I still think Craig deserves some credit. He was made technical advisor for the first two FF movies and he had to fight for his R34 to be in the second movie instead of a Neon SRT. If Craig wasn’t involved, neither would his cars. So yes Craig does deserve his fair share of credit for the price hike.
I've been playing Gran Turismo since the original on ps1. For me, its the R32 that always had my heart. I love the R34, but the R32 is just better imo. And the Supra didn't really catch my attention until the 1st FnF movie, but only as an introduction to it. Never wanted to build one FnF style. I always liked the Redux style, or Top Secret Smokey Nagata style Supras. Did FnF influence current prices? Yes. But I don't think it was a major significance in difference if it hadn't. Like you said, most of us grew up learning about jdm legends before the movies came. The movies, more than anything, was influenced to exist because the jdm tuner scene already existed and was growing big.
I remember playing Gran Tourismo, and one race called for a car class I didn't have. So I found a custom car that I didn't know and soon fell in love with it. Ofcourse I had only the writing on it to tell me what it was. So, before I knew what a Skyline was I always called it a "Tommy Kaira". There begun the GTR obsession.
I remember that model! And you also unlocked a memory for me. I was introduced to Supra before FnF. The GT-500 (JGTC) Castrol Supra! When you said decals, it came to me lol
Like you said, FnF did well because the cars in them were already popular, although they did help make them appeal to a wider audience. The movies themselves didn't influence prices that much or we would have seen prices skyrocket when the movies came out in 2001-2003, instead it's only been the last 5 years that prices have blown up. So what has happened over the last 5 years... social media usage maybe?
You’re damn right they did! I was THIS close to buying a 2001 R34 GT-R from Garage Defend in Japan for $114,000 but I bought a house instead… Good investment but my heart still hurts a bit. 😩
When I was importing my jzx100 chaser the importer I was using to inspect cars was lost for words at some of the prices the chasers were fetching at auction. "They are a cheap drift car" Now days chaser have risen up in popularity that importing a manual one into australia can set you back upwards of $50,000. I believe that exposure from UA-cam has made them more well known and now good old supply and demand has kicked in
Great video. I'm going to be honest, the Fast and Furious did play a big part for me purchasing my Supra. I was 11 years old when I saw that movie, dreamed of owning one since then, and it is still one of my favorite movies to this day. At 29 I bought my 94 LHD turbo 6 speed targa top (targa/sport roof was a must for me) on June of 2019 for $40,000. It's not low mileage (140,000) or one owner anything crazy, but the prices definitely are going up. I'm one that will never sell no matter what the prices go to, just love having it.
Same here bro, except for me it was the FD RX-7 and it was NFS Underground instead (although I still watched & loved F&F around the same time). I managed to snap up an FD last year before the prices got stupid. I'm quite a bit younger too, I bought the FD 2 months before my 25th birthday. Feels surreal to have finally achieved it ❤ The prices are going insane for everything JDM, but like you I don't ever want to sell mine, so the "investment" side of things is futile 😅
Before money printer started going bbbrrrrrrr when COVID started I was actually on track to purchase a R34 GTR through Garage Defend. Of course it was a non-Vspec version, but I was looking at around 70k for the car. By Fall 2020 I pretty much gave up on that plan when they were now going for over 100k.
300ZX is a great alternative if the other two are already out of reach. Had in period accolades every year of its production by the major pubs here in the States…still gorgeous, timeless styling too.
Same for the SC300. Essentially it’s a Supra with a Soarer body and a Lexus interior. Now that everyone knows the early engines are as well built as the TT engines and love boost, the prices are starting to rise.
Did F&F play a role in the rising prices of Supra's and GTR's? Definitely. Was it the sole reason though? Absolutely not. It's a combination of things as Craig and other people have said really. Compared to say DMC DeLoreans, these two cars had something more going for it than appearing in a pop culture media. Mind you, this is coming from some random dude who thinks that they're a bit overrated but i still like them anyways.
Thing is with the DeLorean, the supply did eventually meet the demand. Now don’t quote me on this, but if you look it up, there is a factory in the U.S. that builds them in recent years.
I learned of the gtr on Gran Turismo 1. It was the r33 that I first seen. Same with the fd rx7. My dad had an fb but I had never seen an fd on the road at the time. The movie made me realize how heavy the street racing scene was but it had very little impact on my want and knowledge of the supra and skyline. Like you said gt1 and 2 were out sooner and in my opinion had more of an effect.
@@dawicked2k8 thanks, I bought the first one in 2006 (TT) and held on to it. The second one I bought in 2018, there was a deal on a 5 speed that I couldn’t pass up.
In the UK, try buying a classic Ford. MK1 and 2 Escorts, Sierra Cosworths... they make Supra's look cheap. And, no. They weren't stars in the FnF movies. Like you say Craig, it's just supply and demand. 👍
My freshman year was '98. My best friend and I were completely immersed in the car culture, from Gran Turismo to numerous magazine subscriptions. The MKIV Supra and Third Gen RX-7 were holy grail cars before F&F, the movie just helped cement the legacy. Few other honorable mentions were the E39 M5, E46 M3, 996tt, b5 S4, etc. Amazing period in history to be young and interested in cars. Best days of my life. Still think about them all the time.
For me F&F are why I like these cars. So much of the storyline was wrapped up in the individual cars. Gran Turismo featured so many others mostly eg Mazda Mitsubishi and Honda.
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Merry Christmas happy holidays Craig to you and family and thank you again for all your hard work on Fast and Furious franchise and giving us the cars we love. Also thank you for taking us on supra build too. 🚗 🎄.
TBH is not just Supras and GTRs, any 90's and 00's "tuner" kind of cars are creeping up in value, partly because they're great platforms for young drivers that like to tinker them, partly because media, be games, movies, whatever, have been showing them and making us love them, and finally because they're not that much in nice shape
Something will always be worth what someone's willing to pay. The GPU (graphics cards) market reflects that. Selling for 3 times 4 times msrp because of supply and demand issues. The MK4 is a timeless beautiful car, and not many people own one and don't recognize their value.
I'm in Australia so we've had all the Japanese performance cars for decades. The FD RX-7 sold here was full house spec with all the options plus we had the Australian Showroom Production Racing which comprised of everything from Suzuki Swift to Porsche 968 CS. Most people have never heard of an SP RX-7 which was a homologation race car that Mazda Australia sold to the general public for a mere AU $110,000 with a swag of carbon fiber and upgraded parts that helped the RX-7 beat Porsche in the famous hatrick of wins. The last surviving black car sold for AU $160,000 in 2021. Prices here for FD RX-7s has more than doubled and tripled in recent years. I'm lucky enough to own the very last FD RX-7 sold here new in 1999 (1998 Series VII) which I've had since 2010. It's still sequential turbo and only a handful of mods (I've retained all the original parts) which I hope one day to be recognised as something special.
Shit considering how a 70 charger that was $3500 msrp and now is worth $50k+ id say the inflation values now of supras and gtrs considering their low production numbers are perfectly fair and actually kind of amazing. Also i purchased my 280z because i watched wangan midnight lol
I have the honor of owning two Supra's. Owned a Super Red 4 1993 Supra SZ from 2007 to 2010, bought it for £3500 then modified and done a BPU and converted her to an RZ twin turbo fully loaded running at near 400bhp, had full Bomex body kit, TRD Bonnet, 18' gun metal deep dish OZ alloys, greddy 4 core intercooler, apexi air filter, apexi afc neo, blitz boost controller, custom straight through exhaust system, blitz gauges, tein super street adjustable suspension, tein front and rear strut bars, Momo steering racing wheel, momo pedal from I bought when I went to Japan, it was a beast. Then October 2010 some silly lady forced me to go off the road to avoid her and I went into a concrete central reservation because the lady was too stupid to see me coming as she obstructed the middle of the road and was meant to wait in the side road until I went passed but hey thats a story I want to forget. Fact is cosmetically the red supra I had was written off but I took it to my friends garage stripped everything off it, took time off to recover. I luckily found a Gloss Black Supra SZ a month later for £2k and transfered EVERYTHING that was on the red one into the Black one, so since 2010 I still own the black supra, currently putting on a bodykit consisting of rear Bomex spats, Blitz side skirts and Do-Luck front bumper, looking forward to it all being completed.
Funny thing is nostalgia is real, but I think in a lot of these cars cases it isn't 'just' nostalgia. I had an AP1 S2000 for 8 years, sold it for something boring and safe, just bought another one this past summer with low mileage in mint condition and it is every bit as fun to whip around twisting roads as I remembered them being. I'm sure Supras and Skyline GTRs would likewise still be a blast to have as as a fun weekend car.
I always think of my dad’s 1996 Suzuki GSX-R. It’s absolutely pristine, 100% stock except for K&N filters. I remember going to races and it was impossible to find one of them without a primered race fairing and a cheapo muffler. And that was in 1998.
Craig the reason they say it's the movies fault is because those cars were largely ignored and prices were getting lower and lower, then all the kids who watched the movies and grew up and got their license they all wanted these cars. I called it back in early 2000's after watching the film. Then add in the boom of the tuner scene after the movie and hey presto. As soon as the 15 year rule for Canada and the 25 year rule for the U.S. kicked in that's when I see the prices in Japan starting to sky rocket, and then you have people buying them over there and storing them there until they are old enough to import for however many years when those cars would have come to the UK at a quarter of the price previously. Then add in the illegal u.s. imports that will all be getting crushed soon and we will see the prices rise even more as there will be even fewer cars left.
100% agree, although I'm a bit confused by your numbers, Craig. Your Supra count is US only (1993-1998) but the GTR is the global count? What about the 1998-2002 JDM Supras? I'm curious how they factor in. I do know that with the 25 year rule over there, a lot of our Australian Supras are heading off-shore, which is fine by me as it only makes Aussie Supras more rare (ie: less supply). I just saw a "rare" 2002 Yellow Aero go for about $80k here in Australia. Apparently it was "1 of 1". Anyway, personally I've owned mine since 2005 and I'm not selling it as it's worth more to me than I would ever make selling it anyway. Pretty sure it's the only fully working modified Tiptronic Supra in the world.
The F&F movies sewed the seeds of JDM cars in the people who are buying them now as adults. Just like 60s muscle cars in the 00s, its a bubble. 80s and 90s JDM cars will never be cheap again, but their prices will eventually calm down. I'm hoping that R32 GTST prices become more competitive once more R34s are imported to the US.
I said that to a guy today the first fast and the furious movie started the craze. since the inception of that movie the prices have risen for every import even those two door civics.
There will aways be overhyping in this scene. But it doesnt affect that much. What about old Chargers ? The 69-70s models were famous way before FnF, Dukes of Hazzard so to speak. Its just when a car is good and rare it will always become really expensive.
I bought my red/blk TT auto in April 2004 for $21k, it had 68k. It now has 86k and I did a full v160 conversion including bodywork (tunnel). The getrag cost me $4500 from Japan and came with a hks triple and c's shifter. The diff came from Japan and was$800.....this was 2014 or so. I bought them when the yen was 78/100 ratio and used jesse streeter
Gran Turismo on Ps1, those were the days. My favorite jdm old school cars on there were the soarer and Mark II tourer V. I'm on my second sc300 but I would definitely like to get a Mark II so I understand Craig on the nostalgia comment 100%
It’s like this- everyone says the first F&F movie created the Supra “legend”, but no one asks themselves why exactly the Supra was picked to be the apex tuner car in the movie. Well, it’s because the MKIV was the apex tuner car of the 90’s, definitely in North America and mostly in Japan. Being a participant in the tuner culture- and before 20 inch rims and ridiculous graphic became what defined what tuner culture was- it was about taking the latest import car, usually turbocharged, and seeing how much more power could be exploited. Of the 90’s Japanese sports cars to be rebooted as serious performance machines, the Supra was the last and made a huge impact. Beyond the accolades awarded by mainstream auto publications, magazines like Turbo magazine highlighted just how stout and tunable the MKIV was. Supras were often cover cars and featured heavily, and became the apex platform that everyone wanted. GTRs, R32/33/34s we’re always desired but unobtainable, building their legend here. Beyond that, Supras have their own motor sports history, with JGTC series in Japan and even LeMans entries, as well as American tuners that forged the legend of the 2JZ in drag racing, well before the movie ever came out. Myself, I fell in love with the MKIV after seeing it on the cover of the March 1993 Road & Track, and about eleven years ago I was fortunate enough to buy a low-mileage example for myself.
I remember before F&F you could buy turbo Supra 6 speeds for 9-14k all day long. By comparison that was the price of a 1-2 year old Turbo awd DSM, or Jeep Grand Cherokee v8.
1993 Car And Driver Magazine. When they did they comparison with the C4 Corvette, MK4 A80 Supra, 300ZX, Porsche', 3000GT Also ,Everyone likes to talk about 1993 A80 Supras (which I give credit to the A80 in general. However.). Anyways. Between the Supra A80 Turbo and C4 Corvette, it was CLOSE. The Supra got it beat, however not by much. And on the flipside, while the Corvette in the Price-As-Tested Range was over 41000, the Supra A80's was over 43000. While the Base Price of the C4 Corvette was few thousand dollars LESS (at over 35000) than the Supra's price range of over 40000 dollars.
Honestly I have to agree with you the kids and teens who grow up playing gran tourism, need for speed underground, and watch the first three fast and furious movies eventually grow up and started making money, so know there able to afford the cars that they grew up with
I believe we will hit peak Supra / GTR prices in about 8-10 years. At that point mid 90’s to early 00’s teenagers will be hitting their late 40’s to mid 50’s which will be prime time for mid-life crisis purchases.
I've owned supra's since the 90's so well before F&F here in the uk 🇬🇧 we only got the mk4 in the one model which was the full spec hard top ceramic twin turbo in manual or auto. We have also been lucky to have the gtr model available here
What effect do you think the R34s becoming legal to import in 2024 will have on the values? Same question for the Supra even though they were made here?
I am confused on the supra numbers. There are only 326 Twin-Turbo 6-Speed hardtops made? Are These American lhd numbers or japanese rhd? I actually do own one of these but its a rhd japanese import.( i live in Germany).
The JDM hardtop turbo cars are much more common than the North American ones. I believe Toyota loaded up the Supras for the US with sportsroofs as it was their halo car here, so very few made it here as hardtops.
The Supra Mk 4 was produced until 2002 actually just how the 300ZX Z32 was produced from 1986 to 2000, in Japan of course so any post 1999 Mk4 Supra or 300ZX would be genuine JDM. I think the economy too is a factor. Asia had the 1997 crash and it affected the region with Japan's bubble that's already bursted. People spend less and demands become less so many iconic JDMs were ended production in the 2000's and 2F2F was shot when Nissan rolling out the last remaining R34 GT-Rs from the factory. Production ended nearly 20 years ago, skyrocketing demand and fast dwindling supply, the price will just going up and up and some conmen will take a GTT and covert it into a faux GT-R and con the life savings out of those who couldn't contain the nostalgia.
@@tinystar3010the red one 1 in the prelude, I remember that. Many didn't watch it though, and they introduced the Nissan thats why it didn't get any clout.
Gotta be honest, my love of the supra definatly comes from f&f. I was very young and loved it, but i did already know about the supra from games. I have owned 6 supras, 1 mk2 1 mk3 and 4 mk4s. Currently still have a mk4 and it will not be going anywhere, even has number plates 3NTQ305 on it.
Back when Gran Turismo first came out, I really only knew about american cars, like camaros, vipers, corvettes etc. I kept getting smoked by all of these cars on the game that I had never heard of like the Mitsubishi GTO twin turbo, Supra RZ, RX-7 and the Skyline GT-R V-spec. So I finally saved up enough credits in the game to go into the used dealer and get an R32 GT-R. After a while I had it fully upgraded and I was unstoppable. Because it was fast, and it could corner really well. I had another that was fully upgraded but with the racing modification applied to it. After Gran Turismo my interest in cars largely went to Japanese cars only. So my love for Japanese cars is 100% linked to Gran Turismo. Hell I didn't even know what a flippin' Honda civic was until the first Gran Turismo. I just never paid much attention to them until the game.
I love playing Gran Turismo the first one and Gran Turismo 2. Now be nice to own the Toyota Supra and the Nissan GT-R R34 Skyline. But they're going up in value. My dream car when I play the game was the Mitsubishi Galant VR4. I always want to had a car like that. I remember talking to people about that kind of car and they had no idea what I was talking about is that ever existed the Mitsubishi Galant VR4.
I miss my 94 Supra TT auto rhd. No spoiler, hard top. 135kms. I struggled to sell it around 2019 for $23k CAD. No one wanted them at that time especially auto. The new owner did a manual swap immediately.
The secret to a new movie is get ppl like Adam lz , previous movie actor like James Bond , and tyrese Gibson, and do car culture right in movies with sponsored events around cars with family’s and food to change the narrative around car building as a community idea
I'm not even surprised when these cars got expensive. What I was surprised with was when 80s toyotas got expensive and not just *that* corolla but other cars like SUVs
I kinda wish the sh!t box neon was in the movie now! Well there's cheaper alternatives, and endless cars, that's what made Gran Turismo great. I think you did it a lil bit(De Niro), but it had to happen!
I remember looking at international listings for Supras and Skylines for sale in the early-to-late 00's and seeing mint examples between $20k - $30k. Sad that enthusiast vehicles are out of reach for most, though the reasons are understood. Personally I'd love to have a Ver. V Impreza STI, but even those are inflated in price and disappearing.
Mines DTM but It's like for instance with my BMW E46, the prices keep going up each year due to ricers getting their hands on them and wrecking them or turning them into drift spec, so all your oem or properly modified E46's keep increasing in price, it also depends on what model you have as well, if you have a model like the M3 for instance that's high in demand you're going to pay a lot more, my car is almost up there with Ferrari and Porsche prices, just driving it around I get offers all the time from people trying to buy my car, sorry not for sale, in my opinion the e46's are like the general lees all over again, more get wrecked and less out there the higher the prices, that simple, EDIT: who doesn't want a right-handed Drive Supra, thats culture there.... id rather have one of them with the 6 Speed, Turbo than a automatic 5-speed that is on the left side driving without a turbo.... same would go for an r33 or R34 Skyline it has to be right sided Drive, also I see Graig Lieberman is a man of culture himself showing off Initial D and Gran Turismo
There was actually just a bit over 40000 mk4 supras worldwide, that 11000 is just for the US market which were actually sold there brand new, r34 gtr was never sold in the US brand new so I cannot understand why the price of a locally delivered car (supra) is so over inflated when there was never any need to pay import charges/shipping/taxes, when the 25 year rule is applicable for the mk4 a80 supra there will almost be an over abundance of them to be purchased from Japan unlike the r34 gtr which there will only ever be 11000 or in your estimation 9000 left.
I personally don't feel as if either car is overhyped in any way. They're both unique in their own way & the sheer pedigree that people put them on no matter how any of us got introduced to the cars just goes to show that they still stand the test of time despite their much higher value today. I'm at the very least willing to hunt & purchase a decent condition LHD RZ Supra (Auto/NA model) with the targa top which I wouldn't even begin to doubt is around $40k or more. I'd obviously turbocharge it & put in a manual later down the road but not the V160. There's way better & cheaper options, anyway.
If you have a show and display car now. Once the 25 year rule comes into effect does that mean you can now drive the car as much as you want since it is over the federal 25 year limit?
Not so much, I remember in 2005 you could still get auto TT MKIVs for under $10k Australian landed and delivered. You would have hated us to see how much R34s went for back in those days too, under 20 all day. As the import laws only applied to cars that were being sold new here, the R34s were being bought in as soon as they were in the sale yards in Japan .. Personally I was a R33 guy myself. and only the R32 was sold new here. I remember driving the Supra in Need for Speed 2 , but I probably spent more time listening to the audio descriptions of each car and the (pretty cool for 1997) full motion video sizzle reels though.
I’ve seen one 90s model Supra and have yet to see a R34 but I have seen a R33. the crazy thing is I’ve been all over to several different car shows and yet I’ve only ever seen one mark 4 Supra in my life. I’m sure I’ll run into another one one day or even a R34 but who knows. While I have the desire to own one of these cars I doubt I’ll ever get the chance as by the time I’d have that kind of money they’ll be so expensive and hard to find that even if I somehow got one it wouldn’t be worth doing anything with.
I still think Craig deserves some credit. He was made technical advisor for the first two FF movies and he had to fight for his R34 to be in the second movie instead of a Neon SRT. If Craig wasn’t involved, neither would his cars. So yes Craig does deserve his fair share of credit for the price hike.
Nah fuck him he is the reason they’re so expensive
I've been playing Gran Turismo since the original on ps1. For me, its the R32 that always had my heart. I love the R34, but the R32 is just better imo. And the Supra didn't really catch my attention until the 1st FnF movie, but only as an introduction to it. Never wanted to build one FnF style. I always liked the Redux style, or Top Secret Smokey Nagata style Supras. Did FnF influence current prices? Yes. But I don't think it was a major significance in difference if it hadn't. Like you said, most of us grew up learning about jdm legends before the movies came. The movies, more than anything, was influenced to exist because the jdm tuner scene already existed and was growing big.
I remember playing Gran Tourismo, and one race called for a car class I didn't have. So I found a custom car that I didn't know and soon fell in love with it. Ofcourse I had only the writing on it to tell me what it was. So, before I knew what a Skyline was I always called it a "Tommy Kaira". There begun the GTR obsession.
I remember that model! And you also unlocked a memory for me. I was introduced to Supra before FnF. The GT-500 (JGTC) Castrol Supra! When you said decals, it came to me lol
Also a GT fan but it was the R33 for me.
Need for speed underground 1 and 2 Made me a fan on Skylines. I had them in Gran Turismo 3 but really nfsu made me a fan.
Like you said, FnF did well because the cars in them were already popular, although they did help make them appeal to a wider audience. The movies themselves didn't influence prices that much or we would have seen prices skyrocket when the movies came out in 2001-2003, instead it's only been the last 5 years that prices have blown up. So what has happened over the last 5 years... social media usage maybe?
You’re damn right they did! I was THIS close to buying a 2001 R34 GT-R from Garage Defend in Japan for $114,000 but I bought a house instead…
Good investment but my heart still hurts a bit. 😩
Just Imagine the GTR R34 in Character of Roman Pierce.
ROM: Ya pockets ain't deep !
Also ROM : I see you got lunch money.
@@markoz673bajen8 🤣🤣
I think we both missed out on the same R34 from them :( But I ended up buying a 33 GTR
You can't race a house
You could've bought it, wait for 1.5 years, and get back your money+get the house on top of it
EXACTLY it's YOUR FAULT Craig!
🤣 "damn it craig!!"
Chill Eric Chill man !
So a Mk. IV Supra is basically 4-wheeled Bitcoin. Got it.
Buy Both asap prices are going to skyrocket soon
still decent when modded
When I was importing my jzx100 chaser the importer I was using to inspect cars was lost for words at some of the prices the chasers were fetching at auction. "They are a cheap drift car" Now days chaser have risen up in popularity that importing a manual one into australia can set you back upwards of $50,000. I believe that exposure from UA-cam has made them more well known and now good old supply and demand has kicked in
Yes jxz for the win. Out of ALL the jdm cars I think they look the best.
Initial D : Am I a joke to you? Looks at $30k for a 80's corolla.
If you find an AE86 that cheap... get it.
Great video. I'm going to be honest, the Fast and Furious did play a big part for me purchasing my Supra. I was 11 years old when I saw that movie, dreamed of owning one since then, and it is still one of my favorite movies to this day. At 29 I bought my 94 LHD turbo 6 speed targa top (targa/sport roof was a must for me) on June of 2019 for $40,000. It's not low mileage (140,000) or one owner anything crazy, but the prices definitely are going up. I'm one that will never sell no matter what the prices go to, just love having it.
Same here bro, except for me it was the FD RX-7 and it was NFS Underground instead (although I still watched & loved F&F around the same time). I managed to snap up an FD last year before the prices got stupid. I'm quite a bit younger too, I bought the FD 2 months before my 25th birthday. Feels surreal to have finally achieved it ❤ The prices are going insane for everything JDM, but like you I don't ever want to sell mine, so the "investment" side of things is futile 😅
Before money printer started going bbbrrrrrrr when COVID started I was actually on track to purchase a R34 GTR through Garage Defend. Of course it was a non-Vspec version, but I was looking at around 70k for the car. By Fall 2020 I pretty much gave up on that plan when they were now going for over 100k.
Same here , wanted an r33 gtr but i couldn't see myself paying that much. I went with a viper instead, was also thinking of a 911 turbo
I honestly fell in love with the skyline from the interlude into the 2nd film. Good memories.
300ZX is a great alternative if the other two are already out of reach. Had in period accolades every year of its production by the major pubs here in the States…still gorgeous, timeless styling too.
Same for the SC300. Essentially it’s a Supra with a Soarer body and a Lexus interior. Now that everyone knows the early engines are as well built as the TT engines and love boost, the prices are starting to rise.
Did F&F play a role in the rising prices of Supra's and GTR's? Definitely. Was it the sole reason though? Absolutely not. It's a combination of things as Craig and other people have said really.
Compared to say DMC DeLoreans, these two cars had something more going for it than appearing in a pop culture media. Mind you, this is coming from some random dude who thinks that they're a bit overrated but i still like them anyways.
Thing is with the DeLorean, the supply did eventually meet the demand. Now don’t quote me on this, but if you look it up, there is a factory in the U.S. that builds them in recent years.
I learned of the gtr on Gran Turismo 1. It was the r33 that I first seen. Same with the fd rx7. My dad had an fb but I had never seen an fd on the road at the time. The movie made me realize how heavy the street racing scene was but it had very little impact on my want and knowledge of the supra and skyline. Like you said gt1 and 2 were out sooner and in my opinion had more of an effect.
Desperately trying to find interior parts to fix my basket case Mk4...
That $74k white 6 speed Supra is now on sale for $95k.
I’m glad I held on to my two MKIVs.
2!!! MK4? Wow lucky you
@@dawicked2k8 thanks, I bought the first one in 2006 (TT) and held on to it. The second one I bought in 2018, there was a deal on a 5 speed that I couldn’t pass up.
Retrocade Podcast right on dude, again you make us jealous lol, Godspeed my friend
The old school NSX went up. 10 years ago, you can buy a 93, 94 NSX for $33,000. The same one going for $60,000.
In the UK, try buying a classic Ford. MK1 and 2 Escorts, Sierra Cosworths... they make Supra's look cheap. And, no. They weren't stars in the FnF movies. Like you say Craig, it's just supply and demand. 👍
There was a mk1 escort driven by Paul in a later FnF movie actually, but it didn't really get the movie fandom like earlier movie cars did.
@@tinystar3010 true. The RIP picture of Paul leaning on it is more famous than the car was in the movie.
Grand Turisomo 3 introduced me to the r34 and supra.
When i saw the 34 in 2fast 2furious, I was like NO WAAAYY!!!
My freshman year was '98. My best friend and I were completely immersed in the car culture, from Gran Turismo to numerous magazine subscriptions. The MKIV Supra and Third Gen RX-7 were holy grail cars before F&F, the movie just helped cement the legacy. Few other honorable mentions were the E39 M5, E46 M3, 996tt, b5 S4, etc.
Amazing period in history to be young and interested in cars. Best days of my life. Still think about them all the time.
For me F&F are why I like these cars. So much of the storyline was wrapped up in the individual cars. Gran Turismo featured so many others mostly eg Mazda Mitsubishi and Honda.
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Merry Christmas happy holidays Craig to you and family and thank you again for all your hard work on Fast and Furious franchise and giving us the cars we love. Also thank you for taking us on supra build too. 🚗 🎄.
TBH is not just Supras and GTRs, any 90's and 00's "tuner" kind of cars are creeping up in value, partly because they're great platforms for young drivers that like to tinker them, partly because media, be games, movies, whatever, have been showing them and making us love them, and finally because they're not that much in nice shape
People are saying F&F is the reason? Palease. Otherwise the Eclipse would be a $20k car and 92-95 Civics would be $15k
I KNEW IT!
Shame, Craig. Shame. Also, you're pretty awesome. I remember everyone running around asking what a "2JZ" engine was.
You talked about my country (Venezuela) =) and you are absolutely right
Hey Craig, are those sale numbers only for USDM supras, or is that including Japan?
Love my low mile all original Supra Turbo 6spd - hands down one of the most fun cars to take out on the occasional joy ride.
Something will always be worth what someone's willing to pay. The GPU (graphics cards) market reflects that. Selling for 3 times 4 times msrp because of supply and demand issues. The MK4 is a timeless beautiful car, and not many people own one and don't recognize their value.
*The supra productions numbers is just for the US market though. It's actually closer to 50k in total*
Racing is why I love Skyline R32 and R33
Used to tell myself when I could legally import an r34 gtr I would.. but don't think I'm gonna pay 200k :(
Fun fact in the UK about 3-5 Mk4 Toyota Supra's have been raced in Banger racing (Many Mk3 Supra's get used on a regular basis)
Another great video, Thanks Craig !!!
I'm in Australia so we've had all the Japanese performance cars for decades. The FD RX-7 sold here was full house spec with all the options plus we had the Australian Showroom Production Racing which comprised of everything from Suzuki Swift to Porsche 968 CS.
Most people have never heard of an SP RX-7 which was a homologation race car that Mazda Australia sold to the general public for a mere AU $110,000 with a swag of carbon fiber and upgraded parts that helped the RX-7 beat Porsche in the famous hatrick of wins. The last surviving black car sold for AU $160,000 in 2021. Prices here for FD RX-7s has more than doubled and tripled in recent years.
I'm lucky enough to own the very last FD RX-7 sold here new in 1999 (1998 Series VII) which I've had since 2010. It's still sequential turbo and only a handful of mods (I've retained all the original parts) which I hope one day to be recognised as something special.
Its so crazy that your Supra and Skyline made these so popular and expensive 😅
Shit considering how a 70 charger that was $3500 msrp and now is worth $50k+ id say the inflation values now of supras and gtrs considering their low production numbers are perfectly fair and actually kind of amazing. Also i purchased my 280z because i watched wangan midnight lol
The Calsonic R32GTR in GT2 started my love of the GTR
I have the honor of owning two Supra's. Owned a Super Red 4 1993 Supra SZ from 2007 to 2010, bought it for £3500 then modified and done a BPU and converted her to an RZ twin turbo fully loaded running at near 400bhp, had full Bomex body kit, TRD Bonnet, 18' gun metal deep dish OZ alloys, greddy 4 core intercooler, apexi air filter, apexi afc neo, blitz boost controller, custom straight through exhaust system, blitz gauges, tein super street adjustable suspension, tein front and rear strut bars, Momo steering racing wheel, momo pedal from I bought when I went to Japan, it was a beast.
Then October 2010 some silly lady forced me to go off the road to avoid her and I went into a concrete central reservation because the lady was too stupid to see me coming as she obstructed the middle of the road and was meant to wait in the side road until I went passed but hey thats a story I want to forget.
Fact is cosmetically the red supra I had was written off but I took it to my friends garage stripped everything off it, took time off to recover. I luckily found a Gloss Black Supra SZ a month later for £2k and transfered EVERYTHING that was on the red one into the Black one, so since 2010 I still own the black supra, currently putting on a bodykit consisting of rear Bomex spats, Blitz side skirts and Do-Luck front bumper, looking forward to it all being completed.
Love your channel man
Imagine in an alternative universe if Craig didn't bother to replace the Neon with R34 i wonder how expensive the Neon would be
Funny thing is nostalgia is real, but I think in a lot of these cars cases it isn't 'just' nostalgia. I had an AP1 S2000 for 8 years, sold it for something boring and safe, just bought another one this past summer with low mileage in mint condition and it is every bit as fun to whip around twisting roads as I remembered them being. I'm sure Supras and Skyline GTRs would likewise still be a blast to have as as a fun weekend car.
I always think of my dad’s 1996 Suzuki GSX-R. It’s absolutely pristine, 100% stock except for K&N filters. I remember going to races and it was impossible to find one of them without a primered race fairing and a cheapo muffler. And that was in 1998.
Craig the reason they say it's the movies fault is because those cars were largely ignored and prices were getting lower and lower, then all the kids who watched the movies and grew up and got their license they all wanted these cars.
I called it back in early 2000's after watching the film.
Then add in the boom of the tuner scene after the movie and hey presto.
As soon as the 15 year rule for Canada and the 25 year rule for the U.S. kicked in that's when I see the prices in Japan starting to sky rocket, and then you have people buying them over there and storing them there until they are old enough to import for however many years when those cars would have come to the UK at a quarter of the price previously.
Then add in the illegal u.s. imports that will all be getting crushed soon and we will see the prices rise even more as there will be even fewer cars left.
Gran Turismo is where my love of cars was forged.
I will own a R34.
Hope everyone's day goes/went well.
100% agree, although I'm a bit confused by your numbers, Craig. Your Supra count is US only (1993-1998) but the GTR is the global count? What about the 1998-2002 JDM Supras? I'm curious how they factor in. I do know that with the 25 year rule over there, a lot of our Australian Supras are heading off-shore, which is fine by me as it only makes Aussie Supras more rare (ie: less supply). I just saw a "rare" 2002 Yellow Aero go for about $80k here in Australia. Apparently it was "1 of 1". Anyway, personally I've owned mine since 2005 and I'm not selling it as it's worth more to me than I would ever make selling it anyway. Pretty sure it's the only fully working modified Tiptronic Supra in the world.
I was thinking the same thing on the Supra count.
I think he is using USA numbers are only. There were many more made for Japan.
Just wonder how expensive it would be to convert a rhd to a lhd. Or if it would even be worth it.
Drew Peacock here on youtube has a clean right hand drive MK4 that he’s built on his channel.
The F&F movies sewed the seeds of JDM cars in the people who are buying them now as adults. Just like 60s muscle cars in the 00s, its a bubble. 80s and 90s JDM cars will never be cheap again, but their prices will eventually calm down. I'm hoping that R32 GTST prices become more competitive once more R34s are imported to the US.
Err yes. They have become fabled unicorns that the uninitiated think come with 1000hp stock 🤣
Please, tell us....what's the name of the track toward the end of your video? Thanks. I chose Toyota Supra.
I said that to a guy today the first fast and the furious movie started the craze. since the inception of that movie the prices have risen for every import even those two door civics.
There will aways be overhyping in this scene. But it doesnt affect that much. What about old Chargers ? The 69-70s models were famous way before FnF, Dukes of Hazzard so to speak. Its just when a car is good and rare it will always become really expensive.
My main car in GT2 was actually a black TypeX 180sx. Still love it.
I bought my red/blk TT auto in April 2004 for $21k, it had 68k. It now has 86k and I did a full v160 conversion including bodywork (tunnel). The getrag cost me $4500 from Japan and came with a hks triple and c's shifter. The diff came from Japan and was$800.....this was 2014 or so. I bought them when the yen was 78/100 ratio and used jesse streeter
Gran Turismo on Ps1, those were the days. My favorite jdm old school cars on there were the soarer and Mark II tourer V. I'm on my second sc300 but I would definitely like to get a Mark II so I understand Craig on the nostalgia comment 100%
It’s like this- everyone says the first F&F movie created the Supra “legend”, but no one asks themselves why exactly the Supra was picked to be the apex tuner car in the movie. Well, it’s because the MKIV was the apex tuner car of the 90’s, definitely in North America and mostly in Japan. Being a participant in the tuner culture- and before 20 inch rims and ridiculous graphic became what defined what tuner culture was- it was about taking the latest import car, usually turbocharged, and seeing how much more power could be exploited. Of the 90’s Japanese sports cars to be rebooted as serious performance machines, the Supra was the last and made a huge impact. Beyond the accolades awarded by mainstream auto publications, magazines like Turbo magazine highlighted just how stout and tunable the MKIV was. Supras were often cover cars and featured heavily, and became the apex platform that everyone wanted. GTRs, R32/33/34s we’re always desired but unobtainable, building their legend here. Beyond that, Supras have their own motor sports history, with JGTC series in Japan and even LeMans entries, as well as American tuners that forged the legend of the 2JZ in drag racing, well before the movie ever came out. Myself, I fell in love with the MKIV after seeing it on the cover of the March 1993 Road & Track, and about eleven years ago I was fortunate enough to buy a low-mileage example for myself.
I remember before F&F you could buy turbo Supra 6 speeds for 9-14k all day long. By comparison that was the price of a 1-2 year old Turbo awd DSM, or Jeep Grand Cherokee v8.
Nuclear Skyline.... Now there's a build idea.
4:21 I wish we could know more about the story of that radioactive Nissan Skyline
1993 Car And Driver Magazine.
When they did they comparison with the C4 Corvette, MK4 A80 Supra, 300ZX, Porsche', 3000GT
Also ,Everyone likes to talk about 1993 A80 Supras (which I give credit to the A80 in general. However.).
Anyways.
Between the Supra A80 Turbo and C4 Corvette, it was CLOSE.
The Supra got it beat, however not by much. And on the flipside, while the Corvette in the Price-As-Tested Range was over 41000, the Supra A80's was over 43000.
While the Base Price of the C4 Corvette was few thousand dollars LESS (at over 35000) than the Supra's price range of over 40000 dollars.
Honestly I have to agree with you the kids and teens who grow up playing gran tourism, need for speed underground, and watch the first three fast and furious movies eventually grow up and started making money, so know there able to afford the cars that they grew up with
Remember when a MK4 Supra was only worth 25k? It wasn't that long ago. Crazy prices
This guy has seen/been through a lot. What a legend
I believe we will hit peak Supra / GTR prices in about 8-10 years. At that point mid 90’s to early 00’s teenagers will be hitting their late 40’s to mid 50’s which will be prime time for mid-life crisis purchases.
I've owned supra's since the 90's so well before F&F here in the uk 🇬🇧 we only got the mk4 in the one model which was the full spec hard top ceramic twin turbo in manual or auto.
We have also been lucky to have the gtr model available here
What effect do you think the R34s becoming legal to import in 2024 will have on the values? Same question for the Supra even though they were made here?
I am confused on the supra numbers. There are only 326 Twin-Turbo 6-Speed hardtops made? Are These American lhd numbers or japanese rhd? I actually do own one of these but its a rhd japanese import.( i live in Germany).
The JDM hardtop turbo cars are much more common than the North American ones. I believe Toyota loaded up the Supras for the US with sportsroofs as it was their halo car here, so very few made it here as hardtops.
UA-cam is the reason for the high prices. I CALL OT THE UA-cam TAX
Project Gotham Racing 2 had the Nissan Skyline GTR & Toyota Supra for a race in the Demo & Final version of the game
Even in Forza
The Supra Mk 4 was produced until 2002 actually just how the 300ZX Z32 was produced from 1986 to 2000, in Japan of course so any post 1999 Mk4 Supra or 300ZX would be genuine JDM. I think the economy too is a factor. Asia had the 1997 crash and it affected the region with Japan's bubble that's already bursted. People spend less and demands become less so many iconic JDMs were ended production in the 2000's and 2F2F was shot when Nissan rolling out the last remaining R34 GT-Rs from the factory. Production ended nearly 20 years ago, skyrocketing demand and fast dwindling supply, the price will just going up and up and some conmen will take a GTT and covert it into a faux GT-R and con the life savings out of those who couldn't contain the nostalgia.
Z32 was produced 1989-2000 in Japan. Only 1990-1996 for USA.
Glad guys didn't use the 3000gt VR4 for the movie. Its bad enough getting parts for them and running reliably.
I just helped my friend pull the engine on his, it'll be interesting to see how he gets his rebuilt
See also the not so common Dodge Stealth in various engines.
They kinda did.... When 2f2f was being made, they decided to make a prequel story of how Brian moved to miami and in the prequel he drove a 3000GT.
@@tinystar3010the red one 1 in the prelude, I remember that. Many didn't watch it though, and they introduced the Nissan thats why it didn't get any clout.
@@bullhammer59 that's awesome good luck with the build.
Gotta be honest, my love of the supra definatly comes from f&f. I was very young and loved it, but i did already know about the supra from games.
I have owned 6 supras, 1 mk2 1 mk3 and 4 mk4s. Currently still have a mk4 and it will not be going anywhere, even has number plates 3NTQ305 on it.
The Gran Turismo game is responsible for the demand, but The Fast & The Furious movies hit the turbo boost.
Absolute Facts! 💯
Back when Gran Turismo first came out, I really only knew about american cars, like camaros, vipers, corvettes etc. I kept getting smoked by all of these cars on the game that I had never heard of like the Mitsubishi GTO twin turbo, Supra RZ, RX-7 and the Skyline GT-R V-spec. So I finally saved up enough credits in the game to go into the used dealer and get an R32 GT-R. After a while I had it fully upgraded and I was unstoppable. Because it was fast, and it could corner really well. I had another that was fully upgraded but with the racing modification applied to it. After Gran Turismo my interest in cars largely went to Japanese cars only. So my love for Japanese cars is 100% linked to Gran Turismo. Hell I didn't even know what a flippin' Honda civic was until the first Gran Turismo. I just never paid much attention to them until the game.
Another really hard car to find is a Shelby GT 500 from 1969 to 1970
I love playing Gran Turismo the first one and Gran Turismo 2. Now be nice to own the Toyota Supra and the Nissan GT-R R34 Skyline. But they're going up in value. My dream car when I play the game was the Mitsubishi Galant VR4. I always want to had a car like that. I remember talking to people about that kind of car and they had no idea what I was talking about is that ever existed the Mitsubishi Galant VR4.
Honestly it was because of The Fast and the Furious that I fell in love with JDM cars
For me it was Gran Turismo, the MK3 Supra was my first love and 300zx TT.
Forza is way better
I miss my 94 Supra TT auto rhd. No spoiler, hard top. 135kms. I struggled to sell it around 2019 for $23k CAD. No one wanted them at that time especially auto. The new owner did a manual swap immediately.
The secret to a new movie is get ppl like Adam lz , previous movie actor like James Bond , and tyrese Gibson, and do car culture right in movies with sponsored events around cars with family’s and food to change the narrative around car building as a community idea
I'm not even surprised when these cars got expensive. What I was surprised with was when 80s toyotas got expensive and not just *that* corolla but other cars like SUVs
Yeah, the 4Runner I think? Low mileage 1998 model, i believe, sold for over 100k. I was surprised too.
@@tinystar3010 along with the celica l300 thats been getting imported a lot
I remember when I was 17/18 an R34 was about £22-£28k and now im 25 they are like £100k
Man I would love to see a 1 million mile Supra and see how much it will sell for
I kinda wish the sh!t box neon was in the movie now! Well there's cheaper alternatives, and endless cars, that's what made Gran Turismo great. I think you did it a lil bit(De Niro), but it had to happen!
I love your animated head
I remember looking at international listings for Supras and Skylines for sale in the early-to-late 00's and seeing mint examples between $20k - $30k. Sad that enthusiast vehicles are out of reach for most, though the reasons are understood. Personally I'd love to have a Ver. V Impreza STI, but even those are inflated in price and disappearing.
Dammit Craig, it's all your fault! Do the same for Red 2015 Challengers now!
I just watched the first fast and furious and damn if it doesn’t have the same exact story line as point break. Was enjoyable though!
Honda brought 64,000 S2000s to the USA. So really puts in perspective how many Supras there are out there
The S2000 is a sweet car ngl. Might get one someday if they're still within reason.
It's the people on UA-cam driving up the prices of these cars
Mines DTM but It's like for instance with my BMW E46, the prices keep going up each year due to ricers getting their hands on them and wrecking them or turning them into drift spec, so all your oem or properly modified E46's keep increasing in price, it also depends on what model you have as well, if you have a model like the M3 for instance that's high in demand you're going to pay a lot more, my car is almost up there with Ferrari and Porsche prices, just driving it around I get offers all the time from people trying to buy my car, sorry not for sale, in my opinion the e46's are like the general lees all over again, more get wrecked and less out there the higher the prices, that simple, EDIT: who doesn't want a right-handed Drive Supra, thats culture there.... id rather have one of them with the 6 Speed, Turbo than a automatic 5-speed that is on the left side driving without a turbo.... same would go for an r33 or R34 Skyline it has to be right sided Drive, also I see Graig Lieberman is a man of culture himself showing off Initial D and Gran Turismo
There was actually just a bit over 40000 mk4 supras worldwide, that 11000 is just for the US market which were actually sold there brand new, r34 gtr was never sold in the US brand new so I cannot understand why the price of a locally delivered car (supra) is so over inflated when there was never any need to pay import charges/shipping/taxes, when the 25 year rule is applicable for the mk4 a80 supra there will almost be an over abundance of them to be purchased from Japan unlike the r34 gtr which there will only ever be 11000 or in your estimation 9000 left.
I personally don't feel as if either car is overhyped in any way. They're both unique in their own way & the sheer pedigree that people put them on no matter how any of us got introduced to the cars just goes to show that they still stand the test of time despite their much higher value today. I'm at the very least willing to hunt & purchase a decent condition LHD RZ Supra (Auto/NA model) with the targa top which I wouldn't even begin to doubt is around $40k or more. I'd obviously turbocharge it & put in a manual later down the road but not the V160. There's way better & cheaper options, anyway.
I would've bought a Corvette vs a supra in those days
Sooo expensive now have to be rich to have them now
If you have a show and display car now. Once the 25 year rule comes into effect does that mean you can now drive the car as much as you want since it is over the federal 25 year limit?
Not so much, I remember in 2005 you could still get auto TT MKIVs for under $10k Australian landed and delivered. You would have hated us to see how much R34s went for back in those days too, under 20 all day. As the import laws only applied to cars that were being sold new here, the R34s were being bought in as soon as they were in the sale yards in Japan .. Personally I was a R33 guy myself. and only the R32 was sold new here. I remember driving the Supra in Need for Speed 2 , but I probably spent more time listening to the audio descriptions of each car and the (pretty cool for 1997) full motion video sizzle reels though.
great market recap.
I’ve seen one 90s model Supra and have yet to see a R34 but I have seen a R33. the crazy thing is I’ve been all over to several different car shows and yet I’ve only ever seen one mark 4 Supra in my life. I’m sure I’ll run into another one one day or even a R34 but who knows. While I have the desire to own one of these cars I doubt I’ll ever get the chance as by the time I’d have that kind of money they’ll be so expensive and hard to find that even if I somehow got one it wouldn’t be worth doing anything with.
I like skyline's but I also like targa tops