thank goodness Paul Sligh and Jay Schneider showed up a few months later and showed players how to get games over with by tapping mountains ...starting with me in round 1 of Sligh's breakout PTQ.
@58:54 Geddon was my favorite card back in the day. I remember hearing Kai Buddhe won a PT once by uttering the word "Gotterdammerung" (The German translation of the card Armageddon) and I just thought it sounded so cool.
yall are hilarious. the hand motions and shorthand, its so funny. love it. just a couple of old friends whove been playing this game for a long time ;)
1:50:15 There was something so sincere of Ced here!😂 His "Oh yeah, you *help,* you help." It was like 2 bros at a table and one of them is like, "No, no, this is a team effort. You and me, library and grove, we're a team. Let's get decked, boi."
I watched the VHS tape of this tournament until the wheels fell out of the cartridge. Lestree has some of the greatest quotes ever on that tape. (It’s on UA-cam now) His interview after playing Hammer was great, “he just kept talking… talk, talk, talking talking…” 😂
Fun nostalgia trip here. I think a neat side project for these early events in particular would be to see revised and streamlined decklists, devised using modern Magical sensibilities. So much fun chaff to be cut...
finkle's just had an unreal win loss record even in the hardest events. And his numbers include when he was mostly playing poker but utilizing his free pro tour invites. Just an amazing mind.
53:30 That's a zero mana cost Swords to Plowshares! Also this is good for the algorithm :) also I don't know if commenting about the algorithm is good for the algorithm lol.
Aw man, this was a big nostalgia flashback, especially seeing Shawn "Hammer" Reigner briefly. I shopped at his comic store around 95-96. I was kind of intimidated by the MTG scene there--everyone seemed so good and I was a super casual player.
I like how it’s mentioned that the 5 card per set rule was applied only for this event. For some reason I often see it remembered as though that deck construction rule was in place for like months. Usually that’s combined with any explanation why any Homelands cards were played. It’s just hard to accept that Spectral Bears or Serrated Arrows were actually decent cards in that time.
Spectral Bears and especially Serrated Arrows were very good against Necro, and passable in the mirror. As far as Homelands cards go they were among the best.
@s1130if you look at these games it doesnt look like it terribly matters if stuff happens this or next turn. but in a deck with millstone that does look diffrent.
No contest best magic content made in at least a decade. No matter where magic is or where its going i had a window of some of the most fun a game has ever given me, magic wasnt balanced and maybe not fair but it wasn't mapped out and pre built, it was more artistic and open to creativity then the prebuilt obsolescence we get thrown at us now
In 1996 I believe I played my first game of mtg, under the dubious tutelage of a friend. Not long after we were FNM regulars. I remember opening a Mirage starter deck for Christmas that year and clearly remember how cool Dirtwater Wraith looked. I played mtg for 10 years, never went to an event that wasn't just my friends or FNM. I stopped when I went to college and moved away from my local game group.
I'm old enough to remember Lestree. I remember reading the article for both this and the first Wrold Championships on Scrye and he just stood out. I even remember some specific plays from the World Championships (like tutoring for Lotus to Mind Twist for two).
I love these episodes so much! One thing I think might be interesting is to know how many of these players were later caught cheating, because I’m like, vaguely aware of how bad it was back then but I really barely know the history of all that
I love this series and I love that you play with period correct cards. I didnt start playing until 98, but I still get nostalga seeing them. Some of these decks must cost more than cars do 😂 esepcially if those are alpha cards (hard for me to tell at distance if they're alpha or beta, great either way)
It is kind of weird that because of pure stat counting we didn't get this Bertrand Lestree guy into the HoF. Sounds like he is the Honus Wagner of Magic or something.
This was excellent. As bad as these decks are by modern standards, I was entertained by your commitment to use the applicable versions of each card as would have been available at the time... and the fact that this resulted in these terrible decks being worth thousands of dollars a piece 🤣🤣🤣
@@Zarbon000 I was actually competitive Yugioh player, never a competitive magic one, i didn't even get into MTG at all until tuning in for SCG coverage out of curiosity to follow "the other game" a little and hearing these guys in the booth lol
@@Zarbon000 i remember RTR and innistrad, but i was still going hard at YGO events around then. I do think those sets were great, especially in hindsight, i dont think than a lot of the stuff that came later. Theros. ixalan. The one with the giant monsters. Etc, those dont seem to hit the same as Innistrad. Throne of Eldraine i watched a lot and followed mtg more, and played it. I also liked Strixhaven, Kamigawa neon dynasty, and war of the spark. amonkhet. These days i still play YGO or sometimes magic events, but not that much either. I've always really enjoyed following what competitive MTG players think though. Since I never played at that level in magic, unlike YGO. And these guys are my favorite
Hey kind sir or whomsoever answer this, who got the paper life counter with Jester's cap? Top 16 or top 8? I was told top 16. I have 1 in decent condition & I was told probably the best condition one remaining around. Thank you.
Love these guys so much haha, kinda funny that Pat would have likely won game 4 if he'd realized you only have to pay 1 to filter blue on the school, could have countered ernie, what a weird land haha.
Hey Cedric, what was that game store that used to be in Chagrin Falls called? There was many a Junior Super Series there I think it was something like Game Traders but I can't remember honestly
Patrick Sullivan is not correct regarding there not being deck types in 1994 and 1995. Deckbuilding simply wasn’t as advanced elsewhere and neither was card supply. However in the Los Angeles/Orange County areas, where we had thousands of legit players and dozens of well stocked dealers, the meta was quite robust. Decks coming out of LA were major factors in deciding what cards would go on the Reserved List at that time and it could be said that even The Deck was developed in Southern California.
very weird that the "Jund" deck played Ernahm Djinn when they might as well play Juzam Djinn. which looks pretty healthy in a metagame where Ernham is already good.
This tournament was the beginning of all major MTG tournaments being well documented. Kind of sad really, because the entire 93-95 era was not and that era by far is the most storied.
I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but seeing some of these old decklists with that much LD and that few lands makes me... suspicious. As unreasonable as it may seem to suspect the *unimpeachable* integrity of the mid-late 90's Magic player, I fear you may not have played these games entirely "accurately". Much like period appropriate all-American heroes Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire, some of these numbers may make more sense with the involvement of a Balanced Breakfast. Like, you mentioned the decks being better if the SB's were just 15 basics, but maybe they were just keeping a few basics in the other *other* sideboard, you know?
Everyone else is all nostalgic and I spent all of game 1 thinking who the heck wore #15? And then it finally hit me. Tommy "Cutlets" isn't in the old jersey database yet, too new.
Patrick and I have a fundamentally different view on magic here. When armageddon resolves, some players (such as patrick) want the game to end. For me, if I am playing control and something so devastating resolves, only then does my blood start pumping. I love the fight to claw back from the edge, I love that there are decks all about defense that often have games where all they do is claw back from the edge because it isn't ever over until the life total drops to 0. Being at one life and counterspelling a llanowar elf fills me with glee. There's something amazing about getting hit with a haymaker and still holding on that I love, even if I lose. Every turn is a razor's edge, and sometimes it's enough, and that possibility of winning after making the best of a bad situation turn after turn after turn is sooo rewarding. The reason to play wraths isn't the games where the midrange opponent plays a 4-drop and then loses with a hand full of removal, it's the games where the aggro player gets you to 1 life and then you have seven turns of not knowing who wins. What I want from magic are games where I nearly die multiple times, never attack with anything larger than a 2/1, and then have my opponent concede.
Lol, Cedric what you are feeling is nostalgia... Not fun... Imagine if youve never heard of MTG before. You're friend says, Dood, I want to show you this awesome new game! It's so fun. And he takes you over to his house. And you watch this game take place between him and his brother. Lol, you would have never become the Cedric Phillips we know and love! It would have been over! Just us old heads think this is cool, and nostalgic.
thank goodness Paul Sligh and Jay Schneider showed up a few months later and showed players how to get games over with by tapping mountains
...starting with me in round 1 of Sligh's breakout PTQ.
Your username makes this
@@targetplayer Mono red mana curve existed way before Sligh.
you may think you enjoy playing with Fountain of Youth, but you do not enjoy it as much as I do
i see repeatable lifegain and black out in a rage and wake up the next day surrounded by half-eaten cards, so i’ll take your word for it
Why did you sideboard them out then, traitor. ;-)
You may think you enjoy watching Patrick play with Fountain of Youth, but you do not enjoy it as much as I do
Slurp
Table for 2, time to take a drink
Love these episodes. Would love to see you do some gameplay videos where you build your own deck with the cards available during this time.
Obviously a big ask but that's a sweet idea. Maybe they could do it just for the Worlds episodes
@58:54 Geddon was my favorite card back in the day. I remember hearing Kai Buddhe won a PT once by uttering the word "Gotterdammerung" (The German translation of the card Armageddon) and I just thought it sounded so cool.
yall are hilarious. the hand motions and shorthand, its so funny. love it. just a couple of old friends whove been playing this game for a long time ;)
1:50:15 There was something so sincere of Ced here!😂
His "Oh yeah, you *help,* you help."
It was like 2 bros at a table and one of them is like, "No, no, this is a team effort. You and me, library and grove, we're a team. Let's get decked, boi."
I watched the VHS tape of this tournament until the wheels fell out of the cartridge. Lestree has some of the greatest quotes ever on that tape. (It’s on UA-cam now) His interview after playing Hammer was great, “he just kept talking… talk, talk, talking talking…” 😂
The stormbind story made me beam with joy.
Fun nostalgia trip here. I think a neat side project for these early events in particular would be to see revised and streamlined decklists, devised using modern Magical sensibilities. So much fun chaff to be cut...
finkle's just had an unreal win loss record even in the hardest events. And his numbers include when he was mostly playing poker but utilizing his free pro tour invites. Just an amazing mind.
Really like the gameplay part of these episodes
man these old decks play like pulling teeth. i love it
53:30 That's a zero mana cost Swords to Plowshares!
Also this is good for the algorithm :) also I don't know if commenting about the algorithm is good for the algorithm lol.
this was so much better than the prison mirror last time lol
1:26:00 was a great moment! I was waiting for that and it was sick
Aw man, this was a big nostalgia flashback, especially seeing Shawn "Hammer" Reigner briefly. I shopped at his comic store around 95-96. I was kind of intimidated by the MTG scene there--everyone seemed so good and I was a super casual player.
Manchvegas babyyy
I like how it’s mentioned that the 5 card per set rule was applied only for this event. For some reason I often see it remembered as though that deck construction rule was in place for like months.
Usually that’s combined with any explanation why any Homelands cards were played. It’s just hard to accept that Spectral Bears or Serrated Arrows were actually decent cards in that time.
Spectral Bears and especially Serrated Arrows were very good against Necro, and passable in the mirror. As far as Homelands cards go they were among the best.
It still bogles my mind that Memory Lapse was first printed in Homelands, but the MtG concept of tempo wasn't yet understood.
@s1130if you look at these games it doesnt look like it terribly matters if stuff happens this or next turn. but in a deck with millstone that does look diffrent.
11:49 Elaine Chase sighting! This is 3 years before she even started working for WotC.
No contest best magic content made in at least a decade. No matter where magic is or where its going i had a window of some of the most fun a game has ever given me, magic wasnt balanced and maybe not fair but it wasn't mapped out and pre built, it was more artistic and open to creativity then the prebuilt obsolescence we get thrown at us now
Great to see you guys back working together on camera
The Tournament Edition episodes have all been good, but this one in particular was a treat
I am so glad as Eu player to see how lost I was at ice age-mirage compared to NA. I can finally rest my frantic case. :D
In 1996 I believe I played my first game of mtg, under the dubious tutelage of a friend. Not long after we were FNM regulars. I remember opening a Mirage starter deck for Christmas that year and clearly remember how cool Dirtwater Wraith looked. I played mtg for 10 years, never went to an event that wasn't just my friends or FNM. I stopped when I went to college and moved away from my local game group.
I'm old enough to remember Lestree. I remember reading the article for both this and the first Wrold Championships on Scrye and he just stood out. I even remember some specific plays from the World Championships (like tutoring for Lotus to Mind Twist for two).
Great Content, keep it up 😊
I love these episodes so much! One thing I think might be interesting is to know how many of these players were later caught cheating, because I’m like, vaguely aware of how bad it was back then but I really barely know the history of all that
I love this series and I love that you play with period correct cards. I didnt start playing until 98, but I still get nostalga seeing them. Some of these decks must cost more than cars do 😂 esepcially if those are alpha cards (hard for me to tell at distance if they're alpha or beta, great either way)
It is kind of weird that because of pure stat counting we didn't get this Bertrand Lestree guy into the HoF. Sounds like he is the Honus Wagner of Magic or something.
I loved playing my uncles ernhamgheddon deck. I couldn’t afford the rares at 15. He eventually swapped in the trampling Ants from Alliances.
Gosh, I just love listening to ya'll nerd out.
1:38:00 Patrick, why Serrated Arrows and not Control Magic on the Ernie?
This was excellent. As bad as these decks are by modern standards, I was entertained by your commitment to use the applicable versions of each card as would have been available at the time... and the fact that this resulted in these terrible decks being worth thousands of dollars a piece 🤣🤣🤣
Once we get to 1998 i can finally be alive for some of these events
Ah, a newer Magic player 😂
@@Zarbon000 I was actually competitive Yugioh player, never a competitive magic one, i didn't even get into MTG at all until tuning in for SCG coverage out of curiosity to follow "the other game" a little and hearing these guys in the booth lol
@@ExtraVictory I was just joking. But yea the game is Old now lol. When did you get in Return to Ravnica and Innistrad was a great time to get in.
@@Zarbon000 i remember RTR and innistrad, but i was still going hard at YGO events around then. I do think those sets were great, especially in hindsight, i dont think than a lot of the stuff that came later. Theros. ixalan. The one with the giant monsters. Etc, those dont seem to hit the same as Innistrad. Throne of Eldraine i watched a lot and followed mtg more, and played it. I also liked Strixhaven, Kamigawa neon dynasty, and war of the spark. amonkhet. These days i still play YGO or sometimes magic events, but not that much either. I've always really enjoyed following what competitive MTG players think though. Since I never played at that level in magic, unlike YGO. And these guys are my favorite
This tournament was supposed to be a top 8 of all Necropotence. Instead it’s all rogue decks that were strong against Necro and viable on their own.
I think this might have been before everyone had realized how busted Necropotence is, the Stockholm players had figured it out.
@ All of Los Angeles and Orange County was playing Necropotence. We invented the deck.
Funny fact that this video was uploaded on the 15. Feb and the the Tournament was held on the 17th and 18th February 😅 nearly exactly 30 years
Just 2 years off 😉
Man I drove past where they used to hold SCG Worcester literally yesterday, miss it so much bro
Fountain of youth comes with bonus cheeky flavor text
i also played JSS back then and remember 1:38:45 G/W "Junk" or blastogeddon. Armadillo cloak and river boa shut decks down back then!
Hey kind sir or whomsoever answer this, who got the paper life counter with Jester's cap? Top 16 or top 8? I was told top 16. I have 1 in decent condition & I was told probably the best condition one remaining around. Thank you.
Love these guys so much haha, kinda funny that Pat would have likely won game 4 if he'd realized you only have to pay 1 to filter blue on the school, could have countered ernie, what a weird land haha.
Hey Cedric, what was that game store that used to be in Chagrin Falls called? There was many a Junior Super Series there I think it was something like Game Traders but I can't remember honestly
(Cedric) Game Trader with a Marco’s Pizza next door 😊
9:50 also Black Vise is insane with everyone drawing on the first turn and OG mulligan rules.
Love it!
my body is ready for this action!! Will it be better than land tax triggering??? who knows!!!
I suggest the extended format - 1997 pro tour Chicago
Randy’s necro vs, Jon finkels prison.
Patrick Sullivan is not correct regarding there not being deck types in 1994 and 1995. Deckbuilding simply wasn’t as advanced elsewhere and neither was card supply. However in the Los Angeles/Orange County areas, where we had thousands of legit players and dozens of well stocked dealers, the meta was quite robust. Decks coming out of LA were major factors in deciding what cards would go on the Reserved List at that time and it could be said that even The Deck was developed in Southern California.
very weird that the "Jund" deck played Ernahm Djinn when they might as well play Juzam Djinn. which looks pretty healthy in a metagame where Ernham is already good.
Isn't it weird that nobody in the tournament played cards from Arabian Nights?
Gold border cards are fully legal in Old School.
Thanks for another set of great games. Did it look like agnoy to play? Yes. Was it a fun watch yes? Also yes.
54:50 "Bear down for midterms."
What is the lore on Worcester :D
Here's a random question that's off topic. Will you guys be doing reviews for commander sets, or are you sticking to standard formats?
Stay tuned to find out
This tournament was the beginning of all major MTG tournaments being well documented. Kind of sad really, because the entire 93-95 era was not and that era by far is the most storied.
Time to Roll out the stones
🎉 1:49:20 dandan.. but millstone is the only win con… ❤❤
Is Patrick wearing a Tommy Devito jersey? If so that is the most NJ thing ever and it is awesome.
those pro tour decks were so fun to playing kitchen table.
12k inflation corrected to nowadays currency is roghly 24,5 k dollars
I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but seeing some of these old decklists with that much LD and that few lands makes me... suspicious. As unreasonable as it may seem to suspect the *unimpeachable* integrity of the mid-late 90's Magic player, I fear you may not have played these games entirely "accurately". Much like period appropriate all-American heroes Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire, some of these numbers may make more sense with the involvement of a Balanced Breakfast.
Like, you mentioned the decks being better if the SB's were just 15 basics, but maybe they were just keeping a few basics in the other *other* sideboard, you know?
Wait. Is "pro tour" short for "professional tournament"???
sweet episode! Is there anything you can do about the audio levels on card flicking? It's just a little loud compared to voices
LOL wizards finally found a way to print a different back that they didn't have to shitcan 😄
I tell ya, sometimes you just need a good 'Geddon Game to give yourself some perspective.
It could always be worse, they could always draw 'Geddon #2
Everyone else is all nostalgic and I spent all of game 1 thinking who the heck wore #15? And then it finally hit me. Tommy "Cutlets" isn't in the old jersey database yet, too new.
Patrick and I have a fundamentally different view on magic here. When armageddon resolves, some players (such as patrick) want the game to end. For me, if I am playing control and something so devastating resolves, only then does my blood start pumping. I love the fight to claw back from the edge, I love that there are decks all about defense that often have games where all they do is claw back from the edge because it isn't ever over until the life total drops to 0. Being at one life and counterspelling a llanowar elf fills me with glee. There's something amazing about getting hit with a haymaker and still holding on that I love, even if I lose. Every turn is a razor's edge, and sometimes it's enough, and that possibility of winning after making the best of a bad situation turn after turn after turn is sooo rewarding. The reason to play wraths isn't the games where the midrange opponent plays a 4-drop and then loses with a hand full of removal, it's the games where the aggro player gets you to 1 life and then you have seven turns of not knowing who wins.
What I want from magic are games where I nearly die multiple times, never attack with anything larger than a 2/1, and then have my opponent concede.
Bro didnt pay W for the swords... (53:28)
Lol, Cedric what you are feeling is nostalgia... Not fun...
Imagine if youve never heard of MTG before. You're friend says, Dood, I want to show you this awesome new game! It's so fun. And he takes you over to his house. And you watch this game take place between him and his brother. Lol, you would have never become the Cedric Phillips we know and love! It would have been over! Just us old heads think this is cool, and nostalgic.
Leitbur is pronounced Light-Burr, as followers of the order would be Leitburites. One of those goofy early Magic name jokes.
Hate modern deck naming. It's Erhnamgeddon. End of story.
Watching in 2024.