Magic in 1997 Was Truly Something Else | Green Stompy vs UWR Speed Control
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2023
- We invited special guest Frank Karsten to play the cards that first introduced him to the game, the 1997 World Championship Top4 decks! Watch to find out just how much worse the creatures were than the spells!
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Lightning angel prophetic bolt goblin trenches man oh man what a set apocalypse was!!!
Ohhhh this was the older then I thought😂
I like how Frank was genuinely excited to "combo" Rogue Elephant with Harvest Wurm. It's such a derpy strategy hahaha
yeah, he looked truly happy :)
Been there back in the day! ahaha Also the other "combo" is Quirion Ranger with Winter Orb or Spectral Bears
I immediately came up with that combo myself after opening the booster display. I was so keen on seeing it work.
Unfortunately it wasn’t very reliable.
Btw. If I remember correctly Spectral Bears and Whirling Dervish were in Green Stompy to compete with Necropotence decks.
I feel like I'm going insane why didn't he use the three mana he had available from Quinton ranger to cast both of them on the same turn
lmao same it must've been a misplay @@asdfghjkl3669
That green deck is so creative, using the downsides of the creatures to play around the winter orb is so cool to see. I love seeing throwback standard games.
Frank is an incredible guest, CardMarket is an incredible organization and group of people. Keep up the great work and great videos.
Rogue Elephant into Harvest Wurm was my first Pauper deck :) The whole Mirage block has some of the best art, flavor, and feel in MTG ever.
Fantastic! Love seeing these historic decks and standard formats face off. Like you said it’s so hard to find old coverage videos and just imagining how they’d play from reading deck lists isn’t nearly as fun as this!
I’d love to see more of these videos
That was really exciting, can we get more of these for us newer players to see some of the old classic matchups?
We'll happily do more :) I was so thrilled the whole time editing this, and I didn't even play back then
Agreed those historic championship match-ups are super interesting and would love to see more of it as well.
@@CardmarketMagic tbh you could make a series on the Premodern for this
Wotc made these as world championship decks for 1997 and for 8 other years in gold borders, they were amazing and so fun to play still.
We show their price at the end of the video though 😅 they are quite expensive now because they are so rare that they are collectibles in themselves! Frank suggested we buy them for the video and we realized we don't really have the budget 💰
@@CardmarketMagic Way back when we were first introduced to Magic in '98 my friend bought jakub slemr deck (black-based aggro) and janosch kuhn deck (uwr deck featured in the vid) and then later ben rubin (red sui-sleigh). However, the most annoying one(s) to play against and cause many newbies to jump on the island hater train was donais 5c (not a world champ iirc) and 'the dominator' which is a mono blue preconstructed deck from exodus.
@@CardmarketMagic Funny...I made it a point to buy them all before the pandemic. Along with the Pro Tour Collector set from 1996.
Your production quality is the best I've seen ever for 1v1 magic
I'm glad you guys are back can't I can't wait for more videos
I legit popped when frank got the damage on the stack ruling correct. What a magic gangsta
Why was frenetic efreet even played in the deck at the time then? Just to potentially survive removal?
@@AAGEnzee not gonna lie... I don't know...
@@marklehman5272 could you declare it as a blocker and phase it out before damage and the creature was still 'blocked' and did no damage (unless it had trample, of course)? I honestly can't remember the rules back then, even though I technically played I was pretty young. I just remember frenetic being strong for some reason. I know wildfire efreet was strong cause it survived bolt and swords, two of the best removal spells during that era.
@@AAGEnzee Mostly yeah. First, a 3 mana 2/1 flier was a decent rate at the time, but it also had a really annoying version of sudo-hexproof/indestructible. Your opponent still had to spend the card on it, there was just a 50% chance that it would still survive so your opponent either had to just deal with it being around or be willing to possibly throw multiple cards away in order to deal with it and there are stories of people winning like 3 flips in a row with it. It even can get around things like Wrath of God.
Its not so great against Stompy, which doesn't have any targeted removal, since it's not a great blocker.
@@porgy29 yea ok, it's slowly coming back to me. It's a hard to deal with threat for a control deck, it just looked really bad in this matchup, but stompy wasn't really a meta defining deck for very long. It popped up sometimes, but UWR control was viable for awhile iirc. So like..in a control mirror, or against things with lots of removal, it could close out a game.
Karsten is a great guest he looks so passionate about the whole game!
You guys took the time and effort to animate snow flakes falling when the outpost was played. Such level for details makes your channel great. Oh and Toffel of course
Love Frank Karsten as a guest, he is really pleasant to listen to. Great matchup too, thanks for the vid.
This makes me want to build a collection of top tournament decks through the years to show how power levels changed
They made gold bordered versions of the world championship decks for a lot of years. Getting some of those are really fun, I have them from 1997 up to 2004 or something. Highly recommend
I’d honestly love that as a series on the channel too
We have been talking about the idea of a tournament series with all the pro tour winning decks forever. But it's such a huge time investment, we are afraid of starting and having to ditch it early because of the lack of views 😬
@@CardmarketMagic that's a neat idea tho!
Having started in '98, this really takes me back to the old days. 🤩
I love Thoralfs reaction at 39:05
So much frustration about something he loves to play himself.....
Yes, more historic matchups please! I’d love to see a match with damage on the stack.
Wildfire Emissary was one of the Top 10 creatures in Magic in its day. It survived Lighting Bolt AND Swords to Plowshares, the only creature that could do that. That was a really big deal, especially at the 4-mana cost it had. Further, it could close out games because of the pump ability. That's just how slow Magic was.
So true, this is something you would not consider now obviously. But it was perhaps the best creature in Mirage, Frenetic Efreet and Maro being the competition.
Ah, good point, thx!
Autumn Willow and Deadly Insect would like to have a word with you. Blinking Spirit too.
Abeyance used to consider tapping a land for mana as an activation cost. This ment it was a white Timewalk in your opponents turn, they could untap, draw and attack but couldn't cast any spells. Amazing in mirror matchups.
I was wondering if this was during the short window where it was broken , Im guessing it was.
@@loungezinger it was broken. They were selling for over £10 each for a cantrip that did very little. Once it was errata, it became a sideboard card to prevent counterspells.
Very cool idea for a video. I am super interested in how Thoralf will deal with this matchup :D
I really adore how the overlay that shows the players hand cards is using the old font. :) Attention to detail as always
Thank you :)
Agreed. But I was a bit disappointed that Toffel used new border lands. Tsk tsk tsk :P
@HurricaneGregor it's not thoralf's fault 😅 he actually brought all the cards himself and had old lands for each of the 4 decks we filmed from 1997, but we had a lot of filming that day and had someone from the office put together the cards for the decks. They somehow thought the new cards would be prettier 🤷♂️
Absolutely felt nostalgia kick in, started 1996 and remember being absolutely amazed about stompy. I still think Standard was more fun than today, power creep of creatures is the bane of the game nowadays
at first cardmarket was just my go to site for singles, but now its also my favorite mtg channel, keep up the work guys I love this
That green pump spell had me much more hyped than it should have lol
I LOVE this! As someone who started playing in 95’ as a kid, I remember these decks, but not having the money to buy the more expensive cards. Seeing the dojo again was a nostalgic trip. It was so cool back in the day when you could go online for content instead of only being relegated to magazines like Scrye or inquest. I still looked forward to those magazines every month.
What a great idea for a video! Definitely worth the repeat. Great content as always.
I'm enjoying watching to seasoned pros play "classic" decks! They have a wealth of knowledge to share on the cards and how the game has evolved over time. Lots of fun!
Really cool to see some old school magic! Love Frank Karsten as a guest
This is awesome! Love you guys !
This is so cool. Thank you for the nostalgia hit for those who were there, and informing those who weren't
This was great, I love seeing the really old cards/formats, please do more of this!
Great video! Love to see more of these past magic world championship playoff in the future.
Love this content. I started playing in '98 and this is how I remember magic. :)
I just love the overlay and the way everything is laid out and clean, simple and easy to follow with all the relevant info being there all the time. BIG props to the editing team.
This gave me chills, it reminded me of when I first learned to play! Nicely done.
Absolutely fantastic content! Love seeing gameplay from the year I was born 😁 such a fun idea for a video!!!
That was really fun! I started playing in 2004, so it's cool seeing decks and rules from even before I started. (And from such great and knowledgable players!)
Amazing effort put into this Video, much appreciate it
I really like this detailed gameplay explanation with the card images and commentary!
This was really awesome and fun! Would love to see more like this.
That was a super fun blast from the past. I didn't even know that there was a "green version" of force of will...now me and Thoralf definetely know 😂
I love this! Please do more! Frank is lovely!
This was really fun to watch, the interaction between Frank and Tolrof was really cool to listen to them discuss (even small things like when the stack came in) i'd love to see more
This content was a blast! Great match, cool topic, excellent guest. Cheers!
This video was great - great energy from both Thoralf and Karsten. I hope to see more "historic" content like this!
This was a great video and love seeing Frank Karsten.
These videos are so cool! Would love to see more of this type of historic decks showdown content in the future :)
This is the best content you guys have ever made!.. I love the player commentary within the gameplay. So cool.
I love the idea of this series! Definitely do more of these!
This Video had everything, enterntainment, education, nostalgia (even for people who didnt even play anywhere close that time period). Loved everything about it, keep stuff like this coming
Great pairing of guests, love the channel.
Very nice editing this episode with the sort of digital hand interface, showing us end of/start of turn effects etc.
This was absolutely right up my alley. I'd love to see more games from older times like this.
Wow! This video flashback me to when I started playing magic as a child! What a nostalgia! (and how beautiful the old cards and illustrations are
Loved seeing you folks play with old sets; 10 year old me was going wild to see those cards being played again! You should definitely do that again!
We will :)
Please do more of this videos, i loved yo see this decks again
Loved the video! I think seeing the strongest standard decks of all time pit against each other could be interesting!
this was great! what a throwback :). I remember seeing the goldbordered version of the green deck as a kid and having the same reaction that Frank talked about.
As for future content, I know frank is known for doing a lot of statistical maths on magic. Would love to see a video (series) where he gives a masterclass on it.
Wow! That was such cool back and forth gameplay! I wish they would make the game more like this, with all the creatures with wield downsides and the stax pieces and things.
Just discovered your channel and I love the effort put into the content as well as the great vibes from everyone involved.
Thoralf seems like such a decent bloke.
Great idea for a vid! My first exposure to magic was around 1997, it's great to travel back in time.
This and pauper play really remind me of the types of games we played when I was a kid. This kind of content is great, thank you!
Frank while holding winter orb: I will allow you to use thawing glaciers twice per turn
This is an extremely good idea for almost unlimited future content
What a treat! Toffel is always completely amazing but Karsten also adds so much knowledge and fun. I could watch hour upon hour of content with these two (mixed up with jamin and karl once in s while ofc). Also a fun idea for a matchup. Keep up the great work!
Really enjoyed this!
Frank is a great guest and the gameplay was exciting! Force of will on a 3/3! So good! Haha
Looking forward to more.
As someone who played Type 2 at the time these videos are such a blast to watch! I played both decks in tournaments. Great to see "newer" players discovering these cards and keep the content coming!
Very nice episode! Would love to see more!
Karsten is a gem. Thanks for this content guys you're the best at showing paper pro stuff !
I love Frank and Thoralf's nostalgic banter. Definitely one of my favorite vids on the channel!
This was so cool to watch and really well produced.
Honestly this has been my favorite episode. The last game was so good it could have been scripted. Play block constructed from certain eras of magic. (Kamigawa block constructed)
I wish we could play block constructed! I don't think we'd get many views on it though so it might not be worth all the time I spend making these 😅 if these were only a day or two to make, I'd be trying all sorts of stuff!
Awesome video. I have subscribed just in the hope you make more videos like this one. I never see anyone playing pre 2000 decks and explaining them. I like your channel's style. Well written and well executed. Please make more of this and the video where you gave 2 players 100 euro to create a deck. Very fun! Thank you.
We are actually working on acquiring some of the actual gold bordered decks from the 90s to make more of these over the summer :) we'll do our best for you to be satisfied with your subscription!
I love the Magic history Carl's been doing and this is a great continuation of that! Seeing these cards used in the original context they were created and played in is not only a cool way of learning Magic history but also, I think, helps teach people how to evaluate what is actually a "strong card" in context. (It certainly helps me think about it in new ways!)
More please! 😁
Context is so critical when evaluating cards. Part of why it's so difficult, eh?
Great content, more retro decks for sure!
Thanks guys, that was beyond awesome 😎
YEEEEEES, i love exploring strange old format, more of thisssssss
I love these videos that take a trip down history lane. I only know the basics of modern Magic, so seeing how magic was played in the past is really interesting, and I would love to watch a series of videos like this one, going back in time year by year with Magic.
It's interesting that you say that because we are doing exactly that :) We have released three so far and we will be trying to do every year of magic with Frank Karsten
Would love to see more videos like this!
What a great video concept. Would love to see more of this. Maybe try to replay some "legendary" matches from magics history.
It's cool to see all of these old cards i had when i started playing!
The "back in the day" Emrakul is probably Colossus of Sardia! Love this vid! More old school games please!
These classic matchups are the best. Would love to see more.
Loved watching these games. Frank is great!
Love this type of throwback game, I'd definitely watch more games like this of magic through the years.
Love this throwback battles!
Very nice games. The Jeskai Control Deck was actually a deck i owned because of the gold border tournament decks. Please do that with more tournament top 8 decks
Ok the old border on the little card names for the hand is a great touch, amazing job editor!
Thank you! 😃 I'm happy someone noticed!
This was perfect. Would be great to see more of this type of content. Things like the classic matchups-- 1999: Brian Davis vs Bob, or 2000: Finkel vs Bob.
2000 Tinker Artifact is one of two decks I never got rid of. Played it competitively back in 2000, and have not played it since, but it's still sleeved up nonetheless
This was amazing! Good deal 🤝
This is such a good idea!
I would love to see a video of the decks played around the release of 7th edition. I was a kid who started playing Magic for the first time and I am very curious to see what pro players played back then when all I had was my preconstructed zombie deck!
Love these decks!
Wow what a fantastic video, love that bounty play
This is far and away my favorite MTG+ UA-cam channel.
That's nice to hear :)
More like this! I loved this
Amazing game! Getting into premodern again and it's so refreshing!
This was AWESOME! Love to see this type of content, would love to see old standards as well, like Innistrad standard or khans stanard etc etc, would be sweet to see
Pay attention to our feed in the next few weeks then ;) you won't be disappointed
Bounty of the hunt! Old school magic! MORE!
This is so enjoyable :D
Señor Stompie is my childhood, and I'm glad to see it win this match. My dad recently gave me his gold-bordered proxy deck I used when I first learned Magic. I don't play anymore, but I'm glad to have it for nostalgia reasons. One day i might pick up the other three decks from that series for the sake of playing them against each other.
I love Frank Karsten so much, what a joy he is, whenever he shows up.
oh yeah. please more of this! late 90's was the time i played with my friends kitchen table magic. 4th edition, mirage, visions, homelands, urzas block, tempest. and this game showed the power of artifacts back then. and why disenchant was a must have in every white deck (or at least side board). fun video 😄
We are actually inviting Frank Karsten back again to make a whole series like this :)