Why Government Policy Will Kill the UK Motorcycle Market
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2024
- How the ICE Ban policy will end motorcycling.
The government has already said that it will end the sale of new “non zero tailpipe emission cars and vans”. The decision for motorcycles is not yet confirmed. Recently the headlines told us that the ban would be delayed from 2030 till 2035 for cars. But still there is no decision made for motorcycles.
There is still time to stop this ruinous policy. This is no time for complacency.
Don’t be hoodwinked by claims of technology neutrality or pipedreams of the sector being recognised as a future transport solution. Actions speak louder than words. Actions already taken for cars, and planned for motorcycles will kill motorcycling in the UK unless we can stop the ICE Ban.
We are literally in the fight to prevent the end of motorcycling in the UK. If you have any interest or passion for the future of UK motorcycling, join MAG now at mag-uk.org/
We won’t roll over, will you?
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Glad I’m 68 years old. My generation has seen the best of times. I feel sorry for younger people for so many reasons. Too many to list.
@stevejones3180 = Me and a lot of friends would agree with you ,but this generation accept change too easily ,some of my neighbours have electric cars and moan about the insurance ,but don"t care as they are company vehicles .Just another question of I"m alright Jack ?.
I'm 56 and wish I was born 20 years earlier.
The daily b.s of left woke nonsense is tiring and the threat of war is real with global population growth at current rate.
The UN, no borders, no laws has destroyed Europe....
Yeah, cheers mate. Your generation is basically the reason we're all fucked now.
Glad you had your fun, though. Hope you're having a nice retirement in your fully-paid off house.
@peterclarke7240 you sound bitter mate, always easy to blame previous gens....
Im 56 and have 3 kids, 30, 28 and 26. They all had a better childhood than me and all through UNI, but they still want more....snowflakes....
Yes your generation has utterly spoilt it for everyone forever thinking you could have it all at no cost .
My husband knows no other way of life than motorcycles and riding and believes we are currently in a state of non-combative war with the Establishment.
It’ll end up combative if they try to stop freedom of movement
Your husband gets it
He is 100% correct. The enemy has no honour and has been waging war without declaring it. The purpose of 'government' (middle management) is to keep the population quiet while they are plundered and murdered.
It's more like the Establishment is in a state of non-combative war with us. Well, that's not quite it, they are aggressive, use coercion, sometimes to the point of force.
@@Sjoldschool I shall enjoy that.
The whole idea is to remove personal transport, the worst part is we'll let them.
You would vote for Brexit
What does brexit have to do with it...?@@Ardass486
@billywillyhi 0:02 samazingunderp6152 wtf has brexit got to do with it???
Even if the UK reached this ridiculous net zero, we would be stopping 0.1% of the worlds polution. I am sick of all this punishment. We are getting from every angle atm.
Me too👍
It's not about pollution, its about control of movement.
we need to make up for ignorant countries until they catch up
Why ? @@MyKharli
@@MyKharli Utter nonsense. Who told you that?
It's nothing to do with zero emissions it's about controlling people's movements
Mouth breathers out in full force I see.
@@Tehjubjub gate keeper keeping the truth in line, i see...
WEF rule !
What would be the rationale behind that, though? What possible purpose would it serve?
@@peterclarke7240 The more control you have the more you can syphon off and the greater the difference in quality of life between the haves and have not's.
Its getting a bit too crowded in nice places for the liking of certain people so they wnat to make sure the poor can't afford to be in their little zones.
Who voted for any of this net zero lunacy?
No one, but voting is pointless, too. Look at the madness in Wales where I live!😮
@@113msaundersvoting has always been theatre to keep the peasants distracted
Nobody which is why we shouldn't be putting up with it.
No one and all for a crisis that doesn’t exist.
We are being lied to.
Going by the utter stupidity in the comments, you are all f##ked !. The ignorance and the willingness to regurgitate right wing miss information is truly depressing 😢😢😢
The lunatics have taken over the asylum... Motorcycles should be encouraged, not punished. Anyone switched on will know that despite "zero tailpipe emissions" , which is only really relevant in highly built up areas like central London, EVs are horrific for the environment to produce, ridiculously expensive to buy and insure, and close to useless for anyone who isn't commuting to a single place of work less than 50 miles or so from home.
The people up top making this stuff up are surely well aware of this. It's hard not to read it as an intentional attack on personal freedom, mobility and small businesses disguised as "for the environment".
We are talking about the manufacture and sale of NEW ice vehicles. .. methinks there is a business opportunity for the importation and sale of second hand / used nearly new bikes, which I bet has not been legislated for.
@@johnthynne3265 Yeah, even if New ICE are banned in 2030, thats still a good 10-20 years before those final models will be mostly obsolete/off the road, in theory. Sadly we are already seeing taxes and discrimination on older vehicles, particularly in London ULEZ and various clean air zones popping up around the UK. I can only imagine that these restriction areas will get bigger and more strict, until using an ICE vehicle becomes as silly as we see steam engines as now 😅
Absolutely agree and it's not only the suppression of our right to freedom of movement and to own personal transport that is being discouraged or just plain inflicted upon us by using the seemingly unchallengeable (yet highly flawed and questionable) justification of 'saving the planet'.. Amongst many other things it's the suppression of Agriculture and food production, the demonising of eating meat and heating our homes too.. None of which will trouble Sunak, Starmer and their ilk for a second of course as they sit down to their beef or lamb dinner in their well lit and heated homes, all funded by the UK taxpayer.. The EV lobby is nothing more than a highly politicised gravy-train that they'll never want to get off..
@@Sam-on5pz My motorcycle is a 1955 Norton. It's immune to the ULEZ, Congestion Charge zone, road tax and MoT testing. Recently when I was renewing my insurance, I asked if they would like me to get my bike MoT tested. He had to ask his supervisor, who said no.
@@pashakdescilly7517 - I ride a CBR1100XX it's 22 year old original engine still sounds wonderful without the worry of sitting with my legs wrapped around a Lithium EV battery that is a timebomb that could explode at any time removing my legs, testies and manhood.
The people forcing these decisions don’t drive, they call a taxi and the good old taxpayers pick up the tab.
Rather we get rid of the politicians and greens than our transport
Or they have a ministerial car as part of their job
The taxi being a private jet with a waiting range rover for when you land.
Criminals in power
I will keep my petrol car until I hang up my licence.
Climate change is absolute BS.
👏👏👏👏
Thanks professor! Why does biking attract so many morons?
Keep refusing to buy EV including motorcycles keep our petrol once
The climate has always been changing, during the Roman occupation of Britain the temperature was higher than it is today, can't remember the figure it's either 2 or 5c, those Romans and their v8 chariots! 😂😂😂😂
Correct.
They have already killed it by making it nigh on a grand to get your full bike licence. They have been at war with the motorcyclist for years, slowly introducing more and more ways to make biking less appealing.
I started riding 50 years ago and the last 10 years the insurance has been steadily increasing
to the state that a couple of years ago ( when I hung up my helmet) my insurance was 5 times the cost . The last jump it doubled, which is when I worked out that I should give up
The sale of EVs is faltering, personally I think demand will dictate if we transition fully to electric or not, attempting to enforce unpopular ideological policies will end in tears and lead to economic suicide, even corrupt politicians will realise this when the wheels start to wobble on their gravy train.
EV technology is beginning to be proven to be net contributors to carbon emissions. Surprise surprise, the figures were either not fully understood when the blind panic adoption was mandated, or (more likely) we were lied to!
this climate change denial opinion is screwing us all .
We can but hope, but don't hold you breath, they will push this to the bitter end.
But all the politicians have put their money into EV’s! They will force it to take place!
@@CrusaderSports250 I'm not sure they will, almost every person I know that has an EV has it as a company car. Once the government incentives end, which they will and soon, and companies are fed up with people turning up late or not at all due to charging issues sales will dramatically slow down because only a tiny percentage of the car buying public can afford a new ev and already there are widely reported issues with used ones that is putting a lot of people off.
Refuse electric cars, refuse to stop using cash, refuse to be over run by unvetted migrants, put your country first, to hell with the politicians.
Well said mate
MAG is the only UK organisation which truly represents the interest of bikers. Having been a biker for 50 years, I say: keep up the good work, guys.
@@timmytackle9181 Yes; they've done sod all except align themselves with the Govt till now. Way too late.
@@francespoole3341 You are right. Its almost like they have just realized they can make money from You Tube videos and that is the only reason they are now bothering to talk about it?
What planet you on?
This is weird because even if everyone in Britain gives up all the vehicles and starts walking everywhere it won't change anything, because we have 140 active volcanoes on the planet and one puff from one volcano puts more pollutants into the atmosphere then from the time man has been alive on this planet.
All the plumbers, electricians, taxi drivers and delivery drivers won't be attending addresses in areas with speed humps or where it's further than they can carry their tools or goods. Road repairing and ground works will become non existent.
And your source is? World wide cattle farming for meat generates 2x the greenhouse gas as personal transport. Go veggie and carry on riding
Co2 is your friend, vegetables are for those needing roughage.
Enough with your common sense lol
@GGT2501, have you seen the emissions required to plant and plough said veggie plots?
Why are peole bowing down to these governments when thet have zero fookin authority over anyone?!!!
That’s not true. They’re voted in and are given the authority to shape policy on how their party dictates. It’s…quite a basic concept. They also have the blackshirts to carry out their orders, I’m sorry I meant police. They are also given authority under the blessing of the monarch as well. If they had no authority then the police wouldn’t be enforcing laws of the road. But hey they got no authority, right?
It's all about the wef and there leaders running our countrys
@@spookyt8692 no one has a higher authority over you than you
@@ckarodipolicethepolice2301 apparently not as I’m obliged to pay taxes for Mp expense accounts, can get a prison sentence for smoking a joint, and if I watched tv would be forced to pay for the tv licence. I wish I believe you comrade :(
@@spookyt8692 well i dont pay income tax which is unlawful.....no tv licence as its a scam and i smoke spliffs infront if police as i have the authority from I 😉 and police in my town dont mess with I 😁 also we have cestui qui vie
I wonder how many of our politicians have vested interests in EV's ??? There are definitely other perfectly viable alternatives , so, why are the politicians so hell bent on forcing EV's on us ???
Because the majority cant afford them , welcome to your 15 minute city
None they prefer petrol or diesel .and they have the god dam nerve to try stop us from driving petrol and diese cars
Its just about getting us off the road climate change is the ' trojan horse '
It's not EV's they have a vested interest in, they have a vested interest in us not having access to Private vehicles and living in 15 minute zones. As long as you have access to a school for your kids, a doctor's surgery and somewhere to buy a pint of soya milk and some Bug burgers within a 15 minute walk, that'll be your lot. Everyone thought Boris was off his trolley when he waffled on about Peppa Pig World.
" Who's been to Peppa Pig World" " Everyone should go to Peppa Pig World" " Where there's heavy emphasis on modern mass transport systems, even if they're a bit stereo typical about Daddy Pig" The mono rail to nowhere and Daddy Pig is the only one with a car. " Everyone will be happy to live and work within the bounds of their own community" Small businesses rely on outside work/trade, if you don't work for the Corporation you'll be on Universal credit. " The streets will be safe", you'll be monitored 24/7 😟
I’m guessing that bmw are about to launch another electric two wheeler.
Sadly very few people care what happens to the UK anymore.
They never had , thats why is it the worst in world for forest cover and wildlife and pollution .
I despise The British Union. They are destroying England!
I care.
I'll put my slant on it, because I think it's about restricting movement by charging penalties for driving fossil fuelled vehicles. What a good earner for a local council, if they can charge you a fee for driving your car/van/bike, into a ULEZ? They wouldn't be able to play the pollution card, if everyone was driving milk floats into cities.
Yep. Always about money and how to milk us for not riding around in milk floats.
Don't worry the WEF led future is a brave new world of SERFDOM !
Imagine if there were no motorcycles at all. Then, some bright spark today said - I know I will put an engine in an glorified bicycle frame, call it a motorcycle and ride around on it, use it to go to work etc. It would never ever be allowed on the roads today - that is how far we have come on the road to "freedom" these days.
Exactly that has happened.. I have a weedy ebike that can only go the same speed as a pedal bike, but because it has a throttle, it is completely illegal.. despite being the most environmentally friendly form of transport since the horse. None of this is about the environment.
Agreed. Non of the legislation makes any sense in terms of saving the environment. Disgusting.
@@OMEGOOLIEBIRD The horse was never environmentally friendly. Just look back in history to the streets of London where there were so many horses that there was an absolutely massive problem with horse shit on the streets. Cars actually cleaned up London.
I think the wheels are falling off their EV aspirations. That is not to say proposals shouldn't be fought. Actually it is more a call to double efforts.
The Snag is if the Insurance industry decides to pull the plug on ICE vehicles & MOT stations are mandated to halt too.
Bit like ones Bank deciding to shut your account & freeze your cash etc.
This is how the gain control via beurocracy governance..
Sadly this is already being talked about in Germany.
But of course they don’t say that getting rid off old batteries does more harm than petrol motorcycles
Thing is, if you go for a ride and need to charge, you end up charging more than riding with the current battery bikes.
I have a daily commute of around 30 miles mostly motorway and it takes me 30-35 minutes every day each way (so lets say an hour & 5 mins daily or 5 hrs 25 mins weekly) and I fill up weekly which takes me a couple of minutes tops. I looked at the zero DSR/X with fast charging I can recharge to 80% within 2 hours if I use fast charge (no data on home charging, but I probably couldn't anyway as I live in a flat) A minimum 50% charging time, for every hour ridden... So pretty much, I'd need to add at least 2 hours a week to my commute time just to recharge the bike. As it is I leave at 7am and get home for 6pm, where am I supposed to find these extra 2 hours? When I would normally be sleeping or eating my evening meal? In addition to that, the majority of my electric at home comes from Fossil Fuel power stations with a little bit of wind/solar (if it's sunny/windy), so even if I could find a way to charge it at home, I'd be plugging it into the grid overnight that definitely wouldn't be solar energy. All for a bike with a hardwired battery and no data on how many charging cycles that, that battery can actually be useful for, so how long will I actually get to use the bike for before the lithium is beyond use and ends up in landfill?
(I think that the reason they only give time to 80% charged is because the last 20% takes just as long, but they don't like to mention that)
@@leeblakemore2762Zero guarantee/reckon on 300,000 kilometres for the batteries. Certainly they are warranted for 5 years. I have the 2017 13 kw SR which will do about 90/100 miles on a warm sunny day at legal speeds. 1% per mile of charge roughly. Cane the blood thing and that can rise to 2/3%! Ride it in a cold Winter at the national speed limit would be about the same. Why would you fork out £20,000 to freeze your nuts off? I'd rather freeze mine on my Classic 350!
A Government led by career Politicians who have NEVER had a REAL job or had to actually WORK for a living is a recipe for economic and lifestyle disaster for the Citizens. This Government MUST GO.
This government? All the politicians are crooks...... whoever gets in we're f#cked.
Communism is your future….
Imagine a world where the most powerful jobs are all filled by people who have passed NO examinations, and obtained NO qualifications, for those jobs...
The reason they never had a real job was that they were not qualified, let alone competent.
@@holzwolf most are from families of old money - with extreme inbreeding over such a very long time. As a result each new generation of them is dumber than the last.
The elephant in the room is the big 4 motorcycle manufacturer's don't have any electric motorcycles on the market
Yet 😊
Is their country banning ice vehicles though? Or is it just UK and Europe with self sabotaging tendencies that want net zero
once you realise and understand that the long game is to get you off of, or out of any privately owned vehicle (that allows you freedom of movement) it all makes sense, they want us in shitty over built cities where everything is walkable and with no private vehicles - call it what you like but it is inarguable.
Don't you like to walk ?
@@specialized500 when you act deliberately dumb don't be surprised if folk treat you that way
Simple question . Is it not good to walk or cycle more ?
@@specialized500 Choices don't matter to you then? Go live in n. Korea, you'll be right at home.
@@ogasi1798 why don't you answer a simple question ? After all this is the question that the planners have to answer .
I’m impressed with your knowledge of the legislation, I’ve known this was coming for a while as I work in the motor trade, it’s refreshing to see an actual factual and accurate video that speaks the truth. the government announcing they are putting the banning of ice cars back to 2035 is pointless. they haven’t changed the rules for manufacturers. By 2030 no manufacturer would dare build an ice vehicle as the fines would be so great it would bankrupt them, I think buy the bike you always wanted as close as you can to them stop being built and keep it for as long as you can. I can’t see this going away I am afraid. Ps I’m in Droitwich, I recognise the roads in this video ;0)
Self driving vehicles could be the end of motorcycles. I don’t fancy riding on the same roads.
I assume that they will be guided by satellite? That's terrifying because I have to satnavs, a Tom Tom built into my van and a Garmin in my car, at least once a week whichever one I'm using at the time has the signal drop out completely, imagine that happening pulling out of a junction or on a busy motorway.
This is exactly the reason that getting up in arms about the ICE ban is a waste of energy. We need to protect motorcycling not internal combustion. I'd rather ride an electric bike than none at all
@@robocombothere's a massive difference between someone who rides a motorcycle and a biker, if you're the former you probably couldn't give a toss how your bike is powered, if you're that latter you'd never ride an electric bike, personally i would rather walk, and that is an opinion held by everyone I've spoken to on the subject. The British government has made several attempts to get motorcycles off the roads permanently and this is how they'll do it.
@@robocombo How safe will self driving vehicles be around motorcycles ?
I often take the woods route to avoid traffic.
Make sure you buy a new bike before the ban and if you can afford it buy two and keep one registered but in dry storage. This will ensure at least forty to fifty years of riding a petrol bike. If petrol becomes unavailable you will be able to distill enough spirit to run a bike on as you'll only need a few gallons a month. If they outright ban existing petrol bikes then emigrate to Russia. If you're young emigrate to Russia anyway - funny how places, governments and freedom change. Don't stop supporting campaigners in the meantime though as these "environment" policies are a Trojan horse in bring in Marxism via the back door. Even if you get to keep your bike it probably won't be worth living in the woke never never "paradise" the UK/EU will become. I just bought a new Transit van, not because I needed a new one particularly but as a hedge against the ban [and tracking spyware] - properly looked after the van should last me forty years when I'll be a hundred and six. You will always be able to get hold of diesel. It's my view that the power elites actually want rid of the working class population with just enough left to cut their hair + grass, clean their mansions and repair the empty roads for them to drive their Bentleys and Range Rovers on unimpeded by the under-privileged.
I, for one, am not laughing at your “emigrate to Russia” suggestion. Life there would not be as bad as the utter cr@p that we will be living with here before very long!
"It's my view that the power elites actually want rid of the working class population with just enough left to cut their hair + grass, clean their mansions and repair the empty roads for them to drive their Bentleys and Range Rovers on unimpeded by the under-privileged." And that's a Marxist view. Funny that!
We need to stand as one on this and force our so called leaders to change direction and lets face it there have been so many u turns in the past that it is posible to put a stop to this . The revenue that we generate for the Hotels and B&Bs around the country have managed to keep many places open. We as a family of bikers also generate very large amounts of money for charitys to help the needy.
I have a suspicion that these policies will have the effect of boosting used car sales while killing the manufacturers.
This is about control, of course, and the ability to rake in cash dressed up as environmental necessity. The Tories are without a doubt atrocious, but Labour take it to another level. I’d vote for Sunak just to keep Starmer out but really we need an anti net-zero party to lead us back to a free and prosperous society and an energy policy that benefits our country not providing cheap fuel to the rest.
Reform UK ARE an anti net zero party
I am a member. The only party with a cat in hell's chance of fighting this idiocy.
You think we actually get to choose. THE WEF CONTROLS EVERYTHING NOW. If you vote the wrong way, it will be "corrected"
@@tiepup I’d love you to be right but, sadly, you’re totally wrong. We do not have the means to supply when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine. There is insufficient battery storage capacity nor will there be. The “green” jobs created are not here since we build no wind turbines or solar panels. Much of it comes from China using fossil fuels to power their grid(s). It’s not cheap at all. A free energy source is only as cheap as the cost to exploit it. That is vast. You’re right about the vagaries of the energy markets and why we should exploit shale gas and oil domestically. Nuclear is by far the most secure option but priced out by regulation and government dithering. The same government that subsidises Drax to produce more CO2 than if it burned coal and destroying millions of trees doing so.
My degree was Fuel and Energy Engineering in 1981, working on the construction of Drax and then 30 years insuring the power and energy industries globally. I talk from a position of knowledge. Happy to discuss further.
If you vote for sunak or starmer then you can expect the status quo to remain as is, or more likely worsen. If you want a change then change how you vote.
@@steve5825 Fair point but to what?
I just can't imagine any true motorcyclist buying an electric bike.
Motorbikes will be all vintage one day…
But what will they do if we all just keep the bikes we’ve got and don’t buy new ones.
You'll be out priced on insurance and petrol will be hard to aquire
They will ban the sale of petrol, with a jail term of 40 years for anyone selling benzole.
@@ivanhowell3461 lol 🤣😂 oh well back to cycling or walking then !! Or I could get a pony & trap.
@@Jack_Warner well at least that’s free bored and lodging. 😂🤣🤣
@@ed7540 no horses because of methane
I think the gov should look at the destruction and unsave practice of mining materials for battery manufacturing but that’s all done abroad so our gov don’t give a shyte
Exactly, just like how all our pollution is being done abroad now so we can claim we're reducing emissions. It's all sham!
Nice clear presentation and a good knowledge of the intended outcome. For me this is quite worrying as i am looking to returning to motorcycling, should i just buy a modern machine and enjoy what time we have left before the eco mentalists get their way or just stick with the car? On a side-note, i wonder what the emergency services will be relying on when this legislation takes full effect, will the firefighters really be running around in a fully electric fire engine? Will the police forces be using fully electric cars vans and motorcycles, etc etc.
Government sees a golden opportunity to suppress motorcycling, drive 99% of us off the roads. We must resist.
be prepared to rebel :)
We need to stop this nonsense.
quite ridiculous that they are intending to ban combustion engines fuelled by hydrogen and synthetic fuels. Although I've read that there is something of a pushback from the likes of Toyota and BMW regarding a complete transition to electric. I believe the CEO of Toyota wants to see multiple solutions being allowed such as electric, hydrogen and synthetic fuels.
in nz because the government pays out fir all accident injuries, they have done there best to get motorbikes off the road, they are now as rare as hens teeth on our roads, and where i lived there were 5 bikeshops locally in the 90s now there is not one
A great pity because New Zealand, despite its small population, has produced some of the finest motorcycle racers in the world - Isle of Man TT for example. Long may it continue.
One size fits all as far as the policy makers are concerned and I suspect few if any of them are bikers. Therein lies the rub and why it's so important that pressure groups like MAG (with whom they are obliged to consult), call it out and spell out the full implications. Good work. Coincidently I was reading an old "Bike" mag the other day from about 35 years ago about the proposed EU ban on bikes above 100bhp, it was written by the chair of MAG and was equally as eloquent, pursuasive and passionate and it ultimately prevailed.
It's not going to happen, EVs will disappear soon
Insurance is also killing the market. Am getting £3300 a year on a R7, while kid in the states 10 years younger is paying 1/10th that.
£1000 a year for my little 125 pitbike (both 3rd party only).
They will keep making it prohibitively expensive to get into, which is a shame as it's so therapeutic.
So glad I enjoyed the Halycon Years of motorcycling, with noise oil leaking hand numbing vibration dodgy electrics.
All the Fun for Bikers
Keep your bikes, don’t sell them on, buy if you can afford to more...keep them aside until you’ve the need...
The whole issue is about NEW bikes, old bikes only get cooler, remember when the bantam, CG125 and even the Honda stepthru were deemed inferior? Now there seriously cool....
Got 5 bikes in hiding ranging from yam scooter through to slr650 , never going to part with them, favourite is the xbr 500 converted to 660 with all the goodies
Very few riders under 40. This will kill motorcycling first.
@trevorwylie5882
Very true. Am a engineering Toolmaker don't know of any younger than me.
I'm retiring soon. At 57.
They will make fuel so expensive you won't be rideing regardless .
Don’t let the ev ruin your life , vote for change
So… you’ve managed to set out the issue (at length), say that you’re fighting it and that people should join MAG but what *are* you actually doing about it?
The top and bottom of the climate change issue is that, in my relatively short lifetime, the human population of the planet has doubled and given that most people wish to have a certain 'standard of living' which in many cases includes driving a car or motorcycle. Quite simply there are too many people and obviously too many engines. There's a simple equation which says the more people there are, technically, the smaller share of the pie and the more polution.
I do hope we don't loose our bikes because of some brainless political decision made by the kind of halfwits our fptp system sends to Westminster but it's incredibly worrying.
This is all irrelevant. Once the mass market for petrol vanishes, that's the end for motorbikes!
Even if motorcycles are completely spared how difficult will it be to find petrol for normal daily use if cars and vans aren't using it 😢
Take control; keep buying petrol bikes and deliver the option to the government to cancel the planned electrification or have no motorcycle industry.
Bikes symbolise freedom 👍🏻 the government doesn’t like freedom 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know if you remember chatting to me on your Facebook page a couple of years ago...but I mentioned the Great Reset to you...and how in the near future driving a car or riding a motorbike will not be possible for most people. That reality is getting closer by the day.
It will not happen. E80(+) will be introduced, (because of the failure of ev, they will say, but this was their plan all along)
£25 Billion is what the UK government made in 2022 on fuel duty tax
Mad Max scenario may be upon us 😅
I’ll put my foil hat on and say that ICE bikes do not fit into the longer term transport plans for governments of any type. I actually don’t think it’s to do with ICE v EV I think it’s more to do with the ultimate prospect of self driving vehicles. Autonomous vehicles just cannot deal with bikes moving around them in the urban environment. Couple this with the health and safety drive towards zero road deaths and bikes just don’t fit in.
We must fight net zero.
We are truly going backwards. This is so wrong. Who are these people?
I've been riding motorcycles since 1969, and they were trying to make life difficult for us then, they'll get there in the end
They trying this in the U.S. as well. Already GM is talking about bankruptcy 😂 I hope it doesn’t work.
The EU have stated that there is no place for motorcycles in the future. The mandated phasing out of ICE vehicles will destroy the British automotive industry, because companies cannot sell vehicles that nobody wants; I don't know where this will leave Triumph. Vote Reform!
Lets not worry about the average mine, mining for rare metals for batteries, using 2 million liters of diesel every day!
The thing is, once cars and vans are phased out ,petrol will be scarcely available except maybe black market ?
Been riding for 50+ years, still own four great ICE bikes and I plan to ride them for the rest of my life. However, I have no problem seeing ICE’d vehicles phased out of production. To reconcile those seemingly contradictory positions requires way more space than a comment box allows.
Governments won't be happy until most people can't afford to travel and do what they want. USSR is becoming a better place to live with more freedom 😢
Do you mean the Russian Federation? USSR was disbanded in 1990.
The USSR ceased to exist in 1991
@@cathymackay5534 you always get one smart ???? 🤣
SPOT ON. The WEF is an extreme political movement and fully controls the West now !
Its not just bikes, they clearly state that there will be an end to all personal transport end of. They only want walking ,cycling or public transport. The thing is should we put up with it? MAG member for last 40 years, freedom is not free you have to fight for it.
Mayor of Yorkshire has online suggestions for making Yorkshire greener. Suggest everyone goes online and proposes keeping combustion engine bikes as greener in lifecycle and allowing motorbikes to use bus lanes for greater safety and reducing traffic congestion. Best wishes.
The more people that know about the heritage party the better. Go and have a look at there Manifesto.
They want out of the wef plans and to stop all this nonsense.
However, people are stupid, it's either lab or cons. Two cheeks of the same backside.
To little to late the motorcycle died years ago when it stopped being cheep transport for the masses & insurance became ridiculous. No one starts on a moped & progresses to larger motorcycles & cars anymore & didn't when I had my first moped in 1983. Also motorcyclists are actively discriminated against in many ways vat on essential protection clothes and having to remove your helmet unlike some other minority groups that's why I was trying to get every motorcycleist to put on the census under religion MOTORCYCLIST everyone Inc radio/ TV people sead good idea but I was the only one who actually did it or even tried to get something done.
If you can pay the charges, it makes NO difference to the environment. At this rate, the 'normal' person won't be able to run a car/motorcycle.
Yep, that's the whole idea. During Covid, the 'elite' loved the empty roads, the faster progress, the emptier airports. So they'll keep making using any private vehicle hard until we all stop 'getting in their way'. They need to get to their parties whilst we're too poor or 'banned' from having them! Let's not make it that easy for them to get us off the roads!!
Glad you are with us, at long last.
I will never ride an electric motorcycle! Not because I have taken a political or conspiracy theory stance on the issue. I believe the environmental concerns are valid, particularly in large conurbations and the negative impact on people’s health from high levels of pollutants. No, for me there is no soul in electric. Motorcycling is about the noise, the petrol, the CCE, four stroke or two stroke; twin cylinders or four cylinders.
As I’ve argued before, motorcycling can be and should be part of the solution. Bikers should have unrestricted access to inner cities as in Glasgow for example. They take up less space, cause less pollution and probably reduce depression levels all at the same time! I would certainly support mass motorcycle protests to get attention and cause a bit of disruption. Motorcyclists are of no interest to government, they are in fact invisible and when have we heard that before
Certainly with any new euro 5 bikes they can hardly be a drop in the atmospheric ocean 🤷🏻♂️
I can see the big players bailing in the not too distant future. We see no significant offerings from the mainstream manufacturers (apart from Harley) which is a good indication they're not going to bother. They'll just keep making hay while the sun shines knowing full well that the vast majority of enthusiasts are not going to bother with battery bikes. With only a few exceptions, for the large makers, bikes make up a tiny percentage of their overall sales. If BMW and Honda for example, stopped making bikes, it would make no difference to them in the long term. In fact investing in the technology, factory refits and tooling would likely cost them more than just dissolving their production of bikes completely. If in doubt, ask yourself, if garden shed operations like zero can offer full size electric bikes, where are the ones from Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha Suzuki et all. Conspicuous by their absence aren't they. I think we're on the cusp of the end of bikes as we know them all together. Only small utility around town bikes will survive in electric form.
The unemployment with all this nonsense will be unsustainable
It would be very easy for any government to not ban ICE bikes without losing too much face if they kept driving (the pun!) for cleaner cars.
Needs to be proportionate or people will fight it, despite some benefit.
Meanwhile lets celebrate Kawasaki for trying EV and hydrogen... about time we saw some actual development rather than just fresh paint every year.
This Is the first post I have seen on this subject presented by you, MAG. I am unaware of any previous post on this subject. But hey!! You have at last woken up. Stu Fillingham has warned us about this, 2years ago. I also believe he has contacted you,MAG with regard to this. I’m pleased you made this post although very late to the game. Please get up earlier in the morning. Keep up and keep us informed.
I'm guessing, Malcolm, that you are not a MAG Member or you would know that MAG was the first organisation to start campaigning against the EV-only agenda. I personally submitted the following resolutions to the MAG Conference in 2019, and got them all passed with only some small amendments:
MAG rejects and condemns HM Government’s diktat forbidding the sale and registration in the UK of internal combustion powered (ICP) private vehicles from 2040 or any other date.
MAG believes that choice in personal transport is an essential element of a free and non-elitist society and opposes any and all measures that restrict have the effect of restricting car and/or motorcycle use to any form or elite.
MAG rejects as inefficient, unaffordable, unworkable and highly detrimental to the UK economy and populace, the idea that sufficient charging points can be installed as to allow the rapid recharging of an electric vehicle fleet in any way comparable to the UK’s current fleet of ICP private vehicles.
MAG supports the improvement and extension of public transport systems and calls for investment in electric railway, tram and trolley-bus systems and services so as to encourage a voluntary reduction in the use of all private vehicles.
MAG opposes the use of self-driving vehicles on public roads believing that they will never be sufficiently safe and as such will be an unnecessary and unacceptable hazard to all road users, in particular motorcyclists. MAG further condemns the use of self-driving vehicles as being yet another means by which the less academically qualified are able to earn a living, resulting in the yet greater concentration of wealth in fewer hands.
Proposer: Neil F. Liversidge, MAG Member 23660
Seconded: Rob Matthews MAG Member 112834
In 2021 I got myself re-elected as National Chairman, to lead the fight against this crap. I'm the guy that has supplied Stuart Fillingham with information for his videos. I initiated the co-operation with the ABD and together we've formed Transport Reality to campaign against the EV-only agenda.
When I announced my run for Chairman in 2021, a bunch of former BMF 'luminaries' (luminaries in their own minds at least) had a little bitch-fest on Facebook to the effect that I and MAG were wasting our time and that we should support the EV agenda. The BMF has given up. We haven't. We never will.
So, Malcolm, I'll look forward to hearing from MAG Central that you've jopined us to do your bit in this fight. Join here: mag-uk.org/
Brown car guy conducted his pollution test levels in London. Take a look at his results, very interesting. It may inspire MAG to conduct similar testing around motorcycle meeting ares as a comparison. Just a thought.
It's not anything to do with pollution in reality though. During Covid, the 'elite' loved the empty roads, the faster progress, the emptier airports. So they'll keep making using any private vehicle hard until we all stop 'getting in their way'.
The lack of young people getting into bikes and the cost of them will kill biking off before the government does.
That's the REAL issue right there.
I will give up driving or riding before i own an electric vehicle . If you buy electric you are keeping the vehicle industry afloat and adding to the problem. The idea is to say NO THANKYOU and put them out of business.
Our government need to be made to listen and we should do as the French farmers would and thats to ride down to London and block the streets. If we dont act and now we are going to be forced to just take it and let the government destroy bot our heritage and our culture . The MAG needs it all to support them with this and i urge you all to join the fight . Ride safe all 👍👍👍👍
The French are republicans and won't take sh1te from their govts. We are not. We are deferential to authority. When our govt says "Jump!!", we say, "How high?"
Probably it`s not Motorcycles they want to cancel, but the breed of Men and Women who ride them.
Yeah agree they've pulled bike out of a lot of police forces in recent years.
I am 63 .Been riding since 8 yrs. Still riding my bikes. We need all the roads fixed and all motorcycle shoud be tax free .MAG member since 1979
The only people buying new 125cc bikes are driving schools.
I honestly haven't meet a single person here in the UK, spending thousands on a new bike and barely being able to ride.
I spend £500 on my 125cc and £2200 on my 1000cc bike - I might in a year or two will consider a "newer" bike but definitely won't go out and buy an electric bike.
btw. did anyone ever picked up on the motorcycle ban in Spain, in a park!!!
According to them its emissions and noise 🙄
Joined MAG Joined Reform UK. The only organisations that can stop this zero lunacy and nonsense.
the reality is that Electric is dead in the water.
How can a government mandate market share? its a level of central planning that makes no sense. The reality will be a lot of motorcycles sold as second hand with no first owners!
I was a MAG member for years, west Norfolk branch, I was chairman 2011-2012 but a divorce and job change put pay to it, I live in Norwich now and I can't find a branch here? Does anyone know if there's a meeting in or around Norwich?
considering how many companies have ceased EV production due to lithium battery spontaneous combustion, and the lack of charging points, never mind the fact that insurers are now bumping up premiums to cover the now well documented fires, there's the other problem of shipping these cars and their batteries, shipping lines are banning electric cars, not to mention that the foremost producer of these batteries is china, with three quarters of the world's production of lithium batteries, batteries that only have a five or so year life span.
then there's the hideous depreciation of theses electric vehicles that makes them worth nothing to scrap, as the major component, the chassis just happens to be part of the battery.
if you're lucky enough to have one that doesn't go up in smoke within five years, you'll need a new battery installed, at only sixty odd thousand pounds, which necessitates the complete dismantling of the car. which poses the problem of registration of the newly rebatteried car, as the chassis, as explained above, is essentially the battery. then there's the cost of the labour to install them.
the british government is completely ignorant of this, or they would now be axing 'net zero' nonsense, as some european countries allready have.
this is the most shortsighted policy based on false assertions. the climate grift has been going on since the '70s, blowing hot and cold depending on the weather.
I was a mag member from 1988 until I left britain.
still proud to have drawn the 20th anniversary magna carta freedom rally patch and enamel and the *northish* london mag tshirt that people outside london thought was a made up group despite buying it lol
in other news, france is implementing an m.o.t. for motorcycles this year, that no testing stations exist for, much less competent mechanics to do the testing.
my fellow countrymen are the worst spanner monkeys I have yet encountered, my pal tony of galea camchain services, wickford, does busman's holidays to the toulouse area each year to work on expat's bikes, despite there being an industrial estate full of bike workshops, so I don't see how they can enforce it.
Come on MAG... it's been ages since we did a lap of the M25. You achieved nothing against ULEZ on bikes in London, so let's see some Action!
How comes it is only the UK doing this…? What about Japan, America, Russia, Australia etc where is their ICE ban.
Might be a plan to get people to leave this country.
Sadly. Already some US authorities have banned the sale of petrol leafblowers, trimmers. Lawn mowers etc as i read the other day. ?
A sensible government would be trying to get more people to own small capacity bikes, putting pressure on manufacturers to increase mpg massively. Under 400 cc with at least 70 mpg would see people commuting on such machines except perhaps for a few weeks in the dead of winter. That would reduce total emissions inc manufacture by a much greater amount than the fallacy of electric vehicles.
A smart government would be encouraging companies to allow their staff to work form home where possible. This will take cars and bikes off the road. The technology exists and is reliable enough. You only have to look at the reduction in traffic during school holidays
It’s The crazy fanatics , every organisation has them but I’m afraid these have power & a large following , like you say join MAG but we need people to join like the wearing a crash helmet or a good jacket or nothing will change.
rishi sunak seems hell bent on removing transportation of any kind in britain.
all those diesel trains, all those international flights at the world's busiest airport, all those heavy goods vehicles.
he must have found a way to digest london clay too, as there will be no more farming and no more imports of food from elsewhere.
once this is achieved, where does he expect taxes to come from? because if people can't go to work and cant eat , he'll have a job..
I’ve a Euro 4 bike at the moment with all the emissions restrictions removed and will be hanging onto it for a long time to come as it’s getting more difficult to counteract these restrictions. It’s loud and smelly and I love it 😄.
Besides, it would probably take my ten years to even come close to the emissions an airplane dumps in one flight. Straight into the atmosphere with no chance of being dissipated.