Tidal vs Qobuz - Battle of the Streaming Services
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- GoldenSound compares the sound quality, library and features of two lossless music streaming services; Qobuz and Tidal
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00:00 - Intro
00:42 - Library Size
02:22 - Sound Quality
09:01 - Extra Features
12:35 - Conclusion - Розваги
CORRECTION: Qobuz and Tidal now can change sample rate automatically on MacOS. You do not need to manually adjust sample rate. (however this is frustratingly still the case for Apple Music)
I know we are a small userbase, but I would be really interested in knowing which of the apps are able to play lossless on a Linux based desktop. Thanks for all the hard work so far ☺️
When did that happen? The latest update? You may want to list the OS version that MacOS implemented this. I'm guessing 14.2.1 based on the timing of your correction, but.. that's only a guess.
I don't know about Quobuz but Tidal has had exclusive mode on both Mac and Windows for as long as I can remember, which is like six years at this point.
You have to select the DAC in your sound settings and also in Qobuz. The later is something you will have to do every time you start the app. You can have your system sounds go through your Mac pc witch is a convenient thing to do.
@krazyfrog exclusive mode and asio support are often associated with one another, but they're not really the same thing. Exclusive mode just blocks other processes in the OS, so only the app(in this case qobuz or tidal) is actually delivering audio to your dac. So you won't hear systems sounds and stuff. Asio/wasapi is what provides the bitperfect playback and matches your sample rate to the track that is playing. For example, Amazon music has exclusive mode, but not bit perfect playback.
For any Linux users watching this: PulseAudio will resample all your audio, Pipewire can be set to adjust the sample rate to whatever is playing but ALSA will always act like 'Exclusive Mode' and play bit-perfect. Both Qobuz and Tidal can be played through an app like Strawberry (a fork of Clementine) with an API key setup. Roon doesn't have a UI app on Linux, only the back end, so there aren't many other choices.
That's is good to know thank you
I watched your Qobuz summary a year or so ago. Best ever coverage. Your Tidal MQA experiment was outstanding, too. Genius.
What a great explanation and comparison between those two! Been using Tidal on Windows never thought changing the exclusive mode and deselected normalize volume would change so much on the streaming quality
Nice job. Perfect description of Roon and what it adds in not much space. I'm doing a streaming service showdown event for the Arizona Audio Video Club later this year. I'll reference this video and share some of your points.
Perhaps the best streaming service is the one we made along the way
Basically, our own flac library?
@@jayros Yes
@@maxmed7505it's true 😅
Well... I love to explore new Music.
Every single of our pirated cds
Awesome vid to start my Sunday off ❤
You are incorrect about direct connect to your DAC for Qobuz on Mac OS. Qobuz is allowed a direct connection to a USB DAC (I am using the Qobuz app, not just the website) and when you select your DAC within the Qobuz app, it controlls the sample rate of the DAC changing it effectively instantaniously to the sample rate and bit depth of the audio file with no third-party application required. This has been true for several years. It sounds much better than Tidal did back in the MQA days. I had no idea Tidal dropped MQA -- thank you for that excellent news!
That's correct
Yep. It includes an ASIO output option. Works well for me.
Absolutely Stellar info. Thanks so much! I'm going with Tidal.
Great video. One useful addition to this rating system and one that's important to me is who pays the artist more. Something to think about and maybe worth a video.
Tidal pays the most.
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm per my last review Qobuz actually paid more though that may have changed. Most of the articles reviewing artist payment don't even consider Qobuz a major streaming service and is not considered and that's usually when Tidal is rated as the most.
I got rid of tidal due to the MQA garbage.
Who cares if millionaires are getting paid? Let me guess, you work for one of them "artist" and want to get paid?
As a lifelong music lover and audio enthusiast, I really enjoy both Tidal and Qobuz through Roon. I use a Eversolo A6 connected to a Gustard R26 and am very pleased with the results.
So happy that Tidal dropped/are dropping MQA, felt like I had to use Qobuz's "just because". Even though, if I'm being totally honest, I wasn't able to hear any difference between MQA and lossless. Will still probably activate Qobuz every now and again because it's sort of fun with variation. Thanks GS!
Nice video i liked that it was really clear and technical at the same time. I was wondering though. Do you know if android also resamples if I stream tidal audio through a DAP, the sony wm1am2 to be specific?
Really hope there is a follow up adding Amazon Music and deezer into the mix - would be interesting to see how they stack to more "established" services
Both services you mention have not Bit Perfect so no competition against Tidal/Qobuz. Thats why is not included in the video i guess
Amazon on the windows app has exclusive mode enebling bit perfect playback, given that you keep choosing the right sampling rate on the dac settings window@@Nordi1_0745
@@Nordi1_0745 True, but i was wondering how the full package comparison compared to the others
@@Nordi1_0745Not true - Amazon has option to switch control of the sound card to "exclusive" mode. I use it on my PC
In regards to Qobuz getting confused when multiple artists share the same name; Tidal also has that issue, though, granted, that typically is only a problem when the artists are generally more underground.
It used to be like that, but from my experience Tidal also improved that. I couldn't find any mispoints for a while now.
@@echowoods4869got one for you.. Queen D
A good example on Tidal is Frank Marino, Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, and a German pop singer named Frank Marino.
Another good example is Dawnbreaker. It's broken on both platforms, while AM and Spot don't have the issue
An electronic music artist called asteria is also messed up on Tidal, his discography is mixed with some random rock songs
You've earned a subscriber Cuz that was great information.
Another great video Cam! Would like to hear what you think about Roon, Audirvana, Pine Player, etc?
Tidal has better selection, but I’ve run into situations where I heard distortion on tracks that wasn’t present on Qobuz. Some issue with compression I guess, but it was enough to make me wary of ever using Tidal again. Also, for me personally, as someone who listens to a lot of classical music, Qobuz is better in how it displays classical tracks and groups them (not perfect, but it at least tries to group movements of a single work together and it's usually successful. Tidal just winds up with the super long names of tracks that you see on Spotify and most other services that make navigating classical albums a pain. Qobuz makes an extra effort with classical, like Apple Music's dedicated classical app).
lies LOL
@@BleepBlop-rh9lmnot necessarily. First of all, there's no way of knowing that every track has officially been changed to flac from mqa. Or even worse, converting it back to flac. You should only ever convert from a lossless file format, never the other way around. Tidal could be being dishonest. Not to mention there are many anomalies that can happen in the stream itself, which is why CD is still the very best solution for Sq.
Just to clarify, the most recent example I was thinking of was not an MQA track, but just a standard CD quality FLAC track. It's Track 7 of Simon Preston's recording of Handel's Organ Concertos. I don't have a Tidal subscription anymore, so I can no longer test this, but when I compared the track on Qobuz vs. Tidal, I heard distortion in the high organ notes, the kind of distortion you'd hear in Spotify's free tier. It really just felt like the track was encoded wrong. It's possible it's fixed now. But no, I'm not lying. I wanted to use Tidal. Qobuz has pros, but the smaller selection really sucks sometimes, especially for indie music. Since I listen through Roon, Qobuz vs. Tidal's interface doesn't matter as much to me as sound quality. It should be the same, but this was an example where I found it to be different.@@gutsie2373
@@ninja_boyI believe you and tbh I never trusted Tidal. I'm guessing they did what I said they did, convert to flac as opposed to replacing the file with an original flac from wav conversion. In the MQA Era they were even applying EQ to the music, boosting the bass. I did many comparisons, tho maybe they stopped doing that. At the end of the day tho, qobuz is really the only service I trust. They're the only service that avoids gimmicks like the plague and they don't even let you do stupid shit like audio normilzation(destroying dynamic range). But even so, a stream is a stream. And even if it's close to CD, it isn't the same as these files pass through many computers with noisy components before reaching your device. Digitial audio is not truly digital, which is why things like ground loop isolators work. For the very best listening experience, CDs are still the way to go. That or downloads. But qobuz is pretty good.
Fantastic timing! I recently splurged on some hifi gear and have been comparing AM, Spotify, Qobuz, and Tidal.
While I really enjoy the UI and sound quality of AM, the fact that I can’t stream lossless on my windows computer and not at all on my android TV is a huge bummer. Spotify is by far the easiest to use across all platforms. I’ve found Tidal to be the superior service in terms of sound quality and finding music. It still has some drawbacks compared to Spotify.
I was lucky to find out Tidal offers first responder discounts so I may be continuing to use both that and Spotify.
Thank you all for the great work and I’ll continue to watch!
Great video as always! Is MQA completely gone on Tidal now? I gave up on it a few months back. I saw that they were rolling out FLAC as a replacement, but then also heard that brand new releases were still being added in MQA and that the rollout was generally quite patchy and had potentially stalled. What sort of percentage of the library is actually available in FLAC? I’d be interested to try Tidal again if most of the library has now switched over. Always enjoyed the UI, recommendations etc.
Ive only seen like 2 or 3 new releases in the past few months that came out in MQA, everything else is flac. A lot of old stuff is constantly getting updated to Flac, too, but there are still some older tracks that haven't been updated from MQA.
@@skyrimgod1218 nice! That sounds hopeful. I guess for the older releases it’s really down to the label bothering to send in the file for a second time in a different format. I suppose there’s only so much Tidal can do in that case. I was concerned when I heard about the new MQA releases - obviously the original master file would be tampered with before uploading in this instance. Seems strange to do so after announcing the switch to FLAC. By the sounds of it, they’re for the most part uploading the files exactly as they receive them, so a massive step in the right direction. Thanks for the reply!
Roon has still not been updated to play Tidal Max, so you get MQA from Tidal on Roon. It's supposed to be imminent but last I checked was still not updated.
I'd be interested to see a video on high res audio in general and when (or if) it makes sense. I read an article by Chris Montgomery aka xiphmont (of ogg vorbis fame) who wrote an article "24/192 Music Downloads ...and why they make no sense" which argues that higher bitrate is useless and higher sample rate can actually be detrimental. The original article on the xiph site isn't accessible any longer, but it seems to have been reuploaded, or you can use the way back machine.
Very good , super informative from a guy who really knows his stuff
Thank you 👍
I would really like to see you do a video about how to get the most out of Roon.
The whole mqa debacle turned me off to tidal permanently. I could listen 20 hours per day and never be bored with the choices available, qobuz is heaven for me!
They are switching everything to FLAC now. MQA is dead. The company that bought them is changing the name to something else and going to try selling it for other applications.
Great video.
I feel that you forgot a basic thing for most users, pricing.
Here in Spain, Tidal is significantly more expensive than Qobuz.
Also, apart from that, most of the music that I stream, seems to have a higher bitrate on Qobuz than Tidal. Not like you are going to notice that, but still something to consider.
Been with Tidal for a couple of years now but only recently upgraded to their top package as I have only just started getting into hi-res audio. Havent been disappointed so far, really enjoy their hi-res service.....sounds fantastic.
One album from my favorite band only has 320k file available and I don't know why 😢.
Which band is that ?@@kaiwenwu8148
suggested tracks are amazing on tidal. Try it.
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm Already done mate, bloody love it ! Discovered a LOT of music similar to what I normally like that I would never have found otherwise. Cheers man :-)
I love Qobuz because of the editorial stuff and how it’s more album focused. New way to explore music, I enjoy browsing and discovering new artists like that. Algorithm is good for mindless listening, parties, etc. But I still need to retain Spotify for the amazing recommendation algorithm when I do need that use case, and Apple Music for Spatial and the DJ mixes. Not sure what Tidal offers differently.
Excellent comparison video... loved the continuity from the Apple/Spotify video as well.
Very useful thanks.
Well done. Can you please consoder adding a follow-up video with the usability of those streaming services insidie hi-fi streamers/receivers? I want to add a streamer in my hi-fi sistem but most of them seem not to work with Apple Music lossless. Thanks
I think it would have been good to mention the Sublime option of Qobuz. Can really save a lot of money if you intend on buying music as well.
Not to mention that if you want the same audio quality on Tidal as Qobuz, you need to spend $20/month, as opposed to $10.83/month. If you spend the same on Tidal as you would Qobuz, you get only 44.1 khz, as opposed to 192khz. Idk about anyone else, but I'm not spending twice the monthly cost for the same audio quality just cause there's a *couple* songs still missing on Qobuz.
I moved from Tidal to Qobuz last year. Qobuz is cheaper, their catalog is largely identical to Tidal, and they have a more flexible/open API.
The one real thing I miss from tidal is their daily auto-curated playlists and track recommendations. Qobuz recommended tracks are just awful.
Suggested tracks on tidal is extremely useful. I have used both for several months. Qobuz's app is just not even close.
Agree - I get some very odd recommendations on the Discover playlist. Songs I just immediately skip. Their algorithms seems far inferior to eg. Spotify.
Makes one wonder how the recommended songs are chosen. Qobuz recs sux arse
Great job ! I’d like to add that Qobuz is available in a smaller number of countries than Tidal (there are workarounds). I personally use both, since Qobuz has a really great Europe-centric recommendation service that is well curated and unique.
True, but in fact Quobuz has well curated offers anywhere (I use it in Brazil) with great coverage of local music
Very good info, thank you. I have a questions, is using tidal via a chromebook losless capable? 🤔
Fantastic review as usual. Thank you!
As Roon user, from an absolutely pure sound quality perspective. I am not sure I understood if there is an advantage to Tidal or Qobuz when using Roon. I watched the video three times but I’m not sure I got the answer to that. The only thing I could assume at the end is that the overall functionality and songs recommendations edge went to Tidal but from the pure, pure sound quality perspective using Roon, are they equal? Can only assume it is?
I've heard a lot of people say qobuz is slightly better with audio quality and I agree it has a more natural sound to it and sounds cleaner but only by a little bit nothing crazy.
I agree with you about Tidal's recommendations, especially with the Daily Discovery playlist created each day.
Easy choice. Qobuz costs 12.50€ and Tidal 20€ per month for HighRes in Germany. I tried both and Qobuz sounded a tiny little better than Tidal; not too significant. I use it over Roon and all that downsampling through the OS doesn't matter, neither does any recommendation algorithm from the services. Roon is a must-have anyway, I love it.
Bingo - the cost difference is enormous
Get a vpn and put it for Argentine. You only need the vpn to sign up and I pay 0.80€ a month for 4 years now.
Dammit, prices in Switzerland are almost double of neighboring Germany, even though those streaming services do not maintain any infrastructure in so-called „expensive“ Switzerland and VAT in Germany is more than double than the Swiss one. SCAM!
Roon is great but not cheap. Advantageous if you have already a considerable library of ripped CDs or downloads..
@@enjoshi-godrez8775As far as I know, this doesn't really work any more
Yeah i just recently bought the Bowers & Wilkins headphones as a nice treat for myself. I noticed that it supports up Hi Res audio so i looked for a Hi Res streaming service as i was kinda getting bored of using Spotify. So far i have been blown away when i started using Qobuz. On spotify all i ever seen was the daily mixes of the genres i listen to but was getting bored of that as it began to feel dull, but my experience using so far is really good. I know i will in the future get a sound system to match the HiRes sound as well but now now. I'm just half way through my free sub to Qobuz. Do think that i should still try Tidal?
Plus another thing i do like about Qobuz it takes me out of my comfort zone with new music that i would never listen to on spotify because it may not be in any of the playlists their. I guess what im trying to say is that im enjoying my experience so far. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
Plus the price for Hi Res audio Qobuz seams to a slightly better choice
Tidal is killing it. Suggested tracks on Tidal is crazy good lately. I'm loving all the suggested tracks.
To dam expensive for music , tidal need to adjust because they are not way better than the rest in sound quality
@@Angel-AbC9 Anything is better than Spotify and Tidal currently has the best music quality on the market, along with Qobuz. But Tidal is better than Qobuz in terms of UI and content.
@@Angel-AbC9same price as spotify now
Great explanation 👍 what are ur thoughts on usb audio player Pro is there a video of urs on that?
Hi awesome review again 😒😂
But if you just get the first tear of Tidal r u getting lossless/hi-res?
🙏🏾
Also, on windows you don't need to use wasapi exclusive mode on qobuz. You can go into your audio settings, choose your output device and change the bit rate. For example, I don't have anything that's higher than 192kHz so I have my k9 pro output set to "32 bit, 192000 Hz (Studio Qualtiy)" as the format.
These videos don't make any mention of how much artists get paid by the service per stream. For me that's a pretty big consideration and why I ended up subscribing to TIDAL. TIDAL is also compatible with Serato DJ, which is actually a pretty clutch feature.
Absolutely excellent and important point. Sadly, few people consider that when choosing.
I know a lot of musicians whose incomes have taken a huge hit from streaming. Most artists are not household names and their tracks do not get streamed 10 million times. They used to make enough money selling records and touring that they didn't need a "day job." That changed with streaming.
I'm happy to pay a few dollars extra for TIDAL to better support these artists, so they will keep making records we enjoy.
Other things we can do is buy their music directly from their own website, or Bandcamp if that's where they sell their stuff. Or better yet, buy their music from the merch tables at their shows. If you buy an artist's CD from Amazon, the artist gets relatively little, though still more than streaming in most cases.
Thanks for raising this issue.
question about volume level when streaming qobuz from an ios device are talking volume on the iphone or in the qobuz app and is qobuz connect going to happen?
Was very happy when Qobuz recently came to Canada, but was immediately disappointed to find out that many of the hi res albums I want to buy simply aren't available to Canadians through their service.
The closing line of the comparison: "there really isn't much reason not to go with Tidal." Well.. there's always the fact that it costs more.
It doesn't anymore. From April their premium package will be £10.99/month.
Max kudos for using the RODE NT1 4th gen, it is such a gem microphone. Too bad it is discontinued now due to the 5th gen. I actually bought a NT1 4th gen with the Rycote shockmount openbox on eBay just last week, it's quite the vintage at this point.
This video came at the perfect moment in my life! I'm missing Tidal (spotify only nowdays) mostly for the other audio quality options, but i had some issues with the app on Windows. This hole situation got me thinking: should i give Qobuz a second try? Well, hope this video help with that 😅
Tidal’s made quite a few quality of life improvements in their desktop app over the last couple months. It still has a few hiccups here and there but to me, it’s a small price to pay.
I wish Spotify would hurry up and release their lossless subscription tier.
@@velvetjones8634 I know right! I keep supporting Spotify because it's the best at everything, except sound quality obviously.
I had Tidal for a while but it kept presenting me with Hip Hop and Rap, both of which I don't listen to, so I went to Qobuz. I really like to own my own music files and if you get the costlier service, you often get very good discounts on your purchases.
PS: The Hig Res library in Tidal is a very small percentage of the 100 million plus songs they advertise
Thank you for the very good video
I have an Android phone and had Tidal for a couple of years and it was great. Then i wanted to try other apps: Apple Music, Amazon, Deezer and Qobuz but they all felt different than my experience with Tidal. I think the bypassing of the Android resampling explains it all. I'm now convinced to swich back to Tidal and they lower their prices, in Mexico at least. Even better.
On my iMac, if I use the Qobuz desktop app and select the DAC (RME ADI-2 DAC fs in my case) in the audio output (Speaker icon, bottom right of the desktop app) the DAC displays the same sample rate as the streaming app without doing anything in the MIDI settings. I've listened to songs that have 16/44.1 and Hi Res (say 24/96) versions and there is an audible difference between the two. The Qobuz app seems to be bypassing the iOS sound controls if you chose the DAC rather than "Built-in Output" in audio output in the app. I have no other way of measuring the output other than my DAC but the DAC displays the same bit/sample rate as the app.. Am I missing something?
You are right. Qobuz has a built-in ASIO option that works great.
Can you tell me where you get those mini albums art on your back wall, thanks
Tidal on Mac has exclusive mode in the settings that will auto-change bit and sample when on.
Careful with volume though.
Make sure to lower the volume in the app itself.
So does Qobuz. They both will play bit-perfect through their respective apps.
really? Where is that?
Same name artists are an issue on Tidal too. I had personally requested to fix an artist on Tidal which was fixed.
That was another great video!
I sadly cannot play qobuz as it isn't available in my country. But i did buy few albums from qobuz it was a great way of supporting the artist.
As someone who has a good jpop library (modern Japanese music) and some Japanese folk songs. Apple music/Spotify actually comes out on top in terms of library size. But the quality is a lot better in apple music than Spotify. I don't know if it matters to anyone just thought of mentioning it. One big reason could be apple being very popular in Japan.
Also Qobuz launched in Japan this year with the help of collaboration between phillie web so I guess the jpop and jfolk library might get better as the time goes by.
Why not Amazon Music to the comparison ? I've listened to both services and they are identical using the same track sample rates played bitperfect via a Bluesound Node 21 and PS Audio DirectStream Sr. DAC (MK1).
Personally subbed to Qobuz sublime. The discounts it gives for purchases is excellent and I still get to support my favorite artists.
I am confused. I do understand with a DAC on my android smartphone I do not have any troubles, but on my Macbook? You said I have to adjust it with MIDI options manually? But I found out that there is Tidal option where you can add you DAC for sound output. So???
@GoldenSound Given your proclivity for thorough and balanced reviews, would you ever consider doing a vid on the difference between sound and music, and where they diverge, especially for an audiophile? It probably exists multiple places elsewhere on the Net, but your opinions would be particularly valuable to me due to your wide-ranging experience with high-end gear and a variety of sources. It's more of a philosophical debate, but I'm afraid the audiophile hobby will always be at risk for chasing sound over music. Thank you for your efforts and consideration!
but what about using hi-ress wireless? Is there any difference in streaming quality between tidal and qobuz regarding Android and windows? I plan on buying an LDAC headphone, so that's my concern
I'd love a video comparing Audirvana and Roon.
Looking to purchase a questyle m15i with tidal while using my iPhone. The m15i has no volume buttons to set the volume to high. I presume this will still give me bit perfect audio?
At 5:58, he mentions the need to have volume at max on iOS devices to achieve lossless playback. Why is that so?
I don't understand. If I reduce the volume to 85% on my iPhone even when I have an external USB-C DAC connected to it, am I no longer getting lossless playback?
And when I increase the volume to 100%, I start to get 'lossless' playback? WTF?
I never thought volume had anything to do with lossless playback.
I always thought it was more things like resampling of audio, bit rate, sampling freqeuncy, etc. that mattered...
I started streaming through Qobuz, for 1 year. Then I turned to Tidal for 2 years. Due to recommendations from several audio reviewers I considered going back to Qobuz. I managed to compare them for one week, just before the date of prolonging Tidal of quitting was there. And there it was. Qobuz sounded better. Not a whole lot, but defnitely anyway. A singer whether male or female came one or two steps too close to the microphone it seemed when using Tidal. Qobuz sounded less immediate, but better balanced and a bit more relaxed. That was when I quit Tidal. I do use roon, by the way.
Same here with upnp. I think ironically tidal’s unique selling point that is objectively superior to Qobuz is harnessing an mqa certified dac where the rendering is therefore done in the dac with using the tidal connect which I know sounds better than Qobuz connect (which I think uses chromecast)
Glad to hear your comments on Tidals Dolby Atmos Music . Qobuz lack of Android apps selected devices only. and should you not do a vid on Roon by itself as I cannot get my head round why I would pay a subscription for roon ,maybe you can put me straight. Thanks for the vid
Did you check if you are actually getting 44.1 out of tidal? For quite a while now even though I select exclusive mode in tidal the audio still gets resampled. Doesn't matter if I'm in uac2 or uac3. Other people have noticed the same. Always worked before, but not anymore. It might be an issue that android 14 has caused but I'm not sure
I've run both Qobuz and Tidal on macOS and they both have "exclusive mode" to an external dac (at least to my iFI Zen v2), bypassing the need to alter MIDI
Bitperfect output should be supported even if it's irrelevant to many due to practicality like volume control, eq, multiple sound sources,...
Thank you for this video! I was a Tidal user for years. The video you made on MQA prompted me to move to Qobuz. This video prompted me to rejoin Tidal. I’ve used audio player pro with Qobuz with my Android phone. No offline content was a bummer. Tidal being able to by-pass USB limitations directly from app is cool! When I do that and run music directly to my Cayin RU7 dongle. Hi-res music only shows as 384KHZ, nothing else. Why? Can you shed light on this?
"384 KHZ" ? Hmm.. thought Tidals Hifi Plus (which is double the price of Qobuz) only produces 192K?
@@BumpNrun69 that's the problem. The RU7 shows it as 384? Strange.
Tidal does offer exclusive mode on MacOS, allowing lossless streaming
Next level stuff lad.
Where did you get all your album art on the wall?
Roon will add both and give great recommendations.
I currently have just subbed to Qobuz having previously had Spotify for a couple of years and am halfway through a trial with Tidal. Why did I go with Qobuz? Sound really, and, one of the most important things you didn't mention: Gapless playback - not to be confused with the 'Gapless' feature offered by Spotify that takes out a gap between 'songs'. I'm talking about playing a work (opera is a good example...and the often mentioned Dark Side of the Moon) that is recorded continuously and then has tracks as access points. Spotify won't play gapless consistently, Qobuz does via it's own app. and via Playfi streamer on all the 'difficult' albums I have (try Beethoven Live, 32 variations, Kissin...some of the 33 tracks are as little as 11 secs long!).Tidal is a mixed picture - ok via it's own app. but dodgy via Playfi and HEOS. So it's Qobuz.
One thing that both Tidal and Qobuz do extremely badly for classical is track info. On albums featuring more than one composer we are never told which track or work is written by which composer! This simply is not good enough.
I currently use Qobuz but damn, every time I turn around a track or album I had saved is no longer available. Sometimes there’s not even another option. It’s completely gone. Wonder if tidal has this issue.
So if I'm outputting my Qobuz via an optical cable then I am NOT getting true lossless? If so, what bitrate is it sending down the line?
Agree 100%, Roon is amazing. I use Qobuz. I love the sound quality. I still have issues with Tidal. I don't listen to Hip-Hop yet it keeps trying to shove it down my throat. So, I'll stick to the sweet sweet quality sound that comes out of Qobuz, even if it is a bit more clunky.
Quick question I disable volume normalization, but if I lower the volume from the app, since Tidal control the volume in exclusive mode. Does the audio quality is lower when I turn the volume down inside the app?
what is the dac on 6:31 that shows sample rate automatically? thanks in advance
On my android DAP (fiiom15) I get 24/192 as output via Qobuz, android doesn't seem to convert it to 48khz - does it do so on all other android devices or can it be bypassed?
Question: I was informed that with Android 14, direct lossless output was possible without interference. Is that not accurate?
Does anybody know how many albums of the total libraries of Qobuz and tidal are in CD quality and how many above (hires)? I'm afraid that Qobuz still might have more HiRes (in absolute number as well as percentage of the library)
My iBasso DC04 pro comes with it's own app that will play anything lossless or at whatever bitrate it comes in. Works just like that Tidal thing but for all players on my phone. I'm sure other dongle dacs have those as well. Anyway Usb Audio Player Pro is a great app. Of course when you just use the app as a controller to your streamer, android is not an issue.
is the same feature available in the iBasso DC03 pro as well?
@@dhanushan003 the app works with all DC series iBasso DAC s
@7:42 wow strange, I've been running Qobuz with automatic bit/samplerate switching within the system to my DAC for quite some time. I am running Toslink out though (it's an older mac). Double checked to make sure im not going mad, so yea it auto changes samplerate but not bitrate... so I guess it's resampling it then if running a 16bit track through 24bit to DAC?
Good to know MQA is gone, when I tested Tidal & Qobuz in the past Qobuz just sounded better to me, must go back for another comparion then so...
Is there any subjective sound difference between the two? I hear ppl one better than the other? What are your thoughts?
If I use a dap like the shanling m6 ultra which app gives the looseless best service?
On Qobuz for MacOS you do not need to change or force the quality in the OS. This application uses API from CoreAudio to manage audio output settings, so the application will automatically set the audio device according to the quality of the track. Open the Audio Device setting on Mac and play tracks from Qobuz with different quality, you will see that the frequency will automatically change.
There was some talk about Android 14 not resampling audio anymore automatically. Has it been implemented? Is there any way to check this?
I thought the same but I'm on tidal and that takes over my qudelix.
Ohh ok. I unfortunately cannot have tidal as it's not available in my country... Have to make do with local flac files....
3:00 small correction, Apple Music also compresses your music, but using lossless compression. Still saves bandwidth compared to raw.
I dropped Qobuz in favor of Tidal based on the issue I had with Qobuz on desktop (Mac) and mobile. Both Qobuz apps were playing EQed sound with the extensive drop in the mid range. That made vocals and brass sound silly.
So if i got this right, my Sony DAP (android) will downsample my high res tracks?
Plz do a review of the Triangle Borea BR08 behind you.
I A/B tested TIDAL vs Amazon HD for three months, and preferred the sound and cost of Amazon HD.
I like what they do because it makes downloading lossless music much easier nowadays and you don't have to look for the CDs or the whole albums. I just set my DAC to a higher sampling rate and bit depth in order to avoid resampling loss and software volume control dynamic range loss.
Except “looking for” the CDs is piss easy, usually cheaper, you get to pick the mastering, you know the source hasn’t been messed with, and you have a backup that can’t possibly be fried by any power source because it’s sat on a shelf or in a drawer.
You are very wrong about Tidal on macOS. It does indeed support AUTOMATIC output sample rate switching. If you select the exclusive option for the output device in the Tidal app, (you can access this by clicking on the speaker icon on the playing pane on the bottom of the screen and select 'more settings' beside the output device) then output sample rate is automatically adjusted, no fiddling with the Audio Midi Setup required. In fact, if you have the Audio Midi Setup utility open you can see the sample rate being automatically changed. PS I'm being told that Qobuz does similarly so it seems you're wrong on both counts.
So if i use my android phone to stream music from tidal I will need some kind of media player to play lossless music? If I don't have a media player will it ateast play cd quality with tidal and andriod?
Wow! My Triangle Borea speakers here, great!!!
Not sure about everywhere else but in my region (Switzerland) one month of Qobuz costs 15 CHF and Tidal 25 CHF, same high quality level. Huge difference honestly. Cost is also an important decision factor. Thanks for the video
Use the Argentina VPN trick
Hungary: Tidal Hifi Plus ~ 8 EUR/month, Qobuz: not available :(
I took a Qobuz subscription a few years back since they were the only service offering consistent Hires quality, with Tidal as the only competitor lagging behind due to their decision to use MQA. I stick with it now since a) I anyway have an extensive own music library in Roon that I can stream anywhere using Roon ARC and use streaming as an add-on and b) because it is 45% cheaper than Tidal where I live (169 CHF for a yearly plan vs 300 CHF per year for Tidal). One thing I was missing in this video btw was a true audio quality comparison. I did some comparisons myself a few years back and found Qobuz consistently superior in that regard, but that is probably because Tidal still was using MQA at the time.
Finally, would be interesting to see which tracks you were missing in Qobuz so I can check if Qobuz has the license here locally. I have found their library indeed lacking a bit: for example, I cannot find most albums by American postrock band Tortoise in their library.