@TREXTraining Would you do it from the initial set up of the sling on the rifle as well as manipulations? I've installed several on ARs, and I'm curious if I set them up correctly. The placement of sling swivels for the correct location of the slider, etc would be absolutely fantastic!
@@ghost8six Your exactly right jealous people who cant actually shoot and think on military people are the best at everything. And that is right he puts out super good content thats educational for FREE and actually shows off his skills unlike others. That is why Lucas is a legend and i fully support him and his team
What real world experience does he have other than one way range games - any military, L.E., Corrections, armed security, unarmed mall cop... anything???? Enlighten me.
@@justanothergunnerd8128 It does not matter what real world experience he has. He post all his shooting on here and shows it all off. There are tons of folks non Law enforcement and non Military who are really fast and accurate. Lucas trains with Military guys and they admit they cant keep up.
Haven't been this early to TRex in many years so just wanna say thanks for teaching me a lot of what I know, I've been paying the knowledge forward to my fellow sailors on my ship's boarding team and also fellow citizens in everyday life. Your gear and content has been a boon to me and my friends. Keep up the good stuff Lucas. Love and prayers from Florida.
I thought this was going to be about muzzle breaks, adjustable gas blocks, buffer weights and springs, ect. Nice idea starting with points of contact and the things you can do to mitigate recoil with any platform.
Just a idea- A video or short on decent drills to practice on a flat range where movement isn’t allowed. I know I could benifits a lot from something like that.
Thank you for making content for all these years. You touched on this topic previously in a video years ago, but I would like to see a new one reflecting on WML placement (left or right) and relation to the muzzle device (will it damage it if you go too far forward?). Perhaps with testing muzzle blast from comps/brakes in slow mo? Neither of these are probably not a fit for this channel but but sling usage and placement as well.
Daniel Horner put out a video about this last week with very similar info. If 2 high level shooters are saying the same thing, there’s a reason. It works.
@@TREXTraining yes. Week 3 is “rifle body position” and he goes over how feet, posture, and shoulder pocket/roll are the most important aspects of recoil management.
Practice makes muscle memory. Bad practice leads to bad habits, but that is what practice is for, correcting mistakes. If you wanna get better, you gotta pick up your gear and practice.
I’ve heard some practical shooters saying they don’t run foregrips or hand stops for other barrier shooting or 3d objects like hoods. I’ve also heard them can their tall mounts because they say it presents more issues than solutions.
Skinny guy like you. I actually get bruising matching rubber stock pattern. Struggle with what correct stock placement in my shoulder should be. Trying to keep it below my collar bone I often struggle to get my face down low enough for low mounts and trying to get cheek weld like i was used to from basic. Need to maybe embrace more head up mid height stuff since I'm messing with a pvs 14 as well.
Lucas taught me something Looked at thumbnail Noticed he has new trendy 7 inch high red dot riser, yet his chin still sits below stock Looked at my face and chin and realized I have a negative sized shin with a 3 inch face Been wondering for some time now why I wasn’t behind these super high optics (literally and metaphorically) it’s cuz my face is the size of a newborn child’s face
Helps, unless your running a plate carrier. Personally I also found that experimenting with different stock models (especially buttstock shape styles) payes off. Once you know what to look for in your mount and stance, finding a stock that feels the most natural in the exact position you want it to be helps with consistency.
Ear cups don’t need to be perfectly over the ear. You can raise them a little bit to give some extra space. Other than that, it’s a whole lot of shoot and figure it out. A decent, intentional, and consistent cheek weld is better than a perfect, inconsistent because you’re fighting it cheek weld, that will also strain your neck for no reason
Wear a low pro earplug under your over ear protection like a pair of surefire sonic defenders with the filters open and you can get consistent placement everytime even if it "bumps" the over ear pro and causes them to lose seal with your ears.
I think the whole “loadout” thing is highly overrated. People (I’m not talking about you, friend) tend to spend way too much time and money obsessing over “kit” because it’s easier and more fun than learn how to program/use radios, land nav, dryfire, etc… All you need is a reliable AR-15 with a sling, white light, and reliable optic (preferably with magnification); a reliable pistol; a belt that can hold the pistol and at least a spare magazine; a radio for comms (Baofeng is fine); an IFAK; a chest rig that can hold 6ish rifle mags; and possibly a plate carrier (that can integrate with your chest rig) if you intend to do static defense like a traffic control point as part of your neighborhood watch. You’ll want a midsize backpack for sustainment gear while you’re on security patrol or static defense. That’s about it. Other stuff like thermals, NODs, lasers, etc… are great, but most people need to spend way more money on ammo for training plus long term storage water, food, and medications.
Lucas, what do you think about the “push-pull” technique? Pushing towards the shoulder and pushing out from the barrel, like shooting a pump action shotgun. Awesome content.
It doesn’t do anything useful, and now you have one direction of pressure that is fighting against the other. Which can lead to problems if you all of a sudden are pushing more forwards than pulling back. It leads to all sorts of inconsistency
Would be cool to see you and Brandon run a stage using gun floated high in shoulder + skyscraper mount vs standard height. Think the HF difference would be indisputable
So your saying that I need to grip my rifle’s shaft and kiss the stock with my cheek. Sorry sir I’m not ready for type of relationship with my rifle ☺️
Feet a little over shoulder width apart, dominant side a little bit back, be athletic and not uncoordinated. There, you’re now learned. It’s not that deep
The only time i hear that cheek position is a part of recoil management is here... If the gun is jumping without having your cheek on it. Does that not mean you dont have the stock already in a bit of a bad spot. And also not using the grip and support hand enough to pull the gun into you ? Like said, 223 / 556 does not have major recoil. So if you have a good grip on it and its against your body. It should not go anywhere and having your cheek pressed against it doesnt really add much then.
Feet a little over shoulder width apart, dominant side a little bit back, be athletic and not uncoordinated. There, you’re now learned. It’s not that deep
Standing fire out to 100m? Sure, but only to cover the second it takes to hit the dirt or get to cover and continue from a better position. And 100m offhand is easy, it's the get down a realign fast that is tricky
one thing to consider here for me personally - i'm not interested in being the fastest gun in the West lol .. I'm a LEO and a shooter for defensive purposes, i need to control (as much as possible) every round I send .. yeah someone may beat my flat range time on a shooting drill, but there are so many other factors to a real gunfight that makes being able to put 5 rounds in a tight group in .2 seconds not very important in the overall scheme of things...
He’s training shooting not training a gunfight, you train skills not scenarios, skills will transfer over to scenarios once they are so engrained in your mind and muscle memory.
Shooting to stop someone offensively or defensively requires shooting the best possible rounds in the fastest times on that person (obviously subjective to the scenario/target presentation). The better your fundamentals are of recoil management, sight index, and overall control - the better off you will be. You're most likely going to be shooting way below your flat-range level of skill in a real situation, so make sure that level of skill exhibited on the flat range is VERY high.
Your goal should always be to be the most accurate in the least amount of time. Train accuracy then add speed. Your group will spread, then maintain speed and apply principles to tighten your group more. Train with scenarios that challenge your decision making then. If you are slower than your opponent, you are dead.
Drills like this build foundational skills, and refine technique in a very precise way. There's a reason a boxer does bag work, focus mitts, speedbags, and other things, and not just spar. "Training for a defensive shooting", is a phenomenon that can vary so heavily, you have no choice but to build up different foundational skills through different drills. Handwaving away "flat range" stuff like this just seems arrogant.
@ricky2699 we get it you can’t do this. It’s easy to create some fantastical reason why this is bad, it’s a lot harder to learn how to do this. The goal of this skill isolation is to improve mount, rifle connection, thus improving overall recoil management. The engagement strategy in LE is always reactive. Lucas, nor anyone else is advocating you just rip .12 splits at 35 yards on a subject in a mall.
adding a suppressor is the main thing cuts the recoil by 50% at least.. and then reps. if you don't shoot you aren't helping yourself. none of this will do anything unless you get out and feel the recoil understand the system you have and what ammo you shoot. i mean 55 gr is softer then 77... so get out and train
Video on sling manipulations would be nice or even a short on them
Consider it done
@TREXTraining Would you do it from the initial set up of the sling on the rifle as well as manipulations? I've installed several on ARs, and I'm curious if I set them up correctly. The placement of sling swivels for the correct location of the slider, etc would be absolutely fantastic!
Keep these videos coming, I can't get enough of them!!!
How can anyone hate on this guy? Thank you Lucas for making quality content the right way along with educating and teaching the 2A community.
Probably because he can outshoot them, and most gun guys have super big ego's. Yet what company has put out more free content to help train people?
@@ghost8six Your exactly right jealous people who cant actually shoot and think on military people are the best at everything. And that is right he puts out super good content thats educational for FREE and actually shows off his skills unlike others. That is why Lucas is a legend and i fully support him and his team
What real world experience does he have other than one way range games - any military, L.E., Corrections, armed security, unarmed mall cop... anything???? Enlighten me.
@@justanothergunnerd8128What does “real world experience” have to do with shooting good?
@@justanothergunnerd8128 It does not matter what real world experience he has. He post all his shooting on here and shows it all off. There are tons of folks non Law enforcement and non Military who are really fast and accurate. Lucas trains with Military guys and they admit they cant keep up.
Haven't been this early to TRex in many years so just wanna say thanks for teaching me a lot of what I know, I've been paying the knowledge forward to my fellow sailors on my ship's boarding team and also fellow citizens in everyday life. Your gear and content has been a boon to me and my friends. Keep up the good stuff Lucas. Love and prayers from Florida.
Great follow up to the original TREX ARMS channel "How to control rifle recoil" from 5 years ago (4/4/2019)
Grateful for this! I'm tired of all the product reviews in my feed.
Too complicated, am bleeding out
Oof
Did you try putting it in rice
@@justinkpryde was I supposed to wait for the water to stop boiling?
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I thought this was going to be about muzzle breaks, adjustable gas blocks, buffer weights and springs, ect. Nice idea starting with points of contact and the things you can do to mitigate recoil with any platform.
Technique will always make a bigger difference over equipment.
@@TREXTraining absolutely!!!
Keep em coming Lucus! Maybe do a deep dive into the doubles drill and how to diagnose trends! I'm positive people will receive it well!!!
You can really see the influence ben stoeger and matt pranka have had on Lucas recently. Im here for it.
These videos rock, thank you so much for starting this channel
Great content!!! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Thanks ,excellent as always
Digging this focused training channel 🇺🇸
Just a idea-
A video or short on decent drills to practice on a flat range where movement isn’t allowed. I know I could benifits a lot from something like that.
Thank you for making content for all these years. You touched on this topic previously in a video years ago, but I would like to see a new one reflecting on WML placement (left or right) and relation to the muzzle device (will it damage it if you go too far forward?). Perhaps with testing muzzle blast from comps/brakes in slow mo? Neither of these are probably not a fit for this channel but but sling usage and placement as well.
Handgun next please!
We got you
Daniel Horner put out a video about this last week with very similar info. If 2 high level shooters are saying the same thing, there’s a reason. It works.
I’ll need to watch his. Is that on his training site?
@@TREXTraining yes. Week 3 is “rifle body position” and he goes over how feet, posture, and shoulder pocket/roll are the most important aspects of recoil management.
This is valuable. Thank you
Practice makes muscle memory. Bad practice leads to bad habits, but that is what practice is for, correcting mistakes. If you wanna get better, you gotta pick up your gear and practice.
Great video. Thanks!
I’ve heard some practical shooters saying they don’t run foregrips or hand stops for other barrier shooting or 3d objects like hoods. I’ve also heard them can their tall mounts because they say it presents more issues than solutions.
I see a drill from adaptive rifle, have done that drill with my class few weeks ago, love the 4 pairs
Instructions unclear the butstock went through my shoulder
Next evolution learning, induction training, diagnostics and cleaning up the kit to low drag. I like it!
Skinny guy like you. I actually get bruising matching rubber stock pattern. Struggle with what correct stock placement in my shoulder should be. Trying to keep it below my collar bone I often struggle to get my face down low enough for low mounts and trying to get cheek weld like i was used to from basic. Need to maybe embrace more head up mid height stuff since I'm messing with a pvs 14 as well.
This was actually really helpful. Thanks!
Don’t necessarily agree with everything Lucas has to say or believes, but the quality of information is near the top.
As it should be. Nobody should agree with someone else on all things.
Gret video, someone has been spending some time with Pranka and Stoeger.
A lot of time. Haha
Great job breaking it down! Despite being familiar with these concepts and training methods this video was still helpful.
Keep it coming!
Lucas taught me something
Looked at thumbnail
Noticed he has new trendy 7 inch high red dot riser, yet his chin still sits below stock
Looked at my face and chin and realized I have a negative sized shin with a 3 inch face
Been wondering for some time now why I wasn’t behind these super high optics (literally and metaphorically) it’s cuz my face is the size of a newborn child’s face
If I remember correctly Stoeger talks about placing the stock slightly closer to the center of the chest, not in the shoulder pocket. Thoughts?
Helps, unless your running a plate carrier. Personally I also found that experimenting with different stock models (especially buttstock shape styles) payes off. Once you know what to look for in your mount and stance, finding a stock that feels the most natural in the exact position you want it to be helps with consistency.
I think either works, also depends on body type and armor. The main thing is having a good connection and good rearward pressure.
How about tecoil on a rifle with recoil? Like a AR10?
It does have recoil. I'm strong too.
Can you make an intro to long range shooting
Thanks for everything you guys do. God bless you and your family
What is that stock?
Love this content
Tips for good check weld with over-ear pro?
Ear cups don’t need to be perfectly over the ear. You can raise them a little bit to give some extra space. Other than that, it’s a whole lot of shoot and figure it out. A decent, intentional, and consistent cheek weld is better than a perfect, inconsistent because you’re fighting it cheek weld, that will also strain your neck for no reason
Wear a low pro earplug under your over ear protection like a pair of surefire sonic defenders with the filters open and you can get consistent placement everytime even if it "bumps" the over ear pro and causes them to lose seal with your ears.
Let's go
Hate this tw*nk but without a doubt some of the best instruction on youtube
What do you guys zero your piggy back red dots at?
I usually do 50m
is that the secret vortex short scope ?
Yep
This is great info
Really hoping to see some DMR/bolt gun drills on here! Keep it up guys
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Solid!
It’s really only an issue if the rifle weighs more than you
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@trexarms what's your take on the state of the world? Should you be going over shtf gear load outs? Rifles and carriers...
Jesus Christ loves you so much and died for your sins✝️!
I think the whole “loadout” thing is highly overrated. People (I’m not talking about you, friend) tend to spend way too much time and money obsessing over “kit” because it’s easier and more fun than learn how to program/use radios, land nav, dryfire, etc…
All you need is a reliable AR-15 with a sling, white light, and reliable optic (preferably with magnification); a reliable pistol; a belt that can hold the pistol and at least a spare magazine; a radio for comms (Baofeng is fine); an IFAK; a chest rig that can hold 6ish rifle mags; and possibly a plate carrier (that can integrate with your chest rig) if you intend to do static defense like a traffic control point as part of your neighborhood watch.
You’ll want a midsize backpack for sustainment gear while you’re on security patrol or static defense.
That’s about it. Other stuff like thermals, NODs, lasers, etc… are great, but most people need to spend way more money on ammo for training plus long term storage water, food, and medications.
@@EuropaChronicles ive gotten all the things you mentioned, just autism man. I like to see what other professionals have in mind👍🏻
Im surprised push pull isn't in this video
Because it’s not a good way to teach
why no suppressor??
Less gas inhalation
Lucas, what do you think about the “push-pull” technique? Pushing towards the shoulder and pushing out from the barrel, like shooting a pump action shotgun. Awesome content.
It doesn’t do anything useful, and now you have one direction of pressure that is fighting against the other. Which can lead to problems if you all of a sudden are pushing more forwards than pulling back. It leads to all sorts of inconsistency
Thanks.! Really cool content. Faithful watcher here.
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Would be cool to see you and Brandon run a stage using gun floated high in shoulder + skyscraper mount vs standard height. Think the HF difference would be indisputable
I have the need, the need for speed
How about this; bring on a regular dude and have him run some of these drills and see if he can improve onsite.
Pick me up I want to come play with guns
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How about rolling and shrugging your shoulder up?
No. You’re using auxiliary muscle groups for no reason
Train hard
So your saying that I need to grip my rifle’s shaft and kiss the stock with my cheek. Sorry sir I’m not ready for type of relationship with my rifle ☺️
😂😂😂
Can you guys do a video on shooting stance please?
Feet a little over shoulder width apart, dominant side a little bit back, be athletic and not uncoordinated. There, you’re now learned. It’s not that deep
@@Jay_Spesh_Stay_Fresh amazing. Truly ground breaking
The only time i hear that cheek position is a part of recoil management is here...
If the gun is jumping without having your cheek on it.
Does that not mean you dont have the stock already in a bit of a bad spot. And also not using the grip and support hand enough to pull the gun into you ?
Like said, 223 / 556 does not have major recoil. So if you have a good grip on it and its against your body. It should not go anywhere and having your cheek pressed against it doesnt really add much then.
I love that the fad of having vertical grips on rifles is going away
Def not a "fad"...it's standard equipment that has been around forever...
Stance?
Feet a little over shoulder width apart, dominant side a little bit back, be athletic and not uncoordinated. There, you’re now learned. It’s not that deep
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1:55 not gonna lie, I’m kinda disturbed by how many staples are holding up the targets 😂
Jeez! 😂
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Yer shootin too fast there sonny boy. Don't ya know it's 1 shot per second?
Standing fire out to 100m? Sure, but only to cover the second it takes to hit the dirt or get to cover and continue from a better position.
And 100m offhand is easy, it's the get down a realign fast that is tricky
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yeah dude
Push-Pull ?
No
I’m disappointed with how loose your jeans are.
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Cheek welds are dead.
…by people who suck at shooting. Lol
Hi! Add please basic courses (pistol, rifle, different positions, transition between positions, lightning, laser, nightvision etc.). Thank you...
one thing to consider here for me personally - i'm not interested in being the fastest gun in the West lol .. I'm a LEO and a shooter for defensive purposes, i need to control (as much as possible) every round I send .. yeah someone may beat my flat range time on a shooting drill, but there are so many other factors to a real gunfight that makes being able to put 5 rounds in a tight group in .2 seconds not very important in the overall scheme of things...
He’s training shooting not training a gunfight, you train skills not scenarios, skills will transfer over to scenarios once they are so engrained in your mind and muscle memory.
Shooting to stop someone offensively or defensively requires shooting the best possible rounds in the fastest times on that person (obviously subjective to the scenario/target presentation). The better your fundamentals are of recoil management, sight index, and overall control - the better off you will be. You're most likely going to be shooting way below your flat-range level of skill in a real situation, so make sure that level of skill exhibited on the flat range is VERY high.
Your goal should always be to be the most accurate in the least amount of time. Train accuracy then add speed. Your group will spread, then maintain speed and apply principles to tighten your group more. Train with scenarios that challenge your decision making then. If you are slower than your opponent, you are dead.
Drills like this build foundational skills, and refine technique in a very precise way. There's a reason a boxer does bag work, focus mitts, speedbags, and other things, and not just spar. "Training for a defensive shooting", is a phenomenon that can vary so heavily, you have no choice but to build up different foundational skills through different drills. Handwaving away "flat range" stuff like this just seems arrogant.
@ricky2699 we get it you can’t do this. It’s easy to create some fantastical reason why this is bad, it’s a lot harder to learn how to do this.
The goal of this skill isolation is to improve mount, rifle connection, thus improving overall recoil management.
The engagement strategy in LE is always reactive. Lucas, nor anyone else is advocating you just rip .12 splits at 35 yards on a subject in a mall.
adding a suppressor is the main thing cuts the recoil by 50% at least.. and then reps.
if you don't shoot you aren't helping yourself.
none of this will do anything unless you get out and feel the recoil understand the system you have and what ammo you shoot. i mean 55 gr is softer then 77... so get out and train
this video was sloppy
Watch it again and maybe slow it down
Put out your own video then
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