Damn you Henry!! I am soooo jealous of both you and Ian, having the '' tedious '' chore of evaluating weapons all day.... Lol. But seriously, both you and Ian are not only knowledgeable, but easy to listen too and watch your vids. Keep it up 👍👍 p. s from an ex grunt😜😜
Great video, Henry. Glad to see that one of my loaners has the honor of taking the top spot on the PA scoreboard haha. Loved the commentary afterwards too.
Thanks to Henry and Josh for having me. It was a great honour and a pleasure to be involved in the making of this great video. I had a great time sharing some of my stories and insights about this little pike. I hope I can make it over to the states in near future and meet you guys in person. BTW if any of my ramblings were to incoherent and/or anyone has a question, please don`t hesitate to ask me.
I was the designated marksman in our group. I shot 198 to 199 out of 200 at 300m routinely with my H&K G3.... I'm not kidding you when I say that Henry is a phenomenally good shot.
@@9HoleReviews be carefull wearing these. They are the original fatigues and thus illegal to wear. Wait 2 years, then we'll get issued our new uniform.
A few corrections: 1. You don't BUY your service rifle, you pay for semi locking it, not for the rifle. 2. Dust cover was torn a lot depending on the force (I'm from infantry). 3. The officers MAY let you sometimes custom non essential parts when you're in the field. They NEVER allow any custom parts during the show off ceremonies (unless you're smart for some parts, like discreet pistol grip or SIG official telescopic stock).
Nowadays almost everyone has tape over the grip, cords on the magazines and when at the range the diopter for the PE90 screwed on the 300m sight hole. Even saw a few grenadiers with adjustable bipods. When I served a lot of people were using non-issue stuff, anything from larger shoulder pads for the pack to belt pouch for the 07 pocket knife. Almost every OF and UOF wore different boots too. Before 2010 you didn't have to pay to keep your service rifle.
Dude, every time a rank went up to me to tell me, that it's out of mil ordonnance, I was like so? I just have skills to put behind some sane modifications and gear, that's it. You don't need a pimped gun if you're in artillery...@@Vins9393
I had a US made Sig556, the trigger was like squeezing a balloon full of non neutonian fluid. Spongy, sloppy, no wall then a gritty break.. the Swiss trigger was like oiled glass.. smooth take up, good wall, clean crisp break.
I too have a US 556. After I got good on that trigger, having ‘mastered’ the USGI M4 trigger, it’s probably the most accurate {covers SA M1A’s ears} semiauto rifle I’ve got.
I agree about the Sig 5.56. I have three AR builds I put together from US GI parts and all three have a much better trigger. My son in law has S&W AR with a great trigger out of the box.
FASS uses: RUAG and NATO 5,56×45 Ramington .223 FMJ and JHP (illegal) By the way it can use bullets from the main 21 size rifles (sar 21, scar FN, M 16, etc) but these cannot use RUAG 5.56×45 shells LOL
@@stefankrebs7593 Das sehe ich genau so. Das 550 ist zwar teuer in der Produktion aber auch sehr präzise. Wir hatten noch das G3 während meiner Zeit in der Bundeswehr. Die Ausführungen mit Polygonlauf schossen auch sehr präzise, aber an das 550er kamen sie wohl nicht heran.
Interesting discussion. I have the 550 (PE90, 551 and 553) although at the moment I'm shooting a StGw-57/03 in competition. I also lost of bit of confidence in my PE90, since although it shot pretty well, it seemed to throw the odd shot on me that I could never explain or understand. I also blamed my eyesight, so I went for the 57/03 which allows a diopter on both ends of the rifle, rather than the front post on the PE90. Once, I took my PE-90 to a nearby testing range and got them to test it in a machine rest at 300m. After the test results came back, the tester told me to take the rifle, paint it blue and throw it in the nearest lake :-) (well, that's what I think he said - I'm naturalized Swiss). The blue paint was to ensure I never found it again. I didn't think the 300m group was that bad, but they have high standards. I have to say that the 551 SB is my favorite of the family. Mine has an ACOG on it, a 14.3" barrel, and it's just awesome out to 600m with the GP-90 ammo. There is also a long barreled version (-LB) with 17.8" barrel.
a 75y old regular shooter of my family faced the same thing he started shooting late in his life with the 90 (did the army as medic shot very little in his youth) and switched to the 57 later because he also felt his shot were thrown here and there, just did his mastery a few weeks ago and he's doing pretty consistant 10s big respect to him and another colleague who does the same with the sig pistol instead, fun fact I shot the 57 then 90 before army as young shooter but then...was the last regiment with the 57 in Switzerland...great to shoot not so great to carry around >< I hate the floppy handle
@@fredEVOIX I shot the 57 last Wednesday at practice. I thought I put 14 rounds in the magazine. I fired 4 sighters and pushed the match button to start the scored series. I then fired 1 x 9 and 8 x 10 for 89/90. I pulled the trigger on the final shot and the rifle went ">click
The bipod attached to the handguard, the handguards themselves, in combination with the non-free floated barrel, allow any pressure to influence the impact of a shot. The AR-15 has the same issues and that is why the National Match guys in the past used a "Float Tube" under their handguards and a front sling swivel that is attached to it. If they didn't have that, the pressure from the shooting slings literally bends the barrel and influences the point of impact. Note that the US National Matches now allow a fixed $2,000 - 4.5x24mm Nightforce optic, with the Parallax set to 200 yards to be used in competition, as a lot of the old guys simply have issues with iron sights and their old eyes. If they were serious about our matches reflecting reality, they would have allowed only 4x ACOGs, but instead, they have a purpose built "Gamer Optic" for their National Match Game.
I think now a front diopter is allowed. Seen a few at my schiessverein. Last FS a lady beside me scored a 70 points with a pe90 so equipped. My son shot 58 points, at 12 years old and with only 4 training session
So happy to watch a video about the assault rifle I used during my mandatory service in the infantry ! By the way, happy to see you wearing a genuine swiss BDU 😊👍🏻 Watched 7 minutes but I have to go to work, I'll watch the end when coming back. Happy independence day guys !
As a pest control marksman with my day job (and night time thermal and IR) shooting predominately involving air arms to comply with noise restrictions and "TIGHT" urban safety considerations of projectile fall, I so value the technical content you offer as a team. Thank you so very much for your content, I learn every time you post.
Great work, greetings from Switzerland from a former Panzergrenadier that loves his 550. I use an m4 14.5’ for dynamic shooting, the weight difference is quite big and it’s way less front heavy. But I think in the end training makes the big difference. I believe there’s a big bias in reagards on what you were trained on. Regarding the diopter. Setting one open sight to up to 100m and for night shooting with the tritium inserts, I only used it for night shooting. Position 2 which could be used from 0-300m if zeroed at 36m with the army issue 556 ammo. 2 for 200m point shooting. red 3 white 4 theres was a screw which should removed for combat, theres a storage for the screw in the butt stock if unfolded. It was supposed taken out for combat shooting which then offered a bigger peek through. Leave in the screw for 300m precision shooting it only need adjustment to the aiming points, it shot about a feet higher. 3 for 300 point shooting. So there are many ways to use the same diopter. But many people bever read the manual which is handed out to every soldier with the rifle. Regarding the muzzle break the cone behind it offers an ideal seal for surpressors, can’t recal who manufactured them. The bajonet lug was also used for the grenade launcher.For more info feel free to drop me a message
There is a thing that all the Swiss Guys who did the army tell about our Riffle. You can shoot full center in a "thune" (which is the name of our 5CHF piece of money) at 300m. This rifle is very accurate. We have a thing here called "Young shooter". Basically when you turn16, you can start "Young Shooter" in your city or village. It was crazy to see after few minutes of training anyone could shoot a target at 300m without any problem. Most of the shots were very close to each others.
Yeah but the large majority joins the army with no rifle experience as i did. And even being in a mountain infantry batallion as a specialist ... i learnt nothing 😂 and just hope i will pass my last mandatory shooting test this year and give my fass90 back
have been waiting to finally see a practical shooting of the sig550. it is the only rifle I've ever worked with and it's the only rifle I ever would want to work with. much appreciate to you and supporters.
We had a few 14 year olds in our "jungschützen" (youth shooter program financed by the swiss army) that shot 10s and 9s (~4-8") groups at 300m all day long. The rifles we got from the army were definetly not 1moa rifles anymore but they still did their job if you did yours. A freshly barreld PE/Stgw90 in the right hands will shoot 2-4" groups at 300m very very consistently. It might not be a 0.5moa ultra high grade olympic competition rifle but its plenty accurate while still beeing pretty reliable and durable.
To everybody's complete lack or surprise a West European country with a decently high GPD per capita has a service rifle that is plenty good at shooting bogies dead at normal combat ranges :P
@@SwissBloke i looked for ages and the only ones i found for 1.5k were worn out and looked rather abused. i would say a range of 2000 - 2300 is more realistic, but new black 550-1 can be bought from la gardere for around 2600 when they have stock.
@@billsmith3118 I've found multiples that were nice at that price point; some even came with diopter and were gauged. I wouldn't trust Lagardère on that, they're crooks
Thank you for this fascinating video. It's very nice to see that the export version of the PE90 is the only rifle with wich you were able to achieve a perfect. score! Just a few more points: - the use of 20 rounds magazines is intentional. It helps soldiers keeping a lower silouette on the ground. - it is now possible to find aftermarket free floating handguards (Brugger & Thomet) - the PE 90 is the self loading version of an ordonnance rifle. Of course, full match versions of AR-15 can be a lot more accurate and have a much longer range (especially. In 6.5 grendel). But the comparison is not fair (a match rifle does not have the same requirements than an ordnance rifle).
Very surprised at this outstanding run using triple G ammo. I have used a lot of GGG in 7.62 and found them to be not up to competition use. The brass is good for reloading despite the inconvenience of the crimped primers, though. Amazing result on 5.56! Well shot Henry.
@@Stefan-im2bx They used Lithuanian made (GGG ammo factory - Giraitės Ginkluotės Gamykla) 55gr FMJ munition for commercial use. Combat munition by GGG 5,56 NATO ball is heavier (62 gr) and I am not sure if it's eligible for civilian market. GGG installed new machinery back in early 2000s for entire production and quality control.
I really hope you are getting your hands on a STGW 57 or SG 510, with the 7,5mm x 55mm (GP11) ammo, the best gun i shot. The STGW 90 or SG550 is also very accurate, but the STGW 57 got a little more punch to it, loved it. :D Very good video greets from Switzerland. :D
The awsome thing is, im in the swiss army and you are wearing my bace patch. I love the STGW 90 the only problem is the weight. the accuracy is amazing with iron sights. All of us are trained to shoot at 300m, however we have soliders named KDO's which are like Designated marksman which have the same rifle but with a scope on it, there range is 600m. Nice Vid 🙂
If they would have given me a scope ... 300m with an iron scope, when you get 30 and you go for your last shooting yearly test (i finished repetition courses in 2018)... my eyes get worse and worse 😂 hope not to get too many 0 in my scoreboard
The overall quality of the videos you guys produce has increased in massive steps. Always happy to see the notification....when youtube doesn't spaz out.
I am blessed to have one of these rifles, and your accuracy results does not surprise me at all! In my experience the ammo choice has more to do with accuracy than the rifle itself. It will FUNCTION with any ammo you put in it. It was designed to function 100% in horrid arctic mountain weather, so it is not tightly mfg. The second biggest obstacle is the unusual Swiss trigger set up….the Swiss swear by it, but it takes getting used to. A great video. You people really know what you are doing.
We had the pleasure to have a long range day where we shot at 600m ...so around 650y, with the optic & a tracer round every other round. You can see where the first shot goes and every other shot after that is almost a guaranteed hit. Never had it jam on me, never had any issues except for rubber parts getting old & worn down. Granted, we (i) clean it after every use.
Maybe its just me but would have loved to see a rifle that just made a perfect score on the regular course at least attempt some of the longer range targets. I know 5.56 isn't really intended to be engaging targets beyond 500 yards, especially with iron sights, and starts to have ballistic issues but clearly the rifle is capable of at least making an attempt.
55.05 minutes of pure, unadalterated rifle geekery and intelligent discussion between grown-ups. This makes me very happy, and is exactly what the internet should be used for in my humble opinion. This and boobs, anyway... Great work guys, and now I want a 550 more than anything...
Man I’ve always wanted one of these guns. Love the look of it and I’m shocked you got a clean run with iron sights with it. Ready to see the MCX get a run
@@samuelreynaud361 there is a key word tho good sir "in Switzerland" we WIIISH here in the US to have your guys arms and ammo really cheap haha hello from Oklahoma!!
Congrats on the clean shoot Henry! Wonderful production. Great combination of technical, practical and facts, with enough levity sprinkled in to keep it rolling. Thanks for your professionalism across the board.
Hippity Hoppity this comment section is Swiss property! Had the StGw57 first and got equiped in the 90s with the StGw90 (SG550). What a difference in weight and ease to handle!! Stayed pretty much on target with every shot. The mandatory shooting program was a breeze and always done with close to maximum points in very short time. The StGw57 required you to wait until the vision blur was gone. Always got my card but it was harder to achieve the same points.
Great video!!! This brings memories... I started my military service in Switzerland with this rifle's predecessor, the Stgw 57. After a few years, during my yearly 2 weeks of military service, probably in 94 or 95 (I was not in a first-line unit, handling coms for an air defence batallion HQ, hence why I still had the "older" rifle for a few years after this one was put into service), I was issued with a Stgw 90, brand new. We spent most of the day learning how the rifle operates, its components and how to take it apart. Halfway through the afternoon, we headed to the range for a few rounds at 300 meters (standard distance in the Swiss Army). The targets had an electronic display showing where you hit. On my VERY FIRST shot, right out of the box, I hit a perfect bullseye! The display lit up and flashed like a Christmas tree! I knew that it could unfortunately only go downhill from there... I never hit a perfect bullseye ever again, until I had to hand it over at the end of my military service. I had very good results with it all along, this rifle is very accurate and a joy to shoot with, but I never managed to replicate that first shot. Glad you could enjoy it too!! (I'm from the French-speaking part of Switzerland, and regarding the hoch-deutsch vs. Schwyzertütch (Swiss-german) difference, we usually say that Schwyzertütch is not a language, it's a throat disease... ;-))
My experience with the Stgw 90 is very similar. I too learned on the Stgw 57 first in the Jungschützen Kurs, then in basic training ( ER Cyclist, Romont 1986) and was handed a new rifle in ~91 or 92. I've shot more than one bulls eye .. but then I probably got to shoot it more often. Definitely type 2 fun!
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 Thanks Alex, I got quite a few of the "lesser bullseye" along the years: this is where the display lights up all around for a second, then just one light dot remains to show you where you hit compared to the exact centre. That famous one time on my first Stgw 90 shot though, the whole thing lit up and flashed a few times (all lights), then all remained lit... as far as I remember, because as mentioned, I only saw it once in my life! 😂 I'm pretty sure you shot a whole lot more rounds in Cyclist than we ever did in Air defense indeed, although I would have assumed most of your "extra" rounds came in the field instead of at the range. You are probably just a better shot than I am!
Love this channel. Great editing, great host, great shooting and I love seeing how these rifles from all of the world perform on the range in Henry's hands
I spend quite some time with that rifle. Wouldn't take another one to war. I'm pretty sure I still could take it a part and together in a short time :D The whole time. We are talking abound thousands of shot. I only remember one fail and I believe that it was the ammunition and not the rifle. Simply did a small manipulation to get the faulty bullet out and went right back to shoot again with the next bullet. I also loved the feature in the pistol handel which was hollow and you could open it from the bottom. Inside you always had a pair of strings which you would put on the rifle strap and you also would put in there an empty clip. Our Ammunition was handed out on clips. These clips did hold 10 bullets each. We used the empty clip to push all 10 bullets into the mag at the same time. 2x times and you had a full mag again. Very quick compared to loading single bullets. I was the other lucky guy that got an optic :) depending on your specialisation as infantry soldier one in the group and your squadleader would have that optic on.
Back in 1991 when I did my Military Service in Switzerland in an elite troop (Panzer Grenadier) we were the first ones to get the FASS90, an incredible rifle and extremely precise. We were told back in the day by our superiors who did the Swiss Raid Commando course that SIG developed the weapon taking the best of several parts from the (AK, M16, Galil, and others). Nevertheless, we were all amazed about its accuracy at long range. To be honest it was not hard to hit the mid-top torso on a 300m target (without scope) using the bipod. I miss my rifle number 6520.
The iron sights look like the HK G3’s. Having used such sights in the 90s for many years in the Military before the G36 was rolled out, I think this is a very good way to learn shooting. If you master these sights, transition to red dot or other advanced optics is a breeze.
They are NOT G3 sights, just plain "Drum sights". The have the advantage to be very easily adjusted for ranges and are common for iron sight marksmanship.
@@stefankrebs7593 Es kann schon sein, dass die 550er Trommelkimme feiner justiert werden kann als diejenige des G3, aber prinzipiell ist es das gleiche System.
Canadian here. after i bought the 552, the government banned all 550 platforms. Seeing someone able to shoot it makes me happy. Please make a 552 video as well.
Not really surprised! Great shooter and an insanely good rifle. Living next to Switzerland, I got to shoot that rifle. Swiss service rifles are excellent. I have a K31 that spent decades under a wooden floor and it shoots better than most new rifles.
It took Pascal quite a while to realize that his rifle was not secured until 29:46. That would have gotten him into a lot of trouble, i.p. being an officer! And yes, I was in the swiss army too.
As always nice shooting. The discussion was long but interesting and honest. Even if the StGw 90 may be behind the curve, it is still a blast to shoot, and even after way over 500 shots without cleaning it runs without any issue and with the same accuracy.
Using 3 different chronographs I've measured the GGG 55gr 223Rem to be leaving my 13.5" AR barrel at 910m/s (3000fps) and 62gr at 870m/s (2870fps). Basically it's 5.56 without the moisture sealing. I feel like the European market is just scared to market something as 5.56 due to the military relation.
Man... I think this is the BEST SERVICE RIFLE THAT this team has ever fired..... darn, even better than m16 and M4s. I gotta check their MK-12 sniper rifle. Man... now I want the SIG-550 i wish i was in the Swiss Army. The swiss army will gift the combat rifle as way to say "thank you for your service".
Great shooting, great rifle. Would love to have one of these rifles some day. That said, there is no reason that the M16A4 with the ACOG RCO couldn’t do the exact same thing.
A2 and later M16s have the dumbest barrel profile ever put on a service rifle holding them back and also a sub optimal twist rate to stabilize tracers. I'm not surprised this does better.
Thanks for Forgotten Weapons sending me here. I absolutely love the Sig 550 and would love to own one some day. The lack of magazines is the only thing keeping me from getting one at the moment.
Hey guys, love the video! I was wondering if since you’ve started adding discussions at the end, if you could add time stamps in the description. That way we could see different parts of the conversation. This time stamp is talking about the history. This time stamp is about performance, ect.
18:30, if you take the gyroscopic stability formula it only gets you the maximum twist where a bullet is stable, so you can go tighter than that and over stabilize, but that doesn't have any noticeable impact on accuracy.
The hits on target seemed to show 3MOA or better. Even a very accurate rifle usually cannot do better than 2-3MOA with ball ammo. So the key in this rifle had to be the sights- the rifle started with a good zero and when you dialed in more elevation the windage stayed very good, plus the elevation settings seemed to be very close to the trajectory of that ammo. And the shooter has to do his part too which is not to be dismissed lightly because he's using field expedient positions and rest and using a somewhat unfamiliar rifle. So all the factors come together and you have a good run.
The army acceptance standard is about 1.25 MOA (11cm diameter or less at 300m using GP90 and firing from a ransom rest) for the 550 and GP90 combination. Obviously not match grade, but very respectable for a general-issue service rifle.
Swiss Army Officer here. Cool review, thanks👍 One remark: at least in the Swiss Army version, the flash hider is not machined into it. It is removable. Fact is, the machining is so well made that you can hardly see it. It is also a fact which is not well known even in Switzerland.
Wait what? Do you need a special tool to take it off? I just tried without success... Also is there any documentation (text or video) of that? I didn't find shit in the 53.096
As a Swiss Army Sergeant the first thing you'll learn is to always question the knowledge of an officer, they have mastered confidence while being absolutely clueless. Plus from all of the milicia army they probably have the least experience with the stgw90 compared to soldier or non commisioned officers since they get a service pistol in exchange for their service rifle as their primary weapon. ua-cam.com/video/0IX0Gr7olLY/v-deo.html Dale uploaded a manufacturing video of the Stgw90 look at 5:15 and you will see that the flash suppressor is directly machined out of the steel blank together with the grenade adapter. And i've never seen a flash suppressor off, exchange. Not in Real life or in photos.
World’s sexiest rifle! Now I just want one even more, my 522 is a humble placeholder. That out of the way - great episode. One comment that jumped out at me was the refusal to issue standard troops anything more than 20 round magazines. When the M16 was first issued in 'Nam the lower capacity vs the AK was one of the first criticisms. Is the use of 20 round magazines simply a way to promote ammo conservation among the troops and reinforce their need to place every shot (in Swiss marksmanship tradition) or is there some other reason? As I age and have been in this game long enough to beyond the "shiny new object" phase of gun culture I really have begun to enjoy understanding the "why's" of military firearm development. This rifle and it's people are a fascinating component. I often think that the Swiss military model is very close to what the US Founding Fathers envisioned for the US military. Thanks for touching on this component!
Laws: in switzerland you need a permit to own a mag larger than 20 rounds. so handing out 30 round magazines is to everybody who joins the army isn't exactly smart. If its not that it propably has to do with some weigth-Limitaion put in place by the Bund (The Goverment). I higly recomend taking a look at the STGW 57 if you wish to understand the 55X series since its basicaly a product of trying to fix the 510s flaws
Wow i'm impressed you like that round more than the 55 grain! Here in the states the SS109 bullet is not a good target round and the 55 grain bullet is preferred due to more traditional construction and manufacturing process.
@@jacksonthompson7099 Many European rifles are set up for SS109. Including my G36 clone. It will have malfunctions with 55gr and runs flawless with 62 gr.
Don't mess with Swiss Army 🙂. There are an awful lot of these around here (not to mention the older STGW 57). Impressive Video! Impressive shooter accuracy! Liked the video.
Looks wise it kinda reminds me of an SLR. Fantastic run and looks like a nice rifle. Looks like it's gotta hit the speedway. Great content as always Henry and Josh. I'm presuming you might get the new US service rifle on the course soon as its doing the rounds and gun Jesus had a hold of it not so long ago. 🤔✌🏼🇬🇧
Nice video. But you forgot the "g" at the end of the "sturmgewehr nünzg" its not ".... nünz" but its a detail. Nice shots. I never shot over than 300m. Greetings from switzerland
One of the best presentations you gave us. Thank you. The Swiss and their military system is I believe the closest what our Founding Fathers envisioned. Unfortunately our Militia system was systematically dismantled by our own government after the Civil War. No I do not see our National Guard as the Militia our Founders wanted. (No disrespect to the members of the NG)
@@daenudaenu395 the American militia system was an attempt to modernise the British militia and yeomanry system to fit with antimonarchist sentiment that armies couldn't be trusted. The swiss system is very different, and there is very little evidence that the Americans looked into it as a possible method, instead being more influenced by French revolutionary and British historical examples. I generally think that the swiss system would be better for the states and many other countries, but agree that saying it's "what the founding fathers intended" has no basis.
@@daenudaenu395 I expressed my opinion where I come from we believe that is part of a free society! I compared the Swiss and the US military system. If you think that was political that is your problem. Funny that people like you always feel they have to tell others "Don't"!?
@@pluemas if you quote me please do it correctly "I believe the closest the Founding Fathers envisioned." Like you I am guessing what the Founders envisioned. It is part of a conversation, exchange of opinions. I think I saw a comment from a debate, maybe in the Federalist Papers??? That the Founders looked at different military systems going back to the Greeks and the Romans, where free man had their weapons at home and could be called on at any time.
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If you liked this video, make sure you check out the Forgotten Weapons take on the SG550 here: ua-cam.com/video/vz8YiMPZSZA/v-deo.html
Could you look into getting your hands on a MPT-76 and a KCR-762 for a range review? They're used by Turkish forces. Would be interested to see that.
Lexus of AK!
I just came trough from there
When is the 50 metre interval targets happening instead of yards? Would work better since the rifle sights use metres.
Damn you Henry!! I am soooo jealous of both you and Ian, having the '' tedious '' chore of evaluating weapons all day.... Lol. But seriously, both you and Ian are not only knowledgeable, but easy to listen too and watch your vids. Keep it up 👍👍
p. s from an ex grunt😜😜
Cheers from Switzerland. Considering, the rifle was built almost 40 years ago makes me feel a bit proud….
Why would you be proud? Did you built it? Weird shit to be proud of something you didn’t created or achieved yourself.
The basic AR-15 was designed in the mid fifties
@@ferdinandschrott6973 this is more of an ak style weapon really, so i don't know what you're on about.
@@seanhdka How was it said once? the SG550 is the luxery AK, or if the AK was aquart this is what it would be
ja sägs ;-)
Great video, Henry. Glad to see that one of my loaners has the honor of taking the top spot on the PA scoreboard haha. Loved the commentary afterwards too.
Thank you Steven!!!!
I love Swiss rifles, how can I get one of these SG, they are not as easy to find where I am.
That's awesome thanks for helping out an amazing channel
I love these rifles. I'm very jealous of you lol.
the world is bit more yatta! thanks to this kind sir
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Thanks to Henry and Josh for having me. It was a great honour and a pleasure to be involved in the making of this great video. I had a great time sharing some of my stories and insights about this little pike.
I hope I can make it over to the states in near future and meet you guys in person.
BTW if any of my ramblings were to incoherent and/or anyone has a question, please don`t hesitate to ask me.
☝️Brodie from the interview
@@9HoleReviews Which twist rate did your 550 have when you shot the course? 1:7 or 1:10? Just curious ;)
@@doejohn8674 1:7 it's said at some point early in the video and can be see in the practical test notes at the very end of the video.
If you are planning to get to Desert Brutality again this year, I have a newly-rebuilt PE57 you're welcome to use if you want!
@@doejohn8674 these new imports are 1:7, the older PE90 are 1:10
damn. I feel guilty about missing at 500y (or even 400) now with full optics setups.
Good job man
I has theory, you’re not making a correction for Hop’s sarcasm warping the space/time continuum.
You’re bad and should feel bad 😉
Henry has eyesight suitable for peregrine falcon duty. It's ridiculous.
What is this, a crossover episode?
I was the designated marksman in our group. I shot 198 to 199 out of 200 at 300m routinely with my H&K G3.... I'm not kidding you when I say that Henry is a phenomenally good shot.
A tribute to Henry’s skill, and the accuracy of the rifle is that it looked like he was barely trying.
This rifle was tailored for Henry! Great rifle and great rifleman! Notice that he stacked the last shots on top of each other!
A guy in my section in the army hit a 74 out of 85 points on the shooting test at 300m. He shot a gun the first time that day.
That TAZ 90 looks great. Thanks for the shoutout, and glad you're enjoying it!
Guys, just be careful when you wear these, you could end up getting ladies pregnant.
@@9HoleReviews be carefull wearing these. They are the original fatigues and thus illegal to wear. Wait 2 years, then we'll get issued our new uniform.
A few corrections:
1. You don't BUY your service rifle, you pay for semi locking it, not for the rifle.
2. Dust cover was torn a lot depending on the force (I'm from infantry).
3. The officers MAY let you sometimes custom non essential parts when you're in the field. They NEVER allow any custom parts during the show off ceremonies (unless you're smart for some parts, like discreet pistol grip or SIG official telescopic stock).
3) technically nothing is allowed besides mainstream material distributed... it is just about not getting caught with some modifications
Nowadays almost everyone has tape over the grip, cords on the magazines and when at the range the diopter for the PE90 screwed on the 300m sight hole. Even saw a few grenadiers with adjustable bipods. When I served a lot of people were using non-issue stuff, anything from larger shoulder pads for the pack to belt pouch for the 07 pocket knife. Almost every OF and UOF wore different boots too. Before 2010 you didn't have to pay to keep your service rifle.
Dude, every time a rank went up to me to tell me, that it's out of mil ordonnance, I was like so? I just have skills to put behind some sane modifications and gear, that's it. You don't need a pimped gun if you're in artillery...@@Vins9393
0:25 stock should be folded usually when carrying
@@Vins9393 it’s not about “not getting caught”, it’s about the commander and his tolerance towards the gear freedom and if it’s rationally used.
I had a US made Sig556, the trigger was like squeezing a balloon full of non neutonian fluid. Spongy, sloppy, no wall then a gritty break.. the Swiss trigger was like oiled glass.. smooth take up, good wall, clean crisp break.
I am never gonna experience it unless I move to USA which is tough to say the least (ಥ_ʖಥ)
I too have a US 556. After I got good on that trigger, having ‘mastered’ the USGI M4 trigger, it’s probably the most accurate {covers SA M1A’s ears} semiauto rifle I’ve got.
I think if sig inc imported them from their brother company sig ag today, they would do a better job, especially if they were just 922r building them.
I also have a 556. I love it.
I agree about the Sig 5.56. I have three AR builds I put together from US GI parts and all three have a much better trigger. My son in law has S&W AR with a great trigger out of the box.
That was an epic run with an iron sighted rifle in 5.56. Quality marksmanship and rifle.
the sig 550 is in 5,6 because the ammunition of the swiss army is 5,6 non 5,56
@@alainpedrielli4839 It's 5.56...
@@MrMalicious5 in the swiss army we use ruag 5.6 'GP 90' but chambering in 5.56 is fine as well as you could see
@@alainpedrielli4839 5,6 = 5,56
FASS uses:
RUAG and NATO 5,56×45
Ramington .223
FMJ and JHP (illegal)
By the way it can use bullets from the main 21 size rifles (sar 21, scar FN, M 16, etc) but these cannot use RUAG 5.56×45 shells LOL
NO missing shot with iron sights. Congrats SIG (and Mr. Chan!)
This prooves that the SG550 is a very precise weapon. We🇨🇭 are trained in shooting
@@stefankrebs7593 Das sehe ich genau so. Das 550 ist zwar teuer in der Produktion aber auch sehr präzise. Wir hatten noch das G3 während meiner Zeit in der Bundeswehr. Die Ausführungen mit Polygonlauf schossen auch sehr präzise, aber an das 550er kamen sie wohl nicht heran.
Interesting discussion. I have the 550 (PE90, 551 and 553) although at the moment I'm shooting a StGw-57/03 in competition. I also lost of bit of confidence in my PE90, since although it shot pretty well, it seemed to throw the odd shot on me that I could never explain or understand. I also blamed my eyesight, so I went for the 57/03 which allows a diopter on both ends of the rifle, rather than the front post on the PE90.
Once, I took my PE-90 to a nearby testing range and got them to test it in a machine rest at 300m. After the test results came back, the tester told me to take the rifle, paint it blue and throw it in the nearest lake :-) (well, that's what I think he said - I'm naturalized Swiss). The blue paint was to ensure I never found it again. I didn't think the 300m group was that bad, but they have high standards.
I have to say that the 551 SB is my favorite of the family. Mine has an ACOG on it, a 14.3" barrel, and it's just awesome out to 600m with the GP-90 ammo. There is also a long barreled version (-LB) with 17.8" barrel.
a 75y old regular shooter of my family faced the same thing he started shooting late in his life with the 90 (did the army as medic shot very little in his youth) and switched to the 57 later because he also felt his shot were thrown here and there, just did his mastery a few weeks ago and he's doing pretty consistant 10s big respect to him and another colleague who does the same with the sig pistol instead, fun fact I shot the 57 then 90 before army as young shooter but then...was the last regiment with the 57 in Switzerland...great to shoot not so great to carry around >< I hate the floppy handle
@@fredEVOIX I shot the 57 last Wednesday at practice. I thought I put 14 rounds in the magazine. I fired 4 sighters and pushed the match button to start the scored series.
I then fired 1 x 9 and 8 x 10 for 89/90. I pulled the trigger on the final shot and the rifle went ">click
The bipod attached to the handguard, the handguards themselves, in combination with the non-free floated barrel, allow any pressure to influence the impact of a shot. The AR-15 has the same issues and that is why the National Match guys in the past used a "Float Tube" under their handguards and a front sling swivel that is attached to it. If they didn't have that, the pressure from the shooting slings literally bends the barrel and influences the point of impact. Note that the US National Matches now allow a fixed $2,000 - 4.5x24mm Nightforce optic, with the Parallax set to 200 yards to be used in competition, as a lot of the old guys simply have issues with iron sights and their old eyes. If they were serious about our matches reflecting reality, they would have allowed only 4x ACOGs, but instead, they have a purpose built "Gamer Optic" for their National Match Game.
What did the tester consider would have been a 'good' group?
I think now a front diopter is allowed. Seen a few at my schiessverein. Last FS a lady beside me scored a 70 points with a pe90 so equipped. My son shot 58 points, at 12 years old and with only 4 training session
So happy to watch a video about the assault rifle I used during my mandatory service in the infantry ! By the way, happy to see you wearing a genuine swiss BDU 😊👍🏻
Watched 7 minutes but I have to go to work, I'll watch the end when coming back. Happy independence day guys !
Thank you for remembering our nation's birth day.
That’s a nice, clean, honest rifle. Great run!
As a pest control marksman with my day job (and night time thermal and IR) shooting predominately involving air arms to comply with noise restrictions and "TIGHT" urban safety considerations of projectile fall, I so value the technical content you offer as a team. Thank you so very much for your content, I learn every time you post.
I was trained on the Stgw 57 and later an the Stgw 90. Loved both of them
Great work, greetings from Switzerland from a former Panzergrenadier that loves his 550. I use an m4 14.5’ for dynamic shooting, the weight difference is quite big and it’s way less front heavy. But I think in the end training makes the big difference. I believe there’s a big bias in reagards on what you were trained on. Regarding the diopter. Setting one open sight to up to 100m and for night shooting with the tritium inserts, I only used it for night shooting. Position 2 which could be used from 0-300m if zeroed at 36m with the army issue 556 ammo. 2 for 200m point shooting. red 3 white 4 theres was a screw which should removed for combat, theres a storage for the screw in the butt stock if unfolded. It was supposed taken out for combat shooting which then offered a bigger peek through. Leave in the screw for 300m precision shooting it only need adjustment to the aiming points, it shot about a feet higher. 3 for 300 point shooting. So there are many ways to use the same diopter. But many people bever read the manual which is handed out to every soldier with the rifle. Regarding the muzzle break the cone behind it offers an ideal seal for surpressors, can’t recal who manufactured them. The bajonet lug was also used for the grenade launcher.For more info feel free to drop me a message
Haha merci merke mirs für RS 👍😉
in corde veritas💣
There is a thing that all the Swiss Guys who did the army tell about our Riffle.
You can shoot full center in a "thune" (which is the name of our 5CHF piece of money) at 300m.
This rifle is very accurate.
We have a thing here called "Young shooter". Basically when you turn16, you can start "Young Shooter" in your city or village.
It was crazy to see after few minutes of training anyone could shoot a target at 300m without any problem.
Most of the shots were very close to each others.
Yeah but the large majority joins the army with no rifle experience as i did. And even being in a mountain infantry batallion as a specialist ... i learnt nothing 😂 and just hope i will pass my last mandatory shooting test this year and give my fass90 back
14 not 16
Ab 10 Jahren darf bei uns geschossen werden.
have been waiting to finally see a practical shooting of the sig550.
it is the only rifle I've ever worked with and it's the only rifle I ever would want to work with.
much appreciate to you and supporters.
04:32 "Schweizer Qualität" you said and pronounced that really well, I'm impressed! haha Nice shooting too!
Man. That's probably the best iron sighted service rifle shooting that I've seen.
The precision components and sheer quality of the gun mechanism of the sg550 Swiss clock precision put in a awesome rifle!
the 550 was my favorite weapon in cs 1.6 aesthetically so I am quite pleased to see this.
I love the smile on his face when he speaks about the Stgw90. It's a lovely rifle, had a blast with mine :)
Consistently the best gun content on UA-cam. Flat out.
I just watched the run, and that is the FIRST clean run (that I recall anyway). A great rifle and shooter, and the conditions were perfect!
I’ve always thought of the 550 as the coolest .556 rifle. Obviously, cool guns are always the best guns. ; )
We had a few 14 year olds in our "jungschützen" (youth shooter program financed by the swiss army) that shot 10s and 9s (~4-8") groups at 300m all day long. The rifles we got from the army were definetly not 1moa rifles anymore but they still did their job if you did yours.
A freshly barreld PE/Stgw90 in the right hands will shoot 2-4" groups at 300m very very consistently. It might not be a 0.5moa ultra high grade olympic competition rifle but its plenty accurate while still beeing pretty reliable and durable.
To everybody's complete lack or surprise a West European country with a decently high GPD per capita has a service rifle that is plenty good at shooting bogies dead at normal combat ranges :P
Well the GP90 datasheet shows 21mm @100m and 63 @300m so that's actually sub-MOA. And you can get SWISS P Target that are 17mm @300m
@Random Pickle out-of-factory they're 3.5k, used about 1.5k tops
@@SwissBloke i looked for ages and the only ones i found for 1.5k were worn out and looked rather abused. i would say a range of 2000 - 2300 is more realistic, but new black 550-1 can be bought from la gardere for around 2600 when they have stock.
@@billsmith3118 I've found multiples that were nice at that price point; some even came with diopter and were gauged.
I wouldn't trust Lagardère on that, they're crooks
y'all sold me on the K31. Glad to see the newer Swiss offerings are just as amazing.
Thank you for this fascinating video.
It's very nice to see that the export version of the PE90 is the only rifle with wich you were able to achieve a perfect. score!
Just a few more points:
- the use of 20 rounds magazines is intentional. It helps soldiers keeping a lower silouette on the ground.
- it is now possible to find aftermarket free floating handguards (Brugger & Thomet)
- the PE 90 is the self loading version of an ordonnance rifle. Of course, full match versions of AR-15 can be a lot more accurate and have a much longer range (especially. In 6.5 grendel). But the comparison is not fair (a match rifle does not have the same requirements than an ordnance rifle).
Henry & Josh, this was an outstanding video....................... It opened my eyes to the SIG 550, thanks for sharing !!
Very surprised at this outstanding run using triple G ammo. I have used a lot of GGG in 7.62 and found them to be not up to competition use. The brass is good for reloading despite the inconvenience of the crimped primers, though. Amazing result on 5.56! Well shot Henry.
Rifle is incredible. But our ammo is also very good. Awesome shooting by you, guys!
Hast du das mitbekommen, haben die unsere Munition verwendet? Oder Nato Munition
@@Stefan-im2bx They used Lithuanian made (GGG ammo factory - Giraitės Ginkluotės Gamykla) 55gr FMJ munition for commercial use. Combat munition by GGG 5,56 NATO ball is heavier (62 gr) and I am not sure if it's eligible for civilian market. GGG installed new machinery back in early 2000s for entire production and quality control.
this rifle takes everything we know about accuracy, throws it all out the window and just rocks. perhaps it's magic.
I really hope you are getting your hands on a STGW 57 or SG 510, with the 7,5mm x 55mm (GP11) ammo, the best gun i shot.
The STGW 90 or SG550 is also very accurate, but the STGW 57 got a little more punch to it, loved it. :D
Very good video greets from Switzerland. :D
The awsome thing is, im in the swiss army and you are wearing my bace patch. I love the STGW 90 the only problem is the weight. the accuracy is amazing with iron sights. All of us are trained to shoot at 300m, however we have soliders named KDO's which are like Designated marksman which have the same rifle but with a scope on it, there range is 600m.
Nice Vid
🙂
Birmensdorf esch es lebe gsi
The only problem is the weight!? Try the SIG 510 /Stgw 57 then.. ;-)
If they would have given me a scope ... 300m with an iron scope, when you get 30 and you go for your last shooting yearly test (i finished repetition courses in 2018)... my eyes get worse and worse 😂 hope not to get too many 0 in my scoreboard
The only problem is the weight….Urban boys problems…..😂
The overall quality of the videos you guys produce has increased in massive steps. Always happy to see the notification....when youtube doesn't spaz out.
i Salute to my Brothers in Arms at 13:50 o7. This is actually footage from my Home Town ^^
An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
I am blessed to have one of these rifles, and your accuracy results does not surprise me at all! In my experience the ammo choice has more to do with accuracy than the rifle itself. It will FUNCTION with any ammo you put in it. It was designed to function 100% in horrid arctic mountain weather, so it is not tightly mfg. The second biggest obstacle is the unusual Swiss trigger set up….the Swiss swear by it, but it takes getting used to. A great video. You people really know what you are doing.
We had the pleasure to have a long range day where we shot at 600m ...so around 650y, with the optic & a tracer round every other round. You can see where the first shot goes and every other shot after that is almost a guaranteed hit. Never had it jam on me, never had any issues except for rubber parts getting old & worn down. Granted, we (i) clean it after every use.
1993 I got this fantastic gun in the army services, thousend of shots later, it still works perfect.
Great army tool.
Greets from Switzerland.
Pat
Maybe its just me but would have loved to see a rifle that just made a perfect score on the regular course at least attempt some of the longer range targets. I know 5.56 isn't really intended to be engaging targets beyond 500 yards, especially with iron sights, and starts to have ballistic issues but clearly the rifle is capable of at least making an attempt.
55.05 minutes of pure, unadalterated rifle geekery and intelligent discussion between grown-ups.
This makes me very happy, and is exactly what the internet should be used for in my humble opinion. This and boobs, anyway...
Great work guys, and now I want a 550 more than anything...
Man I’ve always wanted one of these guns. Love the look of it and I’m shocked you got a clean run with iron sights with it. Ready to see the MCX get a run
Here in switzerland you can buy one everywhere for cheap. Hope you get your hands on one. It's a blast !
@@samuelreynaud361 there is a key word tho good sir "in Switzerland" we WIIISH here in the US to have your guys arms and ammo really cheap haha hello from Oklahoma!!
Have one of those at home. We were the first recruits in the early 90ties that got this rifle in the Swiss Army. It's a great. Love it.
Congrats on the clean shoot Henry! Wonderful production. Great combination of technical, practical and facts, with enough levity sprinkled in to keep it rolling.
Thanks for your professionalism across the board.
Hippity Hoppity this comment section is Swiss property! Had the StGw57 first and got equiped in the 90s with the StGw90 (SG550). What a difference in weight and ease to handle!! Stayed pretty much on target with every shot. The mandatory shooting program was a breeze and always done with close to maximum points in very short time. The StGw57 required you to wait until the vision blur was gone. Always got my card but it was harder to achieve the same points.
Great video!!! This brings memories...
I started my military service in Switzerland with this rifle's predecessor, the Stgw 57. After a few years, during my yearly 2 weeks of military service, probably in 94 or 95 (I was not in a first-line unit, handling coms for an air defence batallion HQ, hence why I still had the "older" rifle for a few years after this one was put into service), I was issued with a Stgw 90, brand new.
We spent most of the day learning how the rifle operates, its components and how to take it apart. Halfway through the afternoon, we headed to the range for a few rounds at 300 meters (standard distance in the Swiss Army). The targets had an electronic display showing where you hit. On my VERY FIRST shot, right out of the box, I hit a perfect bullseye! The display lit up and flashed like a Christmas tree! I knew that it could unfortunately only go downhill from there...
I never hit a perfect bullseye ever again, until I had to hand it over at the end of my military service. I had very good results with it all along, this rifle is very accurate and a joy to shoot with, but I never managed to replicate that first shot. Glad you could enjoy it too!!
(I'm from the French-speaking part of Switzerland, and regarding the hoch-deutsch vs. Schwyzertütch (Swiss-german) difference, we usually say that Schwyzertütch is not a language, it's a throat disease... ;-))
pour les romands, c'est la même chose ;)
My experience with the Stgw 90 is very similar. I too learned on the Stgw 57 first in the Jungschützen Kurs, then in basic training ( ER Cyclist, Romont 1986) and was handed a new rifle in ~91 or 92. I've shot more than one bulls eye .. but then I probably got to shoot it more often. Definitely type 2 fun!
@@alexandergutfeldt1144 Thanks Alex, I got quite a few of the "lesser bullseye" along the years: this is where the display lights up all around for a second, then just one light dot remains to show you where you hit compared to the exact centre. That famous one time on my first Stgw 90 shot though, the whole thing lit up and flashed a few times (all lights), then all remained lit... as far as I remember, because as mentioned, I only saw it once in my life! 😂
I'm pretty sure you shot a whole lot more rounds in Cyclist than we ever did in Air defense indeed, although I would have assumed most of your "extra" rounds came in the field instead of at the range. You are probably just a better shot than I am!
as a swiss i am happy and proud how happy and proud you are about your own PE90 :D
(about 29:00 )
I honestly wasn't aware that there were no "clean" runs prior to this. And to clean on a 223..... Nice job 👌
Not even the sniper variant of this gun got a clean run.
This is definitely a Bucket List Firearm I need for My Collection..👌🏼
Sick and slick shooting, Henry. Wow! I learn something every time I watch a 9-hole Review's video. Carry on, Maestro!
Where Belgium stumbled with the SCAR 17, Switzerland picked up with the SG 550. Congrats, Henry and Josh!
It performed very well with the 55 grn bullet despite the barrell is intended for 63 grn bullets. Greetings from Switzerland
I like "Testament to the Schweizer Qualität" at minute 4:30h! "Nünzg" is 1990 referring to the year of official introduction to the army.
Love this channel. Great editing, great host, great shooting and I love seeing how these rifles from all of the world perform on the range in Henry's hands
I spend quite some time with that rifle. Wouldn't take another one to war. I'm pretty sure I still could take it a part and together in a short time :D
The whole time. We are talking abound thousands of shot. I only remember one fail and I believe that it was the ammunition and not the rifle. Simply did a small manipulation to get the faulty bullet out and went right back to shoot again with the next bullet.
I also loved the feature in the pistol handel which was hollow and you could open it from the bottom. Inside you always had a pair of strings which you would put on the rifle strap and you also would put in there an empty clip. Our Ammunition was handed out on clips. These clips did hold 10 bullets each. We used the empty clip to push all 10 bullets into the mag at the same time. 2x times and you had a full mag again. Very quick compared to loading single bullets.
I was the other lucky guy that got an optic :) depending on your specialisation as infantry soldier one in the group and your squadleader would have that optic on.
Back in 1991 when I did my Military Service in Switzerland in an elite troop (Panzer Grenadier) we were the first ones to get the FASS90, an incredible rifle and extremely precise. We were told back in the day by our superiors who did the Swiss Raid Commando course that SIG developed the weapon taking the best of several parts from the (AK, M16, Galil, and others). Nevertheless, we were all amazed about its accuracy at long range. To be honest it was not hard to hit the mid-top torso on a 300m target (without scope) using the bipod. I miss my rifle number 6520.
I give you mine then... 5415
I am in the swiss military and we get good results up to 600m with a 4x scope on the same targets this gun is absolute love
still the best 5.56 rifle after so many years
debatable but ok...
@kevin pierson lots of 5.56 rifles out there. Don't get me wrong, I'll take a SG 550 to hell and back but there's lots of other options as well
I as a swiss.. ex servicemen.. am shedding a single tear of joy.
The iron sights look like the HK G3’s. Having used such sights in the 90s for many years in the Military before the G36 was rolled out, I think this is a very good way to learn shooting. If you master these sights, transition to red dot or other advanced optics is a breeze.
Rotating diopter drum (aka the "HK" sights). Frankly I've always liked them better than any other iron sight.
They are NOT G3 sights, just plain "Drum sights". The have the advantage to be very easily adjusted for ranges and are common for iron sight marksmanship.
@@stefankrebs7593 Es kann schon sein, dass die 550er Trommelkimme feiner justiert werden kann als diejenige des G3, aber prinzipiell ist es das gleiche System.
the g36 is trash!
@bmusar bro what the fuck are you talking about? get some help and stop using drugs lol
Canadian here. after i bought the 552, the government banned all 550 platforms. Seeing someone able to shoot it makes me happy. Please make a 552 video as well.
@@Nate-zm6bd not yet, they are planning.
Excellent rifle excellent markmanship thank you for all the hard work on the videos
Not really surprised! Great shooter and an insanely good rifle. Living next to Switzerland, I got to shoot that rifle. Swiss service rifles are excellent. I have a K31 that spent decades under a wooden floor and it shoots better than most new rifles.
It took Pascal quite a while to realize that his rifle was not secured until 29:46. That would have gotten him into a lot of trouble, i.p. being an officer! And yes, I was in the swiss army too.
I think you just demonstrated my go-to-war rifle. That was impressive by any measure.
As always nice shooting. The discussion was long but interesting and honest.
Even if the StGw 90 may be behind the curve, it is still a blast to shoot, and even after way over 500 shots without cleaning it runs without any issue and with the same accuracy.
i really like how you get into the language discussion, you really went over the books, well done. big thumbs up!!!
B&T APC223 would be another cool Swiss rifle to see. I wish those were more common
Hello from Switzerland, very nice shooting Gentlemen 👌
Ich bin Schweizer und finde Euren Beitrag sehr lobenswert 🙂
Im from Swiss, this Rifle is Love for Sharp Shooters like you. Great Shooting.❤
This episode is Othias length and damn well worth the watch
Using 3 different chronographs I've measured the GGG 55gr 223Rem to be leaving my 13.5" AR barrel at 910m/s (3000fps) and 62gr at 870m/s (2870fps). Basically it's 5.56 without the moisture sealing.
I feel like the European market is just scared to market something as 5.56 due to the military relation.
Yes, in some countries, that's true.
It’s because CIP doesn’t differentiate them while SAAMI does.
Definitely great ammo. I'm glad you can get it in the US. The fact that it comes in a metallic ammo case when you buy a thousand is a very nice bonus.
@@erwannq This is something unique for the US, in Finland you can buy them in cardboard boxes containing 24×50rds.
@@MellowFellowOfYellow This makes sense
Man... I think this is the BEST SERVICE RIFLE THAT this team has ever fired..... darn, even better than m16 and M4s. I gotta check their MK-12 sniper rifle. Man... now I want the SIG-550 i wish i was in the Swiss Army. The swiss army will gift the combat rifle as way to say "thank you for your service".
I always loved the look of the 550
Beautiful run! So glad to finally see the first PA perfect run.
Great shooting, great rifle. Would love to have one of these rifles some day.
That said, there is no reason that the M16A4 with the ACOG RCO couldn’t do the exact same thing.
And M4 and acog would be pushing projectiles much slower than the 550
@@9HoleReviews I think he meant the full size rifle. The M16A4 is 20"
@@mrhounddog8271 you’re right, I misread M4 :)
A2 and later M16s have the dumbest barrel profile ever put on a service rifle holding them back and also a sub optimal twist rate to stabilize tracers.
I'm not surprised this does better.
@@joshuahuling303 this SG550 has the 1/7 twist just like the M16A2. The A2 barrel profile has no negative impact on accuracy
Thanks for Forgotten Weapons sending me here. I absolutely love the Sig 550 and would love to own one some day. The lack of magazines is the only thing keeping me from getting one at the moment.
Hey guys, love the video! I was wondering if since you’ve started adding discussions at the end, if you could add time stamps in the description. That way we could see different parts of the conversation. This time stamp is talking about the history. This time stamp is about performance, ect.
Your German is magnificent! Keep up the good work, thank you both for hours and hours of quality entertainment.
Very impressive shooting, even allowing for Swiss precision.
18:30, if you take the gyroscopic stability formula it only gets you the maximum twist where a bullet is stable, so you can go tighter than that and over stabilize, but that doesn't have any noticeable impact on accuracy.
The hits on target seemed to show 3MOA or better. Even a very accurate rifle usually cannot do better than 2-3MOA with ball ammo. So the key in this rifle had to be the sights- the rifle started with a good zero and when you dialed in more elevation the windage stayed very good, plus the elevation settings seemed to be very close to the trajectory of that ammo. And the shooter has to do his part too which is not to be dismissed lightly because he's using field expedient positions and rest and using a somewhat unfamiliar rifle. So all the factors come together and you have a good run.
The army acceptance standard is about 1.25 MOA (11cm diameter or less at 300m using GP90 and firing from a ransom rest) for the 550 and GP90 combination.
Obviously not match grade, but very respectable for a general-issue service rifle.
Bravo Gents! Makes me proud to own a SG551 LB!
This gun outperformed the expensive SCAR-L along with M4 and even M16,wow
it also costs more than a SCAR lol
@@surfingtothestars what does the cost have anything to do with this?
When the original commenter mentioned "the expensive" before listing rifles?
Finally! I was waiting sooo long for this
Swiss Army Officer here. Cool review, thanks👍 One remark: at least in the Swiss Army version, the flash hider is not machined into it. It is removable. Fact is, the machining is so well made that you can hardly see it. It is also a fact which is not well known even in Switzerland.
Wait what? Do you need a special tool to take it off? I just tried without success...
Also is there any documentation (text or video) of that? I didn't find shit in the 53.096
As a Swiss Army Sergeant the first thing you'll learn is to always question the knowledge of an officer, they have mastered confidence while being absolutely clueless.
Plus from all of the milicia army they probably have the least experience with the stgw90 compared to soldier or non commisioned officers since they get a service pistol in exchange for their service rifle as their primary weapon.
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Dale uploaded a manufacturing video of the Stgw90 look at 5:15 and you will see that the flash suppressor is directly machined out of the steel blank together with the grenade adapter.
And i've never seen a flash suppressor off, exchange. Not in Real life or in photos.
It's great that you narrate your choices of elevation and point of aim.
Love to see you revisit the Steyr AUG with interviews of Austrian, Australian or Irish soldiers that used it.
I'd like to see one of the newer Lithgow arms aug
I’m really looking forward to the 551 video. This video was great and really had me wanting a Swiss SiG.
World’s sexiest rifle! Now I just want one even more, my 522 is a humble placeholder. That out of the way - great episode. One comment that jumped out at me was the refusal to issue standard troops anything more than 20 round magazines. When the M16 was first issued in 'Nam the lower capacity vs the AK was one of the first criticisms. Is the use of 20 round magazines simply a way to promote ammo conservation among the troops and reinforce their need to place every shot (in Swiss marksmanship tradition) or is there some other reason? As I age and have been in this game long enough to beyond the "shiny new object" phase of gun culture I really have begun to enjoy understanding the "why's" of military firearm development. This rifle and it's people are a fascinating component. I often think that the Swiss military model is very close to what the US Founding Fathers envisioned for the US military. Thanks for touching on this component!
Laws: in switzerland you need a permit to own a mag larger than 20 rounds. so handing out 30 round magazines is to everybody who joins the army isn't exactly smart.
If its not that it propably has to do with some weigth-Limitaion put in place by the Bund (The Goverment).
I higly recomend taking a look at the STGW 57 if you wish to understand the 55X series since its basicaly a product of trying to fix the 510s flaws
The best of US gun culture meets the finest in Swiss military hardware - a match made in heaven!
As Lithuanian I approve the ammo choice. I prefer the GGG GP21 NATO spec 62 Gr ammo over the 55 Gr 223 spec
Wow i'm impressed you like that round more than the 55 grain! Here in the states the SS109 bullet is not a good target round and the 55 grain bullet is preferred due to more traditional construction and manufacturing process.
@@jacksonthompson7099 Many European rifles are set up for SS109. Including my G36 clone. It will have malfunctions with 55gr and runs flawless with 62 gr.
Don't mess with Swiss Army 🙂. There are an awful lot of these around here (not to mention the older STGW 57). Impressive Video! Impressive shooter accuracy! Liked the video.
Looks wise it kinda reminds me of an SLR. Fantastic run and looks like a nice rifle. Looks like it's gotta hit the speedway.
Great content as always Henry and Josh. I'm presuming you might get the new US service rifle on the course soon as its doing the rounds and gun Jesus had a hold of it not so long ago. 🤔✌🏼🇬🇧
Nice video. But you forgot the "g" at the end of the "sturmgewehr nünzg" its not ".... nünz" but its a detail. Nice shots. I never shot over than 300m.
Greetings from switzerland
One of the best presentations you gave us. Thank you.
The Swiss and their military system is I believe the closest what our Founding Fathers envisioned. Unfortunately our Militia system was systematically dismantled by our own government after the Civil War. No I do not see our National Guard as the Militia our Founders wanted. (No disrespect to the members of the NG)
Don't appropriate the swiss for your political beliefs. Thank you!
The Boer Kammandos also seem really close to what i think the American militia was supposed to be.
@@daenudaenu395 the American militia system was an attempt to modernise the British militia and yeomanry system to fit with antimonarchist sentiment that armies couldn't be trusted.
The swiss system is very different, and there is very little evidence that the Americans looked into it as a possible method, instead being more influenced by French revolutionary and British historical examples.
I generally think that the swiss system would be better for the states and many other countries, but agree that saying it's "what the founding fathers intended" has no basis.
@@daenudaenu395 I expressed my opinion where I come from we believe that is part of a free society! I compared the Swiss and the US military system. If you think that was political that is your problem. Funny that people like you always feel they have to tell others "Don't"!?
@@pluemas if you quote me please do it correctly "I believe the closest the Founding Fathers envisioned." Like you I am guessing what the Founders envisioned. It is part of a conversation, exchange of opinions. I think I saw a comment from a debate, maybe in the Federalist Papers??? That the Founders looked at different military systems going back to the Greeks and the Romans, where free man had their weapons at home and could be called on at any time.