Subwoofer Crossover: Best Settings For Home Theater And Home Audio Systems
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Is your understanding of Subwoofer Crossover points sub par? Chief Product Officer Andrew Welker has you covered in this video. It's easy to see why it's confusing when you look at the main points that are reviewed 👇
• Crossover Setting Switch Or Rotary Control Settings Answered Painlessly (But With Hertz)
• AVR Crossover Setting, How To Handle The Double Crossover Dilemma In Your Home Theater
• When To Use The LFE Input / Switch
• What To Do If You're Using A Stereo Receiver Or Integrated Amp Without A Sub Output
"Subwoofer Crossover: Best Settings?" is the first video in our new series of videos called "Quick Tips". This series leans to the practical instead of the theoretical. It will focus on answering frequently asked questions and providing the solutions. We look forward your comments, questions, and suggestions they are the inspiration for upcoming video topics.
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Andrew, you helped me some time ago with a similar question for which I’m grateful. You really help to take the mystery out of audio/video settings with these straightforward explanations. You are now my go-to channel for advice and I’m now busy working on toeing-in my main speakers… or not, based on another of your videos. Great to have an experienced and authoritative advisor.
Happy to have helped! Look forward to hearing where you ended up on the toe in matter.
Thank you for being straight to the point and giving practical advice. You gave solution and clear rationale behind it.
What an easy to follow and cogent explanation. Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful, and thank you for taking the time to say so!
Andrew, Always appreciated. Sometimes the simplest of things are never addressed. The AVR example is one, LFE as you said but, ultimately let the AVR's settings do the job. Excellent point. And as for 2 channel, just simply making the integration seamless, so it sounds as though the bass is coming directly through your speakers. SVS is my favorite as their higher end models offer a blue tooth setting, whereas you can sit in you favorite chair with remote and avoid constantly getting up for further adjustments. Easier on back too. Thanks so much for your video's and tips. Robert TN PS I'm sending a response to an earlier post about speaker grills, YES, I do prefer mine off when listening. Not a Giant leap forward, but, as you said in the higher frequency ranges somewhat notable. Thanks
Thank you for sharing your comments, Robert! There are so many settings, particularly within the context of a home theater system, that’s is so easy for the little things to get lost amount the myriad of configurations, etc. These quick tips will hopefully help with those simpler topics.
Super helpful. Thank you very much for
Question that I have not been able to get an answer to. In the AVR settings for the sub LPF for LFE, 80 Hz or 120 Hz? Mains are set to 80 Hz xover.
My Sony STR-DH790 AVR seems to have crossover settings for all of the speakers except the subwoofer.
Hi i have svs sb1000 , i connect to.the lfe imput and dial i have on lfe is this correct my speakers are set to 80hz is the phase dial best kept at 0. ?
I have a question that I'm confused about on the back of my sub woofer there is a switch that says phase and the range starts at 0 to 180 where should it set at please let me know thank you
If you've only got one subwoofer and you can hear it then you're good to go
Your explanation is SO helpful! I totally get it. Thank you!
where should the phase switch should be set to as ny sub has a phase switch also together with the receiver
If you have phase control on both the subwoofer AND in your receiver, set the subwoofer to zero or “normal” and then try toggling the control in your receiver. You’re looking for a smoothest bass sound and blending between your main speakers and the subwoofer.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters thanks greatly appreciated
@@firelinks316 you're welcome, happy to help.
Hi. I have a Denon AVR home theater (sub out LFE) 5.1 and a Velodyne SPL 800i subwoofer. (LFE) Now my question. on my subwoofer there are:
1. subwoofer volume,
2. low pass crossover,
3. a button with internal x-over-Subwoofer direct. 4. a button with Phase 0-180
What should all this say on my subwoofer? I know you said max on crossover which is 120 Hz but then?
On my Denon AVR I can set the speakers and subwoofer in crossover in set up. should all the speakers be set to 80 Hz but what should I set the subwoofer to for Hz???
I would set the level on your subwoofer to the 12:00 position to start with, use the button to put it in “Subwoofer Direct” mode (This will bypass the internal low-pass crossover in the sub), and leave the phase at zero. Then use the controls in the subwoofer to set the crossover frequency, delay, and level. If the sub output is not high enough, you can go back and increase the setting of the volume control on the sub.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters thanks for the help. ok I have set the sub as you said.😊 But what should I set in Denon's set up menu. should all 5.1 speakers be set to 80 Hz But then what should I set the sub to for Hz in the menu. I run with sub mode Lfe + main. This is where I get stuck.
@@johnnylauritsen3556 Your Denon should automatically set the subwoofer crossover to match that of the settings you have used for the individual channels. So, the mains will get full range signal + sub and the channels set to 80Hz will steer information below 80Hz to the subwoofer.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters thank you very much for the help.😊 so if I understand everything correctly now, it is on the subwoofer that I will change the bass if I want more bass. then I turn on the crossover button, not in the Denon set up. the volume on the subwoofer must also be at maximum or at half. does it do any good when I run through avr Denon. many questions and I am so grateful for any help. I drive with the Denon AVR S650H which is enough in my room. then I wonder since I have 2 sub outs on the amplifier if I can have 2 Subwoofers 😊 last question I have set all the speakers to 80Hz, is that ok. should I put a subwoofer on this with (80 Hz) Have a nice evening. Johnny
@@johnnylauritsen3556 You’re welcome! Yes, if you want more bass level that the Denon controls can provide you can increase the level control on the subwoofer. I would leave the crossover button on bypass mode on the sub and make any desired changes to the subwoofer crossover frequency in the Denon. You want to avoid having the filters inside the subwoofer AND the AVR operating at the same time.
My good man here’s how I have my sub hooked up on my two channel system. My tower’s go down to 35Hz according to it’s spec’s. My sub goes down to 20Hz according to it’s spec’s, so I set the crossover point on the sub to start at 45Hz that’s 10Hz before the towers drop off. The volume is set so the sub disappears but in heavy bass tracks you can definitely hear the low end from the sub
Sounds like you have it setup perfectly…I also prefer some amount of overlap if you don’t have the ability to control the roll-off of the main speakers.
But I thought he said to set the crossover on the sub itself to the highest point?
@@rindershow212 Yes, assuming the AVR is going to take care of bass management.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters how much overlap would you recommend? Maybe 20 hz worth of overlap?
I’m a major rookie I need set up for dummies definitely your tips on the LFE were exactly what I was wondering on my subwoofer appreciate it. Thank you.
Hi Andrew, I have a denon avr-x960h receiver and two older Yamaha yst-sw305 subwoofers connected. Based on your video would I be correct in setting my avr crossover to 80 or 90 Hz and set the “high cut” dial to its maximum of 140Hz.
Thanks Stephen
Hey mate, this video of yours truly helps a lot how to croosover a subwoofer. I set my croosover to my Yamaha reciever to each of my speakers and usually set my subwoofer croosover and gain to half volume and keep experimenting then turn the subwoofer croosover all the way to 120 hz then wow the sound is soo clear + deep bass especially in Dolby Atmos 👍🙏
Excellent news, thanks for taking the time to let me know the video was helpful! Enjoy your system.
OMG! Thank you so much Andrew. I've been doing so much research on soooo many sound variables with regard to my home theater room to achieve the best results. I'm getting the new Klipsch RP 1400sw subwoofer for my system tomorrow and I had no idea what to set the low pass filter to. I knew that the sub had as LFE input and I was aware that it was the proper input to use. However, I did not know by using that input, I didn't have to worry about a hz setting on the low pass filter because the sub would automatically allow the AVR to do the integration with the other speakers. Now that I understand that, that's one less thing I need to be concerned about! Your simple explanantion relieved some of my anxiety and for that I"m truly grateful!
Great vid thanks.
I have a free useful app on my android phone which I think will help people understand what’s happening and tune the sub in nicely: Frequency Generator.
Connect the phones headphone output to an aux-in on AVR or amplifier (or an rca input using cheap adapter cable), and the app lets you wind the freq up and down with a slider. You can hear when the main speakers start to drop off, and adjust sub crossover to start responding there or a bit higher if preferred.
Also good for balancing the sub volume to the main speakers volume.
Nice!! Awesome find and awesome suggestion! Thanks
Hi. Let me get this straight. I have a pair of active speakers (edifier airpulse a100) with subout RCA port and rel t5/x subwoofer with low level input and LFE input. From what I understood from your video I should stick RCA into the LFE because crossover is being done on the active speaker side? REL recommends sticking into the low level.
Great tip but you didn’t address the volume control. Do I set the on the Sub all the up and adjust in the receiver speaker output control or do I set speaker output to 0 and use the manual out volume on my sub???
Set the out volume on the sub around 50% to start with. Then make the adjustments in the AVR. If you can't get enough level with the AVR settings, increase the control on the sub to 75% and readjust in the AVR.
Question, so if the subwoofer have deep mood, should I keep it on or off if I’m using the corssover ?
Thanks. Mine is set at about 80Hz. Time to change it to the 200Hz now on my sub woofer. Ha. Mine does not have LFE.
What an informative video. So well explained. Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it enough to comment, thank you.
Interesting and informative, as always. Thanks! I look forward to your posts.
For some reason, I couldn't recall what LFE abbreviated... , I was thinking Low Frequency ... E-something. Finally had to look it up. :) Encoding. Doesn't sound right, but I looked it up on the internet so it must be true.🙃
Nice to hear, thank you! And it actually stands for Low Frequency Effects 🙃
Great video of watch numerous ones and you really explained this one well, perhaps you can help me?
I have a dent on AVR X6400H , with a pair of Polk Audio RT 3000s they are older speakers, but they have satellites on top and subs below so I’m basically running two subs on each side of the room with a dedicated LFE line ,should I run Main or Main+LFE
Andrew, thanks ! You helped me about my freq.settings. I have an old (2018) Jamo sub. Jamo sub has two rotary. One is Hz, its OK:)) Second is the LEVEL rotary. (minus endless to zero) My question is what level setting should I adjust on sub when I calibrating my pioneer vsx933 with its own microphone? By the way what level setting is recommended by the LEVEL rotary?
All Yamaha Bookshelf
Speakers FREQUENCY as below.
AVR - Yamaha HTR 3072 (5.1)
Center - 58Hz - 45Khz
FS - 57Hz - 45Khz
SS - 62Hz - 20Khz
SW - 20-160Hz
According to abv what crossover is to be set.
Current I set 80HZ
My AVR’s manual clearly states to set the subwoofer volume midrange & the cutoff to max. And the AVR handles the cutoff.
Hello sir , I’m confused, I have 3 Klipsch subwoofer with all 3 gain set to 50% and crossover to the max- do I put the Onkyo receiver crossover to 80hz or 120hz ?
Thank you. I know nothing about any of this and you explained it simple enough for me to successfully set up my audio. Use the tuners crossover (80hz), take the woofers crossover out of play by turning the dial to the highest frequency. Done. No other video I watched broke it down like that.
Great video, thank you. Now i need another video on what to set the LPF for LFE frequency to vs all the other speakers in my 7.2.4 system.
When replacing a crossover, should the new crossover assembly be mounted on the back, or bottom of the speaker box?
Im currently in the process of replacing the crossovers in a pair of budget speakers, where the old crossovers were tiny, and attached to the back of the speaker power input connectors.
The new crossovers are considerably larger.
Thanks for this video.
I have a sound bar and wireless rear speakers.
The tv has no rca outs.
If use optical out and convert it to rca and connect to a powered subwoofer will I get independent sound from the subwoofer?
I’m confused??? What’s the crossover from the AVR? On my Denon my setting is LFE set to 120, on my sub the crossover is 150. Can you clarify this please?
Extremely good information, I had the settings on my subwoofers in my home theater set to 80hz. After watching your video, I turn the crossover to bypass, so my home theater processor do the job by itself. Really good information. Hope you do more for home theater subwoofer settings, you really explain it good.
Thank you, that’s great to hear! I’ll try to cover more subwoofer topics in future videos.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters can't wait. Thanks
I've gone with old classic Rel Q50 for my setup and this video helped to configure it right, thanks :D
Thank you so much dude thank you I had my subwoofer at 80 hurt and it didn’t sound real good so I proved it up and it sounds way better in the movies. Thank you.
What is the perfect Gain in a subwoofer and how too adjustment?
It will depend on the rest of your system, but if you are going to drive the subwoofer from a sub out on an AVR, I usually recommend setting the level control on the subwoofer to its mid-point to start and then level match with the AVR output levels. If you need to go above 0.0dB in the AVR subwoofer trim, increase the control on the subwoofer itself. You want the controls just open enough to be able to balance the sub output with the rest of your speakers.
One thing to add from experience: Power outages. I'm mostly a 2 channel listener now. I have an AVR that can control crossover. But when the power goes out it goes back to defaults. I like using the physical crossover dial on my sub since that stays put. The starting point of 80 Hz seems to work well with my M3Ti's. The sub is a small basic 1010 from ELAC.
That’s very strange that you’re AVR does not have non-volatile memory that saves your settings when power is disconnected, but I understand completely why you prefer in physical crossover dial!
@@AxiomHomeTheaters It's a Panasonic about 15 years old. Short outages don't matter but we've had some outages over a day where the settings are lost.
@@BobGeogeo Ah, that’s probably the difference. Sometimes the memory is backed up by a large value capacitor that will keep the settings for a short time, but not days.
Thanks this advice, and the hum elimination video
Thx!
But what about that "Normal/Reverse" switch?
What is the difference between subwoofer and bass setting.
What it should be?
You must be Canadian!! Or from Minnesota
Thank you sir as always great tips I really appreciate it 👍
You’re welcome, and thank you for taking the time to comment.
I have 2 questions for you Sir.
I have a Denon AVR-S960H it's advertises that it can do Atmos but, there no hook up in the back for heights speakers. I have 2 front speakers that have built in heights and, I don't know where to hook the height to.
My 2nd question is should set my avr to LFE+main? I'm running 2 8inch downward shootings subs from Klipsch Black Reference.
It looks like the “Surround Back” channels on your AVR can be assigned to be Atmos “height” channels. I believe you can only run a 5.1.2 setup with this AVR, not 7.1.2. Unless the subs you have are built into the main speakers, I would set the AVR to LFE only and make sure the mains are set to large.
Hi I’m still a bit confused 😢. What does it means if I set up the subwoofer to 150 Hz settings? Can it still do low frequency since it’s a sub and I will expect it to be able to reach those low frequencies
Yes, all the crossover setting is doing is setting the highest frequency the subwoofer will reproduce. It does not alter the low frequency extension.
How about introducing a high-pass filter before the power amplifier (after the preamp) and hence take the bass significantly down for the speaker and let the subwoofer signal be guided by subwoofer crossover.
Yes, this is an excellent route to take with a stereo-only setup with separate pre and power amp!
Thank you for this video
Thanks
Great explanation! Thanks
Andrew, always a good topic. Good refresher course. Thank you
Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to comment.
ok, I have speakers with 45-20.000 and an active subwoofer...which value I start with the crossover and which volume you should start....from where I can use my ears, I need a starting point. 👍😉
I would start with a subwoofer crossover at 60 Hz and the level around the mid point. You can listen and adjust from there.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters Thank you...I did your advice...for me the best sound is crossing at 80. Volume is 50% but sometimes to much, I turn down to 30% it depends the quality of Music. I like the albums of Sabaton, Legends of Bonfire, Tambu of Toto and the latest albums of Kansas. They sound terrific with your advice, thank you 👍👍
@@volkiruski1221 You're very welcome, glad you've got your system set-up to sound great! Always happy to help.
Hi please help me I am some confusion this crossover point
My focal sopra n2
Frequency response 34Hz-40khz
Low frequency point (-6dB). 28Hz
Center focal Electra
Frequency response 55Hz-40khz
Low frequency point(-6dB)50Hz
Rear surround
Bipolar focal sr800v
Frequency response (+/-3dB)
75Hz-28khz
Low frequency point(-6dB)65hz
Back surround focal 806v
Frequency response +/-3dB 55Hz-28khz
Low frequency point-6dB 47Hz
My subwoofer Definitive technology power field Reference
Please suggest me what is the perfect crossover and
For sub LFE 80Hz or 120hz
Please reply respected sir thank you
You can’t reply this sir please reply
I would recommend setting the main speakers to large and the rest to small. Then set the subwoofer/LFE crossover to 80Hz. That should work well.
@@AxiomHomeTheaters other speaker 80Hz front large
Lpf for LFE 80or120Hz
@@taheralikhan5771 yes, that's correct.
Hi Andrew, I’ve finally saved enough to upgrade to a complete Axiom setup this summer. That being said I’ve been enjoying my existing Mirage collection which you engineered. It includes a pair of OMD-28’s an OMD-C2, a pair of OM-9’s and a pair of Omni 260’s with 6 OMD-5’s for my height layer and 4 BPS-400’s for sub duty. My bedroom system is a pair of OM-5’s which I absolutely love. Needless to say your being at Axiom is what attracted me to the brand and for about six months now I’ve been saving and planning to upgrade my Atmos system to an Axiom setup. I recently picked up a pair of M-80’s off the second hand market and was absolutely blown away. You guys are truly a hidden gem in a market saturated with under whelming products advertised with marketing buzzwords. Keep up the amazing work!
Thank you so much! Wow, that is quite the collection of Mirage models…I don’t think I have that many myself. I’m glad you’re enjoying the M80s!
Straight to the point 👉!! Nice.
Question. I'm running bass Shakers. So I have an amp plate that I use to running the Shakers.. now the question is what dial should I run the crossover on the sub plate. I know for a traditional subwoofer we set the dial to the highest crossover point . Now does this apply to the bass shaker amp as well? The lowest setting on the amp plate is 40hz.
Thanks! Now bass shakers are one area where I am not well versed. Does the manufacturer have any recommendations?
@@AxiomHomeTheaters not really.
@@rindershow212 I would reach out to them I’m sure they’d be happy to offer advice.
Great video...thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it enough to comment, cheers!
You are saying don’t use crossover in subs use the bypass setting on sub, to use crossover in avr instead
Correct. If you’re using the subwoofer output from an AVR, I always suggest using the crossover settings in the AVR and bypassing the crossover on the sub.
Great video clear and direct. Thank you Sir I was really having a problem with my denon AVR and my subs, alluded tech 5.1 system. 2 towers not powered because older Def Techs with out powered sub sounds great without the possible of powered sub. I have all set to small now I think that seems to give a more timbre matching system. Crossover in Receiver set to 80 and the at 200 to get out of the way. My question is when I switch to stereo for music, what if any bass goes to my towers front speakers???
@@secretsq100 Your AVR should keep the same crossover settings whether you are in a multi-channel or stereo mode. Your front towers will only extend down to 80Hz and the rest will go to the sub. Now there are some AVRs on the market that allow different settings for multi-channel or stereo, so I would consult your manual.
I have an old school JVC AVR and it has only one crossover setting. Does that control the crossover for both the speakers and sub?
I have a Cambridge AXR100 reciever with a sub output that has the crossover at 200hz. Should I then hook that to the LFE input on my SVS 1000 Pros?
That crossover should be able to be changed to lower settings, so you would need to see which works best with your main speakers. Since the receiver is performing the crossover for the sub, use the LFE input.