Kim Stanley Robinson: Writing the Future Story People Want

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024

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  • @karenf8470
    @karenf8470 2 роки тому +5

    I read this earlier this year...might revisit it. I'm not a comfortable reader of science- and related fiction in general, but Ministry drew me in because it was so relatable. Disturbingly so in some instances. Thanks, Laura, for another great interview, this time with the man behind these compelling stories.

  • @Ianpact
    @Ianpact 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you, Kim Stanley Robinson and Laura.

  • @elizabethstreb9753
    @elizabethstreb9753 2 роки тому +3

    I’m waiting with, once again, ‘Bated’ breath!

  • @danitageltner2041
    @danitageltner2041 2 роки тому +3

    Great show !!! I learned a LOT !!!

  • @barbarajohnson1442
    @barbarajohnson1442 2 роки тому +2

    Very good questions! Thank you.

  • @danitageltner2041
    @danitageltner2041 2 роки тому +3

    Me too !!

  • @mikelisacarb
    @mikelisacarb Рік тому

    Somehow he actually supplies us with a truly plausible happy ending. Inspirational book on climate change!

  • @jamesbelcher9588
    @jamesbelcher9588 Рік тому +1

    Thank you both for your work. I love love love how Stan says "green quantitative easing" instead of "MMT". Many people who shut down at the latter would likely nod their heads at the former.
    Hard disagree on third parties, though. They're part of getting ~90 million non-voters reinvested in democracy. And fixing democracy is the key to fixing the climate / sustainable resource management; see "Co-Operating with the Future" by Hauser et al, 2014.

  • @Adam-Flint
    @Adam-Flint 11 місяців тому

    I have mixed feelings about the book. Many qualities: I like the dispersed format of the story, some aspects of the style, some useful reminders such as "climate change is real and caused by humans," or "we are in the sixth mass extinction," or "this is the Jevons paradox." But too many things are plain wrong. Chapter 56 in the book: "The US and several other big countries had withdrawn from the court’s jurisdiction (The Intertnational Criminal Court of The Hague) after negative rulings against their citizens." whereas in our real world: "The General Assembly (of the UN) convened a conference in Rome in June 1998, with the aim of finalizing the treaty to serve as the Court's statute. On 17 July 1998, the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court was adopted by a vote of 120 to seven, with 21 countries abstaining. The seven countries that voted against the treaty were China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, the U.S., and Yemen." Quite another reality...
    Chapter 55 in the book, writing about France: ...the Commune of 1848... No. The Revolution of 1848 (the third one) from February 22 to February 24, 1848, led to the abdication of King Louis Philippe and to the foundation of the Second Republic. The Commune was in France a Parisian insurrection against the Third Republic, from March 18 to May 28, 1871. The two are never confused, neither in French nor in English.
    When you know Switzerland, it is kind of hilarious to see it portrayed as a welcoming country for refugees, and in Chapter 47, you might be led to believe that the Swiss banking industry is an old thing of the past that has little to do with Swiss prosperity (LOL). And about Germany and France, chapter 50: "...the rest of the world was irrelevant, or at most instruments to be used." What should one say, then, maybe, about the USA? About China? etc.
    But the worst thing is the substance of the book. The reader might be led to believe that, yes, the climate situation is very, very bad (it starts like that in Chapter 1), but don't you worry too much, "clean energy", geoengineering and human goodwill will save us... in some decades, when many scientists today estimate we may have already crossed irreversible tipping points, when James Hansen writes "Eventual global warming due to today's GHG forcing alone - after slow feedbacks operate - is about 10°C." An increase of 5°C is generally considered beyond the point of extinction for humans. So false hope not based in reality is noxious, an anesthesic against action. Really, this is the only kind of book our contemporary fiction literature has to offer other than apocalyptic/survivalist, Rambo type, or stupid zombie series?
    At the most defining time in human history, maybe the end of humanity, I'd like to give this excerpt of "Where is the fiction about climate change" by Amitav Ghosh, in The Guardian (the whole article is online and worth reading).
    "In a substantially altered world, when sea-level rise has swallowed the Sundarbans and made cities such as Kolkata, New York and Bangkok uninhabitable, when readers and museum-goers turn to the art and literature of our time, will they not look, first and most urgently, for traces and portents of the altered world of their inheritance? And when they fail to find them, what can they do other than to conclude that ours was a time when most forms of art and literature were drawn into the modes of concealment that prevented people from recognising the realities of their plight? Quite possibly, then, this era, which so congratulates itself on its self-awareness, will come to be known as the time of the Great Derangement."
    As global warming and overshoot don't happen in a vacuum but are descending on our society with politics, here is an excerpt from "Parable of the Talents" by Octavia Butler (1998):
    "Jarret was inaugurated today.
    We listened to his speech-short and rousing. Plenty of “America, America, God shed his grace on thee,” and “God bless America,” and “One nation, indivisible, under God,” and patriotism, law, order, sacred honor, flags everywhere, Bibles everywhere, people waving one of each. His sermon-because that’s what it was-was from Isaiah, Chapter One. “Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate as overthrown by strangers.”
    Adam Flint, author of "Mona," on Amazon.

  • @gamingtonight1526
    @gamingtonight1526 11 місяців тому +1

    1.5C next year, 2C before 2042. The latest IPCC report tells us we're too late. So good luck, civilization.

    • @Adam-Flint
      @Adam-Flint 11 місяців тому

      Really, the publishing industry cannot come up with a realistic novel of what is happeniing at the most defining time of all human history? Is this kind of hopium useful for action? This emotional and ideological denial is another sign of the inablility of our civilization to save itself, maybe to save humanity.