How to Know What’s Really Propaganda
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Peter Pomerantsev, a contributor at The Atlantic and author of This Is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality, is an expert on the ways information can be manipulated. For this special episode, Megan talks with Peter about the role of propaganda in America and how to watch out for it.
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People who tell you what you want to hear are, to say the least, not necessary your friends.
Well said.
Thomas Jefferson said “A well informed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.” We need to discern the difference between truth in the interest of the good and misleading statements that cause harm overall. This can be taught at all levels of education, to spot lies and scams on the internet, TV, newspapers, books, etc.
I think we’re only tackling it one way-through education. I think an additional approach to spotting propaganda would be to be more mindful about our reactions to certain material. Propaganda is highly emotional, appealing to the ethos so I think it’s worth examining the psychology and emotional reactions.
Thomas Jefferson also said 'One thing I love about you high school girls. I keep getting older and yall stay the same age.' - probably
@@entombedlamb5356Is that sarcasm?
@@sr2291no, stupidity. Yucking it up on the way to autocracy...
We have Edward Bernays to blame for a lot of our modern day ‘propaganda’
I just started this video and I would be surprised if they name him.
Based on your comment I'm guessing they don't.
@@joshuanunn9552 , they don’t 😕
@@bonniegaither3994 of course not.
"Convince me I'm special and that I've been wronged, and I'll follow you anywhere, no matter what."
~ Eve, to the Serpent, and
~ Evangelicals, to Trump
At least the Serpent was a being of supernatural beauty and intelligence, according to the narrative. But Evangelicals turned their backs on Jesus for a great, orangey, tilting man who hasn't stopped slandering, accusing, and lying about everything since he became a politician. And they love him. They really, really love him.
Ah, Trump, Isreals favorite son, 😢
~ Capitalists to Social Justice Warriors.
@@richardscathousetrue but AIPAC owns the Democrats as well.
Lol
In my 9th grade world history class, we learned that propaganda does not have to mean falsehood. It means that attempt to "propagate" a certain understanding of facts. That understanding may be objective and free of bias or it may be just what most people think propaganda is.
It's understood to mean that the angle in the story supports the narrative of the organization that created the story or published the story. Nobody using the term propaganda is referring to a neutral story free from bias.
Learn a foreign language and get news from other countries. Many non-English speaking countries have English-language news, e.g. France, Germany. And of course the other English- speaking countries.
True. The number of Americans that actually do that is probably infinitesimal.
Anna Appelbaum creating a podcast at The Atlantic to tell us what propaganda is has to be some kind of dark dystopian joke. Her entire career has been dedicated to propagandizing the American war machine. This would be hilarious if it wasn’t so depressingly Orwellian.
No, her career has been dedicated to countering the Muscovite war machine, including its propaganda war against the West. Are you an agent of Eurasia, or of East Asia, comrade?
YES
GET HER
If this person is so great at propaganda, maybe it’s worth listening to her examination of what it is-kinda learning from the best if anything
Yup
Oh man, the comments XD
Harass the media all you like; they'll never get any better. 😏
No mention of Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent or the Princeton Study or Citizens United. These things are foundational for understanding how and why of propaganda today.
Of course not. Understanding propaganda was never these people's goals.
We're only looking to appreciate the propaganda in-motion.
The citizenry isn't supposed to know how/why it's *made,* or *_why_* it's being used as such.
...or, by _who._ 🎩
In Ten Myths About Israel, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe examines the most contested ideas concerning the origins and identity of the contemporary state of Israel.
1. Palestine was an empty land
2. The Jews were a people without a land
3. Zionism is Judaism
4. Zionism is not colonialism
5. The Palestinians voluntarily left their homeland in 1948
6. The June 1967 war was a war of ‘No Choice’
7. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East
8. The Oslo Mythologies
9. The Gaza Mythologies
10. The Two-States Solution is the only way forward
If they are myths then surely it a myth the Jews are gods chosen people?
No they are the truth as Jews are extra special is the truth… go figure you antisemite.
Papee cannot be trusted.
He is a Hesbolah plant.
He was paid million of dollars to say that stuff:… do your research bro.
I stopped watching TV/cable when reality shows were common in the 2000s. I thought they were stupid and a waste of my time. I did not watch one episode of "The Apprentice". I don't regret it. I already knew about his bigotry, womanizing and how much of a smug know It all he is.
I'm certain people who didn't follow his early life and only watched him for entertainment were duped into thinking that his stage self was his real self. I knew better.
The first season of our local franchise of Survivor and Big Brother had not picked up the editing and production skills yet. They put people in a place and filmed.
And people, when you aren't producing and editing them and setting up situations, are dang boring. The cast were talking about how to fish, or eating chips on a couch.
Me too!
You and most, if not all, of New York City.
We are already close to living in an anocracy.
Rule by _Hideki Anno?_
Both parties owned by aipac.
Being in The Atlantic is a strong indicator…
Immediately you open conflating democracy and capitalism. A country can be democratically socialist. Social democracy, also known as the post war compromise, built the world we know, the world neoliberalism has drained all the life out of. Socialism is the democratizing of the market, so it's immediately MORE democratic than capitalism.
The corporation is a natural evolution within capitalism. In America, corporate charters were initially issued with strict time limits and only if the aim was in the public interest, like bridging the Mississippi. The way capital as gradually, but incessantly, weakened regulation on itself has led to corporations functioning as accountability shields. We thus ensure normalizing activities beyond the pale, and no lessons learned along the way. Institutionalized, repeated, and protected trauma from business to the community. And we see this reflected in our people.
Corporations as the first capitalist evolution then fascism and autocracy are the inevitable end game. Inevitable. Monopoly is the natural outcome, a child can understand this. But look at the corporate structure. Rigid hierarchy.
This is why "government should be run like a business" is a dog whistle to fascists and autocrats. There is nothing democratic about the corporation, it is, itself, an organization built to spread autocracy. The individual business doesn't matter when the system itself results in, not only, autocracy, but plutocracy and oligarchy. Which means the moment they feel their power slip, they'll fund fascism and work to overthrow the democratic process. Autocracy breeds autocracy
You want to save America? You want to save capitalism? End the corporation. There isn't another capitalist answer, all the other answers are neo-serfdom/neo-fuedalism or socialism.
Corporations are brought to you by govt ..
Great reading. ❤
True. But no American, of either political stripe, will agree with you. Darwinian capitalism is their religion and corporations are the ordained institutions.
I've lived in a socialist-based democracy for nearly 40 years. It's messy, there's constant political bickering, higher taxes, less employment mobility but the social safety nets for health and education for EVERYONE are unbeatable.
Hahhahaa Anne applebaum writing on propaganda. NATO war hawk who has lived on both sides of the US corporate duopoly.
I noticed Anne is appearing on novara media as well soon. Does she have a new book coming out and is "protecting democracy" in order to promote it?
You can’t trust anyone who has never seen a war they didn’t like
@@aluisious She doesn't like Putin's war against Ukraine.
Did you get past the first 45 seconds? That was an ad for Anne's upcoming podcast. She does not appear in this program.
@@arimathean4128 if I hear or see Anne Applebaum, it immediately discredits a program. The other people that worked on this are suffering by proximity to her.
This is the Atlantic though so they regularly align with Washington consensus imperialism.
If it's in the Atlantic it's propaganda. That's a good start.
It's very simple, in fact: Beware of the side(s) that strives to silence the opposition, censor uncomfortable speech, take away personal rights, or use various excuses to ostricize and/or judge people not by character but by their various extrinsic characteristics.
Look at who’s been shadow-banned!
If a day goes by and I *don't* get a comment of mine removed, I wonder if anyone reads these things at all...
7:55 just to be pedantic: [incompleteness theorem]... mathematically the truth must be either provable or axiomatic...if the axiomatics are consistent, then theres only countably many provable truths vs uncountably many undecidables...otherwise if that limitation doesnt hold, then the axioms are inconsistent, which means that both X and !X are provable under the same axioms, called a legal system...legal systems are inconsistent for the simple reason that society wont accept "undecidable" when a yes or no answer is desired...&thats why the truth doesnt exist in religion, philosophy, politics, or ethics...
Pigs fly 🐖
The Atlantic coaches us on propaganda.
Hilarious
You know we see you, right?
'This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.'
--Generic Sinclair News Anchor
At 9:40 he wonders why people choose to live under these ways. Read Etienne de La Boetie The Politics of Obedience. Also read The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind by Gustave Le Bon
What's Propaganda?
*The Atlantic*
Propaganda today is starting to work up a world where anything could be truth.
Troll.
@@c.a.savage5689 Pfft, tell that to the hundreds of other people saying the same thing
Why did you notnmention the Freedom of information act and how under a former president it became legal to use propaganda against ulUS citizens?
I hope these influencers never disclosed they were being paid to run clips. To me, a non-attorney, it seems the FTC could then fine them for exactly the amount they were paid by Russia. I hate to see anyone profit from this scheme.
Remember who told you to wear your mask, social distance, and get your jab(s). Then you can identify people spending propaganda.
The Atlantic
Spending or spreading? In any event, your propaganda is weak and unverifiable by actual facts. Try again.
I love this podcast.
Oh I know rhis one! If its something we dont like and is against the interests of the arms industry, oil, or wall street, we call it propaganda and start screaming about russia.
If you're a Putinbot, you are an impressive one. People who dismiss Russia like you just did, as Trump does, usually have interests that are aligned with Russia.
How does that insight make anything easier for us living next to Putin.
If it says The Atlantic it is propaganda
sure boris!
@@tombuilder1475yeltsin or badenov?
@@normanclatcherWhy not mention Becker or Johnson while you're at it?
@@c.a.savage5689 Johnson? Is he even still _relevant?_
Excellent program!
The Atlantic IS propaganda
Pretty rich listening to the atlantic give its take on what is propaganda. They should start by going through the atlantic. Its just pravda for americans.
American Idiocracy, nothing is real. 😢
_And always/never has been._
Luckily, it's very real outside of America.
This channel is propaganda lol
sure boris!
Don't believe everything you think
IT would be a lot easier IF the federal government barred by law from broadcasting domestic propaganda.
Unfortunately the law passed in the 40's making domestic propaganda illegal was changed in 2013.
What is the name of the law? I have worked in communications with the Federal Government and we were never informed that we were allowed to mislead people if it benefited the Government. That would be what you're calling propaganda right? Intentionally misleading people to benefit the government?
I found what you're referring to. That was on Facebook and it is misleading. Have you ever heard of AFN or Voice of America? American's were prohibited from accessing American Military channels in the United States. If you have ever been overseas as military, you'd be familiar with AFN. It's literally a military TV channel for Active Duty military. You were prohibited from accessing channels like AFN in the United States. This removed that restriction. You are spreading disinformation. That's pretty ironic. This allows people access to channels they requested. It doesn't allow the government to make propaganda. If you're ever unsure about a story, check AP News. They are as straight down the middle with fact checking as you can possibly be.
What about the lies we told our citizens to justify the war in Iraq?
Google "U.S. repeals propaganda ban, spreads government-made news" or "fairness doctrine" or "cable news wins ruling on independent programming". Not hard to find.
@@ThatonedudeCR12956 This information is easily verifiable online using key words.. I posted the info only to have it deleted by UA-cam. Basically, in 2013 cable news channels were given a free pass to air opinion/spin pieces masquerading as news.
Tenet Media 😂
The way they’re talking about propaganda, it sounds synonymous with evangelizing
There are much more subtle ways of engaging in propaganda. The key is finding out what ideology an audience already has (even if they don't know they have it) and use confirmation bias to conflate what they believe with what you believe. "Putin's invasion of Ukraine is wrong (what you already believe) so we must send aid to Ukraine (what they want you to believe)". That isn't to say that those things are wrong, Russia's conduct in Ukraine is probably the second closest thing to 17th century imperialism we have today, but there was no logical connection between that and the support we should send to Ukraine. It didn't tell you what "sending aid to Ukraine" looks like. This means that if someone asked you a question on a general survey, saying "do you think the federal government of the USA should send aid in the form of cluster munitions to Ukraine?" You would probably say yes, even though you may not know what cluster munitions are. This lets our government more easily justify sending military aid instead of seeking peace (in the interest of collecting debt from the Ukrainians later on).
Should a Harris/Walz rally include the song "Play That Funky Music White Boy"?
If possible, please use some visuals. It will help to understand.
Podcast. Close your eyes and listen.
Gonna disagree that re using "New Deal" is a great idea. Think of movies where the sequel was a disappointment. Poor ripoffs.
The title of the video was misleading. You could use harsher editing. There is too much navel gazing. Every second needs to be ON POINT.
10:30 - 11:39
Ronald Reagan
Is it from The Atlantic?
It's propaganda.
And your suggestion? Fox News?
@@c.a.savage5689 *The Proletariat
@@ConanDuke Thanks, comrade.
Don't watch the news....
Easy: If it appears in The Atlantic, it's propaganda.
Well then, nothing to see here, eh? I don't go to Fox News, Newsmax, etc. to say it's propaganda. Feel better?
It's a pity that this does NOT come off as a serious discussion. Way too girly and chatty. It's as if they're auditioning for "The View". Even when the author finally comes on at 7:49, l could not bring myself to listen to it. I expect better from The Atlantic.
1.5 voters are disenfranchised for every person made a felon.
Depends on who paid for this podcast 😟
Not on Spotify?
Mmmmmm.
This kept coming up in my "feed" after I had hit "do not recommend channel" more than once so here's a comment: The Atlantic has sucked for a long time and is no longer relevant. You are the propaganda makers, if anyone.
I know right?!? It’s owned by an Australian billionaire. Wait, that’s Fox. My bad.
I disagree. Entirely. Their writers are well educated, informed and write well reasoned articles.
Maybe you just dislike liberal thought and democracy (small D)??
Is this aimed at 12 year olds? Sounds like it. Please label it as such.
It's for sharing with the trumpsters in your life, so...
DEI is also about narrative at the expense of science.
What science?
To help not to manipulate. Do try and keep up Boris.
@@MikeA15206 Sure, Yakov
Is it where people come asking about slavery in Scandinavia and think they have discovered some big secret.
@@SusCalvin yes, it's obvious but despite that, too often people identify with propaganda, like DEI, above science. and hence why DEI is also often associated with censorship on university campuses.
Whelp, your definition of what reality TV shows run on-personal tension-explains why I am not interested. On the other hand, the tension between larger groups of people as exists, for example, between incompatible cultures when forced to share the same physical space, is more interesting.
These are very interesting times in the Untied States of America.
Indeed. Curiouser and curiouser.
Kkkk
Stutter much?
This is propaganda
Maybe you could do chase your tail somewhere else while the adults in the room are having a conversation.
What a sick joke
Then move along little doggie...move along.
Israel: "Hamas is using human shields."
Also Israel [per Haaretz] places Palestinians in Hamas tunnels dressed as IDF.
Israel: "Everything we do is because of Hamas and Hamas is the most evil force in the universe."
Me: "Perhaps you could find your guidance elsewhere."
A lot of it comes from your publication. 😂😂😂😂
Then stick with Truth Social and Fox.
The Atlantic is propaganda
Says the guy with a Tucker Carlson playlist on his channel (no, really). 😂
My respect for Carlson is lower than the dunces who visited North Korea and described it as a utopia. Those fools believed their dream but Carlson out and out tells he does not believe his own nonsense.