Former Conservative and Former Liberal Share Conversion Stories
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0:00 - Intro
0:16 - About That Middle Ground
3:06 - Amala's rise as a conservative voice
8:05 - Amala's political conversion story
13:08 - Trump and Wokeness
19:11 - The rest of Amala's conversion
21:31 - Fox News, conservative media, polarization
27:08 - John's political conversion story
32:04 - Tribal politics
35:39 - Problem focused vs answer-first
37:46 - Trying to not only talk about politics and failing
38:08 - Disagreements on feminism, reparations, racism
50:42 - John as a white male
58:46 - Is politics going to get more civil?
1:03:30 - Fragmented conservative and liberal voices in media
1:10:27 - Final thoughts - Розваги
I'm a Conservative, Christian. My two best friends are Muslim, Liberal and a hardcore Centralist, Jew. We dispute politics and even religion all the time. I can testify that our curiosity to challenge each other in our beliefs in a respectful way over the years has only increased our respect for each other and the ideals we value. I am very blessed to have them in my life! This method of conversation works thanks y'all!
Liberal muslims aren’t a good thing religious wise
Thank you, let's see more of this! Please pass along a fist-bump to those awesome friends!
i’m a muslim and a conservative. Allahu akbar ♥️
no way hahah i am a muslim and my best friends are a conservative Jew and a Liberal Christian
@@sarahsiajibckx770other than the extreme bunch most people from every religion are just chill.
I just want to say that it’s refreshing watching these two be not only civil but very friendly. Wether they agree or disagree on certain topics they still are very respectful.
FYI in case not aware of it the Hill has a show 'The Rising' which has a young lady on the left who really articulates her arguments very well and a guy on the right who have similar conversations regarding the issues the day.
Yes! More of this!
This is how it should be but most of the time the left go crazy and insult the right because they are highly reactive so I commend him for being so civil
Honestly she was way more informed. He even acknowledged picking up his beliefs when they were trendy. I assure you, hers were NEVER trendy, and probably cause her more bad than good. That speaks volumes.
@@ellebelle6439 The left goes crazy and insult the right ? Say the one with all the loud crazy political influencers like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owen, Mattt Walsh and a whole bunch of crazy LMAO
"There's no money in moderation"
Best. Statement. Ever.
That sums up all the reasons of these insanities happening all around us lately.
i agree. that was one of my biggest takeaways from this vid. so simple but so true unfortunately
Capitalism strikes again
@@orangejulius177but what’s an alternative
@@thewarhammerguy5995 Alternatives to capitalism? Well, there's anarcho-syndicalism, marxism-leninism, market socialism... And those are just the first three I can think of.
@@KarlKristofferJohnsson well obviously but I meant what’s an alternative that’s better than capitalism. Not saying capitalism is all around the best thing ever but it trusts humans naked self interest over anything else and seems to be the best system we have
Amala is definitely someone on the conservative side that I really connect with in terms of views. Being that she was a liberal, she’s incredibly knowledgeable on both sides but also has more empathy for the other side than you see with other commentators
She’s not a conservative, she’s more a centrist leaning more to conservative. Most people who have been on both sides end up being centrists which makes sense because they understand both sides and at the same time see the less good sides of both.
I'd say most of us conservatives started off as liberals. I know I sure did.
@@sweetlemonade6925 she's a grifter she saw her lane .."hey I left the left look how crazy they are now send me money "
@@aaroncarl2493? The leftists make money too
@@velatogetnaw there are tons of conservatives who’ve always been lol.
I think most conservatives know that organizations like Jubilee are run by liberals in how they phrase certain prompts for their shows... But I do really appreciate what they've done here. The US needs more conversations like this and props to Jubilee for facilitating it.
for me alot of them are centrist as their nature of their job will alwase have them be questioning both sides, but they do mostly lean left
exactly. it’s clear jubilee is run by those with left leaning views but i’m subscribed because they actually promote discussion and don’t push their views TOO heavily compared to others
Agreed.
Conservatives are famous for not caring about anyone else but them lol.
That’s why you’ve not yet found shows like this anywhere on Conservative networks
They're liberals in the way we used to use the term -- promoting discussion, debate, the "open marketplace of ideas." That's the liberalism of my parents, and the liberalism I still believe in.
As someone who just can't pick a side due to just not agreeing with everything, these two are some of my favorite commentators. Having "ACTUAL" knowledge of the other side makes your comments and opinions mean more.
If you lean right, it just means you more conservative. I'm conservative and only republican because it's the lesser of two evils IMO. We will never agree 💯% with anything.
No political party exists that has positions that someone would agree with 100%
@@fullyactivated this you just say what said but in a simple way 🤬. 😂
@@fullyactivated Right, however, I'm dead center in the political landscape. I agree with sooo many conservative views, but all of it pales in comparison to my stance on gun laws. Fixing the gun issue is above all else for me. I'll gladly vote against all of my other ideals to get that issue handled.
@Alexis Browning so you want to take a right away?
This is probably my favorite Jubilee video ever. Nothing inflammatory, no arguments or ad hominem attacks. Just a civil, engaged, interesting discussion that left me liking both of them more by the end of it.
I feel like the biggest problem in the States is that we think this political binary (you’re either republican or democrat) is the only way to have an election…and then you leave the US and realize most countries have multi party politics (with new parties emerging election cycle!). Moral of the story: travel.
Is it? Considering you pride yourself of having some sort of state independancy, does it matter THAT much, especially to moderates a-la leave-me-alone, which party gets it? You still live in a red state all your life lol
I used to think this until I heard and saw how in those other countries, if one party is actually for the people, it gets ganged up on by all the corrupt parties.
In a two party system, both can be corrupt, but if one gets a good leader through, they can't be ganged up on in the same way.
Bad chances either way, but the odds are better in the latter case.
@@VincentVindicated who is to say that even the best leader can't be drowned out amidst the majority of their own political party?
As a citizen of a country with multilateral party system, our biggest issue is not merely corruption taking hold on politics per se. It's much more that a certain political stream makes up disposable parties every election cycle and markets them as just that: fresh, for people, uncorrupted... When in reality only the most visible leaders are previously more unknown figures, but their teams just rotate the same corrupt people all the time.
Well, we have also some significant issues with certain totalitarian regimes and parallel political views from our history, but that's another topic.
Damonnnn
That's just spreading the crap thinner. The losers just side with whomever wins , and the crap gets thick again.
As someone that is mid, i HATE how you cant agree with one side without people just assuming youre on the otherside... I've been called a coconut by the left and a libertard by the right and i never realized how much Amala's content made me realize that its ok to pick from both sides.
Exactly, we’re not supposed to be one or the other, it’s not really healthy and it’s nearly impossible to agree with every single thing on either side. Things aren’t supposed to be so radical and extreme, I think most people agree with policies on both sides
I CANT take the “coconut” insult seriously I’m so sorry-
bruh what is that insult even supposed to be LOL@@KP4views
@@sarahkaltenecker idk, liberals make up the weirdest insults.
@@sarahkaltenecker If the person is of Mexican or Hispanic descent, then coconut is a put down to say that their Hispanicness or Mexicaness is only skin deep and little to no true connection to their supposed ethnic/racial background or culture. They have more in common with Anglo-Americans than with their own people. A coconut is brown on the outside but white on the inside.
In Poland we have a saying that poorly translates into English, but it can be roughly translated as 'we can remain graceful in disagreement'. Those two surely did a good job reminding me of that saying.
Some people say: "We can agree to disagree".
@@Goldenskies__ that works, too :)
We can always disagree, without being disagreeable.
I'm astounded by John's questions, they're SO GOOD. That's a guy that knows how to interview people and get them speaking through every relevant thing.
It’s crazy how cordial and polite people that open themselves up to new perspectives communicate.
"can you get a close up"
Farthest distance possible from object 😭
when a card gets corrupted 😭
We need more civil conversation like this. Things have become so extreme
Both liberals and conservatives have became so extreme these two are both moderate one leaning toward conservatives and one leaning toward liberal
@@jaitara3781but we don't ever really hear too much about the extremes of the left bc as we know the MSM is left leaning, big tech is left leaning, schools are left leaning so I don't get to see people on the left being held accountable or called out as much as the right is called out even when it's not true
Everything is a debate these days. Hate it. So much ego, so much sources that you don't know what to trust, so much expectations of each other that if you don't meet them you are opening yourself up to be disrespected. Just disgusting. Good conversations is what we need.
I'm a conservative but John seems like a thoughtful person and respectful, so it doesn't bother me if he is more vocal about his beliefs in episodes. I understand it's risky but I think as long as Jubilee is good about giving space to people with diverse viewpoints, it's ok for him to share personal beliefs. It's what Jubilee is about.
Yes I am glad they were able to have a civil conversation about their views but the only thing is is that John asked Amala many more of the questions without really giving much of his side. I understand he was supposed to keep the ball rolling by bringing in new topics, but I would have loved to see him go in depth a little more about his beliefs. Nothing wrong with Amala at all! She did amazing, but she just seemed more questioned. As someone who leans more to the conservative side, I would have loved to hear more of John’s side as well 😊I just haven’t heard of that many former conservatives turning into liberals and was interested hearing more of his story but he didn’t go into much detail so I was sort of left hanging.
@@sweethope1095 Agree 👌
I love a healthy, respectful conversation between people of opposing ideals ❤
This is one of the most constructive discussion on this subject that we can listen to! I’m libertarian, although sometime feel extreme offensiveness coming from our side and once if I say something “they didn’t want to hear”, I’d be like traitor…Feel like the key here is to listen the opponent, then speak about you. This “you have to decide one side, and go to the extreme of it, if not you liar” phenomenon seems to me toxic. Thanks a lot for this video, hope this would help both sides of people to stay calm and listen to others!
I think the concept of having to divide your views into one of very few categories is outdated and ridiculous. You don't have to decide if you're red or blue, or distinguish between labels of any kind. Think for yourself in every single issue and vote accordingly, regardless of what category others would put you in for those choices. I have many progressive and many conservative views, just depends on the issue. We are not meant to be so stringent in our thoughts, we should be open minded and truly introspective.
🤌🤌🤌
Unfortunately though the way our government works when you support one thing about a certain party unfortunately you’re supporting that entire party. If you are “pro life” but also against tax breaks for the rich well unfortunately the person u vote for that is “pro life” most likely supports tax cuts. You have yo weigh your options in our system. Im not saying its right but its how it is. If you think you’re only support a portion of a part you’re still supporting all of it.
@@Bameslin I disagree with this binary thinking. You don’t have pick a side, be quite and fall inline. I believe civil discourse is a grass roots effort and media and give our a reflection of that. You can also vote locally and volunteer as to exercise more nuance in your beliefs.
I think this is starting to happen when you look at the latest polling data and see that independents now make up the majority of voters in the US (majority as a percentage of 3 parties not majority of population) We’re bombarded with left vs right media but the data is showing that around 41% of Americans identify as independents
@@jaliteration With both sides being so clearly defined often with extremes nowadays, wouldn't you say not picking either side is denying reality? Sure politics used to be more moderate but now we're debating morals.
interesting how Amala is 22 and her views really align to centrism and my beliefs are aligned with hers but the explanation she gives is much more transparent, clean and twice matured despite today's reasoning. I am studying humanities so I think us young adults need more humility and less agressive or prideful individual claims because really it's nonsensical.
I honestly don't see how she can be considered right wing even. It seems that she approves of feminism, just not the radical kind that is getting more popular nowadays. She believes in climate change, just not that the world is ending in 12 years. She acknowledges racism and income inequality, she just doesn't think that throwing money at these problems automatically solves them. I am kind of center but more left leaning and I wholeheartedly agree with the majority of what she said. In general I think she just uses common sense and is more center rather than rightwing.
@@BaconPancakesNL o yeah my comment is wrong, clearly I have to know right terms that define political opinions hehe. Thank you for correcting me.
@@Evenie_ what do you mean lol? I never said your comment is wrong and I wasn't correcting you. I was just adding my thoughts to the discussion.
@@BaconPancakesNL I'm laughing at my mistake and I'm aware that adding your thoughts have good intentions so I also said thanks for correcting my former remark.
@@Evenie_ Oh sorry. I think I misread it as sarcasm haha
Amala isn’t religious?! This is why I love her. I’m conservative and not religious. Conservatism is easier to back up when religion is not in the conversation. It stands on its own!!
Well I think you should still respect us 😅 :)
Bang on
I was very religious when I leaned left, and I became more conservative the more I became agnostic.
Maybe because now I understand is even more my responsibility to help society not to crumble, and you need a lot of discipline and self-responsibility to do that.
Being chaotic isn’t a choice anymore as God may not be there to fix and forgive at the end, so the chance we get can’t be wasted by us becoming a numbing irresponsible mess of a civilization.
@@Ajgamesalot did anyone ever say that religious people shouldn’t be respected? Nah respect everyone but when you make points and say facts come from an unproven superbeing you can’t expect anybody to believe what you’re saying. That’s like the left telling us to believe somebody needs a sex change because a fairy told them so. Just saying
@@kora4185 Can you elaborate on your last point? I might be misunderstanding but when you say God may not be there to fix and forgive in the end, does that mean you believe He'd lie to us and purport to being forgiving, but not actually? Do you also mean He'd die (?) so He wouldn't be there in the end? Again, I could be misunderstanding your claims, so I'd love if you explained yourself more.
Amala is a gem
People with different beliefs talking calmly and respectfully? Nah, too good to be true.
i can’t believe she is 22! i’m the same age and she is so much more well spoken and sure of herself and her beliefs. i’m so impressed
There are times I’ve found her immature but now that I know she’s 22? I’m honestly astounded how polite and thoughtful she is
You should read books more.
I love how jubilee actually listens and gives the people what they want
Such a great conversation! I get tired of not being able to find a balanced perspective. Hearing two educated, knowledgeable people from different outlooks is refreshing. More of this!
Great interview. And great to hear 2 young Americans who disagree have a civil discourse. Older Americans could learn from you.
Wow I love this. As someone who has always been middle ground it makes me so happy to see people having a regular convo.
I really hope to see conversations like this becoming the norm. Thank you both for all that you do.
THAT'S how a constructive, mature conversation is held!!!
I came away from this conversation feeling like I gained something, that I am smarter for having listened to your dialogue. Thank you for a pleasant conversation!
I absolutely love Amala and have been following her for a hot minute now. John, you were an AMAZING host. Love this conversation. I wish we could all discuss and share in this way, regardless is we agree or disagree with one another. This gives me so much hope. Thanks to both of you for what you do!
Love these! Here we get much more articulate discussions. Also appreciate that the editing isn't as agressive. Please do more!
I love Amala and follow up on her a lot. Both of them are really well spoken and respectful. Very informative
As a moderate who has experienced time on both the right and the left, I feel profoundly moved by this discussion and seeing people come to mutual understandings and hold sincere discourse.
Thank you so much for this episode! You are both able to articulate your points well that it doesn’t feel like either side is being attacked for the sake of the fact that you don’t agree.
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this video is actually so wholesome to watch, especially after getting so stressed out about the middle ground video these two were in.
That was lovely, not boring. An actuall conversation between people who disagree but seem to honestly love and respect one another. These are the kind of conversations we should be striving to have in our lives and hopefully itll trickle down to all media. Props guys!
This was so amazing. It's so nice to see two people with different views talking it out instead of yelling at and accusing each other.
I love their conversation about packages!! its so much easier to package a list of ideas and align yourself with a side when, as mentioned, political issues have an incredible amount of nuances. As a young conservative, ive been watching Jubilee for a couple years and I wish more people in my community would be open to having these kinds of productive conversations.
being a Conservative who was a liberal until a few months ago this is great. I love that they talked civilly. Ive been in areas where it was liberalcentric where there majority didnt want to hear the other. This happened when I was both a conservative and when I was a liberal
Why did you become a conservative ?
@@lawtraf8008 I became conservative due to fiscal reasons. Started paying taxes etc. I am still socially liberal though but vote Republican as I dont really care about social issues as much as i do fiscal/foreign policy
@@lawtraf8008Cause its become so openly used that even people who haven't changed, who are fence sitters get called right wing just for disagreeing on one issue or wanting a common-sense middle ground solution.
@@shaneprince6572 Of course you don't care about social issues, you're White and a Man, the ultimate privilege combo, there's no social issue threatening you. Thank God all white men in this country aren't as selfish and self absorbed as you.
@@DgardsGaming Nothing is openly used. If you disagree with anything that about people's freedom to live their lives and to make their own choices as they wish then yes you ARE a right wing.
Personally, I'm a conservative in my personal life but I'm a liberal politically.
I really, REALLY loved this - normal people with reasonable views, rationally speaking their beliefs
It’s like going from a bar fight in the mainstream media to having a drink with a best friend 😌
I really appreciate that he clearly notes that when religion no longer develops one's morality, that burden necessarily falls onto one's politics. This is a hugely important point for people to be very honest about.
This conversation was so wonderful!!! So rare to see people sitting down respecting each other ❤❤❤
Thank you for doing this! It is so hard to find intelligent, compassionate conversations between liberals and conservatives on the internet, or platforms that have moderate voices!
I wish this kind of conversation existed more of the time. Really enjoyed hearing a healthy discussion instead of people hating on each other.
this video should have been called “two centrists agree” because nothing of substance was discussed. it sounded like two classical liberals talking about ‘kids these days’. her beliefs in gender and race weren’t probed or countered despite being misinformed, and he isn’t educated enough about the issues he brings up (solutions to climate change, racial injustice) for any valuable discussion; being uninformed about solutions doesn’t mean they aren’t being discussed, you’re just not listening.
@@equinox2584oh my gosh that's so funny that I'm on the other side but with the same opinion. Like my main beef with Amala is that she doesn't go into what her fundamental values are. He at least alluded to his a little bit like what he values. But I don't know maybe I'm overthinking
@@Nearthelighting yeah I'm subscribed to her because I like her movie reviews but when I was listening to one of her longer podcasts, religion was brought up and she totally brushed it off which I thought was off-putting.
I'd argue that this is a really good video for a number of reasons. First, it's good to put out a video of people from either sides of the aisle agreeing on lots of topics, or having a good discussion on what they each believe in and where they came from. In a media-scape where we see rapid attacks and passionate videos its SO GOOD to see an actual conversation that mimics what normal people would sound like. In Amala's podcast, she does get so much more loud and passionate--because it's a commentary, not a debate or a discourse. Other cultural commentators are the exact same.
She is in the "sweet spot" because that's where her values lie. She's absolutely not afraid to step on people's toes but also understands how to do that respectfully without being a 'conservative warrior'. Especially with her views on religion, where she doesn't follow religious views closely and isn't afraid to defend herself holding conservative views while not being religious, which isn't a popular thing among conservative circles.
@@hannahricket7093 they’re not from either side of the aisle. they agreed on pretty much everything they talked about. americans are just politically illiterate and don’t realize how close the two parties are to one another or how conservative our entire political “spectrum” is.
Ahhh you’re a classic “you’re misinformed” type of person. Only you have the correct information. What was she wrong about on gender? I probably won’t even get to see your reply since I don’t get notifications, and I wont go through the comments again to see if you replied. She isn’t misinformed about anything besides the fatherless kids stat which is a little off.
If I could like this video 1000 times I definitely would! Almost made me tear up to see such a respectful and compassionate conversation about politics. It’s too rare nowadays 🥺
This was great, I’m definitely all for the movement to meet in the middle and keep the foundation of compassion front and center so we can actually make progress and get in a level deeper. I’m definitely someone who grew up on the left but in many ways feel like I have my own road and I thinking testing ideas against eachother in search for a more developed and mature insight is how we should work each eachother in society. I’ve been following Amala through her rise and while I don’t always agree, when she’s in her truth I definitely respect her insight and bridge building. But I also found her more and more often making “destroy the snowflake” tiktok response content (which I’m sure drives up views) but this made me loose respect for her voice. Please girl don’t loose your integrity in your rise… I’m sure there is a way to keep on your growth track without having to stoop to the lowest common denominator of the internet. I want to see you like this. Cheers
Agreed. I began following Amala because she didn’t seem initially to play into the anger industry and she engaged in intelligent and rational dialogue that allows me to seek understanding and balance my world view; however there has been a few TikTok’s that seemed to be more about getting clicks than having honest and open dialogue. My favorite videos of hers are when she engages in civil discourse with a person of opposing views or mediates the discourse. Please more of this type of content.
John you've always seemed like a cool guy. I've been jealous of you as a director abd basically wanted your job. I loved being in a video you directed. Because of you i even considered working at Jubilee. You seem like a nice cool guy. That's all.
This discussion was amazing I kinda even wish they had a chance to continue longer.
I wish there was more of this! I love how respectful they both were. ❤ Great conversation to listen to.
This was an excellent discussion, it’s fantastic when 2 respectful and intelligent people can converse so clearly, it makes advancement for the human population possible
I could listen to these two talk for hours. Amazing conversation. I relate so much to John's story and I love the verbiage he uses to describe that time in his life. I resonate with him on so many levels. I also really appreciate Amala's groundedness. She gives me hope that we can agree on absolute truths and start making real progress. Very refreshing discussion
Such a respectful discord. Amala you speak so intellectually, quick, and confident. Great job!
WOW i have never seen the word 'discord' used in a serious meaning lol
This was great, very interesting to listen to! You both are so eloquent, my English has not been challenged this much in a while (but I'm grateful for it!). :d I really like how calm, respectful and compassionate both of you were and I truly wish us as humans would move into this sort of direction of having (or trying to have) more empathy and understanding for others in the future (both in politics and in our day-to-day lives).
Videos like these needs to be seen by the masses
I love this. As a more liberal person, I just have SO much respect to people like you both who can reach across and have a meaningful conversation. Different viewpoints and listening to every POV is so important and is one of the things I think is important to our democracy. We can be biased and we all have opportunity to understand and even learn. Soooo important to critically think and explore why we believe what we believe, and not just reinforce our beliefs with all likeminded people.
Politics are so polarizing and we too often forget that the vast majority of people come from a good place, and only want the betterment of this country. Same as anyone.
The fundamental divide is about how to help people, I agree. I read an interesting article once that described the left believing in dropping ropes down to pull people up. The right was described as believing in ladders to help people climb. I thought that was very descriptive. I am way more a ladder person, personally. I see it as the ultimate solution.
But each issue needs consideration on it's own merit and a rope being sometimes required to get people to the bottom of the ladder. If the rope can never be taken away because the people won't climb or you haven't gotten them to the bottom wrung, I don't see that as success. I see that as creating a dependent class forever dangling from a rope.
Fixing the education system would go a long way to fixing society's problems imo. I just don't have a particularly good suggestion as to how to do that.
amala is definitely not red pilled...being a conservative doesn't mean being red pilled. She even critisized red pilled podcast dudes several times...
Only about 15 mins in, but this is fantastic so far! Came to watch Amala, but I love that Jubilee is actually trying to bring people together.
Really enjoyed your conversation! It's so refreshing in times like these! Some people who change political views are in danger to become pretty radical and close minded to the opposite side. It's so nice both of you use your experience to empathise with the opposite side.
It seems to me that now if ever the American people is open to un independent party to join the elections? Would you agree with that and is that something both of you would support or even join?
Thanks again!!
We need more of these types of discussions.
Very productive conversation. Both are well spoken and know how to communicate in a compelling manner rarely seen today. Bravo to you both.
They should have her and her mother on here to talk. Since her mother saw her grow up and knows her very well and vice versa.
videos with these topics always make me feel a bit fired up and annoyed but i’m happy that both of these people are pretty respectful and articulate well
Great to see some sober-headed people talk with each other.
John is nice but his viewpoints lack depth. It feels like he just repeats what he heard instead of studying it
So SO important to have a voice like her’s heard, a step in the right direction jubilee, thanks!!!
John! I loved your interview style and laid back and honest thinking, sensing and consideration of what you were hearing. Thankyou for this I thoroughly enjoyed this one, even more so than many of the middle ground episodes, of which I have watched many!
Second Amala's recommendation of Thomas Sowell. If you haven't already picked up some of his work you have a treat to come. You won't regret it, particularly given what you shared here about Jubilee, your personal aims and the shared purpose of the team for Jubilee. Thankyou so much for being part of organising and bringing these kind of conversations to us all.
what a lovely respectful conversation :)
An actual CONVERSATION. This is awesome.
I loved this!!! I didnt fully agree with some things said and didn’t know any of the ppl they mentioned but it was a great watch. I cant pick a side tho i feel as if im in the middle ive been watching jubilee for years so i really appreciated the last question and hearing them talk ab how to make the middle grounds better😂😂😂❤️❤️
A meeting of two great minds - I love the cultural insight you two bring - more of this pls 🙌
I am a die-hard liberal and I can agree with many things that Amala said including the fact that presidents should be presidential(I was completely shocked when she said that because I have never heard a conservative critique trump for his lack of appearing presidential and I've spoken to many of them). I personally think she is a fresh face for conservatism and I wish her the best of luck. However, I disagree with many of her ideas especially when it comes to race. I am black and I think that Amala is unaware that many liberals agree with her about issues in the black community, however conservatives generally package them in a disingenuous way to dismiss racism and that becomes dangerous. They generally don't provide solutions or highlight organizations who are spearheading issues surrounding fatherlessness and gang violence(which they have racialized as "black on black crime") but just state them as an issue. It's sort of like ignoring the "come with a solution" idea y'all were discussing. I think they're valid issues that are quite complicated to solve but that doesn't need to be taken away from issues such as police brutality, housing appraisal discrimination, job hiring discrimination, profiling etc. that black people are also victim to. Many times it feels like a "pick and choose" with conservatives when all issues should be highlighted and some shouldn't be used as a tactic to downplay others.
Also, I just wanna add that the empathy that conservatives have towards white people being racially attacked when they can't extend the same sense of empathy for black people being racially attacked is hilarious. Like the amount of anti-black rhetoric I have heard is ridiculous and it's excused as "just a joke".
@@wertsdfg7579 hmm... I'm a conservative and I wholeheartedly agree with Amala more than anyone else. And I want to have a converstation. And this is my stance on the things you said
First, I want to point out that gun violence and fatherlessness have nothing to do with racism. things like gangs are more prevalent in black cultures and I think that has nothing to do with black people being mistreated or discriminated against.
Second, for police brutality, black people on average commit more crimes, and...; wait let me show you an example. Men commit more crimes than women, therefore men (sometimes innocent) get k!IIed by police more than women. I think that logic applies when black people commit more severe crimes in places like the hood, therefore black people are sadly k!IIed more.
Third, as for highering discrimination, I also think those don't exist. You see, people favor other people that are similar to them. As an Asian, when I go to school I want to hang around with other Asians, or even better, Koreans, like me. And when I grow up and when I start hiring, I would probably be more lenient with Korean people. Is that racist of me? That's for you to decide, but I don't think so. You as a black person, won't you favor a black person as to another race? Imagine they have very similar or the same specs. and the only major difference is that one is black like you, and one is Indian. Would you not pick the black person? I believe you would. And that's not racist. Because in the back of our minds, without us knowing it. We favor people similar to us.
@@sexy_u Hi! Thanks for your response! Firstly, I want to say that I never said that fatherlessness and gang violence are related to racism. I said that racism is a major issue IN ADDITION to fatherlessness and gang violence. Also, I was arguing that conservatives bring up the argument of fatherlessness and gang violence to dismiss racism and it becomes dangerous because they're ALL issues worthy of being discussed.
Secondly, you relating crime to police brutality is another reason why I oppose conservative rhetoric. A criminal is supposed to be arrested and tried in court, that's the protocol. Police aren't judges, lawyers, or executioners. The only time they should impose force is when their lives are threatened. There is no justification for killing someone because they're a criminal. Again, criminals are meant to go to jail, not murdered.
Thirdly, there have been well documented studies of hiring discrimination. I would link it here but it's a simple google search away(if you would like for me to provide a source, I can). In relation to you asking if I would hire people who are similar to me, I don't think I can answer that until I am in that position. However, I would hope that I would stick to my values of hiring a diverse workforce of diverse thoughts, backgrounds and lifestyles. If you are hiring someone simply because they share the same race as you, I do believe that it is racism.
Thanks for your fast reply!
First, I just think conservatives are trying to light up way bigger issues in society that may lead to a way worse life than being "discriminated against". (fatherlessness for example) We are not dismissing racism, but we are pointing out that black people having less money (for example) is not due to racism but other issues.
Second, Police brutality is very much necessary. The criminals 9 times out of 10 have a weapon or a gun at hand. And if the criminal is being aggressive and trying to harm the police (especially when backups haven't arrived) Police can't just stand there being point by a gun and trying to "convince" the criminal to not shoot him and go to jail with him. And yes, alot of criminals are aggressive, and may shoot the first shoot (I don't think I can put links in comments or It'd get deleted but you can search up that there are alot of police deaths too) And the police should not wait for the criminals to shoot them first. so yes I think police brutally is much needed. I think this is enough to convince you that police brutally is needed. so back to my original point, men commit more crimes, so men get k!IIed more, black people commit more crimes, so black people get k!lled more.
Third, can you give it a deeper thought? if the two people had the same or very similar specs but one is from your country and one is form Mexico, you would pick the one from your country. If you are not in that position, let me give you an example. Think back to your school days, didn't most girls play with the girls and boys played with the boys? is that sexist? Or let's say there were 2 new students, and one was black and from your country, while the other was indian. Wouldn't you pay more attention to the black kid? I think you would. and that is not racist. people like others that are similar and that's O.K. as for the hiring. This country is a predominantly white country, and just like how you favor blacks a little more and I favor asians a little more, they would favor whites a little more. but go to a predominantly black neighborhood where the ceo's are mostly black, than YOU would get favored more. it's just how things are and people favoring others similar. Not racism. feel free to disagree with all my talking points.
@@wertsdfg7579 As a conservative person, let me asked you in honestly, has your side ever listened to our solutions in good faith? because all what I see is your side thumb their noses and double down. The progressive lefts view on empathy is plain hilarious, short term band aid care, that doesn't produce long term positive results and never touches the underlying causes.
Really heartwarming to see these two have a civil conversation despite having different political views! ❤❤
I like these sorts of respectful discussions. I feel that so many online written discussions (eg Twitter, UA-cam comments) are very polarised and so it's easy to see one side as being good and the other side being bad. But when you actually watch a discussion between two people who disagree you realise most are good people, they just disagree on some things (not all). Too many people now seem to judge an entire person based on a handful of their views and that applies to both sides.
I genuinely enjoyed listing to your conversation. Thank you for content like this!!
For me it feels like voting for conservative nowadays supports more the liberal side than the political liberals.
agreed.
the best political discourse i have seen in a while. rather than reactionary and contrarian for the sake of views/content, this actually focused on the issues themselves. even as someone who would describe myself as left wing, i genuinely enjoy amala's content, even when we fundamentally disagree, because the perspectives we hold both come from a genuine place of empathy and want to improve, which is needed on all ends of the political spectrum.
This was lovely. More of this kind of dialogue. 🙌🏻
I hope to see more conversations like this especially with young people. It's really a breath of fresh air
I feel like if politicians discussed liked that, people from both sides of the spectrum would be more inclined to pay attention to the legislation passed instead of basing their votes on more superficial aspects. Thank you both for being wholesome humans and maybe helping ppl realize they should expect nothing less than what you achieved ☺️
Lets have these two talk to each other again three years from now!
Good idea
What do you think will happen do you think he will change back to conservative?
Great discussion. It's nice to see people with differing opinions talking respectfully
This was such a great and insightful conversation to listen to. I loved this.
19:35 why do so many liberals have this mistaken notion that conservatives are mostly religious and that the reason they are conservative is because of religion? It’s such a superficial understanding of not only conservatives, but also of religion itself. 🤦🏻♂️
What is the basis of the major religions around the world? There are so many religions around the world and they all have their own set of beliefs and deities. But one thing they all have in common is the foundation of morals and ethics. I’ve found that most people who oppose religions completely misunderstand this. Do atheists not realize that religion was the vehicle to teach vast majority of people about morals and ethics for thousands of years all throughout the world in a time when people could barely read, let alone dare contemplate the understanding of moral philosophy?
The irony is the left thinks they are the party of empathy and virtue, yet at the same time oppose the party they think mostly consists of people who follow a set of ideologies used to teach the world about empathy and virtue for thousands of years. It’s sad because it just goes to show how adulterated so many religions have become.
Because what they really are upset at is religion and so it allows then to put you on a “I do not like you box”. From there, they don’t actually listen to what you have to say because well you are the bad guy.
Because, at least in the US, Christianity is used to justify vile views on the right with superficial readings of the Bible. And not as you say, using their Bible to instruct their moral stance. The fact that whole churches in the US support Trump and don’t feel the need to answer to his many moral failings is just one example. And Christians on the left are able to justify their stance without Bible quotes, in fact they respect separation of church and state while allowing their faith to guide them. Of course the people who speak the loudest tend to be the more extreme so you are right that religions can and some have become adulterated
Civil discourse and arguing to find the truth, not to be the victor, are some of my strongest personal values. I have been starved for these types of earnest and bold discussions. I think one of the biggest problems with America is that we don’t have any good role models to show us how to engage with people of differing views.
I am burnt out on the anger industry. Please please keep this type content coming. I would love to participate in this type of dialogue.
I was led here by the short posted by Amal’s and I will say, John definitely surprised me.
He seems like a genuinely good dude and I’m only 9 minutes in. He has such a good line of questioning and seems very smart. He talks kind of like I do where he thinks about what he’s saying very thoroughly and so he talks kind of slow but the whole interaction was very professional without talking in circles and beating around the bush.
Wish this was longer! Here's hoping for a second talk
I'm politically homeless at this point. Im libertarian but the party is an absolute joke. They're all too busy having a pissing contest within the party to get even close to organized. I want no part of the party as it was in 2020. I have some hope of someone to vote for if Dave Smith runs otherwise I will abstain.
Both parties have a bad side. I can admit I have had worse experience with liberals but the old traditional conservatives tend to be the worst. I feel politically homeless too ngl
@@lunarialoonatic Even the new ones are insufferable. You can’t take someone serious who denies reality.
@@lunarialoonatic I'm conservative but because I lean right. But you must be talking about the Christian conservatives.
@@Dawg476What do the conservatives deny? in my opinion it is the left who has completely lost the plot in terms of logic and critical thinking.
there are many examples but i will wait for your response for i get into it
@@DoubleBeezy yeah and traditional ones like my father. I consider myself a bit more right leaned but I definitely avoid people with as strong beliefs as my father
Such a wonderful conversation. Great to see people talking like this.
This was a great conversation and just goes to show that world views are ever shifting and changing. We must have compassion for that.
This was great ! We need more of this!
One thing I would really like to see on middle ground is a fully uncut version- just give me 2 hours of pure discussion because I feel like a lot of people get their views cut down by the final edit
I liked this a lot. I'd like to see a debate between logical conservative and liberals
Also I second the point about parts of the debate getting lost in many of the middle ground live take recordings. I also appreciate the chaos and human behaviour... but would love to listen and follow to a greater degree some of the partial narratives which participants have limited opportunities to express in full - particularly those that are less familar or seem to be on the other side of my current leanings.
I would definitely find value in a follow-up/completion vid of some kind after many, if not all of the middle ground episodes. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the clearest or most useful reflections come from participants after they are out of the facilitated/debate environment.
Very good episode! We want more!!
The small group dynamic seems to function much better than the large group when it comes to civil discourse. That could be part of the answer on how to improve Middle Ground/debate on Jubilee. Open2Debate/Intelligence Squared takes more inspiration from classical academic debate structure and might be a bit overmoderated, but they manage 4-person debates at times pretty successfully by using a very active moderator. The large group format is great as a collage of headline talking points, but putting faces to thoughts (a step better than anonymized opinions online). Branching into smaller groups like this video, especially focusing on two people with better ability to empathize and hold dialogue, could be a great way to expand on larger group interactions and get deeper into the underlying assumptions, data and experiences at work.
We need more of this thank you. I don't understand all the hate nowadays. Society needs both liberals and conservatives. Liberals tend to be great ideas people. They are good at noticing problems and injustices, and brainstorming ideas for solutions. Conservatives are good at being practical with that solution. For example, asking the questions "How much is this going to cost? ""What are other possible side effects this solution could create?" "Could this solution have the opposite effect we are intending?" You need both types of people in society.
I want whoever is designing buildings to be liberal, open minded, and creative. But I want the person in charge of making sure that building doesn't collapse on me to be super rigid and conservative.
this is the first real conversation i've seen in a long time
Nice to see some discourse... Would love to see a part two with some "debate." Would be nice to see them not quite so afraid to hurt each other's feelings next time.