I've just purchased the H.265 for my Ninja V, and you are 100% right: it sucks! my Slog3 footage in H.265 HQ gets a lot of banding when I apply any basic natural LUT. It has so many compression that I can't do anything with my Slog3 footage. Thanks for sharing!
I’m not sure if they fixed the issue since you’ve put out this video, but I use the settings for weddings as it’s a smaller workflow and the footage looks absolutely amazing. I’m shooting on a Canon R5 and a canon r6 mark two
I'm curious if we are buying a licence to enable H.265 Native ASIC support or if we are slapping some compression software on top that the device barely can run. My guess is, it's the latter. Seeing Atomos shift towards the Ninja Phone. I'm thinking they have zero interest in developing or sourcing a H.265 or AV1 capable chip.
Blackmagic has stated that they use reprogrammable FPGA chips in their products but I don't recall if Atomos has ever publicly stated if an ASIC or FPGA is inside the Ninja V. Considering how hot this product runs, H.265 may be done in software instead of a hardware accelerated level.
@@ChristopherDobey FPGA's are not used in final products. They are used to develop new chips and their design is turned into either ASIC, Instruction set or hybrid chips. It's likely that they made a hybrid implementation of H.256 as my My ninja came out 3 years before H.256. For my job I did something similar with ASIC.
Interesting. I just looked up the available bitrates for H.265 via the Ninja V and this is what it says. Maybe it's been updated? HQ - all ‘i’ Frame up to 350mbps MQ - up to 150Mbps LQ - as low as 30mbps
@@skymakai thanks for responding. I was just noticing that the MQ setting showed less recording time then the HQ setting. That’s what led me to your video and to the comments. I think you’re onto something with the actual selection labels being incorrect.
I use the Ninja to record 4K 10 bit NLog/HLG files in H.265 HQ from my Z6II and it looks great. To save a bit of editing, I turn on the HDR option and let it record on the Ninja. I use the screen to aid in getting the exposure correct via the false color setting and I like the look from the finished recording. I’m not understanding why you would use the Ninja to record 1080p, the camera can record at that level with no issues. The point is to capture 10 bit NLog/HLG data, which the camera cannot produce internally, for editing later.
you do know you can just type 30 and 60 fps and everyone knows what you mean. I find the people that have to type the full 29.97 are the types of people who more like that something is technically accurate than actually filming something that is fun and engaging. I filmed the whole thing in "true 24fps" yer cool I am watching the whole thing on my 4 year old phone with a cracked screen while taking a dump. @@ChristopherDobey
This is true, and for example the new Blackmagic PYXIS 6K only supports BRAW w/ 1080p 4:2:0 H.264 proxy. www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpyxis/techspecs/W-BOX-01
Yeah H.265 is suppose to be just as good as H.264 only faster on your computer for editing but i never use it, i use Prores 422 HQ and that works great also use Prores RAW HQ
Especially now with the Apple M2 and M3 chips, H.264 and H.265 are a piece of cake to edit due to hardware acceleration! Though the high PSNR go ProRes 422 HQ is the way to go if available.
I've just purchased the H.265 for my Ninja V, and you are 100% right: it sucks! my Slog3 footage in H.265 HQ gets a lot of banding when I apply any basic natural LUT. It has so many compression that I can't do anything with my Slog3 footage. Thanks for sharing!
The extent of banding is shocking : /
I’m not sure if they fixed the issue since you’ve put out this video, but I use the settings for weddings as it’s a smaller workflow and the footage looks absolutely amazing. I’m shooting on a Canon R5 and a canon r6 mark two
That's great to hear because the macro blocking and banding of the poor H.265 encoding was unusable at the time of recording.
I'm curious if we are buying a licence to enable H.265 Native ASIC support or if we are slapping some compression software on top that the device barely can run.
My guess is, it's the latter. Seeing Atomos shift towards the Ninja Phone. I'm thinking they have zero interest in developing or sourcing a H.265 or AV1 capable chip.
Blackmagic has stated that they use reprogrammable FPGA chips in their products but I don't recall if Atomos has ever publicly stated if an ASIC or FPGA is inside the Ninja V. Considering how hot this product runs, H.265 may be done in software instead of a hardware accelerated level.
@@ChristopherDobey FPGA's are not used in final products. They are used to develop new chips and their design is turned into either ASIC, Instruction set or hybrid chips. It's likely that they made a hybrid implementation of H.256 as my My ninja came out 3 years before H.256. For my job I did something similar with ASIC.
Interesting. I just looked up the available bitrates for H.265 via the Ninja V and this is what it says. Maybe it's been updated?
HQ - all ‘i’ Frame up to 350mbps
MQ - up to 150Mbps
LQ - as low as 30mbps
Perhaps it’s a glitch in the latest firmware build. Since firmware updates are fast releases with the Ninja V, I’ll check back.
@@ChristopherDobey did you get to test again?
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@@skymakai thanks for responding. I was just noticing that the MQ setting showed less recording time then the HQ setting. That’s what led me to your video and to the comments. I think you’re onto something with the actual selection labels being incorrect.
@@Jeremybearmy Correction... under further testing, even the XQ option has a strip of odd blocking at the bottom of the frame.
I use the Ninja to record 4K 10 bit NLog/HLG files in H.265 HQ from my Z6II and it looks great. To save a bit of editing, I turn on the HDR option and let it record on the Ninja. I use the screen to aid in getting the exposure correct via the false color setting and I like the look from the finished recording. I’m not understanding why you would use the Ninja to record 1080p, the camera can record at that level with no issues. The point is to capture 10 bit NLog/HLG data, which the camera cannot produce internally, for editing later.
because I prefer the look of 1080p59.94 to 2160p29.97 since 2160p59.94 is not an option for the Z6 mk I internally or externally.
@@ChristopherDobey Ok.
you do know you can just type 30 and 60 fps and everyone knows what you mean. I find the people that have to type the full 29.97 are the types of people who more like that something is technically accurate than actually filming something that is fun and engaging. I filmed the whole thing in "true 24fps" yer cool I am watching the whole thing on my 4 year old phone with a cracked screen while taking a dump. @@ChristopherDobey
I was interested because of Blackmagic Cameras only shoot raw or ProRes so wanted smaller files doesn’t seem like it
This is true, and for example the new Blackmagic PYXIS 6K only supports BRAW w/ 1080p 4:2:0 H.264 proxy. www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpyxis/techspecs/W-BOX-01
Yeah H.265 is suppose to be just as good as H.264 only faster on your computer for editing but i never use it, i use Prores 422 HQ and that works great also use Prores RAW HQ
Especially now with the Apple M2 and M3 chips, H.264 and H.265 are a piece of cake to edit due to hardware acceleration! Though the high PSNR go ProRes 422 HQ is the way to go if available.