@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 theoretical yes, practical depends what you did and how strong are the allegations. if you did some serious crime then no one will risk their political career and will revoke your immunity at once. plus they will give speech that no one is above the law.
The neat part of this scene is it's mostly accurate. While Cromwell wasn't one of the men on the warrant for arrest, King Charles really did walk in and sit in the Speaker's chair. The King's remark, "I see that the birds have flown" and Speaker Lenthall's response are also near exact.
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo There's a certain irony in the Revolutionary War that we had already done the same thing you guys were doing but a century earlier. Unfortunately, the rights gained after the Civil War didn't extend to colonies, which were more or less under direct crown control aside from the money supply (which parliament was responsible for)
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo I think history would be drastically different. After all, many Americans didn't want to rebel and only did so because they felt they had no other option -- all the founding fathers were broadly speaking really quite reasonable in their demands and as people too, but the British just weren't there. It's actually a great pity because for the most part independence from the British Empire was typically a peaceful process for most countries, so it's a shame it ever came to war with America
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo This is an interesting point because after the American Revolution, when nationalist sentiment was brewing in Canada (especially after 1812), the British allowed the creation of Dominion status - basically the creation of a local federal parliament with full jurisdiction over all domestic matters, including taxation, while still technically part of the British Empire; the Dominion of Canada. Other Dominions followed in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. I can't help but think if late 18th century British politicians had the foresight to grant Dominion status to the Americans in response to their grievances, the Revolutionary War might have been avoided entirely. But the Revolution's outcome certainly influenced the future of other colonial nations.
@@Gingo00-b7z the soilders had little to do with it. At this stage, most people (even Charles' opponants) were staunchly reverent in the presence the monarch.
Remember even after the civil war the common and opposing view besides very radical thinkers was that the monarch even if he was a terrible man and a tyrant that can be usurped or whatever the nuance maybe on his limits was still ordained by God.
it was the same at work once. I was a duty manager and planned a trip to go in on the night shift. All 6 workers were raging about it "how dare this upity 20yr old think he can come in here and tell ME what to do rah rah rah" and such. Then i walked in and they were all "Oh hello boss. Let us show you how perfect everything is. Any extra tasks we can do?" You know, proper brown nosing and bending over backwards for extra points. same as this scene, they dont want the big boss to enter, but as soon as he does, they all brown nose up.
That's why every time Parliament opened, the MPs shut the door and instead of the soldiers, a royal messager known as the Black Rod came to the door and knocked it three times with his/her stick and door opened to allow the black rod to deliver her Majesty's invitation to come to the House of Lords to hear her speech. The shutting of door became a tradition of the opening of Parliament.
@@attiepollard7847 it's a joke from the Star Wars Prelude "from my point of you, the Jedi are evil" which Anakin tells to Kenobi, who was played by Charles's actor in the classic Star Wars.
The outcome of the civil war is still carried out Today.When a massage from the Queen is conveyed to Parliament every year a royal ambassador (Black Rod) knocks on the door three times and asks permission to enter.
@@Jack-fs2im wow I didn't knew English queens give massages to members of parliament, and here I thought of that old hag as a prune but by God giving massages to more than 200 people is phenomenal.
@@anonymousyo1202 After the civil war power between Monarchy and Parliamen was shared.Parkiament was given overall control but by permission of the Monarchy.Parliament cannot sit without the Queens permission.However its just formality.Every year The Queen opens Parliament.No election can be called without Queens permission
What I love about this scene is, is the fact that Cromwell was arrogant that he thought King Charles I was not able to do anything, but when Charles I literally dissolved government, he threw a curve ball at him by saying "you realise that there will be a civil war!"
I don't think it was so much arrogance as it was Cromwell not wanting to back down and run away. He wanted to stand his ground and be defiant in the face of certain death.
It wasn't a "curve ball", Charles I dismissed Parliament on many occasions, and was only forced to recall it as he had run out of money losing to the Scots.
Technically he is, but he already assimilated into the English court in his younger years and Charles I fought against the Scots over religious reasons in 1639-40
**neglects to then proceed with the arrest as Parliament no longer exists and therefore the privilege has ceased to be as well** Forgetting you have the next card
He had no power to dissolve parliament. They had passed a law to call parliaments for at least six weeks every three years and that the particular parliament Cromwell was a member of could not be dissolved without its consent.
I sometimes wonder if the scene in Brave where the guys are all brawling and the queen walks through and they’re all breaking of to get out of her way and bow and take their hats off was inspired by this scene lol
@ZJ Johnson Nah, it was by customs to honour and submit to the King, until Cromwell the bourgeoisies' pawn abolished English monarchy for some weird modernist-revolutionary dictatorship, after he realised Parliament was retarded
I was about to comment on this. Yes the MPs object to the King entering their House, and yet is still treated with the respect due him. One might say they still believed in social decorum.
@@powderedwiglouis1238 Tell that to the High Court of Justice, which beheaded Charles I for the act of Treason against England (that is, against himself) by acting tyranically against the will of his people.
Actually, he didn't. At the time, this Charles was known as simply King Charles. Historically, in the British realm there wasn't a Charles I until there was a Charles II.
The Speaker is an ancestor of mine. He was born in Henley-on-Thames, in what is known as Speakers House. We've done extensive research into our family tree between my late Great Grandfather, Grandfather, myself, and a close friend who is a genealogist. We've managed to trace back around some 600/700 years. What's absolutely hilarious is that my Grandfather is an absolute dead ringer of Speaker Lenthall - which always adds to the fun! I hope that anyone perusing the comment section enjoys what I've written!
You, my friend are very fortunate. To know that your ancestor was present at some momentus points of our history is earth shattering! I, for one certainly enjoyed your commentary. Thank you.
Colin Lenthall, another descendant of Speaker Lenthall, was in my Masonic lodge in the early 90s. He was a delightful chap and we shared many a drink together. He's sadly passed away now, but I was pleased to call him a friend.
Apologies for the belated response all - I didn't realise that I still had UA-cam notifications switched off. Thank you for all your kind words & comments. Please do let me know if you have any further questions. Always happy to have a chat about it and other parts of this period of history.
Obi Wan Kenobi and Albus Dumbledore in their only shared scene together. In all seriousness, Richard Harris and Alec Guinness were two of the finest actors ever. They were overlooked due to their roles in newer films but their classics will always stand out as their best performances.
@Bilal Khalid You mean after he was sold by his own countrymen to the brits? And yes, I see you there, Lady Henriette ended up in France, where there's no country for old men playing at ruling the world, yes. (I'm hinting at the talan, the Giulio Mazarini here, obviously)
@Bilal Khalid You calm down. You know that OP's joke didn't make sense; your own earlier reply demonstrates that. All OP did was recognize Alec Guinness and then toss out another Alec Guinness quote. That's just pop-culture key-jangling for fake internet points. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't ironic either. It was just stupid, and we shouldn't reward it.
I absolutely adore British historical films from the 70s and 80s. There's just this vibe to them, I can't explain it. Bounty, Cromwell, Christmas Carol. Love it!
That's what being British and English is all about....fair play....even throughout the troubles Irish citizens were free to pass between the British Isles....you know?....
Despite the writers emphasizing certain incorrect facts (such as Cromwell wasn’t on the arrest warrant and the king being outnumbered at the battle of Nasby) No one but no one could ever play a more convincing Charles 1 than Alec Guinness.
I accuse thee of the emphasis of incorrect facts, a number of which are expressed in negative form herein to cause confusion as to which part of the fact is incorrect and which part is emphasis of said fact. How do you plead?
“Luke, did I ever tell you about Oliver Cromwell? He was great cavalry leader but did a lot of crimes against humanity. He also had my head chopped off after trying me in a kangaroo court for treason and tyranny. Ironically he later made himself king of Great Britain in all but name and was actually more of an autocrat and despot than I was. And he was a good friend.”
@@malahammer. The Irish have every right to hate him but I can assure you there are many in England who despise him as well. Without a doubt one of, if not the worst person this island has ever coughed up.
Charles did not try to dissolve Parliament, he had already conceded that power. However his attempt to arrest the five members was the biggest mistake he made in 1640-42, especially as moderates, scared of radical demands, were beginning to turn back to Charles.
@@patrickhows1482 I disagree, since what turned most moderates against Parliament was when they took control of the militias away from the King for themselves--that happened right before this event though months before Charles raised his standard at Nottingham...those intervening months, with both sides arming and mustering men, were what solidified support for Charles, as his presence away from Parliament and the tacit departure of his supporters and Royalist moderates from both Houses basically exposed Pym's faction as extreme radicals If Charles did not attempt to arrest these guys and subsequently stay in Whitehall he would essentially be giving the increasingly antagonistic Parliament legitimacy-- just as to allow Pym and Hampden unchecked would essentially to aid and abet them; his real mistake was in waiting overnight and most of January 4 to make the arrest, as they had just minutes to spare to make their escape as it happened
@@warlordofbritannia The debate over the Grand Remonstrance in November 1641 showed that the moderate reformers felt that they had achieved their goals and that Charles as king should be allowed to rule unfettered, now that legislation had been passed to stop the king misusing the royal prerogative. The Grand Remonstrance only passed by 11 votes. The decision to publish it further dismayed moderates, who were getting increasingly worried about Pym's use of the London crowds to intimidate opponents. The exclusion of the bishops from the House of Lords further alienated moderates, as this was seen to be attacking the 'ancient' constitution itself. Probably a majority of MPs wanted to return the Church of England to way it was under Elizabeth and most of the reign of James I, they were not presbyterians. The control of the military was the other main issue from Autumn because of the Irish rebellion. Charles was also unlucky in that the Countess of Carlisle was a mole who leaked information to Pym. Even if Charles had arrested the five members there would have been rioting, if not an actual insurrection, so that if Charles felt that his family were in danger he would have still have had to flee the capital. Charles I should have played the long game like Richard II did in 1388, thus enabling him to resume his power after the Lord Appellants' showed they could govern England no better. Many of those who rallied to Charles in 1642 did so reluctantly, out of loyalty to the Crown rather than Charles himself.
This is why, to this very day, the monarch is not allowed to enter the House of Commons. When they open Parliament they send a representative called Black Rod from the Lords down the corridor to the Commons chamber and the door is symbollically slammed in his face.
Why is Charles always cast as The Palatine here? I Know he;s a King and Kings are Evil ands We, the people should Rule and We are So glad We are in a Democracy and all that but, Charles was not Evil, and Cromwell overthrew that Democracy in Favour of a Military Dictatorship. And considering Charles still Obeyed The legal Limits of the Monarchy and did not Raise New taxes or set New Laws even when Parliament was dissolved, but Cromwell set new taxes and new laws without the Consent of Parliament, Was that Really Better?
I like that when the king enters the chamber, the parliamentarians calm down & bow their heads in respect to the crown. Even though their privilege is breached, they still treat the situation like gentlemen.
That is a brave thing for the Speaker to say!!! If anyone who didn’t know what it meant, he was telling the king that he refuse to tell him anything. In those days a very brave thing to do!!!
@@davehoward22 Charles I was never an absolute monarch, an asbolute monarch doesn't have to tangle with a parliament or any kind at all in the first place.
It’s one of the reasons why The Speaker was the most feared position of Parliament. If he told the King what he didn’t like the Speaker could be executed. Today this is no longer the case however the newly elected Speakers are playfully dragged to the seat symbolic of its once dangerous position.
@@andrewwalton1520 And even if they disliked the king as a person, they still respected kingship itself. Like we respect presidency, even if we dislike some individual presidents.
@@WilfredIvanhoe - have you not seen a State of The Union in the last 20 years? most Opposing Party member don't stand up or even clap when the President is introduced. but if these Parliament blokes didn't bow their head to the King, they could lose it.
@@greg_4201 He refused to cooperate with parliament in any kind during his reign, he made it a point to ignore the laws they passed, but since only parliament had the power over the treasury he had no money. So he stole money that was intended for the navy. And he forced wealthy citizens to pay him very large amounts of money, else he would have them arrested, he abused his power by preemptively issuing arrest warrants and THEN asking the individuals to pay him, else they'd be jailed. He started an unnecessary war with Spain. He ignored parliament for like 20 years, only consulting it like twice (when he needed money, because he started an unnecessary war with Spain) and then completely trampling over the 4 rules parliament asked of him (e.g. stopping to issue fraudulent arrest warrants without reason) just a few months later. He also started a civil war and after he lost asked a foreign (Scottish) army to invade. He considered every act of parliament an infringement of his divine right. So yeeeeeaaaaaah, those are some reasons. There are more.
@@LaughingOwlKiller I am referring to the acting: an abundance of hot potatoes, though the affectations might well be lost on someone infatuated with anachronism.
Shockingly forgotten, maybe because it was swallowed up by the events of the 18th Century; but I consider the American Revolutionaties the spiritual successors of the English Parliamentarians of the 17th.
I vividly remember this movie being shown in class during Junior High School in the mid 1970s. One scene in particular remained in my memory when Oliver Cromwell and family enters a church and sees the Priest wearing vestments and he erupts in rage and proceeds to overturning the altar.
Alec Guinness acts as if he were a real king. His manners and behavior would make anyone instantly respect his royal figure, something that most royals today could not emulate. So much dignity! What an extraordinary actor.
There wouldn't have been a civil war in England if Charles I had been like Alec Guinness as he would've come up with a compromise agreement with Parliament.
This is deliberately inaccurate. Cromwell was not one of the five men on the arrest warrant. Hampden, Haselrig, Holles, Pym and Strode were the five in question.
I assumed Brit's usually made their historic films, fairly accurately (unlike American films). I see I maybe mistaken. This scene is wrong. The first part is fairly accurate. But the King was never looking for Cromwell, never tried to arrest Cromwell and did not dissolve Parliament at this juncture. All 5 men that he wanted were not there. So, he left.
Cromwell as portrayed by the late great Richard Harris, was no hero of the people no hero for parliament or freedom of speech, he was in fact a homicidal and religious maniac, after he executed the King he grabbed the wealth and the land of the King and all those who supported him. cromwell went onto commit genocide in Ireland and in parts of Scotland, he also put to the flame Catholics and Protestants alike in England. When he died in 1658 and his useless son richard took over Parliament got rid of him within 10 days and opted for Charles the Second to return,
Oliver Cromwell: I've been waiting for you, Charles the First Kenobi. We meet again at last. Charles I: Are you threatening me, Master Cromwell? I AM the Parliament!
The sad thing here was that both men believed they were genuinely doing what was best for the nation. Charles I was not power hungry for the sake of power; he thought that it was his duty, given by God Himself, to oversee the nation to the best of his ability. Cromwell, on the other hand, saw a man far too Catholic to be what he considered Christian, and thought it was his God given duty to break away from the influence of the Church. I think it could definitely be argued that Cromwell was far more tyrannical and ruthless than Charles.
@@str.77 Cromwell did have some good ideas. For example, he realized that the parliament (while under the commonwealth) wasn't getting any reforms done that the people wanted. They simply became greedy, and stagnant. However, no amount of disbanding parliament ever seemed to do anything.
@@maxtyler8993 Seems to be a very common theme in history, I been listening to a podcast about the French Revolution and the same thing happens with their parliament and their king. Despite what we hear about the French king he did want to change things but had too much push back that he was basically powerless to actually make any real reform.
@@maxtyler8993 How is that a good idea? "Parliament doesn't do what I want so I dissolve it." It is not that different from what the King did - only Charles did not go about changing the lives of his subjects. MPs didn't become greedy, they always were - and that includes Cromwell.
Today I’d remove the parliament and keep the king. One is all about themselves one is all about the welfare and happiness of all us on these islands. There is not an honest man in parliament. IMO
This is excellent. The way the king speaks to the parliamemt. The way he use english language to the parliament crowd. I'm not english native, but I feel like the words that everyone use in their dialogues are balsament to my ears. Love english language. Love Great Britain.
@@mr.mcintosh1923 It may be the german translation (Never seen the full movie in englisch) or me not being a big fan of either actor. But that is how they came over.
@@mr.mcintosh1923 they are both pushing right into the limits of acceptable, Charles absolutely should not be dissolving parliament just to get at someone in the house he wants arrested, marching on parliament with armed guards and battering down the doors is not a reasonable act,,, Cromwell on the otherhand declaring, touch me and your a traitor who's with me? is also escalating the situation,,,, and in the wider context of history,,, yeah both of them were aholes who plunged the country into chaos and Mr 'kings are evil' cromwell had himself declared king in all but name acted like the king he killed and named his son heir to his power,
@@mr.mcintosh1923 King wanted to be a tyrant and do as he pleased without Parliament. Cromwell later turned out to be quite the tyrant himself and also just ask the Irish what they think of Cromwell.
Yes, at State Opening of Parliament, they slam the door on Black Rod to show the independence of the Commons - ua-cam.com/video/QZlbVvTC6Jw/v-deo.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Members#Commemoration
Yes it’s true, ‘Black rod’ is the monarchs messenger. Black rod calls the commons to hear the monarchs speech at the opening of parliament and as he arrives at the door to the House of Commons it’s symbolically slammed shut in his face. He then has to knock 3 times on the door, using the rod and it is opened from inside. The monarch cannot enter the House of Commons, only the upper chamber (House of Lords).
The shutting of the door as the king approached is reenacted at every state opening when Black Rod goes to summon the Commons for the reading of the Queen's Speech the door is shut and Black Rod knocks three times before being admitted,
officially. George VI was given a tour of the Commons after the chamber had been rebuilt following its being bombed during World War II. He was accompanied on the tour by both Churchill and Attlee.
Albus won, apparently, taking over Hogwarts and all. Poor Obi-Wan was sent into the desert. First in the middle-east (where he faked to be an arab king before Lawrence) and then even further away at Tatooine. 😢
"When there were knights, and they got into fights, using sabers of light, it's not the future... Eeeeven though it looks like it's the future... it's not really on Earth, It's a galaxy, far far away, alien DNA, walking 'round everyday, and no one notices...
Obi-Wan Kanobe trying to arrest Albus Dumbledore 😂 -Come here little friend! Don’t be afraid! -However, help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who…ask for it…
"-However, help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who…ask for it" Isn't that the problem though? Maybe they shouldn't have helped Voldemort no matter how he wadked for help... 😛
King Charles made a mistake by not arresting Oliver Cromwell right there and then. If he had made an example of Cromwell, he would not have been executed later. Leaving Cromwell alive and well in parliment was a huge mistake by Charles I.
The Prime Minister of New Zealand is likely to find that out at the next election. Her loyal subjects look set to punish her for being one of the "all time great" leaders in a crisis.
Under Cromwell's commonwealth the ordinary citizen was freed from serfdom and his organisation of the British army stands to this day. Of course the Royalty had to demonise him
@@ramirezrm Well Oliver Cromwell imposed a Cotholic holocaust in Ireland. Although he is revered as the father of democracy he was every bit as bad as Hitler to those that didn't fit his narrow beliefs. FYI I'm neither catholic nor religious.
A tough time for England, except for the guy who sold black hats and white collars. He was doing just fine.
Get your history right!
...It was two guys, one sold black hats, the other white collars and black hats.
@@heronoverdose It was tough for the guy that sold white hats and black collars.
@@donwayne1357I know that. For my ancestors were those people. We couldn’t make any money. We had to sell our family house. Terrible time
@@kahuna3901 I know the feeling. We had to sell ours to Aquaman.
Cried with laughter at this
I'm just glad cameras were present to capture the moment...
Houses of Parliament. Security cams everywhere.
And an orchestra too! I can’t see what the parliamentarians are complaining about… they have it all.
@@je6874 You know Chuck wanted to silence the drums, but was prolly already feeling like things weren't going his way
It was on Utube that night.
Its rather an obscura part of history....
Cromwell: “Any action against a member of this house is treason.”
Charles: *”Its treason then.”*
What kind of dumb argument is "we're in parliament so you can't arrest us"? apparently Cromwell would be a drug dealer in the commons nowadays
just think. the world is still ruled over by people like this, except they do it in secret.
@@konradsartorius7913 so MPs can commit crimes and never be held accountable so long as they're in the commons?
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 theoretical yes, practical depends what you did and how strong are the allegations. if you did some serious crime then no one will risk their political career and will revoke your immunity at once. plus they will give speech that no one is above the law.
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 no. foolish, do no know the difference between civil and criminal law?
The neat part of this scene is it's mostly accurate. While Cromwell wasn't one of the men on the warrant for arrest, King Charles really did walk in and sit in the Speaker's chair. The King's remark, "I see that the birds have flown" and Speaker Lenthall's response are also near exact.
This was very ballsy of Charles I. As an American, I knew of the English Civil War but never realized the King took it that far.
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo There's a certain irony in the Revolutionary War that we had already done the same thing you guys were doing but a century earlier. Unfortunately, the rights gained after the Civil War didn't extend to colonies, which were more or less under direct crown control aside from the money supply (which parliament was responsible for)
@@jackthemac132, perhaps history would be different if the North American colonies were all allowed representation in parliament.
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo I think history would be drastically different. After all, many Americans didn't want to rebel and only did so because they felt they had no other option -- all the founding fathers were broadly speaking really quite reasonable in their demands and as people too, but the British just weren't there. It's actually a great pity because for the most part independence from the British Empire was typically a peaceful process for most countries, so it's a shame it ever came to war with America
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo This is an interesting point because after the American Revolution, when nationalist sentiment was brewing in Canada (especially after 1812), the British allowed the creation of Dominion status - basically the creation of a local federal parliament with full jurisdiction over all domestic matters, including taxation, while still technically part of the British Empire; the Dominion of Canada. Other Dominions followed in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. I can't help but think if late 18th century British politicians had the foresight to grant Dominion status to the Americans in response to their grievances, the Revolutionary War might have been avoided entirely. But the Revolution's outcome certainly influenced the future of other colonial nations.
Everyone: We don’t want the king in here!
King arrives.
Everyone: Oh, good day, your majesty.
A King escorted with hundred of men at arms*
That‘s a very realistic reaction actually
@@Gingo00-b7z the soilders had little to do with it. At this stage, most people (even Charles' opponants) were staunchly reverent in the presence the monarch.
Remember even after the civil war the common and opposing view besides very radical thinkers was that the monarch even if he was a terrible man and a tyrant that can be usurped or whatever the nuance maybe on his limits was still ordained by God.
it was the same at work once. I was a duty manager and planned a trip to go in on the night shift. All 6 workers were raging about it "how dare this upity 20yr old think he can come in here and tell ME what to do rah rah rah" and such. Then i walked in and they were all "Oh hello boss. Let us show you how perfect everything is. Any extra tasks we can do?" You know, proper brown nosing and bending over backwards for extra points.
same as this scene, they dont want the big boss to enter, but as soon as he does, they all brown nose up.
Cromwell: Any action against a member of this house is treason
King Charles:What house?
Charles I.: "I am the Parliament!"
@@conorstapleton3183 Cromwell: Not...yet!
Run's House?
King Charles: “It’s treason then.”
"So its treason then?"
THE most poorly defended door in the history of door defense.
The soldiers were armed, they were going to get in one way or another.
That's why every time Parliament opened, the MPs shut the door and instead of the soldiers, a royal messager known as the Black Rod came to the door and knocked it three times with his/her stick and door opened to allow the black rod to deliver her Majesty's invitation to come to the House of Lords to hear her speech.
The shutting of door became a tradition of the opening of Parliament.
where's Hodor when you really need him?
What about the blast doors that qui gon jinn cut through
@@davehoward22 does it count as "defended" if the defenders open the door and wave them in?
“Mr.Speaker, I must make bold with your chair”. Great line. Love the way he says bold.
“King Charles, you *are* a bold one!”
"I must make bold with your..." is a great template for just going ahead and taking what you want
I'm using this phrase next time I go to a restaurant with no reservations.
He should have told him this isn't the throne - f**k Off - but few people have courage.
Fun fact, he is actually reported to have exatcly said that
"I may be infringing on Parliament, but from a certain point of view, you were infringing on my rights as king."
"A certain point of view?!"
If you cannot get Parliament to agree with your agenda to pass then that is the King's problem that he must fix on his own
@@PraxusUK I know what you did there
@@attiepollard7847 the force is not strong with you
@@attiepollard7847 it's a joke from the Star Wars Prelude "from my point of you, the Jedi are evil" which Anakin tells to Kenobi, who was played by Charles's actor in the classic Star Wars.
"Stand aside, gentlemen, if you please."
The English are even polite when breaking down the door into parliament.
The outcome of the civil war is still carried out Today.When a massage from the Queen is conveyed to Parliament every year a royal ambassador (Black Rod) knocks on the door three times and asks permission to enter.
@@Jack-fs2im wow I didn't knew English queens give massages to members of parliament, and here I thought of that old hag as a prune but by God giving massages to more than 200 people is phenomenal.
@@anonymousyo1202 After the civil war power between Monarchy and Parliamen was shared.Parkiament was given overall control but by permission of the Monarchy.Parliament cannot sit without the Queens permission.However its just formality.Every year The Queen opens Parliament.No election can be called without Queens permission
You haven't met some of our Taxi drivers.
@@davehoward22 Only by permission Black Rod must knock and request entry
“The Parliamentarians are easily startled but they will be back soon..and in greater numbers.”
I Understood That Reference 😎
😂😂😂.
@@joshuacowling2237 With over 250 replies - looks like a lot of people did.
@@alanmusicman3385 It was a reference itself, from Captain America in the Avengers
He should have killed them all right then and there.
What I love about this scene is, is the fact that Cromwell was arrogant that he thought King Charles I was not able to do anything, but when Charles I literally dissolved government, he threw a curve ball at him by saying "you realise that there will be a civil war!"
I don't think it was so much arrogance as it was Cromwell not wanting to back down and run away. He wanted to stand his ground and be defiant in the face of certain death.
It wasn't a "curve ball", Charles I dismissed Parliament on many occasions, and was only forced to recall it as he had run out of money losing to the Scots.
WAIT...ISN'T CHARLES A SCOT? @@ivanharlokin
@@wewenang5167 Yes but those particular groups of scots were Jewish zealots
Technically he is, but he already assimilated into the English court in his younger years and Charles I fought against the Scots over religious reasons in 1639-40
"Arrest him"
"You can't arrest a member of the House" Puts uno reverse card on the table
"Ok then, the parliament is dissolved" Stacks reverse
HAHAHAHAA, NICE!!!
**neglects to then proceed with the arrest as Parliament no longer exists and therefore the privilege has ceased to be as well** Forgetting you have the next card
parliament member: _slams down draw +4 on table_
the king: *wait, that's illegal!*
@@the_rover1 The house of Parliament just activated Charles' trap card. Who's the king of games now, huh?
He had no power to dissolve parliament. They had passed a law to call parliaments for at least six weeks every three years and that the particular parliament Cromwell was a member of could not be dissolved without its consent.
I like how they immediately goes from a riot to quiet and bowing to the king. Just like when the teacher walks in.
I sometimes wonder if the scene in Brave where the guys are all brawling and the queen walks through and they’re all breaking of to get out of her way and bow and take their hats off was inspired by this scene lol
@ZJ Johnson Nah, it was by customs to honour and submit to the King, until Cromwell the bourgeoisies' pawn abolished English monarchy for some weird modernist-revolutionary dictatorship, after he realised Parliament was retarded
Crazy how the whole "Absolute power to murder you backed up by 100 trained killers with weapons" compels a man.
I was about to comment on this. Yes the MPs object to the King entering their House, and yet is still treated with the respect due him. One might say they still believed in social decorum.
You may not respect the man but you respect the office.
Cromwell: "Anyone who arrests a member of this house is guilty of treason against the nation."
Charles I: *"I am the nation."*
Cromwell: "Not yet"
@@quakethedoombringer Charles I: It's treason then.
@@danieltobin4498 Charles takes out his sword.
seeing as the definition of treason was committing a crime against the king as the king said himself he can't really commit treason against himself
@@powderedwiglouis1238 Tell that to the High Court of Justice, which beheaded Charles I for the act of Treason against England (that is, against himself) by acting tyranically against the will of his people.
“These aren’t the politicians your looking for move along”😂😂
HA
Move along, move along
😅excellent comment man !
“It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” - Dumbledore
This isn’t the pronoun you’re looking for.
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Irish voices suddenly cried out in terror"
This is too good
Don't forget the Picts, which the Irish tribe called the Scots genocided too
funny then that only a dozen or so of them ended up getting unlawfully killed...
@@TheLewisLegend Ireland was called Scotland/Scotia long time before it was called Ireland like 500AD by the Romans
Wrong. The romans called ireland hibernia
"Well of course I know, Charles the 1st, he's me"
Charles the 1st IS the king, from a certain point of view.
Actually, he didn't. At the time, this Charles was known as simply King Charles. Historically, in the British realm there wasn't a Charles I until there was a Charles II.
Christ, calm down people, it was a joke referencing Alec Guinness in Starwars as Obi-Wan.
@@LordChristoff
I’m calm. I too was referencing Alec Guiness from Star Wars.
@@cjheaford Yeah, I think he's talking to Alabama Al.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
-Charles I. when he dissolved Parliament
"I will bring peace, freedom, justice and security to my new Commonwealth."
"Your new Commonwealth?!"
@@smartalec2001 I think Charles I. might be a Sith Lord.
also Alec Guiness when referring to Mos Eisley in Star Wars
Thank Christ he didn't see a modern Parliament.
Some things never change.
The Speaker is an ancestor of mine. He was born in Henley-on-Thames, in what is known as Speakers House. We've done extensive research into our family tree between my late Great Grandfather, Grandfather, myself, and a close friend who is a genealogist. We've managed to trace back around some 600/700 years. What's absolutely hilarious is that my Grandfather is an absolute dead ringer of Speaker Lenthall - which always adds to the fun! I hope that anyone perusing the comment section enjoys what I've written!
i certainly did! its always interesting how similar people can look across generations. thanks for taking the time to write
You, my friend are very fortunate. To know that your ancestor was present at some momentus points of our history is earth shattering! I, for one certainly enjoyed your commentary. Thank you.
Colin Lenthall, another descendant of Speaker Lenthall, was in my Masonic lodge in the early 90s. He was a delightful chap and we shared many a drink together. He's sadly passed away now, but I was pleased to call him a friend.
A remarkably brave man to refuse a Stuart King.
Apologies for the belated response all - I didn't realise that I still had UA-cam notifications switched off. Thank you for all your kind words & comments. Please do let me know if you have any further questions. Always happy to have a chat about it and other parts of this period of history.
Obi Wan Kenobi and Albus Dumbledore in their only shared scene together.
In all seriousness, Richard Harris and Alec Guinness were two of the finest actors ever. They were overlooked due to their roles in newer films but their classics will always stand out as their best performances.
Don't forget Michael Jayston, who played "The Valeyard" in "The Trial of a Time Lord" episodes of "Doctor Who. (1986).
What is this movie??
@@rhyleigh_calix "Cromwell" Made in 1970.
Mario Antonio : By the time Richard Harris first appeared in the first HP movie in 2001 Alec Guiness had already passed on the year before in 2000.
@@CS-zn6pp Seven yrs before Star Wars and 31 yrs before Harry Potter.
I want an audio book that is just Alec Guinness saying the word "authority" over and over for two hours
I took over two hours to pronounce the word "authority" after several pints of Guinness, will that do?
Don't threaten me with a good time!
It was deliberate, Charles I had a stammer.
@@ShahidKhan-ke8fe he was Scottish
orfthlority orfthlority orfthlority orhthlority ....oh well whatever turns you on !!!!
Cromwell: "This is Treason!"
Charles I: "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
I suppose you think you’re being terribly original with that comment don’t you?
@@Sean-ce1hu 😉😁
Except here Alec Guinness wasn't playing a hero.
@Bilal Khalid You mean after he was sold by his own countrymen to the brits?
And yes, I see you there, Lady Henriette ended up in France, where there's no country for old men playing at ruling the world, yes. (I'm hinting at the talan, the Giulio Mazarini here, obviously)
@Bilal Khalid You calm down. You know that OP's joke didn't make sense; your own earlier reply demonstrates that. All OP did was recognize Alec Guinness and then toss out another Alec Guinness quote. That's just pop-culture key-jangling for fake internet points. It wasn't funny, and it wasn't ironic either. It was just stupid, and we shouldn't reward it.
I absolutely adore British historical films from the 70s and 80s.
There's just this vibe to them, I can't explain it.
Bounty, Cromwell, Christmas Carol.
Love it!
They respect the source material and were made by people who actually liked the country.
@@bluedeskfan2754 It's not just that. It's the general vibe. The old cameras, the old mics. The way the filmed this old stuff.
It's just so good.
@@buihelgason Yeah the only thing I can't stand about old movies is the music.
bounty is so good
The vibe is guessing how drunk richard harris was in each scene from a scale of one to 1,000
" Mr Speaker, I must make BOLD with your chair". I love the language.
Obiwan Kenobi! You are a BOLD one
@@asdf2593 Hello and good evening.
*Undoes his trousers*
It's a wonderful statement. It means nothing, but means everything.
*proceeds to sit down like someone important
The irony of an Irishman playing Oliver Cromwell.
true, though there's only so many roles where you get to execute the British monarch.
The spinning from his grave could be used to power Ireland for at least 500 years
@@hansbass8119 only 500? Maybe 800 lol
That's what being British and English is all about....fair play....even throughout the troubles Irish citizens were free to pass between the British Isles....you know?....
why ironic?
The members of parliament are dissolved, but they’ll be back, and in greater numbers
Nice - I see what you did there.
These aren't the Whigs you're looking for
@@bradmoore3206 Oh, that's both very good and very ba-a-d! Thanks.
And they walk single file to hide their numbers...
And got his head
- "Gentlemen! His Majesty is coming; He is coming with a hundred Men at Arms!"
- "Everyone, close the Door!"
"Obi Wan Kenobi has dissolved the Galactic Senate!"
"I AM the Senate!"
Lol the star wars au
The force is STRONG in this one...
Charles should have said ' Hello There' when he entered the commons.
Despite the writers emphasizing certain incorrect facts (such as Cromwell wasn’t on the arrest warrant and the king being outnumbered at the battle of Nasby) No one but no one could ever play a more convincing Charles 1 than Alec Guinness.
Pm T is certainly trying
I accuse thee of the emphasis of incorrect facts, a number of which are expressed in negative form herein to cause confusion as to which part of the fact is incorrect and which part is emphasis of said fact. How do you plead?
@@Sokrabiades Any action against any member of this commenting group is treason and and a public enemy and I further move....etc....etc....
@@Sokrabiades "Show me under what LAWFUL authority do you stand to accuse me from?"
@@snazzle9764
By the sovereign power of the UA-cam commenters, who you sir committed treason against!
Charles: You're a traitor
Cromwell: No U
Charles: *surprised pikachu*
Normie
@@Cjnw Well of course. Most people are normal.
Charles the I to Cromwell: No you
Cromwell was everything the King accused him of and worse.
“Luke, did I ever tell you about Oliver Cromwell? He was great cavalry leader but did a lot of crimes against humanity. He also had my head chopped off after trying me in a kangaroo court for treason and tyranny. Ironically he later made himself king of Great Britain in all but name and was actually more of an autocrat and despot than I was.
And he was a good friend.”
Ask anyone in Ireland about that most evil of men.
Luke, did I ever tell you about Ashoka Tano?
@@malahammer. The Irish have every right to hate him but I can assure you there are many in England who despise him as well. Without a doubt one of, if not the worst person this island has ever coughed up.
@@choughed3072 they despise him so much that after he die they brought in a new king instead of forming a democracy
Alec Guinness and Richard Harris in one scene, how could it not be cinematic magic?
Add O'Toole, or Reed ... or Burton.
Because you need more than good actors to make a good film.
Richard Harris should've sung MacArthur Park. It would've blown Charles and Parliament away. It does me.
@@crixxxxxxxxx yeah the story and direction was very weak of this film. Could've done better
If Reed were there, the alcohol would have killed the king.
The fact we still reenact this whenever they are summoned
Except the battering ram has now been replaced by a small rod.
By letting fireworks off 5 nov ?
Sam Green no
@@WilliamSmith-vo8zu Dennis Skinner, no longer an MP
@@Sam_Green____4114 Fireworks on 5th November is because Guy Fawkes tried to blow up parliament to kill King James I.
Apart from the fact that Cromwell was not one of the five, this is a slightly accurate reconstruction of the events.
Charles did not try to dissolve Parliament, he had already conceded that power. However his attempt to arrest the five members was the biggest mistake he made in 1640-42, especially as moderates, scared of radical demands, were beginning to turn back to Charles.
The five were John Pym, John Hampden, Denzil Holles, Arthur Haselrig and William Strode.
It's interesting they chose to have Henry Ireton as one of the people the king wanted arrested, he was basically a nobody at this point
@@patrickhows1482
I disagree, since what turned most moderates against Parliament was when they took control of the militias away from the King for themselves--that happened right before this event though months before Charles raised his standard at Nottingham...those intervening months, with both sides arming and mustering men, were what solidified support for Charles, as his presence away from Parliament and the tacit departure of his supporters and Royalist moderates from both Houses basically exposed Pym's faction as extreme radicals
If Charles did not attempt to arrest these guys and subsequently stay in Whitehall he would essentially be giving the increasingly antagonistic Parliament legitimacy-- just as to allow Pym and Hampden unchecked would essentially to aid and abet them; his real mistake was in waiting overnight and most of January 4 to make the arrest, as they had just minutes to spare to make their escape as it happened
@@warlordofbritannia
The debate over the Grand Remonstrance in November 1641 showed that the moderate reformers felt that they had achieved their goals and that Charles as king should be allowed to rule unfettered, now that legislation had been passed to stop the king misusing the royal prerogative. The Grand Remonstrance only passed by 11 votes. The decision to publish it further dismayed moderates, who were getting increasingly worried about Pym's use of the London crowds to intimidate opponents. The exclusion of the bishops from the House of Lords further alienated moderates, as this was seen to be attacking the 'ancient' constitution itself. Probably a majority of MPs wanted to return the Church of England to way it was under Elizabeth and most of the reign of James I, they were not presbyterians. The control of the military was the other main issue from Autumn because of the Irish rebellion. Charles was also unlucky in that the Countess of Carlisle was a mole who leaked information to Pym. Even if Charles had arrested the five members there would have been rioting, if not an actual insurrection, so that if Charles felt that his family were in danger he would have still have had to flee the capital. Charles I should have played the long game like Richard II did in 1388, thus enabling him to resume his power after the Lord Appellants' showed they could govern England no better. Many of those who rallied to Charles in 1642 did so reluctantly, out of loyalty to the Crown rather than Charles himself.
This is why, to this very day, the monarch is not allowed to enter the House of Commons. When they open Parliament they send a representative called Black Rod from the Lords down the corridor to the Commons chamber and the door is symbollically slammed in his face.
*Canadian voice* As is tradition
Cromwell: "Parliament will decide your fate"
Charles I: "I am parliament!"
Cromwell: "Not yet".
It's treason then. Commander of the guard ..execute warrant 66.
@@legatvsdecimvs3406 it will be done my lord
Why is Charles always cast as The Palatine here? I Know he;s a King and Kings are Evil ands We, the people should Rule and We are So glad We are in a Democracy and all that but, Charles was not Evil, and Cromwell overthrew that Democracy in Favour of a Military Dictatorship.
And considering Charles still Obeyed The legal Limits of the Monarchy and did not Raise New taxes or set New Laws even when Parliament was dissolved, but Cromwell set new taxes and new laws without the Consent of Parliament, Was that Really Better?
@@skwills1629 it’s a just a joke. No need to take it so seriously
@@Shadowdoc26 - Many her do and I Love History. A Joke is Fine, but Charles was No Villain.
"These are not the Parliamentarians you are looking for."
I was about to post exactly the same!
Damn you beat me to it. ;-)
I like that when the king enters the chamber, the parliamentarians calm down & bow their heads in respect to the crown. Even though their privilege is breached, they still treat the situation like gentlemen.
It's a film
@@Pius-XI and Tzar is describing a likable feature of said film? What’s your problem
@@Pius-XI And it's the Briton way.
There you said it - it was the crown that they must respect
It is also a while before they decide that Charles needed killing.
Professor Dumbledore and Master Obi Wan Kenobi share one of the greatest scenes.
Charles I: "You are under arrest!"
Oliver Cromwell: "It's treason, then."
*spinning
@@animationfanatic2133 *screams*
I’m using that line “ I must make bold with your chair “ “ I must make bold with that 20 dollar bill “
Seth Everman "I must make BALD with the top comment on UA-cam!"
I must make bold with your wife lol
ORDER! ORDEEERRRRRRRR!!! 😎
it was bold, as the seat is not meant for the monarch at all
That is a brave thing for the Speaker to say!!! If anyone who didn’t know what it meant, he was telling the king that he refuse to tell him anything. In those days a very brave thing to do!!!
@@davehoward22 Charles I was never an absolute monarch, an asbolute monarch doesn't have to tangle with a parliament or any kind at all in the first place.
@@farkasvilkas Well he tried to do the Divine Right of Kings thing didn't he? It didn't work out for him. But then we did get the Restoration.
It’s one of the reasons why The Speaker was the most feared position of Parliament. If he told the King what he didn’t like the Speaker could be executed. Today this is no longer the case however the newly elected Speakers are playfully dragged to the seat symbolic of its once dangerous position.
@@DDELE7 yup, the speaker is dragged to the chair in Canada too.
Not Really. The King was not the Absolute Monarch He is pretended to be by us these days.
Cromwell was barely known in 1642, he was not on the arrest warrant
I’m not English, but I know the movie took many liberties with the truth. I guess they wanted to recreate what they saw as the sentiment of the times.
he was a junior backbencher at the time.
Love him or hate him, Charles was stylin’ and profilin’! 😎
In this scene, Charles is more machine now, than man. Twisted and evil!
Stuarts were the most stylish era.
Oliver Cromwell be like, "no more naytchin'!"
Diss him and he'll burn your house down to the tiling!
@@zekeigtos7240 nope he has drip
I love how they still show the king respect and all take their hats off to bow.
Well he is the king and at the time considered by quite a few of his subjects to be semi- divine.
@@andrewwalton1520 And even if they disliked the king as a person, they still respected kingship itself. Like we respect presidency, even if we dislike some individual presidents.
Better that than having a hand or other appendage lopped off, I suppose.
a hundred guard escort tends to gain that kind of respect.
@@WilfredIvanhoe - have you not seen a State of The Union in the last 20 years? most Opposing Party member don't stand up or even clap when the President is introduced.
but if these Parliament blokes didn't bow their head to the King, they could lose it.
It's so hard to hate Charles when played by Sir Alec!
......who told you you're supposed to hate Charles? 😳
@@greg_4201 it's so easy to hate Charles when you know what he's done.
@@Minecraftrok999 .............what did he do, my German or potentially Austrian friend?
@@greg_4201
He refused to cooperate with parliament in any kind during his reign, he made it a point to ignore the laws they passed, but since only parliament had the power over the treasury he had no money.
So he stole money that was intended for the navy. And he forced wealthy citizens to pay him very large amounts of money, else he would have them arrested, he abused his power by preemptively issuing arrest warrants and THEN asking the individuals to pay him, else they'd be jailed.
He started an unnecessary war with Spain.
He ignored parliament for like 20 years, only consulting it like twice (when he needed money, because he started an unnecessary war with Spain) and then completely trampling over the 4 rules parliament asked of him (e.g. stopping to issue fraudulent arrest warrants without reason) just a few months later.
He also started a civil war and after he lost asked a foreign (Scottish) army to invade.
He considered every act of parliament an infringement of his divine right.
So yeeeeeaaaaaah, those are some reasons.
There are more.
@@arawn1061 I don't believe I said "divine" but rather "lawful". Can't tell now, my comment is gone.
January 4, 2023: _Charles III_ enters the _House of Commons..._
If the door will be open to him 🤔
This time it would be welcomed. The tories have made a mess of things and and it'll be years before they're voted back into power.
Ha!
Big C: You rang?
what? no, he didn't. kings and queens never enter the HoC. even their envoy, the Black Rod, gets the doors slapped in their face
You have to love these older films that seem so low budget to our eyes now but the acting in them is light years beyond now.
Less CGI and more extras is a win in my view. The olden war films like this and Spartacus still look epic today.
@@leod-sigefast Have you ever seen Waterloo? It takes "more extras" to frankly ridicilous levels.
Seriously? Its so stilted.
@@Strontyum hardly. This is the manner people spoke at this time... Maybe for a modern ear with no one cursing every third word it sounds stilted.
@@LaughingOwlKiller I am referring to the acting: an abundance of hot potatoes, though the affectations might well be lost on someone infatuated with anachronism.
The acting in this scene and this movie is unsurpassed.
One of the most pivotal moments in British history
Shockingly forgotten, maybe because it was swallowed up by the events of the 18th Century; but I consider the American Revolutionaties the spiritual successors of the English Parliamentarians of the 17th.
Which never happened
I realized that Oliver cromwell wasn't even from the people king charles came for
But still an amazing scene
4:34 I like how in the 1600s they had a live orchestra ready to accentuate the drama at any given moment
In India they still do lmfao
"It's over Cromwell, I have the high ground!"
Cromwell: You idiot, you're the one standing down there, while I'm sitting up here.
"You turned them against me!"
@@crashpal "You have done that yourself!"
@@Milordvega Obi-Wan always has the high ground.
"Before the dark times, before the civil war"
I vividly remember this movie being shown in class during Junior High School in the mid 1970s. One scene in particular remained in my memory when Oliver Cromwell and family enters a church and sees the Priest wearing vestments and he erupts in rage and proceeds to overturning the altar.
Away of these Popish idolatry
But Popish is so pop(ular)😎😎😎😎
'remember the reformation!' 😡😡😡😡😡
x'D
Alec Guinness acts as if he were a real king. His manners and behavior would make anyone instantly respect his royal figure, something that most royals today could not emulate. So much dignity! What an extraordinary actor.
There wouldn't have been a civil war in England if Charles I had been like Alec Guinness as he would've come up with a compromise agreement with Parliament.
"The king comes... He comes with a hundred men at arms."
Sounds like iron maiden songs..poetic..
Yes. Just watched it, strangely enough!
Does he now dirty git
Must have been the 501st Legion.
"You cant win, Charles. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine" -Oliver Cromwell
"You can't win, parliament. If you strike me down, the monarchy will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Parliament: "You cannot enter!"
Charles I Kenobi: "You wanna let me in."
1:19 drunk guy trying to get into burger king at 3 AM
Hahahahahaha
This is deliberately inaccurate. Cromwell was not one of the five men on the arrest warrant. Hampden, Haselrig, Holles, Pym and Strode were the five in question.
When the movie is called Cromwell you have to squeeze as much of him in it as u can
@@dkmax32 I dont think there's a lack of Cromwell in this film, just a lack historical accuracy.
The whole film ends up being a pro-Cromwell piece, if you wait to see the text at the end.
@@PNETriffid since when his Hollywood cared about his historical accuracy?
@@Me-yq1fl so what, same difference, since when has movie industry cared about historical accuracy, are you happy now?
Sir Alec Guinness performed this role spectacularly!
We need to take back the Earth and make it British again, why did we allow it to fall through our hands so lightly?
“Mr. Speaker, I must make *bold* with your chair”
King Charles! You *are* a bold one
That's Carry On Cromwell
@@JeremyRiley If he'd added "ducky" it would have been, for sure.
Richard Harris one of my favourite actors of all time... His expression even when not talking speaks a million words.
I assumed Brit's usually made their historic films, fairly accurately (unlike American films).
I see I maybe mistaken.
This scene is wrong.
The first part is fairly accurate.
But the King was never looking for Cromwell, never tried to arrest Cromwell and did not dissolve Parliament at this juncture.
All 5 men that he wanted were not there.
So, he left.
What American films? No examples of literary license, as everyone in cinematography does it.
@@wbm3787 No idea what your point is here.
@@McRocket Now, there's a revelation.
@@wbm3787 Whatever troll.
Your question/statement made little/no sense.
That was my point.
@@McRocket 😉
"Speaker, I must make bold with your chair!'
"Orrrrrrdeeer, order!"
"That's no parliament, it's a space station."
Cromwell as portrayed by the late great Richard Harris, was no hero of the people no hero for parliament or freedom of speech, he was in fact a homicidal and religious maniac, after he executed the King he grabbed the wealth and the land of the King and all those who supported him. cromwell went onto commit genocide in Ireland and in parts of Scotland, he also put to the flame Catholics and Protestants alike in England. When he died in 1658 and his useless son richard took over Parliament got rid of him within 10 days and opted for Charles the Second to return,
Imagine today's Usher of the Black Rod using battering ram whenever he/she enters the Commons during parliamentary occasions
LOL 😂
The Queen should arrest Boris and Co. for high treason against the people.
@@AlanWattResistance huh? lol
@@AlanWattResistance Would that be the same Boris elected with a huge majority? Remain lost, Corbyn lost, get over it.
@@AlanWattResistance English Civil War part 3
Alec Guinnes doing his best to assure the republic, both in Cromwell and Starwars.
But this is a parliamentary monarchy...
Absolutely fantastic comment
What the king told Parliament was true ……. From a certain point of view, the MPs can go about their Business
But the parliament must put the king in check and remind him of the rights and freedoms that they have.
@@attiepollard7847Stars Wars reference.
Also the own king
But this was before the dark times. Before the Empire.
After he dissolves Parliament, Charles waves his hand and tells the group: "Move along."
And the MPs reply, "Let's move along. Move along."
It’s unfortunate that King Charles is often portrayed as a tyrant when Oliver Cromwell was actually the most despotic leader England ever had
And Cromwell has very dubious ties to a certain string of international bankers
Agreed
🗿
His personal rule was surprisingly republican and benevolent, for their time of course.
@@hst615Sure sure. He beheaded the King to start his own lineage. That's just another King with no link to the throne he stole.
Cromwell: I see your treason, and raise you double treason with the possibility of civil war.
Charles: Fuck!
Oliver Cromwell: I've been waiting for you, Charles the First Kenobi. We meet again at last.
Charles I: Are you threatening me, Master Cromwell? I AM the Parliament!
The sad thing here was that both men believed they were genuinely doing what was best for the nation. Charles I was not power hungry for the sake of power; he thought that it was his duty, given by God Himself, to oversee the nation to the best of his ability. Cromwell, on the other hand, saw a man far too Catholic to be what he considered Christian, and thought it was his God given duty to break away from the influence of the Church. I think it could definitely be argued that Cromwell was far more tyrannical and ruthless than Charles.
Especially after what he did in Ireland...
One of them was right, the other was Cromwell
@@str.77 Cromwell did have some good ideas. For example, he realized that the parliament (while under the commonwealth) wasn't getting any reforms done that the people wanted. They simply became greedy, and stagnant. However, no amount of disbanding parliament ever seemed to do anything.
@@maxtyler8993 Seems to be a very common theme in history, I been listening to a podcast about the French Revolution and the same thing happens with their parliament and their king. Despite what we hear about the French king he did want to change things but had too much push back that he was basically powerless to actually make any real reform.
@@maxtyler8993 How is that a good idea? "Parliament doesn't do what I want so I dissolve it." It is not that different from what the King did - only Charles did not go about changing the lives of his subjects. MPs didn't become greedy, they always were - and that includes Cromwell.
Today I’d remove the parliament and keep the king. One is all about themselves one is all about the welfare and happiness of all us on these islands. There is not an honest man in parliament. IMO
They've should've dissolved the Tory party that day. Forever.
Before he went to Tatooine, Obi Wan was hiding in 17th Century England and impersonating a Monarch
This is excellent. The way the king speaks to the parliamemt. The way he use english language to the parliament crowd. I'm not english native, but I feel like the words that everyone use in their dialogues are balsament to my ears. Love english language. Love Great Britain.
The House of Commons are easily startled, but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers
This popped up in my recommended and it was a joy watching it slowly climb to a million views.
The movie gets one thing right - BOTH the King AND Cromwell where seriously dislikeable characters
They are both portrayed as confident and courageous men with strong convictions. I do not see what is so unlikeable about them?
@@mr.mcintosh1923 It may be the german translation (Never seen the full movie in englisch) or me not being a big fan of either actor. But that is how they came over.
@@mr.mcintosh1923 they are both pushing right into the limits of acceptable, Charles absolutely should not be dissolving parliament just to get at someone in the house he wants arrested, marching on parliament with armed guards and battering down the doors is not a reasonable act,,, Cromwell on the otherhand declaring, touch me and your a traitor who's with me? is also escalating the situation,,,, and in the wider context of history,,, yeah both of them were aholes who plunged the country into chaos and Mr 'kings are evil' cromwell had himself declared king in all but name acted like the king he killed and named his son heir to his power,
@@mr.mcintosh1923 King wanted to be a tyrant and do as he pleased without Parliament. Cromwell later turned out to be quite the tyrant himself and also just ask the Irish what they think of Cromwell.
@@killer3000ad The Irish were pagan idol worshippers, who wanted to bring back the inquisition.
"This video is a dramatisation from the film 'Cromwell'." And here I thought it was a live feed.
It was the extent of AI back in the day.
So apparently, this door knocking thing still exists and they replay it every year as a tradition
Yes, at State Opening of Parliament, they slam the door on Black Rod to show the independence of the Commons - ua-cam.com/video/QZlbVvTC6Jw/v-deo.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Members#Commemoration
Yes it’s true, ‘Black rod’ is the monarchs messenger. Black rod calls the commons to hear the monarchs speech at the opening of parliament and as he arrives at the door to the House of Commons it’s symbolically slammed shut in his face. He then has to knock 3 times on the door, using the rod and it is opened from inside. The monarch cannot enter the House of Commons, only the upper chamber (House of Lords).
I think its done in Australian parliament too.
2:37 Captain Barbossa was a man of the law in his early years.
Before the dark times... Before the "Empire..."
Why dark times? For who?
@@rataxv20 Well: Sapin, France, India, Boers, Argentina etc etc...
@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 Might as well add Xhosa & Zulu over there
It is amazing that the Members of Parliament all went to the same tailor !
The shutting of the door as the king approached is reenacted at every state opening when Black Rod goes to summon the Commons for the reading of the Queen's Speech the door is shut and Black Rod knocks three times before being admitted,
Then a Jack Russell enters to hump the leg of the speaker. All historically accurate to the letter.
Update: now it's from the queen back to the king, since her majesty has passed away
And thus no English monarch has ever set foot in the house of Commons again from that day to this!
officially. George VI was given a tour of the Commons after the chamber had been rebuilt following its being bombed during World War II. He was accompanied on the tour by both Churchill and Attlee.
That time when Albus Dumbledore and Obi Wan Kenobi fought for control of England.
No wonder Fudge was thinking Albus wanted his job
“I’ll get me coat”
Albus won, apparently, taking over Hogwarts and all. Poor Obi-Wan was sent into the desert. First in the middle-east (where he faked to be an arab king before Lawrence) and then even further away at Tatooine. 😢
With 1987-1989!Bond as Ben Kenobi's Nephew
"When there were knights,
and they got into fights,
using sabers of light,
it's not the future...
Eeeeven though it looks like it's the future...
it's not really on Earth,
It's a galaxy,
far far away,
alien DNA,
walking 'round everyday,
and no one notices...
Obi-Wan Kanobe trying to arrest Albus Dumbledore 😂
-Come here little friend! Don’t be afraid!
-However, help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who…ask for it…
The last line isn't from Richard Harris Dumbledore but the other one
@@thebandit0256 Harris clearly said it in Chamber of Secrets and Gambon later on said that in Deathly Hallows Part 2
"-However, help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who…ask for it"
Isn't that the problem though? Maybe they shouldn't have helped Voldemort no matter how he wadked for help... 😛
Brilliant comment
Just needed a quip from Dennis skinner
"Nah, she's gonna be the governor."
"DO WHAT YA LIKE!!!!!!!!"
"Dodgy King!"
"Get yer skates on, first race is half-past two."
Well, I’ll be not going
Charles III, do it. It's tradition
You realize Charles I was beheaded and the monarchy abolished as a result of this civil war?
@@lookoutforchris You realize He has already done a few things as tactful as opening doors like that.
@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 take meds now.
@@lookoutforchris his son did it too and lived to tell about it.
And a day later he no longer the king
The King - '' these are not the puritans you are looking for ''
"I warn you, Cromwell. If you strike me, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
"It's treason, then"
- both King Charles and Oliver Cromwell, probably
King Charles made a mistake by not arresting Oliver Cromwell right there and then. If he had made an example of Cromwell, he would not have been executed later. Leaving Cromwell alive and well in parliment was a huge mistake by Charles I.
@@yellyman5483This scene is for dramatic effect. The real people on the list came to the same conclusion you did, and made themselves unpresent
Be careful that King can wield a lightsaber!
And Oliver Cromwell is one of the most powerful wizards and headmaster of a wizardry school.
@@eyan1012He doesn’t have the Elder Wand yet
I remember the day Obiwan storm Hogwarts for teaching witchcraft
Sorry if I sound ignorant but whats with the hogwarts reference? As a big HP fan I’m genuinely curious
@@chgreengrass4934 the reference is a sense of humor thing.
@@chgreengrass4934 the actor play cromwell are also play dumbledore in potter 1 and 2
@@chgreengrass4934 Oliver Cromwell is Richard Harris, who played the original Dumbledore in HP 1 and 2, before he died and Michael Gambon took over.
That would been a better second year for Harry, Ron and Hermione
Ginny: Excuse me
Me: Sorry Mrs Potter and first year for Ginny
“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” basically sums up Cromwell’s life
The Prime Minister of New Zealand is likely to find that out at the next election. Her loyal subjects look set to punish her for being one of the "all time great" leaders in a crisis.
Cromwell was at least 150 years ahead of the game
Under Cromwell's commonwealth the ordinary citizen was freed from serfdom and his organisation of the British army stands to this day. Of course the Royalty had to demonise him
Except when it came to his religious fanaticism
A stupid quote even in Batman.
Those sad, sidelong glances...what a genius !
It's amusing that Richard Harris played Cromwell.
Well Ironic at least.
Off with his head! Cromwell asked calmly
Same irony in his role in this sporting life.
@@ramirezrm an Irish playing Cromwell.
@@ramirezrm Cromwell's treatment of the Irish was way worse and tyrannical than Charles I could ever be.
@@ramirezrm Well Oliver Cromwell imposed a Cotholic holocaust in Ireland. Although he is revered as the father of democracy he was every bit as bad as Hitler to those that didn't fit his narrow beliefs.
FYI I'm neither catholic nor religious.