Subscribe: / stonedgremlinproductions / thecinemasnob www.thecinemasnob.com Brad and Brian review Batman v Superman. Dave will review it at a later date.
29:28 Ok. Brad and Brian? I'm about to tell you a story that is 100% true. I have a friend who during 2001 worked in telemarketing. Basically she took calls for people ordering furniture. On 9/11 she received a phone call and when she answered it the lady on the other end was all "Omg! Omg!! A plane just hit the world Trade Center!! I can see the smoke from my office! It's fucking Insane!!" And my friend... not really knowing what to say or if the person was just crazy was like "Oh! ....erm... That's terrible... ..can... can I help you?" and the lady was like "Oh! Yes, right. I wanted to order this sofa from your catalogue...." ....THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENED.
+pytko3 I dunno, I enjoyed that for Batman, but Superman should have been the voice of reason or something - he wasn't even a contrast. Those are both people I don't wanna be saved by. At least Batman was finally scary as hell.
I mean, fuck, we had a good Batman vs. Superman movie in the past with the DCAU, World's Finest. And they managed to do the same kind of damage to a city that Man of Steel did, but it was clever, with Joker stealing Lex Luthor's military aircraft and blowing the shit out of Metropolis.
+robotrix I think he can do good visuals, but god dam he needs some minders. Somebody with a script and a whip to just go "NO bad Snyder* smack him a few times with it.
To quote Grant Morrison in Animal Man: "We thought that by making your world more _violent_, we would make it more _'realistic,'_ more _'adult'._ God help us if that's what it means."
+modelmajorpita If I could like a comment more than once, then goddamn I would do so for this one. (Waiting for that Animal Man movie that will never happen.)
"If anyone in this movie was gonna turn out to be the Joker, it wasn't Jeremy Irons. It was fucking tumbly mc fuckin' Facrbook!" I laughed so hard at that.
I get you guys yourselves think the Wayne Manor thing is pointless but, imo, it reflects how little thought Snyder put into the characters. He's like 90's comic artists who couldn't write worth a damn and should have stuck to just making pretty pictures while someone who understood narrative told them where to put them. All Snyder can do is make cool slow motion shots so when it comes time to something simple like "What is the state of Wayne Manor" he can't give a coherent answer bc it was never something he even considered. The only important aspects of the film to him were the ones where he could do trippy stuff with the camera.
You lack imagination adn you're one of those who thinks that good story telling means everything should be spoonfed to you. Maybe he just trusts your intelligence ... which obviously proves to be misplaced trust
+Lupe Walker Snyder would't know subtlety if he watched Superman rant about Jesus in front of a picture of Christ. They just didn't give a crap about the detail AT ALL and wanted a cheap excuse to be like "Maybe this will be a thing in the extended edition. Buy our extra DVDs!"
I burst out laughing in the theater when Superman drove that kryptonite spear into Doomsday and later when the bagpipes started playing during Superman's funeral, as well as when they revealed the S-insignia on the lid of his coffin. I couldn't help making a horrible pun to my friend sitting next to me: "What the hell kind of garbage am I watching? This KENT be happening!"
I had the same problem watching the movie, it was a VERY crowded theater but extremely quiet aside from two people, a dude bursting into laughter when Perry White says "NEWS FLASH! GOTHAM CRIME WAVE! In other news...water is wet" and one girl who started applauding when Wonder Woman showed up to fight Doomsday but she got embarrassed and stopped. Every time they reiterated how the city was deserted, it reminded me of that DBZ edit, "TOO BAD IT'S SUNDAY, THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD'VE BEEN FULL TOMORROW"
+ToruKun1 Yeah.. I loved those bits too, where you would hear the noticeable radio chatter "oh and it's on that island that is completely depopulated! And did we mention that those buildings are completely empty? Right beside the huge oil field that no employee is operating or watching over!"
Bruce Wayne: I wonder who the White Portugese is Alfred: Did you google it? BW: There's a ship called The White Portugese owned by Lexcorp Alfred: Great, I just saved the life of a lot of people and 30 minutes of movie. Zack Snyder: God dammit!!!
+Tomanista Seriously. That part was just a gigantic red herring that added nothing to the moive. Plus, did he have to chase those guys down anyway when he put a tracker onto them? The script is just a bunch of contortions to make Batman into a violent asshole who fights Superman.
I can honestly tell you, I never watched any of the other Marvel movies before I saw Avengers. I didn't understand the Marvel Universe. Even then, I could still understand the movie better than Batman VS Superman.
Marvel Cinematic just pulls their narratives off better. Even the dark knight trilogy is confusing, and choppy and inconsistent in tons of places. Now, don't get me wrong, I think the dark knight trilogy is fine for the most part, but I haven't ever seen a DC movie handle consistency as well as any marvel film. I don't really know what causes it, but I really hope DC gets things together, and I think the Batfleck solo film will be a great start.
Liz Harper I would love to see DC make a great movie to get Marvel some real competition. I have hopes for the Suicide Squad Movie and the Wonder Woman movie.
B-Rookie Totally. And I am not an Anti DC fan or anything, I just know they aren't living up to their potential right now. I think the Batfleck movie is very promising and so is Wonder Woman, and I truly wish the film makers the best of luck. I am happy to support their projects by paying to the movies. If I don't like the film, I won't buy merch or buy the film when it hit shelves.
I went to a midnight screening of this too. Never heard such a stone cold dead audience before, specially after my Star Wars and Avengers screenings were filled with cheers and applause.
It's always funny hearing Americans be flustered by silent audiences in theatres, when here in Germany it would be considered very rude to suddenly get up and cheer or applaud in the middle of a movie. Aside from laughing at jokes in movies, we're quiet in movie theatres so as to not disturb the other people trying to pay attention to the movie. ^^
I honestly wanted to hate Jesse's Lex, but at some point or another I just had to laugh. This guy was the only guy in the cast who just did not give a fuck. He never really wanted the role and I can almost respect that level of non giving a fuck compared to all these other guys trying way too hard to be good.
I do have to agree with Brad: I'm honestly fine with a DC CU that's dark in line of the Nolan Trilogy or Batman 89 but it has to be entertaining and have good characterization. That's why those movies worked and this and MoS don't (of course, good writing helps too), they had characters you could identify with and some moments of levity to balance out the really dark moments (whether it's Joker dancing to Prince whilst vandalizing a museum or Batman chastising a Bat-wannabe vigilante for wearing hockey pads).
+DinosaurFan88 the movies take themselves way to serious imo, Superman is never been a straight forward serious overtone character, yet in these last 2 movies i dont think ive seen him even crack a smile.
My uncle was in the World Trade Center on 9/11, and based on what he said, yeah I lot of people in his office had that "...huh" reaction after they heard the first plane hit the other building. It was after the second one hit that people started panicking.
Axel Quatripolar They had no idea that the sound was a plane hitting the building next door. Sometimes loud noises just happen for no apparent reason. I used to work in a building where I'd occasionally hear a loud boom, and I never found out what it was.
+Harris Boekenheide Exactly. People don't really respond to suspicious stuff when they're bored. I went to high school across the street from where I lived. One day in the middle of class, there was suddenly what sounded like automatic gunfire in the street below. We all stopped and perked our ears up, and I'm sure somebody asked out loud "Is that gunfire?" But we just went "Nah, it's probably nothing" and continued on with the class. When I was walking home after school, there was police tape and squad cars all over. Turned out a ranking member of the local criminal organization had just gotten gunned down. Huh.
I saw the 3 hour version, and I wish I'd at least saved myself that extra half hour, because given your remarks it doesn't seem to have added anything. This movie had absolutely horrific storytelling.
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice should be renamed to... Dawn of Justice: Origins - Wonder Woman, Man of Steel 2, Flashpoint, Darkseid Rises, Aquaman Begins, The Death and Return of Superman, Cyborg and the Mother Box, The Dark Knight Returns, Suicide Squad prequel, and at the very very bottom... Batman v Superman, but... I mean it's more of a subplot Yeah, that's more accurate
So, I heard a good argument from a friend that the reason Martha is so significant, is because Batman is suffering from PTSD. Because of his parents, Jason, and all the people who died at Wayne Building in Metropolis, the guilt has driven him over the edge. Hence the brutality he has in the film, and the reason the whole Martha thing works is because it brings back to reality, it makes Superman more human in his eyes. Granted, you would NEVER fucking know that because there is zero fucking buildup or focus, so the whole Martha thing comes off as seriously stupid.
The Martha thing is well-intentioned and not even a bad idea (even though the name isn't necessary), but the execution is ridiculous. Sweaty burly men yelling "Marthaaaaaaaaa" with a pretentiously bombastic score in the background.
My favorite part of all this is the Zack Synder/DC movie fans going "you're all Marvel fanboys" or "you wanted to hate this". Yes, we wanted a quarter billion dollar movie that should have been fun and not just boring to fail. We're all so happy at this outcome.
Aaron Elliott Yeah me too. I go and spend 20 bucks in a theatre on stuff I desperately want to fail all the time. Can't think of a better use of my time than watching stuff I know I'm gonna hate. 2 1/2 hours well spent. Sure... but come to think of it, a lot of people who like BvS seem to have no idea what normal human behavior looks like. There's like soooo many essays on why the Martha moment was unadulterated brilliance and not weird and contrived at all😒
What a mess. If a movie is two and a half hours long it had better have a tight script that keeps moving so it feels justified. Lord of the Rings is a good example of that being done right. It's epic so the length was needed to tell the story. From what I gather BvS needed someone to go at script with a pair of garden sheers.
The Pickles Yeah alot of movie these days suffer from looking like a long and tedious trailer... Like The Amazing Spider-Man Movies, Or any Christopher Nolan movies are Huge Trailers... Music in the background and skipping from Scene to Scene while someone talking at the same time... Thats what trailers does, Show me a Movie for god Sake! I blame it all on Christopher Nolan... lol
gabriel montreuil You're not too far off either. I like some of Nolan's work, but I think you've hit the nail on the head describing what his movies basically are. Look at Inception, the "Chain Kick" or "Multi-Kick" sequence is very trailer anatomy, but at least it had a plot reason doing that. i've seen Trailers that were better than the movies they showed simply because "the anticipation" and "whole potential" sparks so much wonder and imagination just by seeing the trailer only to have it ruined by the final product. I still believe Trailers are very important, but now trailers show too much. They need to show less and remain Teasers until the movie or whatever comes out.
The Pickles Very True. :) What happens of Movie Simply being a Movie? Sometimes Studio and Productions are trying to make movies somethings they aren't! Trying to mix to many ideas at once or turning movies into "Trailer" like scenes... Hollywood need to take a break and let new Ideas and Talent being exploit instead of Recycling and Scrambling the same ideas... Movies are getting redundant... No wonder why people prefer to watch TV Series nowadays... Not all TV Series are Master Piece but there is so much Varieties in TV series compare to movies these days... These days i prefer rediscovering old Classic like Blade Runner, Matrix, Citizen Kane, Space Odyssey, Planet of the Apes, Clock Work Orange, Terminator 2... etc Than going to the theaters nowadays days...
gabriel montreuil Kevin Murphy (the voice of Tom Servo on Mystery Science Theater 3000) wrote an entire book about "why going to the movies has lost it's appeal. He made it a mission before writing the book to basically Go See a Different Movie Every Day for an Entire Year and this included seeing movies in different theaters around the world. And he's Tom Servo, he's seen the worst and this is nothing he can't handle, so he wrote the book with a sense of humor and also an insightful look at what has ultimately happened to the industry. I too have gotten tired of risking my time in theaters simply cuz none of the movies feel special or made with care. Only a few shinning examples like Mad Max Fury Road and Krampus show a glimmer of hope that there are movies made by movie lovers. But my point is that I also understand that the movie industry IS an industry full of hard working people and sometimes they just have to make these shitty remake movies just so they can keep working and earn a living. All those movie crew workers depend a little on this blockbusters to feed themselves regardless if they are making art or just stupid rehashed shit. A lot of people forget that part of the equation and just attack Hollywood's directors and producers without thinking about the little guys who also worked on the movie. Honestly, movies might be in need to evolve and change their business soon too with the coming advances in virtual reality like the Oculus Rift, and everything simply funneling into your home and your portable phone.
I continue to be baffled at how badly DC is screwing up their movies when their live action TV branch is making 4 interconnected shows that all work in their own right on comparatively no budget. Maybe they should get their TV writers working on their movies or something.
I found Daredevil season one to be overrated. I only actually enjoyed two episodes of it. Minority opinion, I know. As for their other shows: I was burned out on the MCU before avengers 1 came out and couldn't care less about anything connected to it. Daredevil was my one exception.
I assume you've actually seen the movie or just going with what the crowd? The movie wasn't horrible to me but I don't go crazy for Marvel films so clearly I'm already in the minority
The actual quote from the movie is bullshit, but Brad's memory-mangled "Psychopath is a three letter word that's too big for your head" SHOULD be on T-shirts.
I feel like most people are going through a Phantom Menace state with this movie. They're at the stage of denial when they say they think this movie is alright or even good. I'd say give them a good month, year, or half a decade or so before the realization finally sinks in.
+Darrius Cooper I'm getting really sick of this "argument". Yes, it happened with a lot for The Phantom Menace, but that doesn't mean audiences are generally going to have the same reaction with tons of films afterwards. A ton of people were arguing this because others dared to like The Force Awakens as well. Plot twist: some people genuinely enjoy a film for what it is and will continue to do so. Making a cheap prediction that "oh, their opinion will change later!" is a really cheap tactic to disown another person's opinion. Just state what your opinion is and don't try to shortchange others' opinions by acting like you can see into the future. Honestly, on a related note, I actually enjoy Man of Steel slightly more than I did a few years ago. It also helps that I always found the "Superman accidentally caused so much damage and death!" argument really shaky, and on multiple viewings over time I noticed that the VAST majority of said damage/deaths that weren't caused by Zod, Faora, and co. were actually caused by the American military.
Actually, TPM is getting a bit of a renaissance now. With how bummed people are at the recent set of SW movies, a lot of people are looking back at the Prequels and saying "this was not as shitty as we thought it was!"
i think that it would have been funny if the whole reason Batman and Superman were fighting each other is because Superman (for no real reason) had burned down Wayne manor XD
I thought man of Steel was okay. I didn't love nor hate it, and I'm in no way passionate about it. I can totally see why some people would love it but at the same time I see the problems others talk about. This, however, I came out of actively disliking. I had about the same reaction to this as you did Man of Steel, in that I was sitting there stunned at what I was watching. It was so joyless, so convoluted, and just all over the place in terms of narritive, and full of so many baffling and questionable decisions that _could_ work, but DC have yet to earn them and they just ended up blowing their load too early. There was some things I liked. I thought Affleck was a good Batman, just in a crap movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing him in a good one. I liked Gadot as Wonder Woman in the few scenes she was in and Irons as Alfred, but your absolutely right in that the movie is a complete mess.
I'm pretty sure that it is very poorly implied that Alfred was creating the suit for Batman, even though Alfred seems very against the fighting idea and probably wouldn't help him build it anyway? I mean the only reason I can assume this is because at one point he's talking about the voice not being the problem "it's the damn helmet" or something like that, so he has to be referring to the big ass suit. Right? I don't know. I have a headache.
If you want to spend 2-1/2 hours on a Batman Superman Justice League prequel just watch WB animation's The Batman Superman movie and the one hour pilot to the Justice League cartoon, and you get 20 minutes to spare.
+John Goodrich WB animated superhero movies and shows, blow their live action movies out of the water. hell, their live action superhero shows are better than their movies.
+TheGotenza What? Hey for me Superman is just Superman, nothing more or less. He is meant to inspire the world, not make people be afraid. He shows us, we can be better in the world. He is Lois Lane's Lover, Lex Luthor's enemy, Jimmy Olsen's pal, Jonathan and Martha Kent's son. He is Clark Kent and not a 'God'.
I can't be certain, but I think Wayne Manor is in ruins as a half-arsed reference to the Kingdom Come comic series. In that series the house was ruined because it had finally been revealed Bruce Wayne was Batman, and some villains rampaged through the house and Bruce never bothered to rebuild it. He also has the mech-suit, but because he's somewhere around eighty years old it's actually an expensive walker. But I think his secret identity in the movie is still intact so it makes no sense.
I was awaiting the reactions of Brad and Crew, Moviebob, and Red Letter Media more than the movie itself. I knew this would be a horrific trainwreck, but my god why is Batman killing people? He has no right to complain about anything anymore.
14:20 Tumbly McF-ckin Facebook... hmm, that's a catchy villain name. I think the RLM guys nailed it: if Gene Hackman Lex Luthor had a mutant genetic baby with Heath Ledger Joker.. it would be Tumbly McF-ckin Facebook.
This basically is Superman 4 in the last part. I mean, Lex Luthor made a creature with part of his genes in it in the movie right? *points to Nuclear Man from Superman 4*
I have so little interest or investment in this movie that even if it were good I wouldn't give a damn, but man, do I always look forward to these discussions and I am EAGERLY awaiting Dave's video! I'll have to tide myself over with the Angry Joe spoiler video next, but there is just something about Dave's comic book movie reviews that is simply fuckin' magical. So looking forward to it! Keep up the good work, assfaces!
The movie was okay, certainly not as bad as the critics say. The biggest issue with BvS is that it has so much set up for the Justice League movie that everything else in the film gets kind of sidelined. Much like Age of Ultron there are so many characters and things going on that the film can't find a balance to properly showcase everything. Maybe the extended cut will fix that when it comes out on BluRay, we'll see. The many dream sequences were also unnecessary and most of them could of been cut. That being said, the characters were all well acted, the action was excellent, and the final battle with the Trinity against Doomsday was spectacular. But the structure of the film is what lets it down. It doesn't break the film but it doesn't help it either. The film did get me excited for the upcoming Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman films though. Gal Gadot was amazing as Wonder Woman and I can't wait to see her dive more into this character. Ben Affleck playing Batman/Bruce Wayne was very well done; however, I am not a fan of the angry Frank Miller version of Batman who has the propensity to kill his enemies. And Superman's heroic qualities were much better realized in this film. All in all, if you went into this movie wanting to hate it it won't change your mind. I went in with an open mind not having read any reviews and criticisms. The audience seemed to enjoy the film and I did like it in the end. It made me interested in what the other DC movies will bring to the table and peaked my interest in the Justice League movie which, I guess, is the point.
But that is the biggest problem though: This is setting up the Justice League film and yet we have three very jarring issues. 1) How do you do this if you has Superman taking a dirt nap? Yeah, most likely that Superman will just pop out of nowhere like he does when he is "killed," but do you honestly expect that it will be handled well enough? "Hey guys! I finished absorbing the Sun's Rays to cure my case of death, so I'm ready to fight for truth and justice again!" 2) Why should Batman be in the Justice League? As far as I see, this would be like having The Punisher be in the Avengers; you are seriously going to add a guy who openly kills people and say "Well, as long as you promise to stop killing, you can join our group!" You can argue that we haven't seen any redeeming qualities out of this version of Batman that openly says that he should be allowed, and yet we are going to get a fun bullshit excuse to justify everything. Or hey, maybe Bruce Wayne will make a big donation and say, "Let Batman join." 3) You said it yourself: "Much like Age of Ultron there are so many characters and things going on that the film can't find a balance to properly showcase everything." Here's my argument for that: For each crossover film that Marvel has, how much build up movies were made before hand? Quite a bit, right? Well guess how many films between BvS and the Justice League movie that we're going to get if the current "Plan" stays its course? ... one. And guess who it is? Wonder Woman. Not to say that Woman Woman is a bad thing since this probably will be the first big thing done with Wonder Woman that I can recall in recent time, but you just introduced her BvS and now you are going to tell us her backstory instead of before the crossover film? Yeah, there is Suicide Squad too, but do you really think that is going to tie in anything with the actual story arc? It might, but let's be honest though, our attention isn't supposed to be on Suicide Squad right? It isn't like anyone in the Suicide Squad is going to join the Justice League at the end (and if they do, then let the backlash continue!). The point is that if you think Age of Ultron had problems with introducing new characters into the plot, I can't imagine the train wreck Justice League will have. There are o many problems with how DC is approaching the "Movie Universe," that it really is a shame that they didn't plan this out. Say what you will of Marvel/Disney, but they took the time to figure out how they were going to do, and look at where things are for them. DC needs to rethink their plans because they are screwing up left and right if an "OK Film" is the best they can do; especially if this was supposed to be the big crossover between two of their biggest heroes.
mas8705 I'm just stating my opinion on the movie. You are welcome to disagree if you want to but I just stated what I thought of the film. I am not here to invalidate someone's opinions or justify them. Nor I am I here to speculate on how WB/DC further develops their movie universe. Is BvS a flawed film? Yes, but I can still enjoy a flawed film. If you didn't enjoy the film then I can't help you with that. The reason why I used the example of 'Age of Ultron' (and 'Iron Man 2' suffers from this problem too) is that it did the same kinds of mistakes that BvS did. Too many characters, confusing subplots, strange motivations for the main villain, and choppy editing. 'Age of Ultron is the eleventh film in the MCU yet it made all of those beginners mistakes. The DCCU is just beginning so there is an expectation that it would stumble a little given the fact that they are playing catch up, so I can forgive some its shortfalls. I have higher expectations of Marvel because they are so far ahead. I am less forgiving of sloppy work from Marvel and just because they are way ahead of their competition doesn't mean I give them a free pass. For example, Ant-Man was good but it felt like an average effort especially when compared to films like Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. Even Brad Jones in his review of 'Ant-Man' pointed out that it felt like an average Marvel movie. Sorry but average and half-hearted efforts on Marvel's part don't impress me anymore. Like Pixar, Marvel has set the bar for comic book movie adaptations and I expect them to live up to that standard. But also like Pixar they seem to drift into formulaic storytelling from time to time which they shouldn't be doing.
BlueHooloovoo Well said. Trust me, I'm not too concerned about trying to "change opinions" myself, and you raise valid points too. If anything else, I enjoy having discussions with people.
I would really love to see a discussion between you and Angry Joe. Not because you would fight, but because you guys are pretty good to each other and I would love to see a friendly discussion on this.
I'm actually thankful for all the hate. All the hate had me lower my expectations so much, that it was better than expected. Problem is, you really have to know many different story arcs and versions of Batman and Superman from the comics to accept the insane choices made in this movie, but I feel most people don't. The desert scene implies that Lane died (which has nothing to do about the movie, because there the conflict is, that Martha might die) and made Superman a villian in a world ruled by Darkseid (the symbol on the ground) and his minions (the flying creatures). It's basically a reference to another comic, and a preview for the following movies, because Luthor announces the arrival of Darkseid.
Luthors plan to create Doomsday was really dumb btw, because it's something he got no control over. but I've got a fun theory: Luthor was obviously told of Darkseid when he acquired the kryptonian knowledge. What if he just created Darkseid as a test for Superman and as something to make them consider to unite and create the Justice League, to be prepared for Darkseid?! Would be kinda awesome, Luthor would not only be more intelligent than it seems in this movie, but kinda an anti-hero.
MforMovesets All that doesn't change how dumb and contrived the movie was, how boring it was and how no one has an arc. Not to mention all the waste-of-time subplots that never pay off. It was garbage whether you know all the billion incarnation of bats and supes or not.
This movie was an attempt to perform what Marvel did in three set up movies and cap stone movie. I would agree with the idea that this is a cliffnotes version of several movies. Or the catch-up of a seasons worth or episodes.
+Tantrill Holy shit you said my thoughts exactly. I didn't despise the movie, but god they spent half the movie trying to set up Justice League, and Lex...what can I say about him that hasn't been said before. Jesse's goof, but this isn't his character. And what is it with the movie making Superman to be this messiah-like character?
I saw it today and just walked out confused as all hell. Is Gotham across the river from Metropolis now? Do certain characters have ESP and convey situations to each other telepathically? Why does Batman go into PTSD mode when he hears his mom's name still, 30 years after the fact?
I am relating so hard to you guys right now. Things probably were answered but I was SO CHECKED OUT. After one hour I was ready to leave, like I could've left the movie theater with no yearning to see the ending at all.
+Dan M. I'm still trying to be optimistic about anything that isn't strictly done by Synder, but who knows. It's easy to place the blame squarely on him, but it feels like WB/DC is pushing this vision too.
Affleck did a good job. I feel vindicated. The movie was a mishmash of unrelated story elements crammed together. I feel vindicated. Thanks guys. On Silver Age maps Smallville, Midvale (where Supergirl grew up), Metropolis and Gotham were all in a line right next to each other. Island of the coast? That would be Stryker's Island or Blackgate depending on which city it was adjacent to.
When did Batman change outfits between fighting Superman and going to save Martha Kent? Why would he even bother given the time sensitive nature of it? You mean that idiot kidnapper was still using the same phone, and that's how they were able to track him? In fact, how were Lois and Bruce able to confirm it was the same guy. Which reminds me, that it even was the same guy was plot convenience theatre.
When I saw this movie last night there were a lot of teenage boys in the theater and when Wonder Woman appeared ever body cheered and when the movie was over everybody gave a standing ovation. I thought the movie was okay and Ben Afflack did a good job as Batman.
The Jesus things been part of Superman before. The moody, "I don't know if I should be a hero or a worker in the Arctic" seemed inspired by the Wolverine movies to me.
Doom made me furious in fant4stic for bad character adaptation. Eisenberg in this just made me cringe. Like the whole time i was just like "what are you doing right now?" Honestly like the worst villain preformance of a comic book movie i can think of
Hey Brad you will love this. The trailer for 'God's Not Dead 2' played before this movie, and it was the last trailer. It was kinda awkward, seeing it before the movie.
Jesse Eisenberg was playing Rip Taylor...errr I mean Lex Luther..... oh sorry Lex JR. If you go back and watch it again watch a video of Rip Taylor and tell me they don't sound the same, just Rip is much older and actually funny to listen to.
Jimmy Olsen was shot in the head in this movie. Jimmy Olsen was Superman's biggest fan and supporter and that should tell you all you need to know about Zack Snyder and BVS.
Apparently you can become best friends with someone you were trying to kill 5 minutes earlier if your mothers have the same name.. That was the worst part of this film.
it was deeper than that. many times batman said "if only I was faster stronger etc" hr blamed himself. So two things 1 batman saw it as a chance to save his mom and get some redemption and 2 in the face of death superman pleaded for his moms life not his own, Batman realized he was a man with a mom not some superhuman with a god complex and therefore immediately regretted his actions and tried to redeem himself by helping supes. this is perfectly in line with comic Batman.
+mbreezy223 You are adding things that were not in the film, which is... something. The film as written was completely lacking in motivations for most of the main characters, so it would make sense that you add your own for them. With that said, the ONLY reason Superman said "I need to save Martha," and not "I need to save my mom," is so that Batman would realize that their moms have the same names. That's shitty writing.
+MasterFhyl I'm not the only fan who thought this. Not everything should be spelled out for us. We knew who these characters were coming into the film we were already aware of their trauma. Zach held nobodies hand with this film. Not only that if you paid attention they show how much he regretted his parents death throughout. We live in a generation of morons where everyone needs every detail explained through exposition. But this movie made you think and if you didn't know the characters prior then of course you'd think that. Anybody who understood the movie even halfway knew why batman stopped. The writing was on point.
+MasterFhyl And no, up until that point batman didn't know he had a earth mom. Or feelings for her in general. He said Martha so batman would figure it was a human woman, the names were purely coincidental. However when Lois yelled that's his mother it hit him he was just a man trying to save his mom. However I will say Lois sucked eggs in the film. Aside from that you're supposed to look beneath the surface and ask yourself what would make Batman stop, why did superman say that etc again anyone familiar with the source material drew the same conclusions I did its all over the internet I'm sure there is probably a website dedicated to that scene alone lol. Instead of writing it off like the few understand what that scene really meant cause it was definitely a turning point and the reason batman said he failed Superman at the end.
Great breakdown of the shitshow, guys! One small bit to Brian: regarding Metropolis being in Delaware (If I think we're talking about the same map), whoever drew up that layout didn't know that it would be smack dab between beach resort towns and straight farmland. Useless trivia!
So apparently DC really has no intention of doing anything marvel-like because SPOILER there's no post credit or end credits scene.... And even Green Lantern had an end credit scene :-/
I am going to quote what Doug Walker said about the Batman and Robin movie.''Think of all the money we could have given to hungry people except for this movie''(something like that).I just came back from the movies and i was dissapointed with this disaster.
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Ok. Brad and Brian? I'm about to tell you a story that is 100% true.
I have a friend who during 2001 worked in telemarketing. Basically she took calls for people ordering furniture. On 9/11 she received a phone call and when she answered it the lady on the other end was all "Omg! Omg!! A plane just hit the world Trade Center!! I can see the smoke from my office! It's fucking Insane!!"
And my friend... not really knowing what to say or if the person was just crazy was like "Oh! ....erm... That's terrible... ..can... can I help you?"
and the lady was like "Oh! Yes, right. I wanted to order this sofa from your catalogue...."
....THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENED.
+Liezl Bohnen THE TERRORISTS! TWIN TOWERS! 9/11!!! btw sofa?
Hahaha! Great story.It's like one of those "Where Were You When..." stories.
+Liezl Bohnen *walks away from the computer, steps outside, and looks into the distance trying to make sense of this f-ed up world*
This movie answered the question we were all wondering. What if Batman and Superman were both assholes?
Yeah. And morons, don't forget morons.
+pytko3 I dunno, I enjoyed that for Batman, but Superman should have been the voice of reason or something - he wasn't even a contrast. Those are both people I don't wanna be saved by. At least Batman was finally scary as hell.
Hell, Superman was barely in the movie at all.
Ann Nee Yes, exactly. The two big heroes are portrayed as idiots.
I mean, fuck, we had a good Batman vs. Superman movie in the past with the DCAU, World's Finest. And they managed to do the same kind of damage to a city that Man of Steel did, but it was clever, with Joker stealing Lex Luthor's military aircraft and blowing the shit out of Metropolis.
Can we all finally agree....Zack Snyder sucks...
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always thought so.
+robotrix Well he has made good movies, but I will agree that Man of steel and Batman v. Superman: Dawn of justice both SUCK!
+robotrix I think he can do good visuals, but god dam he needs some minders. Somebody with a script and a whip to just go "NO bad Snyder* smack him a few times with it.
+SnowCrash So like George Lucas and M. Night Shyamalan, basically.
To quote Grant Morrison in Animal Man:
"We thought that by making your world more _violent_, we would make it more _'realistic,'_ more _'adult'._ God help us if that's what it means."
+modelmajorpita If I could like a comment more than once, then goddamn I would do so for this one.
(Waiting for that Animal Man movie that will never happen.)
lol you're quoting that unironically. I bet you also have a problem with evolution textbooks.
you realize in order for something to live something must die roiii?
At a Starbucks: " I got a Grande for Martha" Bruce says: "What did you say?" LMAO
"what was this movie about?"
"well, when a batman and a superman love each other very much..."
this is why you two are my favorite.
+Commander Shepard
On the plus side, it'll inspire many gay pornos in the future that could either be laughable or really hot.
Andrew Grey Who would be top, though? Probably Batman, huh? (though superman does cum at the speed of light...)
Commander Shepard HA! True.
At least one of those pornos needs to feature an Arnold esque Mr. Freeze, and lots of terrible puns.
mooseclappin11 i know theres a blue balls pun in there somewhere, I just cant find it...
In short: "Batman vs. Superman: Friendship is Martha"?
"tumbly mcfacebook". exactly.
I call him Lex Wonka because he reminded me of Johnny Depp's Wonka.
"If anyone in this movie was gonna turn out to be the Joker, it wasn't Jeremy Irons. It was fucking tumbly mc fuckin' Facrbook!" I laughed so hard at that.
I get you guys yourselves think the Wayne Manor thing is pointless but, imo, it reflects how little thought Snyder put into the characters. He's like 90's comic artists who couldn't write worth a damn and should have stuck to just making pretty pictures while someone who understood narrative told them where to put them. All Snyder can do is make cool slow motion shots so when it comes time to something simple like "What is the state of Wayne Manor" he can't give a coherent answer bc it was never something he even considered. The only important aspects of the film to him were the ones where he could do trippy stuff with the camera.
+Julian Francisco I said the same thing to some people. Those 90s comic book artist to writer transitions REALLY made me appreciate writers.
Amen brother.
You lack imagination adn you're one of those who thinks that good story telling means everything should be spoonfed to you. Maybe he just trusts your intelligence ... which obviously proves to be misplaced trust
Lupe Walker Or maybe Snyder is trapped in his images over story shtick. Kind of like M. Night was trapped in his twist endings.
+Lupe Walker
Snyder would't know subtlety if he watched Superman rant about Jesus in front of a picture of Christ. They just didn't give a crap about the detail AT ALL and wanted a cheap excuse to be like "Maybe this will be a thing in the extended edition. Buy our extra DVDs!"
I burst out laughing in the theater when Superman drove that kryptonite spear into Doomsday and later when the bagpipes started playing during Superman's funeral, as well as when they revealed the S-insignia on the lid of his coffin. I couldn't help making a horrible pun to my friend sitting next to me: "What the hell kind of garbage am I watching? This KENT be happening!"
Joorum you get the movie’s sense of humor then
I had the same problem watching the movie, it was a VERY crowded theater but extremely quiet aside from two people, a dude bursting into laughter when Perry White says "NEWS FLASH! GOTHAM CRIME WAVE! In other news...water is wet" and one girl who started applauding when Wonder Woman showed up to fight Doomsday but she got embarrassed and stopped. Every time they reiterated how the city was deserted, it reminded me of that DBZ edit, "TOO BAD IT'S SUNDAY, THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD'VE BEEN FULL TOMORROW"
+ToruKun1 Yeah.. I loved those bits too, where you would hear the noticeable radio chatter "oh and it's on that island that is completely depopulated! And did we mention that those buildings are completely empty? Right beside the huge oil field that no employee is operating or watching over!"
there are no bums in gotham, what are you talking about?
"Man Of Steel" wasn't a good movie, IMHO. So I won't waste my time with this one. Thanks for the heads-up review, guys!
Bruce Wayne: I wonder who the White Portugese is
Alfred: Did you google it?
BW: There's a ship called The White Portugese owned by Lexcorp
Alfred: Great, I just saved the life of a lot of people and 30 minutes of movie.
Zack Snyder: God dammit!!!
+Tomanista Seriously. That part was just a gigantic red herring that added nothing to the moive. Plus, did he have to chase those guys down anyway when he put a tracker onto them? The script is just a bunch of contortions to make Batman into a violent asshole who fights Superman.
It wasn;'t on Google.
I can honestly tell you, I never watched any of the other Marvel movies before I saw Avengers. I didn't understand the Marvel Universe. Even then, I could still understand the movie better than Batman VS Superman.
Marvel Cinematic just pulls their narratives off better. Even the dark knight trilogy is confusing, and choppy and inconsistent in tons of places. Now, don't get me wrong, I think the dark knight trilogy is fine for the most part, but I haven't ever seen a DC movie handle consistency as well as any marvel film. I don't really know what causes it, but I really hope DC gets things together, and I think the Batfleck solo film will be a great start.
Liz Harper I would love to see DC make a great movie to get Marvel some real competition. I have hopes for the Suicide Squad Movie and the Wonder Woman movie.
B-Rookie
I will say suicide squad was fun, but the writing was kind of bad. I think Wonder Woman could be great though!
Liz Harper Same here. There were some choices I didn't agree with but it was better than BVS. I'm really looking forward to the Wonder Woman movie.
B-Rookie
Totally. And I am not an Anti DC fan or anything, I just know they aren't living up to their potential right now. I think the Batfleck movie is very promising and so is Wonder Woman, and I truly wish the film makers the best of luck. I am happy to support their projects by paying to the movies. If I don't like the film, I won't buy merch or buy the film when it hit shelves.
I went to a midnight screening of this too. Never heard such a stone cold dead audience before, specially after my Star Wars and Avengers screenings were filled with cheers and applause.
It's always funny hearing Americans be flustered by silent audiences in theatres, when here in Germany it would be considered very rude to suddenly get up and cheer or applaud in the middle of a movie. Aside from laughing at jokes in movies, we're quiet in movie theatres so as to not disturb the other people trying to pay attention to the movie. ^^
Lots kids are growing with marvel from Ironman to Hulk. Give it years, it will get more support.
'Tumbly Mc. Fucking FaceBook' XD
I can't wait for Dave's 3 hour dissertation on this movie.
The film was like it went on a drinking binge, and it did not know when to stop drinking, by the time doomsday came round it was puking its guts up
I honestly wanted to hate Jesse's Lex, but at some point or another I just had to laugh. This guy was the only guy in the cast who just did not give a fuck. He never really wanted the role and I can almost respect that level of non giving a fuck compared to all these other guys trying way too hard to be good.
That's a good way to look at it ;)
When he walked in I pretty much gave up on the movie and decided to just have fun watching him.
"Dave will give his thoughts on this movie, I'm sure in great lengthy detail." If by that you mean a 30 minute death stare then yes.
+Timothy Seals I watched his review of it last night, and you're totally right! LOL!
Yep, and holy crap your MechWarrior 2 soundtrack covers are awesome!
I do have to agree with Brad: I'm honestly fine with a DC CU that's dark in line of the Nolan Trilogy or Batman 89 but it has to be entertaining and have good characterization. That's why those movies worked and this and MoS don't (of course, good writing helps too), they had characters you could identify with and some moments of levity to balance out the really dark moments (whether it's Joker dancing to Prince whilst vandalizing a museum or Batman chastising a Bat-wannabe vigilante for wearing hockey pads).
+DinosaurFan88 the movies take themselves way to serious imo, Superman is never been a straight forward serious overtone character, yet in these last 2 movies i dont think ive seen him even crack a smile.
"Dave will give his thoughts on this movie"
I cannot wait for that 6 hour marathon of anger. It's going to be amazing.
We better get some snacks for that.
Its gonna be on like Donkey Kong!
Actual video, Dave sitting looking angry while Sarah describes the movie
My uncle was in the World Trade Center on 9/11, and based on what he said, yeah I lot of people in his office had that "...huh" reaction after they heard the first plane hit the other building. It was after the second one hit that people started panicking.
Axel Quatripolar They had no idea that the sound was a plane hitting the building next door. Sometimes loud noises just happen for no apparent reason. I used to work in a building where I'd occasionally hear a loud boom, and I never found out what it was.
+Harris Boekenheide Nobody that was in the trade center survived the towers, your uncle would've had to have evacuated before the towers came down.
+Harris Boekenheide Exactly. People don't really respond to suspicious stuff when they're bored. I went to high school across the street from where I lived. One day in the middle of class, there was suddenly what sounded like automatic gunfire in the street below. We all stopped and perked our ears up, and I'm sure somebody asked out loud "Is that gunfire?" But we just went "Nah, it's probably nothing" and continued on with the class. When I was walking home after school, there was police tape and squad cars all over. Turned out a ranking member of the local criminal organization had just gotten gunned down. Huh.
Silvis Moon He was only on the second floor of the building or something like that.
+Silvis Moon Absolutely nobody survived the WTC collapse?
I saw the 3 hour version, and I wish I'd at least saved myself that extra half hour, because given your remarks it doesn't seem to have added anything. This movie had absolutely horrific storytelling.
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice should be renamed to...
Dawn of Justice: Origins - Wonder Woman, Man of Steel 2, Flashpoint, Darkseid Rises, Aquaman Begins, The Death and Return of Superman, Cyborg and the Mother Box, The Dark Knight Returns, Suicide Squad prequel, and at the very very bottom... Batman v Superman, but... I mean it's more of a subplot
Yeah, that's more accurate
Even Jeremy Irons reported that he thought the movie was overstuffed.
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Dave
So, I heard a good argument from a friend that the reason Martha is so significant, is because Batman is suffering from PTSD. Because of his parents, Jason, and all the people who died at Wayne Building in Metropolis, the guilt has driven him over the edge. Hence the brutality he has in the film, and the reason the whole Martha thing works is because it brings back to reality, it makes Superman more human in his eyes.
Granted, you would NEVER fucking know that because there is zero fucking buildup or focus, so the whole Martha thing comes off as seriously stupid.
The Martha thing is well-intentioned and not even a bad idea (even though the name isn't necessary), but the execution is ridiculous. Sweaty burly men yelling "Marthaaaaaaaaa" with a pretentiously bombastic score in the background.
There could have been other ways to do that though. There have been other examples that could have been used to show that superman was human.
this is the most accurate review of Batman Vs Superman, I have heard....
+MAelite The movie did one thing right. "That was the quietest audience ever, and the room was crowded." THANK GOD!
My favorite part of all this is the Zack Synder/DC movie fans going "you're all Marvel fanboys" or "you wanted to hate this". Yes, we wanted a quarter billion dollar movie that should have been fun and not just boring to fail. We're all so happy at this outcome.
Aaron Elliott Yeah me too. I go and spend 20 bucks in a theatre on stuff I desperately want to fail all the time. Can't think of a better use of my time than watching stuff I know I'm gonna hate. 2 1/2 hours well spent. Sure... but come to think of it, a lot of people who like BvS seem to have no idea what normal human behavior looks like. There's like soooo many essays on why the Martha moment was unadulterated brilliance and not weird and contrived at all😒
Zack Snyder = Style & Quantity > Substance & Quality
What a mess. If a movie is two and a half hours long it had better have a tight script that keeps moving so it feels justified. Lord of the Rings is a good example of that being done right. It's epic so the length was needed to tell the story. From what I gather BvS needed someone to go at script with a pair of garden sheers.
*Sees video*
*Sees time limit*
Oh, this is gonna be a good episode, isn't it? >:3
so... let me get this...
The thing that most fans were crying about (Ben Affleck) seems to be the only really good thing about this?
He was bad. Not bad as in over the top or something. Bad as in boring. He play one emotion in his face. Blank.
+metalmugen I liked him
+Andre Martänz Yeah. The film is terrible, but Affleck is awesome. Can't wait for the stand alone Batman film.
Yeah that sounds about right.
Steve Perrin
as long as snyder is not directing it
This guys hit it on every point this movie was a bad movie and I wasted my money and time watching this shit
Same.
+Kevin Bilbo hahah sucks to be you.
I was forced to watch it twice because we couldn't get into hardcore Henry.
+Kevin Bilbo BvS is to smart for dumbfucks
+Tom of Steel BvS is the dumbest movie I've ever seen
This movie was a 2 hours Trailer...
^ This
The Pickles
Yeah alot of movie these days suffer from looking like a long and tedious trailer... Like The Amazing Spider-Man Movies, Or any Christopher Nolan movies are Huge Trailers... Music in the background and skipping from Scene to Scene while someone talking at the same time... Thats what trailers does, Show me a Movie for god Sake!
I blame it all on Christopher Nolan... lol
gabriel montreuil
You're not too far off either. I like some of Nolan's work, but I think you've hit the nail on the head describing what his movies basically are. Look at Inception, the "Chain Kick" or "Multi-Kick" sequence is very trailer anatomy, but at least it had a plot reason doing that. i've seen Trailers that were better than the movies they showed simply because "the anticipation" and "whole potential" sparks so much wonder and imagination just by seeing the trailer only to have it ruined by the final product. I still believe Trailers are very important, but now trailers show too much. They need to show less and remain Teasers until the movie or whatever comes out.
The Pickles
Very True. :)
What happens of Movie Simply being a Movie?
Sometimes Studio and Productions are trying to make movies somethings they aren't!
Trying to mix to many ideas at once or turning movies into "Trailer" like scenes...
Hollywood need to take a break and let new Ideas and Talent being exploit instead of Recycling and Scrambling the same ideas... Movies are getting redundant...
No wonder why people prefer to watch TV Series nowadays... Not all TV Series are Master Piece but there is so much Varieties in TV series compare to movies these days...
These days i prefer rediscovering old Classic like Blade Runner, Matrix, Citizen Kane, Space Odyssey, Planet of the Apes, Clock Work Orange, Terminator 2... etc Than going to the theaters nowadays days...
gabriel montreuil
Kevin Murphy (the voice of Tom Servo on Mystery Science Theater 3000) wrote an entire book about "why going to the movies has lost it's appeal. He made it a mission before writing the book to basically Go See a Different Movie Every Day for an Entire Year and this included seeing movies in different theaters around the world. And he's Tom Servo, he's seen the worst and this is nothing he can't handle, so he wrote the book with a sense of humor and also an insightful look at what has ultimately happened to the industry.
I too have gotten tired of risking my time in theaters simply cuz none of the movies feel special or made with care. Only a few shinning examples like Mad Max Fury Road and Krampus show a glimmer of hope that there are movies made by movie lovers. But my point is that I also understand that the movie industry IS an industry full of hard working people and sometimes they just have to make these shitty remake movies just so they can keep working and earn a living. All those movie crew workers depend a little on this blockbusters to feed themselves regardless if they are making art or just stupid rehashed shit. A lot of people forget that part of the equation and just attack Hollywood's directors and producers without thinking about the little guys who also worked on the movie.
Honestly, movies might be in need to evolve and change their business soon too with the coming advances in virtual reality like the Oculus Rift, and everything simply funneling into your home and your portable phone.
So it's Sucker Punch: DC Comics edition?
+Agent57000DM no it's a pre-insanty Frank Miller comic, with some Sucker Punch problems and great DC action.
Pretty much
Josh Combs
we could even call the Sucker Punch elements(which I wasn't really annoyed by) current Frank Miller.
I was thinking like The Last Airbender: DC Edition. Summary story, no transitions, all missing is bad accent asking "Are you a Kryptanian Clairk?"
I continue to be baffled at how badly DC is screwing up their movies when their live action TV branch is making 4 interconnected shows that all work in their own right on comparatively no budget. Maybe they should get their TV writers working on their movies or something.
DC has better shows. Marvel has better movies.
+shizuwolf Marvels Netflix series are pretty damn good though
+Flame of Udun what about animated series?
I found Daredevil season one to be overrated. I only actually enjoyed two episodes of it. Minority opinion, I know.
As for their other shows: I was burned out on the MCU before avengers 1 came out and couldn't care less about anything connected to it. Daredevil was my one exception.
I assume you've actually seen the movie or just going with what the crowd? The movie wasn't horrible to me but I don't go crazy for Marvel films so clearly I'm already in the minority
The actual quote from the movie is bullshit, but Brad's memory-mangled "Psychopath is a three letter word that's too big for your head" SHOULD be on T-shirts.
It has three syllables, not words. I don't know if that was on purpose, or if the movie fucked up that much!
The movie quote is "three-syllable". Brad just said it fast and didn't catch his mistake. Plus, the memory-mangled version is funnier.
Oh ok, then, guess I don't remember the trailer that well...
I like how when the capital building blew the fuck up, and Superman looked mildly inconvenienced by everybody around him having died.
Maybe I will just see Zootopia for a third time.
Go see deadpool
+Rasmus Madsen Funny joke, man!
+Rasmus Madsen
That would be a third time too.
Meanwhile at Marvel. "BAH-HA-HA-HA"
+Jack Rose I don't think they care, they are to busy being pissed off at FOX.
Can we all agree that Zod in this movie was awesome? Heh
The third act was completely all about him
I feel like most people are going through a Phantom Menace state with this movie. They're at the stage of denial when they say they think this movie is alright or even good. I'd say give them a good month, year, or half a decade or so before the realization finally sinks in.
the only difference is that critics already hate this movie unlike the phantom menace
+Darrius Cooper I'm getting really sick of this "argument". Yes, it happened with a lot for The Phantom Menace, but that doesn't mean audiences are generally going to have the same reaction with tons of films afterwards. A ton of people were arguing this because others dared to like The Force Awakens as well. Plot twist: some people genuinely enjoy a film for what it is and will continue to do so. Making a cheap prediction that "oh, their opinion will change later!" is a really cheap tactic to disown another person's opinion. Just state what your opinion is and don't try to shortchange others' opinions by acting like you can see into the future.
Honestly, on a related note, I actually enjoy Man of Steel slightly more than I did a few years ago. It also helps that I always found the "Superman accidentally caused so much damage and death!" argument really shaky, and on multiple viewings over time I noticed that the VAST majority of said damage/deaths that weren't caused by Zod, Faora, and co. were actually caused by the American military.
That happend to me after i saw it me and my friends just stood outside and were like was that good and i was just like idk i think so maybe idfk
Actually, TPM is getting a bit of a renaissance now. With how bummed people are at the recent set of SW movies, a lot of people are looking back at the Prequels and saying "this was not as shitty as we thought it was!"
How sad is that?
i think that it would have been funny if the whole reason Batman and Superman were fighting each other is because Superman (for no real reason) had burned down Wayne manor XD
or batman saying to superman " I see you FINALLY found out your underwear goes on the inside of the costume you loser"
Batman's mechanical suit makes him look more like Xanatos from Gargoyles.
+imdb88 im so fucking happy i wasnt the only one who thought that
A gargoyles movie would've been better than this
I am Xanex Toast 😐
I thought man of Steel was okay. I didn't love nor hate it, and I'm in no way passionate about it. I can totally see why some people would love it but at the same time I see the problems others talk about.
This, however, I came out of actively disliking. I had about the same reaction to this as you did Man of Steel, in that I was sitting there stunned at what I was watching. It was so joyless, so convoluted, and just all over the place in terms of narritive, and full of so many baffling and questionable decisions that _could_ work, but DC have yet to earn them and they just ended up blowing their load too early.
There was some things I liked. I thought Affleck was a good Batman, just in a crap movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing him in a good one. I liked Gadot as Wonder Woman in the few scenes she was in and Irons as Alfred, but your absolutely right in that the movie is a complete mess.
+KiraMustDie26 I think this is one of those movies where it's style over substance.
Fun fact, Ben Affleck was also in Mallrats where Kevin Smith dresses in the Bat suit with trench coat and goggles.
Snootch to the motherfuckin' nootch!
+Adam Trammell "Should I call you Logan weapon X?' No, Wolverine. Shnikky, shnikky, shnoink."
bring back Kevin Spacey as Lex
WRONG!
I'd rather have an old ass Clancy Brown.
I think Bryan Cranston would do a better job.
+UncreativeUser182 no he wouldn't have, but a lot of problems would be solved if he was cast instead of fucking Zuckerberg
***** Probably wouldn't have saved the movie, he can at least be threatening.
I'm pretty sure that it is very poorly implied that Alfred was creating the suit for Batman, even though Alfred seems very against the fighting idea and probably wouldn't help him build it anyway?
I mean the only reason I can assume this is because at one point he's talking about the voice not being the problem "it's the damn helmet" or something like that, so he has to be referring to the big ass suit.
Right?
I don't know.
I have a headache.
If you want to spend 2-1/2 hours on a Batman Superman Justice League prequel just watch WB animation's The Batman Superman movie and the one hour pilot to the Justice League cartoon, and you get 20 minutes to spare.
+John Goodrich WB animated superhero movies and shows, blow their live action movies out of the water. hell, their live action superhero shows are better than their movies.
***** at this point its sadly true. I'm really looking forward to Suicide Squad though.
Watch Arrow, they are in that too.
I have, I loved the fight Arrow had with Ra's Al Ghul.
Can we please stop having movies, in which people are saying that Superman is a 'God'.
Yes, Movies aren't allowed to tell the truth.
+TheGotenza What? Hey for me Superman is just Superman, nothing more or less. He is meant to inspire the world, not make people be afraid. He shows us, we can be better in the world. He is Lois Lane's Lover, Lex Luthor's enemy, Jimmy Olsen's pal, Jonathan and Martha Kent's son. He is Clark Kent and not a 'God'.
+Trinidad Botello Agreed, 'Space Jesus' is better.
+Trinidad Botello He's basically immortal and can't be killed by anything on Earth. By human standards he's a god.
+mitrooper he's more based on Moses, just like DBZ Goku
Well Nolan was producer so dreams within dreams should be expected.
Didn't watch any Cinema Snob videos for a few months, I come back and suddenly Brian Lewis has morphed into Brian Blessed. That beard. Holy fuck.
+Filby How is anyone out here besides me supposed to know who Brian Blessed is?
loved those bits where Alfred just talks to himself.
He's just given up and it's GREAT
Is Brad wearing a Heinz ketchup shirt?
I can't be certain, but I think Wayne Manor is in ruins as a half-arsed reference to the Kingdom Come comic series. In that series the house was ruined because it had finally been revealed Bruce Wayne was Batman, and some villains rampaged through the house and Bruce never bothered to rebuild it. He also has the mech-suit, but because he's somewhere around eighty years old it's actually an expensive walker. But I think his secret identity in the movie is still intact so it makes no sense.
I was awaiting the reactions of Brad and Crew, Moviebob, and Red Letter Media more than the movie itself.
I knew this would be a horrific trainwreck, but my god why is Batman killing people? He has no right to complain about anything anymore.
why doesnt this guy show up on nostalgia critic videos anymore?
+Boston Towny4life I'm actually in the newest episode, and I was in the Force Awakens video a few months ago =)
+Boston Towny4life "this guy", lol
+Boston Towny4life i may never say this again, but this guy is not good enough to be in a doug walker video,
and that's saying something
ForNoGoodReason Nice man, real nice....
+ForNoGoodReason Dick move bro...
14:20 Tumbly McF-ckin Facebook... hmm, that's a catchy villain name.
I think the RLM guys nailed it: if Gene Hackman Lex Luthor had a mutant genetic baby with Heath Ledger Joker.. it would be Tumbly McF-ckin Facebook.
Yeah daredevil is a far superior product. And I bet any amount of $$ civil war will destroy this mockery
so far everyone reviewing this movie seems close to tears...
+Amanda Cooper Yep, and for good reason.
This basically is Superman 4 in the last part. I mean, Lex Luthor made a creature with part of his genes in it in the movie right? *points to Nuclear Man from Superman 4*
+JHaru777 lmao, amen.
+JHaru777
Except Nuclear Man didn't carry with him the emnity of millions of screaming fanboys.
True. Although if what I'm hearing of the review is correct, not many fanboys feel joy with this movie. XD
I have so little interest or investment in this movie that even if it were good I wouldn't give a damn, but man, do I always look forward to these discussions and I am EAGERLY awaiting Dave's video! I'll have to tide myself over with the Angry Joe spoiler video next, but there is just something about Dave's comic book movie reviews that is simply fuckin' magical. So looking forward to it!
Keep up the good work, assfaces!
The movie was okay, certainly not as bad as the critics say. The biggest issue with BvS is that it has so much set up for the Justice League movie that everything else in the film gets kind of sidelined. Much like Age of Ultron there are so many characters and things going on that the film can't find a balance to properly showcase everything. Maybe the extended cut will fix that when it comes out on BluRay, we'll see. The many dream sequences were also unnecessary and most of them could of been cut. That being said, the characters were all well acted, the action was excellent, and the final battle with the Trinity against Doomsday was spectacular. But the structure of the film is what lets it down. It doesn't break the film but it doesn't help it either. The film did get me excited for the upcoming Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman films though. Gal Gadot was amazing as Wonder Woman and I can't wait to see her dive more into this character. Ben Affleck playing Batman/Bruce Wayne was very well done; however, I am not a fan of the angry Frank Miller version of Batman who has the propensity to kill his enemies. And Superman's heroic qualities were much better realized in this film. All in all, if you went into this movie wanting to hate it it won't change your mind. I went in with an open mind not having read any reviews and criticisms. The audience seemed to enjoy the film and I did like it in the end. It made me interested in what the other DC movies will bring to the table and peaked my interest in the Justice League movie which, I guess, is the point.
I'm glad you feel the same way as I do, especially about Wonder Woman!
But that is the biggest problem though: This is setting up the Justice League film and yet we have three very jarring issues.
1) How do you do this if you has Superman taking a dirt nap? Yeah, most likely that Superman will just pop out of nowhere like he does when he is "killed," but do you honestly expect that it will be handled well enough? "Hey guys! I finished absorbing the Sun's Rays to cure my case of death, so I'm ready to fight for truth and justice again!"
2) Why should Batman be in the Justice League? As far as I see, this would be like having The Punisher be in the Avengers; you are seriously going to add a guy who openly kills people and say "Well, as long as you promise to stop killing, you can join our group!" You can argue that we haven't seen any redeeming qualities out of this version of Batman that openly says that he should be allowed, and yet we are going to get a fun bullshit excuse to justify everything. Or hey, maybe Bruce Wayne will make a big donation and say, "Let Batman join."
3) You said it yourself: "Much like Age of Ultron there are so many characters and things going on that the film can't find a balance to properly showcase everything." Here's my argument for that: For each crossover film that Marvel has, how much build up movies were made before hand? Quite a bit, right? Well guess how many films between BvS and the Justice League movie that we're going to get if the current "Plan" stays its course?
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one.
And guess who it is? Wonder Woman.
Not to say that Woman Woman is a bad thing since this probably will be the first big thing done with Wonder Woman that I can recall in recent time, but you just introduced her BvS and now you are going to tell us her backstory instead of before the crossover film? Yeah, there is Suicide Squad too, but do you really think that is going to tie in anything with the actual story arc? It might, but let's be honest though, our attention isn't supposed to be on Suicide Squad right? It isn't like anyone in the Suicide Squad is going to join the Justice League at the end (and if they do, then let the backlash continue!). The point is that if you think Age of Ultron had problems with introducing new characters into the plot, I can't imagine the train wreck Justice League will have.
There are o many problems with how DC is approaching the "Movie Universe," that it really is a shame that they didn't plan this out. Say what you will of Marvel/Disney, but they took the time to figure out how they were going to do, and look at where things are for them. DC needs to rethink their plans because they are screwing up left and right if an "OK Film" is the best they can do; especially if this was supposed to be the big crossover between two of their biggest heroes.
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I'm just stating my opinion on the movie. You are welcome to disagree if you want to but I just stated what I thought of the film. I am not here to invalidate someone's opinions or justify them. Nor I am I here to speculate on how WB/DC further develops their movie universe. Is BvS a flawed film? Yes, but I can still enjoy a flawed film. If you didn't enjoy the film then I can't help you with that.
The reason why I used the example
of 'Age of Ultron' (and 'Iron Man 2' suffers from this problem too) is that it did the same kinds of mistakes that BvS did. Too many characters, confusing subplots, strange motivations for the main villain, and choppy editing. 'Age of Ultron is the eleventh film in the MCU yet it made all of those beginners mistakes. The DCCU is just beginning so there is an expectation that it would stumble a little given the fact that they are playing catch up, so I can forgive some its shortfalls.
I have higher expectations of Marvel because they are so far ahead. I am less forgiving of sloppy work from Marvel and just because they are way ahead of their competition doesn't mean I give them a free pass. For example, Ant-Man was good but it felt like an average effort especially when compared to films like Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. Even Brad Jones in his review of 'Ant-Man' pointed out that it felt like an average Marvel movie. Sorry but average and half-hearted efforts on Marvel's part don't impress me anymore. Like Pixar, Marvel has set the bar for comic book movie adaptations and I expect them to live up to that standard. But also like Pixar they seem to drift into formulaic storytelling from time to time which they shouldn't be doing.
BlueHooloovoo Well said. Trust me, I'm not too concerned about trying to "change opinions" myself, and you raise valid points too. If anything else, I enjoy having discussions with people.
mas8705
Same here, thank you for understanding.
Batman VS Superman: Dawn of Justice was between good and alright.
I would really love to see a discussion between you and Angry Joe. Not because you would fight, but because you guys are pretty good to each other and I would love to see a friendly discussion on this.
Angry Joe is not a good film critic, though, so trust me, it wouldn't be much of a conversation, lol.
left shaking my head, at least I bought a zootopia ticket to sneak in
Wait until the DC apologists for this film find out that in the next movie Zak Snyder is going to reveal The Joker's Mom name is Martha also
I'd be more interested if the Joker's name were Martha.
I'm actually thankful for all the hate. All the hate had me lower my expectations so much, that it was better than expected. Problem is, you really have to know many different story arcs and versions of Batman and Superman from the comics to accept the insane choices made in this movie, but I feel most people don't. The desert scene implies that Lane died (which has nothing to do about the movie, because there the conflict is, that Martha might die) and made Superman a villian in a world ruled by Darkseid (the symbol on the ground) and his minions (the flying creatures). It's basically a reference to another comic, and a preview for the following movies, because Luthor announces the arrival of Darkseid.
Luthors plan to create Doomsday was really dumb btw, because it's something he got no control over. but I've got a fun theory: Luthor was obviously told of Darkseid when he acquired the kryptonian knowledge. What if he just created Darkseid as a test for Superman and as something to make them consider to unite and create the Justice League, to be prepared for Darkseid?! Would be kinda awesome, Luthor would not only be more intelligent than it seems in this movie, but kinda an anti-hero.
+MforZorro | Movesets I think Snyder came out and said it's not referring to darkseid
Tenebyss Wow, he even dropped that ball.
+MforZorro | Movesets I took that entire dream sequence as a teaser for Flashpoint.
MforMovesets All that doesn't change how dumb and contrived the movie was, how boring it was and how no one has an arc. Not to mention all the waste-of-time subplots that never pay off. It was garbage whether you know all the billion incarnation of bats and supes or not.
This movie was an attempt to perform what Marvel did in three set up movies and cap stone movie. I would agree with the idea that this is a cliffnotes version of several movies. Or the catch-up of a seasons worth or episodes.
+Tantrill Holy shit you said my thoughts exactly. I didn't despise the movie, but god they spent half the movie trying to set up Justice League, and Lex...what can I say about him that hasn't been said before. Jesse's goof, but this isn't his character. And what is it with the movie making Superman to be this messiah-like character?
I saw it today and just walked out confused as all hell. Is Gotham across the river from Metropolis now? Do certain characters have ESP and convey situations to each other telepathically? Why does Batman go into PTSD mode when he hears his mom's name still, 30 years after the fact?
Ooh, let's get ready for some more hate mail and death threats!!!
+Liam Romano Get your DC/Snyder/Nolan fanboy bingo cards ready.
+docdave15 more like edgelords are going to send death threats
+Liam Romano They said they didn't hate it and they respect the people who like it.
Genin99 Yeah, but some people in the fandom have a hard time processing those quotes or just blatantly ignore it.
honestly both sides have seemed pretty obnoxious. that's just how the internet is sadly.
I am relating so hard to you guys right now. Things probably were answered but I was SO CHECKED OUT. After one hour I was ready to leave, like I could've left the movie theater with no yearning to see the ending at all.
I guess my hope of an actual good Green Lantern movie is fading. I wish they could do the stories like the Justice League animated series.
+Dan M. I'm still trying to be optimistic about anything that isn't strictly done by Synder, but who knows. It's easy to place the blame squarely on him, but it feels like WB/DC is pushing this vision too.
honestly I'm just hoping for a 2-3 part blackest night movie one day
Green Lantern was more focused
Affleck did a good job. I feel vindicated.
The movie was a mishmash of unrelated story elements crammed together. I feel vindicated.
Thanks guys.
On Silver Age maps Smallville, Midvale (where Supergirl grew up), Metropolis and Gotham were all in a line right next to each other.
Island of the coast? That would be Stryker's Island or Blackgate depending on which city it was adjacent to.
When did Batman change outfits between fighting Superman and going to save Martha Kent? Why would he even bother given the time sensitive nature of it? You mean that idiot kidnapper was still using the same phone, and that's how they were able to track him? In fact, how were Lois and Bruce able to confirm it was the same guy. Which reminds me, that it even was the same guy was plot convenience theatre.
I also have this image in my head of Bruce flirting with some woman, then breaking down into an incoherent mess when she says her name is Martha.
When I saw this movie last night there were a lot of teenage boys in the theater and when Wonder Woman appeared ever body cheered and when the movie was over everybody gave a standing ovation. I thought the movie was okay and Ben Afflack did a good job as Batman.
I think I've identified the problem with Superman in these. The filmmakers think he's supposed to be Wolverine.
Man of Steel, bub.
The Jesus things been part of Superman before. The moody, "I don't know if I should be a hero or a worker in the Arctic" seemed inspired by the Wolverine movies to me.
The Jesus paraphernalia was too strong, theres just so many things crammed here.
During the entire movie my mom and I kept asking each other "What is going on?" and "I am so confused" lol
Night of the Batwisters sounds like a bad porno that Brad would review.
"Where does Bruce Wayne live?"
I got the impression he lives in that lake house where all the walls are windows, so the neighbors can watch him sleep.
So possibly he is an exhibitionist.
You guys are so chill. I like that.
Doom made me furious in fant4stic for bad character adaptation. Eisenberg in this just made me cringe. Like the whole time i was just like "what are you doing right now?" Honestly like the worst villain preformance of a comic book movie i can think of
I am dying to see Dave's review of this stinker. If he ends up burning the theater down out of spite, I wouldn't hold it against him.
"I would rather watch a bad movie that's entertaining than a "good movie" that's boring " Spot fucking on!
Hey Brad you will love this. The trailer for 'God's Not Dead 2' played before this movie, and it was the last trailer. It was kinda awkward, seeing it before the movie.
In my opinion, Batman vs Superman made Batman and Robin seem like the better movie in comparison.
+Ashton Goodnough Yeah, B&R was at least entertainingly bad and more cohesive than this
Jesse Eisenberg was playing Rip Taylor...errr I mean Lex Luther..... oh sorry Lex JR. If you go back and watch it again watch a video of Rip Taylor and tell me they don't sound the same, just Rip is much older and actually funny to listen to.
+Liowen no, Jesse Eisenberg was playing Rip Hunter
Jimmy Olsen was shot in the head in this movie. Jimmy Olsen was Superman's biggest fan and supporter and that should tell you all you need to know about Zack Snyder and BVS.
Man, I CAN NOT WAIT FOR DAVE'S REVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent review. Man of Steel and BvS are abominations upon the human soul.
Apparently you can become best friends with someone you were trying to kill 5 minutes earlier if your mothers have the same name.. That was the worst part of this film.
Martha Stewart must trigger Bruce Wayne hard whenever he sees her
it was deeper than that. many times batman said "if only I was faster stronger etc" hr blamed himself. So two things 1 batman saw it as a chance to save his mom and get some redemption and 2 in the face of death superman pleaded for his moms life not his own, Batman realized he was a man with a mom not some superhuman with a god complex and therefore immediately regretted his actions and tried to redeem himself by helping supes. this is perfectly in line with comic Batman.
+mbreezy223 You are adding things that were not in the film, which is... something. The film as written was completely lacking in motivations for most of the main characters, so it would make sense that you add your own for them. With that said, the ONLY reason Superman said "I need to save Martha," and not "I need to save my mom," is so that Batman would realize that their moms have the same names. That's shitty writing.
+MasterFhyl I'm not the only fan who thought this. Not everything should be spelled out for us. We knew who these characters were coming into the film we were already aware of their trauma. Zach held nobodies hand with this film. Not only that if you paid attention they show how much he regretted his parents death throughout. We live in a generation of morons where everyone needs every detail explained through exposition. But this movie made you think and if you didn't know the characters prior then of course you'd think that. Anybody who understood the movie even halfway knew why batman stopped. The writing was on point.
+MasterFhyl And no, up until that point batman didn't know he had a earth mom. Or feelings for her in general. He said Martha so batman would figure it was a human woman, the names were purely coincidental. However when Lois yelled that's his mother it hit him he was just a man trying to save his mom. However I will say Lois sucked eggs in the film. Aside from that you're supposed to look beneath the surface and ask yourself what would make Batman stop, why did superman say that etc again anyone familiar with the source material drew the same conclusions I did its all over the internet I'm sure there is probably a website dedicated to that scene alone lol. Instead of writing it off like the few understand what that scene really meant cause it was definitely a turning point and the reason batman said he failed Superman at the end.
Hey man, glad you're out doing stuff. Keep at it
Great breakdown of the shitshow, guys! One small bit to Brian: regarding Metropolis being in Delaware (If I think we're talking about the same map), whoever drew up that layout didn't know that it would be smack dab between beach resort towns and straight farmland. Useless trivia!
So apparently DC really has no intention of doing anything marvel-like because SPOILER there's no post credit or end credits scene.... And even Green Lantern had an end credit scene :-/
+The original MRjguill um, I think that's kind of the point?
+The original MRjguill um, I think that's kind of the point?
mrwarped well goodie for them but they still stuck.
I am going to quote what Doug Walker said about the Batman and Robin movie.''Think of all the money we could have given to hungry people except for this movie''(something like that).I just came back from the movies and i was dissapointed with this disaster.
+Πληγωμένος Πρίγκιπας I thought that was the Barb Wire movie.
He also said that in Barb Wire.Thanks for reminding it to me.
Did you guys end up seeing extended edition?
Oh man am I looking forward to Dave's review!