How To Use B I N Shellac Primer
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2020
- I don't know if this has happened to any of you, but I can't tell you how many times I've primed, then painted - only to still see some bleed-through showing. Or worse yet. I primed and painted. Everything looked perfect. Then I top coated only to see nasty stains bleeding through. After putting in all the work, it's SO frustrating to have to back peddle to cover what should have been blocked in the first place.
For those of you who know me, you know I'm thrifty. But if I know a product over-delivers, and saves me a ton of time, I don't mind paying a little extra. In my humble opinion, B-I-N Shellac Based Primer is the fastest and best stain-blocking primer that gives me a visual along with the confidence to paint without worry.
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Wow switching to a foam roller changed everything for me. I did all the baseboards in the house with a paint brush. Now moving on to windows and doors and door frames. Good call on the $ store basically need to use a new roller for second coat. Not interested in wrapping it up in fridge like some people do. Thanks again for the foam roller tip. Made my life so much easier
Just did my first project using this primer and your tips. Thank you so much! The coverage is unreal.
I'm so happy you found this helpful and it worked amazing for you! Thanks for sharing! :)
I used this for painting my exposed wood rafters white.
Used a water-based first, and was heavily bleeding through straight away.
Tried an oil based pigmented sealer, and even that bled through.
Found this stuff, and it is great.
I like its thin consistency, it dries almost shiny, like plastic, and covered the bleed 1st coat 100%.
Other than the strong smell it is a dream primer
Thank You for that info. I had a lot of bleed thru and had no idea what to do!!
BIN is my FAVORITE!!!!! Love the disposable ideas!! 💝
Thanks so much. Great tutorial. I'm wanting to paint my 1950s pine kitchen cabinets. My father in law and his brother built the house and cabinets.
Im a painter and wow two coats a must.thnks for reminder
Thank you! After first making a big mess with a brush, I decided to look it up on youtube and then I hit the jackpot. Second coat was a breeze!
I'm so glad! :)
I wish I had watched your video "before" I used this primer! I poured it out!!! Ok sub optimal. Liked how well it covered and I used a roller. Was unprepared for how runny it was but now after watching your great tutorial I know how to apply my second coat and how to remain unpainted myself! Thanks for taking the time to post the video 🙂
Thank you Julia... I'm so glad it was helpful! :)
Never thought I’d enjoy seeing wood grain covered in paint. I’ve never seen b I n shellac primer. I’ve retired from wood working for quite a while now. You’ve inspired me to try refurbishing furniture as a hobby once again using your techniques. I hope I do as well as you in creating wonderfull pieces.
I'm so glad it's sparked an interest Tom! A little disclaimer... it's addictive! 😊
Did it smooth and cover the wood grain or does it still show through?
I just started using this product and I love it thank you for your video I will try rolling around with the foam roller next time
thanks so so much for all your input!! i have a few major projects that id like to give a facelift to and im trying to learn all the tricks and how to.
This video was soooo helpful, thank you!
Awesome video. I've used this stuff on cabinets and found your video when trying to find better ways to apply it. It's so viscous that I have been making big messes, your demonstration is just what the doctor ordered.
Glad it was helpful!
My mind is blown! You’ve just solved every problem I have with BIN! Thank you!
Oh I’m so glad!!! 🙂
Thanks for sharing, I just left the comment.Look forward to hear from you.Bye for now God bless, Can you clean this up with Lacquer Thiner ?
Bye for now, Ken
Fantastic concise tutorial. Thanks!
Thank you!
Thankyou so much for your tutorial it has been so helpful❤️
Thank you so much for this. You made the process so much easier. Now, I can do my repainting and have less of a hassle.
You are so welcome!
Thank you! Appreciate the step by step!
Thanks for a great video Denise.
thank YOU for watching! :)
Bin saved my life!
Thanks, this tutorial was very helpful, especially the part about using disposable supplies. Clean up is such a pain and I hate working with brush cleaners, they give me a headache. This BIN stuff works great on laminate surfaces too!
Shellac dissolves in alcohol / meths. Which isn't that expensive but it's easier to clean with than white spirit after using alkyd paints.
I used equal parts household ammonia and water and let my brushes sit in it. Worked great!
I used the BIN for the first time on a table and absolutely hated it. Very hard to use with a brush and had to throw away my purdy brush 😩 . I have to put a 3rd coat and so glad I found your video. Going to Home Depot to buy the roller thanks!!!!!!!!🥳😎
My sister said the EXACT same thing the first time she tried it Jackie! If you follow the tips in the video, you'll start loving it just like she did. Promise! 😉
💐Thank you for your tutorial, I used B.I.N today (I wore gloves and a mask) using a cheap disposable brush and found it a bit sticky and very fast drying. I will in future use cheap rollers.
I find I have a few quite thick areas and some thinner. I guess this will all come good during sanding.
Thanks again from Australia 🇦🇺
So happy you found this helpful. :)
Thank you. Love the 'throw away' ideas, saves a lot of time. I use the 4" rollers for doors and used it on the cabinets, but tried foam brushes for the drawer fronts - oops, just not the same. AND, I'll definitely be the paper plates from now on. $.01 vs $1.00 for a disposable tray liner.
This product is superb! Nuff said!....Painted an entire room in the stuff due to various historic staining (water and aged woodwork paint. Walls / woodwork, it covered the lot 👍🏽🥳
Things to take in mind and as raised by many already is how runny this stuff is ....do your best to avoid drips. I also use cheap brushes and rollers and BIN 😉 them afterwards.
I did try Zissner 123 too, which although very good, was no match for BIN'S stain covering prowess, especially on varnished / stained wood. Didn’t even have to use knotting solution 👍🏽🥳
I agree! 👍😊 stain coverage is amazing!
Sooooo very helpful!!! I hate cleaning my brushes and rollers and you have just confirmed to me that it is ok to toss out. Thanks!!
I feel the exact same Wendy! Glad it was helpful. 😄🥰
Great video! Thanks for such great instructions!
Thanks for watching. :)
Thank you for this! So helpful and to the point!
Thanks Bernadette! :)
Great video! I'm retired after 50 years in the trade. You cover the abc of pigmented shellac and make a video that Zinsser should pay for. Your application methods are brilliant, especially since you can't buy shellac thinner here in CA to clean tools (ammonia just doesn't cut it). Well done!
This is such a HUGE compliment coming from you Harold! Thank you so much and Happy New Year to you and yours. :)
Cleans easily with methylated spirits
Pure Ethanol (95.6%) does the trick
@@ImpostorModanica
Where you buy that ?
@@stevenmorris2293 Amazon
Thanks for this excellent primer on how to use B-I-N shellac. (fun pun) I just completed my first true woodworking project - a small wall shelf. It came out great but the poplar I used (was given in the class) would not have looked great if I finished it. I will follow your steps to a T.
Thxs for staring I’m looking to redo my oak cabinets
I would like to add a tip as well.I have been using this product for years, especially on furniture. You mention having to use solvents for clean up.I also use inexpensive brushes from the dollar store, however, rather than having to throw away the brushes or use Mineral spirits or thinner, I have found, taking a clean, tin can, you can add about 2or 3 inches of amonia( also from dollar store and several tablespoons of dawn dish detergent, you can clean the brush with this mixture and rinse with water. You may have to repeat with the dawn/ammonia mixture one or two times, but it will save your brushes for future use after it dries.Of course, do this outside or well vented area as the ammonia is VERY stinky.
Love this Denise... thank you!
Love your suggestions. This primer is the best for bkeedthrough coverage. I’m taking several pieces from a very dark finish to white and don’t want to take any chances. Working in 22% humidity it dries so fast I am thinking of using an extender. Also you are wise to use a white paper plate. I used one with a pattern and the dye came out and mixed with the paint after a while 😮. Lesson learned.
Thanks for sharing this Christy! I didn't even think about the dyes from patterned plates!!! Great tip!!
Wonderful video, thank you!
Great video I agree bin primer is the best!
Thanks Denise! I glad there's a product that I can get at my local lowes. Love your newsletter, hope you do more videos.
Thanks so much, Tova! 😊
Great video. Thanks for the great detail. For a larger dresser, would this product be good applied using a paint sprayer.
Thanks for the video and the great tips
I guess I would use dollar store brushes with the shellac also..But I use Woister for everything. And you definitely don't want to screw up a Wooster brush. Especially the short cut brush. I totally understand where you're this. Thx.
Thank you so much for posting this. I thought I had done all my homework before tackling an oak door that I had to paint white. This door was stained and the first coat of BIN looked awful. I really thought I had messed up. I stopped and found your video. I repeated and worked faster, it really dries fast. I did have to do 3 coats but it was so worth it. It turned out absolutely beautiful. I almost think it turned out so well, I am debating whether or not to paint it. Again, you were a calm in my storm, lol!
I'm SO happy your door turned out Ada! :)
How long did you wait between the coats?, how are the cabinets holding up? Thanks in advance.
Great tips before I didn't know what the heck primer is!! now I do know now.
So glad it was helpful!
This video has saved me. I chalked painted my furniture and once I top coated it I had lots of bleed through. Do you recommend two coats of the primer or just one since Chalk paint has been applied already ?
Very useful just about to do kitchen cabinets thank you
I hope your cabinets turned out amazing!
Great informative video!!
I cant wait to use this product on my Dining Table!
On a side-note, your hair looks great!! Style and Color!👍🏼
Thank you! 😊
That stuff is so much better than their newer "Advance" version.
Good job 👏. Thx 🙏🏼
Thank you too! :)
Thanks for the video. My living room wall is like the wall behind you, mildly ripped paper. Can I use this primer directly on the wall before painting? Do I need two coats?
*I just spoke with Sherwin Williams:* And they told me about this primer which brought me Here! Although here in california you have to clean up with ammonia,
*... Kills Original Paint Primer* And you can clean up with either *Paint Thiner or Lacker Thiner:* And if you're gonna paint your walls like you're doing cabinet tree you can paint your walls with this primer also.
Thanks for sharing.I look forward to hear from you bye for now Ken
Great, thanks
Glad you liked it!
I use a ladle to scoop paint. I put a paper plate underneath as I transfer it to my pan. I just wipe it out and let it dry.
A ladle...brilliant Jerry! 😃
Thank you for your video! I’m about to use this product for the first time on a pine kitchen table. Was just planning on using a brush, but I think I will get my rollers out and do the easy cleanup setup that you did. Super helpful! ❤️🙌
I'm so happy you found this helpful. Have fun with your kitchen table!
my favorite way of applying pigmented shellac is HVLP spray. thinning 10% with alcohol, light sanding with 320 and I'm read to top coat. the down side is cleaning the spray gun, immediately after use.
What percent alcohol? Rubbing or 70%, or? Thank you in advance.
i keep a bucket of denatured alcohol and keep my brush in it when not using it. just smack it back and forth on the edge of something to get most of the alcohol off of it and then use it. drop it back in the bucket in between uses. this will keep the brush from ever being sticky. i just leave my brush in there when not in use. my bucket is metal and has a lid that seals. i threw some magnets along the edge. the ferrule on my brushes are magnetic so the magnets hold my brushes upright so just the bristles and part of the ferrule are in the alcohol.
Can you spray this? Or will thinning it not provide coverage? I sprayed Kilz stain blocker, sealer and primer and I have a lot of bleed through on cherry cabinets. Should I roll a coat of BIN over the Kilz?
Did you sand the night stands before priming? I have kitchen cupboards that I would love to paint. I have a double wide and so only the framing visceral wood. The doors are "fake" with some sort of vinyl (?) or fake wood paper coating that I'm thinking might need lightly sanded beforehand. Thoughts or suggestions?
Thank you for this video. What kind of roller do you use? Foam?
Great video thank you so much x
Thanks... Glad it helped. :)
Thanks you video was helpful, can IPN primer be used as the finish Coat of Paint? I liked the finish so much I didn’t want to paint over it 😢
Excellent
Thank you so much 😀
Thank you so much for sharing I have a huge project ahead of me
Good luck Dede... I hope your project turns out FABULOUS!
My dad house is over 50 yrs and I never thought to use Primer, Behr paint has primer added. But not a sealant like you have explained, 😀
Thank you
Every time I even take out the Zinzer BIN. I come to your channel to remind myself of the rules. ! Thank you.
So glad you’re finding this helpful Anya! 🤗
Lol. Here I am again !! 😂😂😂
Think you
what paint do you use for kitchen cabinets ?
After mould removal I applied 123 to ceiling and then two coats of perms White but instead of a nice satin White finish the 123 shows through as grey. Should I keep applying more perma White coat after coat or have you an alternative ?
I used a roller with that stuff and it caused all the fuzzies to come off the roller into what I was painting. The primer dries so fast that it gets sticky which is what pulls the hairs out. The roller worked perfectly well with my normal paint, but not the primer.
A high density foam roller is needed. The fuzzy ones will leave residue when using shellac.
how long do you need to wait before sanding 2nd coat of shellac primer?
What wax sealer would you recommend from the Home Depot?
What do u use after you paint? Any top coats?
Dixie cup! brilliant. Doing this today. :-)
So glad! Hope it's helpful!
Thank you! I am super grateful for the info about this product. Do you find any differences using the Clear bin shellac as opposed to the White bin shellac? just curious. Also, that little work chair is cool!! Is it a harbor freight item? Amazon?
Hi Nina! I haven't used the clear BIN because I like that the white actually"shows" me when the bleedthrough is 100% covered. I usually use a DB or Kilz clear primer if I want wood to peek through. And yes, you can get these rolling work stools on amazon amzn.to/2vDvo14 :)
This video is so helpful. Thank you! How long should I wait after applying 2 coats of BIN primer before painting?
Being spirit based, it will dry very fast, you should be able to recoat with top coat within 2 hours.
I was looking for this answer .... do I really need to wait 24 hours?
@@marcipfeifer1409 8 hours is enough.
So I have a peice 4 coats shellac tannis still showing, any suggestions
Have you ever accidentally put too much primer when you first started using this? I bought some after watching your video. Not sure if I applied too much. If so I should be able to sand it and then apply a second coat?
I typically spray with HVLP sprayer. This product is THIN!!!! So, no dilution is necessary.
The solvent in this primer (BIN) is denatured alcohol. Clean up is quick and easy with 1:1 ammonia and water. After I soak my tools, brushes, rollers, etc. for a few minutes, I rinse with water. Quick and easy!!!
Thanks for this Marty! I use an HVLP sprayer as well but only for my water-based paints as I had a heck of a time cleaning my sprayer when I used this primer. With these tips, I may give my sprayer another try with BIN Shellac Primer.Thank you!
Thank you so much for all the great tips! I’m repurposing some of my old furniture for my niece’s first apartment and this is so helpful!! 😊
Hi
What would you recommend as a good topcoat for a bathroom cabinets. Great video, 👍 Thanks
I loved Dixie Belle's Gator Hide for high traffic areas because it is water repellent .. not just water-resistant like most but I think they are out of stock. :( So General Finishes High Performance, Varathane Topcoat or Minwax's Polycrylic are fabulous and would be my go-to's.
Hi, thank you for the video 😊 I have a few questions, if you dont mind :
- if I accidently splash some primer on my furniture ( where there shouldnt be primer), how do I get it off?
- and lets say I need to prime mahogany that has a glossy finish on it, do I need to sand my piece beforehand? And if so, will a light sanding be sufficient?
I cant use a sander. Afterwards, I will be painting my piece with chalk paint.
And I will sell it. Just want to ensure that the paint and primer will really adhere, that I wont be able to scratch it off with my nail...
Thx a bunch 😊
Hey, great video. I'm going to use this product to prime some new drywall in an outdoor garden room. Here is my proposed timetable, id be grateful if you could let me know if I'm doing it right? Thanks!
- lightly sand drywall compound
- Add first coat of BIN. Use rollers for main parts of wall, and paintbrush for edges
- wait 30 mins
- apply second coat like 1st coat
- wait 2 hours
- lightly sand with 220 grit paper
- start painting! (All emulsion water based paints)
You're a pro! :) The only thing I would be mindful of is the dry times. If you are in a hot humid space, it may take a little longer.
Did you grain fill before you applied the primer??
Thanks so much for posting this video! I have been struggling trying to paint with a white chalk synthesis paint. I used a clear primer that was supposed to be stain blocker, but it didn't work and was hard to apply. I decided to try the bin in the spray version, but it was very messy and hard to control. It did give much better coverage than without a primer or the other clear primer, but I'm thinking of trying the one you used. I bought a roller like yours, but I couldn't find one small enough to get into the x on the sides of my tv stand. I am afraid to mess it up with a brush, but wondered if I should just try it or look for a smaller roller?
I find the smaller rollers really easy and they can get into the smaller grooves when I use the tip. that said, I do use a brush to get into corners as well. Using both a brush and roller works great so maybe try using what you have before trying a smaller one. :)
Can I use a wood stain on top of the primer?
Thank you for an extremely helpful video. Do you think BIN primer would help cover fine lines in door and window trim? I have sanded and primed with a standard trim primer, but the lines show through the primer.
Thanks and my pleasure. I'm not sure I'm understanding what type of "fine lines". If it is bleed through or stains then yes! If your trim primer is not covering the fine lines (cracks) then this BIN Shellac Based primer won't either. Hope this helps.
@@SalvagedInspirations thanks!!
Thank you for the video. You did a fantastic job explaining proper application. After the light sanding are you able to successfully apply water base products to it? I’m trying to paint over a pine tongue and groove ceiling that has two coats of shellac on it already.
Yes! I use water-based products over BIN Shellac Based Primer all the time. :)
Do you think this would work for a shiny surface? I want to paint an idea Kallax Unit but it is a high gloss turquoise. I’ve been told that since the paint is shiny, any paint over it would peel off. Would this primer solve the issue? I’ve never painted furniture before and definitely not on a shiny surface either
Lightly sand it first and use a foam roller.job done.i used it for wardrobes .worked great.
What is the difference between BIN shellac primer and BIN Advanced synthetic primer?
Hey thanks for the video how long exactly do you wait for it to dry before sanding ? Thank you!
It dries within 45 minutes so I can give it a super light sanding to knock anything down after an hour
I sooo wish I would have seen this video before I used this primer, I never tape off mirrors with any products I use, however with this product I will DEFINITELY be taping off mirrors from now on it’s absolutely a nightmare to remove, I used a roller to apply it and it worked really well, I made the mistake of using a good brush (won’t do that again) this is seriously the fastest drying best working primer I have ever used, I don’t know why I waited so long to try it. The main reason I tried it is because I got bleed through after my topcoat and honestly it didn’t happen for almost a full week, the client was on vacation (thank God) so couldn’t pick up their pieces immediately, I was unwrapping my packing blankets to prepare the pieces for travel and that’s when I saw the bleed through. I will never use another primer again.
I hear you and agree. This BIN Shellac primer is awesome. :)
U can easily clean with alcohol.
Thank you so much for this great tutorial! Have you ever tinted the Zinsser BIN for use under a dark paint? If so, what did you use?
I'm so happy you found this helpful SunnyDay! And no. I've never tinted BIN so I couldn't say. If anyone reading this has, feel free to chime in cuz I'd love to learn as well. :)
Yes I have. I bought a gallon of BIN Shellac from Home Depot and had them tint it to the color I was painting the piece in.
@@cleoburrows thank you.
@@cleoburrows Good to know! Thanks for this Cleo!!!
Just found your channel while searching for help using this primer. Working on my first piece, a small antique side table with small spindle legs(probably not the best choice for a first timer 😂). The top of the table is fine, I used the foam roller there, but I’m having a heck of a time with the legs.I’ve used foam sponges, a cheap chip brush and a $7 valspar brush, applying 2 coats and sanding in between. I did scuff sand the legs before beginning. I just spent about 2 hours sanding out all the brush strokes. I need another coat as it looks like a distressed table right now but don’t want to have to spend another two hours sanding. Any suggestions?
Why are you trying to get the brush strokes out when your just going to paint over the primer?
Has anyone used this with an airless sprayer? Seems plenty thin enough to use it that way and may make larger projects go faster and get an even coat into all the seems. I'm planning to re-do my golden oak kitchen.
Hello! Thank you for this video, love how you make it easy clean up. Quick question, is the shellac primer oil based? If so, can I still paint on top of it with water based paints? Cheers 😀
Hi Maria, yes you can paint over it with water based paints, latex, mineral paint, chalk paint etc.
Can u use this on water based primer as we messed up out oak caninet door .. now trying to fix it
You sure can. I would give the waterbased primer scruff sand prior to applying and then prime with B-I-N.
Great video! I’m about to tackle my kitchen cabinets. Some doors are super greasy and I can’t get it all out even after sanding through almost bare wood. Can this block any grease spots?
I would try cleaning with TSP or degreaser. Rinse. Then use BIN Primer. This should adhere perfectly.
@@SalvagedInspirations … I found some tsp, will try it, thank you for the quick reply!
Can I use this to prime then paint over with black?
Hi any tips, I primed loads of skirting board with BIN. Problem is there is a strong smell. Catches my throat, still pretty strong even after 2 top coats. Any ideas to neutralise the smell?
Hi Patrick I’m wondering if maybe they weren’t allowed to dry completely? Just a thought
I painted a table a year ago used shellac and waterbased paint but marks have seeped through can I put BIN over this to repainted again? Thanks 😊
Yes! If it were my table and it was done a year ago, I would take a 120 grit and give it a really quick scuff sand before applying the BIN Shellac Based Primer. 😊
I just used this on my fireplace mantle and then read that it might be flammable? Any advice? Thank you!!! Also - I loved your video. I should have watched it first!
It's flammable in liquid and vapor form but I'm not sure once it's dry Ann. I would suggest contacting the manufacturer to ask. Or if anyone reading this comment has any insight feel free to chime in! TIA
Great video
I want to use chalk paint to paint some old dining chairs, but I've read that bleed though may be a problem.
I used Zinnser Cover Stain a couple of years ago and found it quite tricky to paint with, being quite a thick paint. It did seem to do the job though. I think I gave the tin to somebody, so will need to buy more primer.
Should I stick with the Cover Stain, or would it be maybe better to try the Zinnser BIN primer.
However, would a single coat of the BIN be enough to prevent any bleeding ... just asking as I understand that sometimes a second coat of BIN will weaken the first coat if more than one application is made.
Regards from the UK
Hi Brian! I apply 2 coats of BIN Shellac Primer and I've never had an issue with the BIN weakening the first coat. If you weren't happy with the Cover Stain, I wouldn't hesitate to try a new product. :)
@@SalvagedInspirations many thanks .. I'll give the BIN a try