Total War: Shogun 2- How to Attack
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2024
- Thanks to mvendi86 for suggesting this. This is taken live during a battle from beginning to end and shows the movements, control groups, formations, etc. that I use during battle. I didn't quite say this too well, so I'll say it here: to get your guys moving into the charge, click and drag on a point directly behind or in front of their line, adjusting the width to be about as wide as their line, to get them running towards the enemy in an orderly fashion then individually order units to attack, but only just enough to hold down their infantry line. Save the rest for reserves to deal with developments. It's in singleplayer so I could pause and comment and stuff, but look for live online replays coming in the future!
Man, I must have been playing too much Shogun, at a couple points while watching this I instinctively tried moving the camera of the video with WASD.
Rex Manning Day LOL I did that with an Empire Total War video
dont go fullscreen, it will absorb you...
This is a perfect example of a quick, concise, and complete tutorial on how to not suck at a strategy game. I love this kind of quick-and-dirty, straight-to-the-point, down-to-Earth, attitude for a how-to guide.
You are amazing, sir; a scholar and a gentleman. I have like, favorited, and subscribed.
PLEASE MAKE THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS FOR TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER!!!
Nine years later but this video is still super helpful. Shogun 3 when Creative Assembly
Use Darthmod with AUM-SHO (Additional Unit mod) and U get your shogun 3. Better AI , New Designs, improved Diplomacy ,etc.
In campaign mode (Single-Player) I usually try to win without much of a fight.
Gaining the advantage before the battle is the best strategy.
I rarely have big difficult battles, since I usually have at least two Generals ready to intercept the enemy army coming my way.
Try Legendary. They shit out so many bows and spears in a couple of turns, it's insane. They also have lower upkeep than you etc.
okay, this is probably the best and clearest advice anyone has evern given me in total war games, please do Rome 2 advice, especially online in rome 2 is big
I like this game, but no matter what i do, it feels like it doesn't work because everyone still dies anyway.
Spooky Deadeye yea I have that problem as well...
Just keep on playing man Ive spent like 2 years playing on and off and I still couldnt manage to complete my first campain on NORMAL, playing as Chosokabe. watch a few vids on youtube and you'll get there. I just finished the campaing finally, I'm starting to get the hang of battle management and more importantly how to manage the provinces and diplomatcy. And it feels amazing and im off trying on hard mode soon :)
@Gerry Buckets Well first thing I took over the little Island you start with as Chosokabe. Take the trade nodes to the west, make friends withe the closest ones so they dont just attack you and then take the Island to the west. After that you can chill a little and start upgrading farms and such so you get nice income and start building up your big army, I had 2 fulled stacked armies in the western Island and 2 in my own. I started by going in closer to kyoto with only 1 fully stacked just to get a foothold and kept the other army home. With other 2 on the western Island, just start plowing through killing everyhting in your path until your just outside of Kyoto borders. By then you should have build some defence with 2 groups of navy one to the north and south to keep you clean from all the harassment from others.
Well the three strongest powers have declared war on me and I don’t know how I remove the negative relations. My ally was very strong but got gang banged from my enemies and know is crumbling. I first was ok in battles but only in small ones and know I’m late game and I nearly lost to an army little more than half the size of mine :( (this is my first campaign) I have the game since two days and have about 11-12 provinces and my 2 of my enemies are allies and together they have over 30 provinces I’m so screwed I managed to conquer some castel that were unprotected but the main army just takes them back and my new provinces dislike me so I have to either don’t tax them or I have to use some of my few troops in the garrison and I NEED those troops can anyone help ? Some tips ?
@@Ch-ew9tm just take it slow when you're expanding man, a newly taken enemy territory has a Resistance to invader penalty to the town's order, you can see it when you press the town's name in the bottom left corner, which can take 5-6 turns to gradually deplete. If you're in a pinch with -1 or -2 to order without it going to increase or decrease then just recruit 1 or 2 units in that town. Order can also decrease if that land has a different religion to yours, in which case you have to build a religious building ( e.g: Buddhist Temple if you're a buddist, Chappel if you're a christian) to convert them, having a religious agent standing in that land can also help to convert it faster. You can even put an agent into the town to increase the order (e.g: a monk or missionary can increase happiness in a town). Buildings like sake den and buddhist temple (or chappel) can also provide happiness to the province. Lastly, investing in the way of chi arts provide some solid bonus nation wide (e.g: Zen gives you +1 happiness nation wide, Tea ceremony gives your daimyo +1 honour which is beneficial since having high honour makes your people happy, your general loyal and better relation to other clans.)
Great video man!! We explained and detailed. Best part, I enjoyed the excitement in your voice as the front lines drew close. It actually made me laugh but in a good way. Anyways, I subscribed and I'm looking forward to more content from you
now all i need to know is how to protec
chec my channel to know how to protec. but most important, respec
oh hec i didnt chec thanks for all the help.much respec
oh hec i did not chec i will now.Much respec
@@fishsandwichpatrol instant subscib
Yari wall, missiles behind em and cavalry and infantry at flanks this works almost 100% of the time
i learned more in this than every other 30 minute guide i've seen
I appreciate that! Good luck to you!
That's masterfully played....I really really like your placement formation on this battle
Great video - you know your stuff. Like the speed with which you work your mouse and move the units. That's critically vital. Thanks, very much.
Thanks for doing this video!! It was kind of ironic you covered the topic of friendly fire. I was watching a Shogun 2 video by someone else, and he actually got so paranoid about it that he stops his archers from firing altogether, but 1 out of 10 is not a bad trade off at all. I look forward to seeing more videos, great work!
and here, for the cavalry, i use the formation alt f4
LOVED IT MAN! i would really like to see more of these kids of videos because you helped me allot!
I love this game. But god damn it's so unoptimized. On a ryzen 7, 2070 super, can't get more than 50fps in a large battle.
Agree and this game already came out a long time ago. Very unoptimized, I have a constant 50fps but when I focus the cam to armies, it gets to 30-40fps
@@cas9007 reduce the detail of units to up performance, for me this works
@@danielangelo2135 that's what I do too. Locked on 60fps when I zoomed in on soldiers and in battles I got 45-55fps.
You guys get more than 40 fps?
@fishsandwichpatrol yeah archers are great; i use them a lot. but they are best used in defense, or even for skirmish, but when you're charging you infantry at your enemy, your archers become much less useful since you have to worry about friendly fire.
Some of my favorite let's play ever. Loved Shogun 2, wish I played multiplayer when it was popular.
Everytime I watch shogun2 videos I press the P key to pause
I guess I think too much like a Hellenistic player, since I played a lot of Rome before moving on to Shogun. I tend to use ashigaru spear walls up front to pin down the main enemy force and then flank with swords and cavalry; sometimes with matchlocks too for added morale damage.
I've studied the Greeks and Romans and know nothing about the Japanese. I know the Hellenistic way of fighting a whole lot better just by looking at history (most specifically, Alexander the Great). I'm trash at this game lol
Nice strategy Detailed Video give you Bravo man, keeping it on 1 my Guide List
If your general dies you aren't necessarily screwed. Its just how you play your troops and how you react to what the enemy does unless you are really out skilled/out numbered.
@elesararwos i think many people underestimate the ashigaru spears - they r very good against cav and can really slow down the opponent's melee charge.
If u put them in spear wall u can hold off the enemy charge for longer which would allow your own infatry and cav to flank in the mean time the opponent and deliver a crucial blow!
however if u want to quickly withdraw them after opponent's charge its better to not have that wall since it will slow ahigaru down. Hope that answered your question)
I heard it is advisable not to rely on samurais exclusively and always have yari ashigarus attack in the first line to attack the enemy infantry first. Cause they are cheap to replace and can tie the enemy line long enough and only use the samurais as support unit when the ashigarus are in trouble.
What's the best way to defeat an army on a hill? I only play the campaign against the comps on very hard and if you're on the offensive when fighting in a field almost every time the enemy will be able to set up on some nearby large hill which means extremely heavy losses on my side (and likely a loss). I try to send units up the least steep part of the hill and do what I can to surround it but I feel there should be a better way to handle that.
It works if they are predominately Ashigaru, but if they are mainly using samurai, which they will be as the game progresses, the Ashigaru will crumble and break, ruining your line and losing you the battle. Samurai's have much higher morale and with a general present will just about fight to the death most of the time.Once you can afford samurai melee units en masse always better to make them the basis of your army
I always had problems that my archers were flanked by cavalry now I always have one spear unite for every 2-3 archers as protection. Know they don’t attack the archers and I have 1 or 2 reserve infantry
My issue in battles is ranged units having their "line of sight" blocked. You can't just fire into your own troops anymore...
Great video! Is friendly fire a bigger problem for siege units?
Hello, I really appreciate your videos on this game since I was trying to figure the nuances out. It would be really cool if you could show a few live wins of yours against online opponents and tell us your thinking behind why you made certain moves you made? I think that's what i've been scouring the youtube videos for to finally make everything click for me.
Fro Buntu Hello friend, I have probably like 30 videos taken live during online battles, just search for videos just LIVE in the front of their name. Good luck to you.
@fishsandwichpatrol
hi man! I haven't played shogun 2 but i played some older total war games (RTW, Medieval 2 total war mostly). I was wondering if infantry are the most important if you're attacking. I always lose so many units when I'm attacking cause my enemies turtle up (which is what I like to do when I defend). I know you have to use archers to pepper down the enemy and cavalry to flank, but is infantry (charging em against the enemy) the most effective way to win when attacking?
very helpful. thought i'd come out and say it. classic hammer and anvil stuff.
Great video, I've been somewhat mind-fucked with Shogun 2 because I've been so used to the epic 18th century line battles that I've partially forgotten the tactics used in these "melee" fights.
Hi, im italian i don t have understand about the friendly fire, does the arrow hit only enemy?
Good tactics (and army composition) for a drawn-out hand to hand confrontation. With so many katanas, in order to win your opponent would need a handful of elite cavalry combined with lots of ranged units, or use a "defense in depth"/skirmish strategy and avoid melee confrontation if possible, harrassing the meat of your army (your katana swordsmen) before taking the initiative and charging in.
Omg these are some great tips thanks! Getting me on my feet for this game :)
Nive vid haha i needed it. I play more defensively by using alot more archers and skirmishing alot more, i need to get the hang of calvary and infantry advances because as much as its a redundent thing id rather not lose any troops even though it is impossible not to. This vid gave me some ideas though haha time to go organize my armies and i shud prob go learn controls too... haha bought it yesterday and i love it!
with bows?, u can get them a lil closer or run away from ur lines, depending on the terrain, on the other hand match locks need a clear line of sight, so its better to use them as openers or outflanking
Ashigarus can be a meat shield, to absorb Matchlock fire or Charges, but u cant rely on them they can rout so easly, Samurai & monks are hard to rout so u can rely on them, use the ashigarus to defend ur lines from cav, or meatshields even to support ur lines with loan swords, but on Land battles Samurais are way betters, on Siege if ur defending no matter what unit u have and what moral they have if they fight under the fortress they will fight till death
Troops can get a Moral shock if they are low on moral even yellow, they can rout, and make all ur army to Chain rout, so its better to protect and Guard your general, even if you are a Melee, general its not too big when a melee die compared with a leadership general still you can get Moral shocked
@fishsandwichpatrol
really? Because when i play against ai (in past total war games), I find that archers are not very good offensive units (usually best when used defensively) and that cavalry aren't good when used offensively if your enemy has yari units to counter. I usually just rush with a huge army of infantry and try to flank the enemy infantry/missile units with cavalry. But the infantry tends to be the core, like you said.
infant. alt3 , archer alt 1, cav alt 4
Can you give me some brand new tips on archer-use? In every battle archers just fire at each other. One might as well fight battles without them on both sides.
Nice video, helped my thinking processes a lot for battles :)
u can run them behind ur spears when the cav charges, so enemy cav decide to atack a spear wall or just get tired and plumbered by archers, generally on Real life archers will be behind infantry but the range on Shogun 2 its not that great so ur best shot its skirmish
Why does everyone keep their archers in front? Wouldn't it make sense to keep them behind the melee units so they don't get massacred?
Any body know how to get your units running when you right click attack (sword icon when mouse over). Often when I micromanage running units I try to attack certain units for assist and easily get neglected that they are not running after attack mouse clicks. I later have to click run button to re-enable the action. Any idea or quick way to do attacks?
If your asking what i think your asking you just double click when you set a unit to attack another unit. That seems to obvious though, i probably don't understand what your trying to say.
Yeah double click. Also the R key toggles between run and walk and is much faster than clicking the Run button.
@elesararwos It is good for defending specialy if a charge is coming in! But it is bad to use if you are gonna charge.
@fishsandwichpatrol
Lies, matchlock units are the worst with friendly fire,i accidentally moved my general into one of my matchlock units, one volley and 12 of them died, archers have almost 0 friendly fire, but matchlocks, so much.
what was the battle difficutly?
+Jelle wijma Probably normal or hard.
Ok I tried very hard but I lose then :)
But then enemy bows can skirmish your frontline since your bows aren't in front. also, that would leave your general open to yari cav.
How did you move certain units simultaneously in one direction? Also, how did you determine what the unit would be shaped like (i.e. rank and file) in advance, before they start moving?
Question: Why are putting your archers and matchlock in front? Aren't they supossed to get protected by melee units? The ai does it to and I don't get it. Could someone please explain?
Angus Cuthbertson really simple Friendly fire
+Angus Cuthbertson The range will be the one who first to deal damage on the armies, and they can easily pull back once cavalry or melees charge in and change with their own melees.
how do you make control goups? 00.40
I have some questions for you:
1. What purpose do matchlocks serve? Based on their stats, it seems like they are inferior to bow ashigaru. Their range is shorter than archers as well! I also don't understand their rank fire ability. I'd assume that makes them behave like line infantry in Napoleon, but it just seems to hamper their offense.
2. What advantages does high ground give you? Does it increase archer range or put a penalty on enemies attacking uphill?
3. In a protracted battle, shouldn't spear units fare better for having a higher defense with katana damage dropping off after the initial charge?
4. In the beginning of this video I saw you make control groups. Did you start off with making one single group, setting a formation, and then breaking the units up into smaller groups i.e. infantry, cavalry, missile?
1 Matchlocks Can drop morale INSANELY Imagine seeing More than half of your friends drop straight away with then being a LOUD BOOM use them to wreck morale so flank and fire.
2 High ground allows a faster charge and as you can imagine walking up a hill does not allow you to gain charge damage and it makes you slower, in other words they are weakened while your charge is FASTER and STRONGER.
3 Im sorry I don't really understand the question but a lot of katana defensive techniques are to stop stabs a yari is a generaly a stabbing weapon something the katana samurai is skilled at manouvering around However just use katanas against spears that's super effective.
4 at first He had a just a plain unit card formation which does not allow you to press lets say 1 and All units in a certain group will be selected he had no groups off the bat yet he build groups. the way I would advise for you to use groups is Katanas together Spears together Cav together Bows together Keep your general out of the action but near your troops the blue circle is where the gen provides extra moral.
Im answering your question because he won Fishsandwichpatrol has stopped making Videos or using UA-cam D:
I hope this helped you some way.
The high ground also gives you an advantage when using the matchlock. A matchlock unit will not fire if there is a friendly unit between the matchlock and the enemy. So usually you need to send the matchlock to the flanks, where they will fire at will.
But if the matchlock is on a hill and you have melee units fighting the enemy in the lower ground, the matchlock can fire OVER your units to hit the enemy without needing to go to the flanks.
group them with G to stay in the formation they get when u press g, or use ctrl +# to get a more flexible formation, practice to get used to both
Very informative guide, straight to the point no bullshit I wish more youtubers were like this. Great video!
Its crazy... Its so much like football in terms of cores and wings
It's always could to keep a few yari ashigaru kicking around, if only for cannon fodder. Spearwall allows them to hold up any charging units while your samurai sweep in from the flanks, very quickly taking them out. They'll be decimanted, for sure, but 3 units of yari ashigaru lost is better then half your army heavily damaged. For obvious reasons, this only works against the AI (or stupid players)
Why does your HUD look different to mine, and your men in a more loose formation, are you using Darth mod or something?
+Sun Tzu I don't use any mods. There are a few ingame options for your HUD.
***** Oh okay, your reply was fast.
This is late, but I see a lot of people using the same kind of HUD, but I still have the default HUD and no idea how to change it as there are zero options to change the look of the HUD. All I want to know is how to make my HUD look like yours.
It's been a while but I think I changed the HUD options in the ingame menu. I use no mods.
Well, a lot of the videos I've seen are from 2011, maybe the HUD was just different then?
If that's not true, then I'll keep looking for a definitive answer.
Can you elaborate on the part when you said, that friendly fire is no big deal? From what I found, shooting at your own guys gets them morale penalty as if they were attacked by the enemy from behind.
Anyway, I love your videos! Just recently I started to battle over the net and your content helps me analyze my mistakes.
How did you change your in game battle commanders face is this a mod ???
what difficulyt is this on?
Make them move from that hill, u can use spears to protect archers from charges and start skirmishing their bows or infantry and if they dont move away or charge u they will suffer heavy loses
Great vid. Just picked up Shogun 2 again. Im in the Total War mood :D
@fishsandwichpatrol Thats really good to know. I'm new to the total war series and find the expansive mix of tactics, strategy and micro really engaging.
Great newbie vids :)
great video but i always i wondering how do bliud your glod up in the single player with out useing cheats
Is it bad that I am watching your videos over and over at work?
Hey bro I want the defend stragety for total war can you please upload?
what if they spawn on a hill?
woa there is so much thing going on i can't keep my pace with it, to be honest it gave me minor headache, i played a game like this on mobile, dawn of titan or sumthin, but i find it hard controlling troops on pc, on mobile i can just create an arrow path for them to move, idk man i just started playing like 2 hours ago lol
Why don't I try cicle attack
noob here. how do you mark the units in the down of the screen ?
Thomas Vesterager You're not alone *plays emotional music*
Alt + F4
can you make a control group?
Thank you this helped me a lot I'm the type of person that thinks I know how to do all this stuff like kinda cocky but I'm not that good at all but thanks for the video it helped a lot
I know this is long video ,and rush question, i hope you see this ,can you let ai control your group like attack and defend ?,it seems in rome 2 theres this feature but i never realise it
Couldn't you have just picked a yari samurai unit to flank the general instead of the katana samurai since you were focusing on his general which a yari unit has a bonus against.
Can you substitute yari ashigaru for katana samurai? and would you advise putting in more range troops?
Liviana Spock yes to all
wow! that was fast! thank you! すごいはやく!ありがとうございます! from japan. 日本へ
Liviana Spock that's how I roll fam
Have you done a "How to attack" with small funds in a online match for beginners?
So, a question. How would you suggest attacking in tight terrain - that is, you can only have one or two units in a fight at a time? Playing Rome: Total War I had a battle against the Carthigineans that on paper was a curbstomp melee battle because I had a lot more superior units and in enough numbers, but while pushing into the town square I was actually losing for a while because all my units were suddenly getting tired despite mostly just walking to the fight and most of them not actually attacking, just getting tired being part of the back. I managed to win by disengaging a few in the back so they could rest and letting them launch some pila, but I'm curious as to what your advice is. I've tried to apply some of your suggestions for Shogun 2 to that (IE, skirmish, have a core of what I want for armies, etc.), but I'm curious as to this. I know Shogun 2 has a lot more wide areas, but I'm curious.
Try to identify which units are attempting to engage and not engaging and pull them out. Bring them around to any flanking position. Usually in those town situations you can send units "around the block" and come in behind the enemy to start a rout.
Alternatively when you have tired units at the front, pull them out and replace with fresh troops and walk the tired ones around the back or flank, maybe after getting some fitness back.
he was a definitive normal mode computer enemy. listen to the guy tell you this.
Great tutorial, but a little bit unrelatable to most newbies because most new people (like me) who are just starting out the campaign wouldn't have the capability to buy that many Katana Samurai or those two Samurai Cavalries. They mostly have Yari Ashigarus, Bow Ashigarus, and/or 1-2 Light Cavalries (they're not even available until about 2-3 turns later, even that is only if you managed to win a territory that has it). I think this tutorial would've been much better if you would relate to the new people, because they're mostly the ones who would try their damndest to find tutorials like this.
Just read kingdom Manga it got so much battle tech
Great video dude!
at :40 how do you group them together like that. And yes im a noob at this game i have just started playing
@elesararwos yea exactly - they would slow them down, but they r ashigaru, so...
Great video man!! Much appreciate it:)
plus iff they get charged you can rush them back
That is a good way to attack and win but will lose a lot of man I have been in a situation there are 3 group of enemy in the camp meaning I can't lose too many man and continue to the next group after that protect my castle that is under attack I only have 1200 man the enemies have around 1600 to 2200 man pre-group one of the enemy group have 3 generals it's 3 to 1 battle
your matchlock units were shooting your own guys
are you using the normal grouping options?
use skirmish mode and they will move safely out of the way of any melee troops
***** How many friendly units did your matchlocks kill..
Great video man. Ive been doing a archer spear combo unit and now I know that it doesnt work at all, bu this does.
Great demo! How did you record it?
I uninstalled it, and got shogun 2 lol I'm playing it now. But it's been a while since I've played tw. (back when BI and Alexander came out for the first one). So looking at these strats are beast. Thanks.
I would like to meet you sometime.
Beautifully executed, compared to my attacks at least. Thanks a bunch!
Football tactics were based on military tactics, thats why
But actually... This is good for new players...
Great work dude! THUMBS UP!
So uh, is friendly fire still not an issue?