Ok so before anyone else points it out I have the terminator audio the wrong way round, this was cos I used a video from a previous video I did that had the black boarder wide screen ratio so had to have this in a different line in the editor ... By this time with all the overlays etc. I couldn't see all the lines so mistakenly played the Nes when it should have been the master system. Tbh these videos are a right nightmare with side by side fading audio in and out etc. I'm surprised that's the only mistake I made as I ended up with a right headache
I had an NES which I absolutely loved. My older cousin had a Master System however, and he would bring it over to my house every summer when he visited. The graphical difference was quite stunning to 7 year old me. It had some really cool games.
I had the budget version of Ghostbusters on the C64 and loved it, I also liked the mini game invaderload which allowed you to play space invaders while Ghostbusters was loading
As a kid I played Ghostbusters on the C64 as well with my brothers. The game itself sucked, if it wasn't for the license. I remember the most fun part being customizing your car and the GHOSTBUSTERS! speech sample
I got it for Christmas in 1984 for C64, and it blew me away. No invade-a-load in the original release, though. I still load it up a few times a year for a quick playthrough. The digitized speech was phenomenal in 1984. "GHOSTBUSTERS!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA". Fun memories.
Not gonna lie, I'm genuinely stunned on how great the Master System looks compared to NES. It makes me wonder how different video games would've been if Nintendo's business practices didn't prevent companies like Konami and Capcom from making games for the system.
in Europe and South America they did this even without those companies. So yes they could have killed the NES in America. Only Nintendo exclusives would have saved them. (This happened later with the Megadrive/SNES which were far closer in success. Both were great systems). PAL Master System games were still released until 1996. Outside the US and Asia the NES was a failure and the Master System a big hit, apart from in Scandinavia. The UK and France especially it was the top selling console into the early 90s just ahead of the Megadrive and SNES.
It's interesting to wonder how differently things may have turned out if Nintendo of America's unethical business practices had have been outlawed so to give the competition a fair shake. The SMS was clearly the superior console and yet it didn't have nearly as many AAA games from third-party publishers due to Nintendo's business practices.
Anytime the SMS gets some love, I'm there with a front row seat, and this video didn't disappoint. As someone who sold his ColecoVision collection to buy an NES, and later bought a SMS just for the love of gaming, I enjoyed both. But when the SMS was firing on all cylinders it was rather hard to beat. As some of the arcade conversions on that system were the best offered at the time on any console, handheld, computer, etc.
This goes to show how technically inferior the NES was to the Master System. It would have been very interesting to see how gaming history would have been altered had SEGA got a foothold in the States after the crash of 83 before Nintendo.
The only advantage it really had was it had slightly more colors, but considerably worse sound. Even with the FM upgrade, it still doesn't sound as good. And of course, using mapper chips, the NES left the SMS truly and well in the dust, both in terms of sales numbers, quality and quantity of games. No NES fan gives a hoot about the SMS having the better port of Rampage, Shinobi or California Games, do they.
What 3 of the biggest games around at the time .. I'm sure some give a hoot me being one of them. As I said at the start no one is questioning that Nes was a total powerhouse of the 8bit era but this is about times it was beat...there are way more than 10 as well and a lot of them were massive arcade ports done badly on the Nes
Power doesn't matter, it's the games, and sega had nothing that could compete with Nintendo games, and you add that the Famicom was already 3 years older than the sms, and was Sega's 3rd 8bit console released after the utter failed sg1000 and sega mark 2.
As it didn't do so well in north America they didn't get any of the good games from the early 90's like the Sonic games, The lucky dime caper, Master of Darkness, Micro Machines, Super off road, Road Rage, Batman Returns, Speedball 2 etc
Nice vid mate, I think you have the music icons backwards on the number 1 slot, you play the NES one first while having the music icon over the Master System :)
Ah yeah ... That's right I have, it's cos I used a different ratio video for the Nes one (from a previous video I did) so had to have that in the opposite line to what I had the other videos on... Tbh the amount of cuts, mutes and volume fade in and outs on videos like this are a nightmare and give me a right headache by the end
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar on Master System is my favourite version. While I don't think there's any such thing as a bad version of that great game, the SMS is the more faithful console port, other than changing the pseudo-3d dungeons to top down view (which, gameplay-wise, is arguably a blessing). Definitely the game and port that started my love of open world RPGs.
You should have done Paperboy too... the Master System version is almost arcade perfect and the NES version is embarrassing. Although, to be fair, it was an early NES game. I had both of these systems as a kid, and the Master System was the superior system, but it's too bad it never really caught on (in the US anyway.) It was really hard to find games for it, while NES games were everywhere.
I've wanted you to do this EXACT video for so long! And it didn't disappoint. But what never crossed my mind before now was doing a reverse? Maybe in the future? Happy new year mate from Teesside 😊
The SMS port of Renegade was the better of the two. They’re both the same version of the game (slightly different from the arcade) and the SMS has better graphics and collision detection. The way you got thrown in the dumpster when you lost a life was a nice bit of humour too.
In Master we have games such as Altered Beast, SoR, Golden Axe, Mortal Kombat, Sonic, Shadow Dancer, Power Strike 2, Mercs, Ghouls and Ghosts, New Zeland Story, Donald...some tittles with stuning graphics, was a great console.
Why would I play those poorly ported games on the master when I could play them on Genesis/megadrive?, more proof the master system should've never been made, but sega was so stupid making bad decisions.
i was a sega master system boy back in the day, i thought it was better than the nes. sega games were always closer to the arcade version, while nintendo almost always did their own thing, deviating to much imho. and for my tiny kid hands the sms controller was easier to move diagonal compared to the nes one. i also liked the fact that the sms games came in durable, strong, boxes, and yes, i'm one of those crazy people who actually like the design of them (white background with lines).
Noticed some in comments say DD on Nes, but their forgetting a big part was 2 players in this type of game. I agree with you on SMS being better overall at the time, but I agree with other comments single player .. NES.
My favorite part of Master System Double Dragon is punching through the bad guys because of sloppy collision detection. Plus the way it gives you infinite lives until the final stage to compensate.
The graphics are better in the SMS, but the color pallet on the NES is after better . And the most important thing is the the SMS do not have even a single title with better music then NES .
Prince of Persia is fascinating. NES seems to be a 1:1 port from the PC version while SMS got a complete overhaul. I wonder if they were just lazy on Nintendo side and did the bare minimum while Sega needed to "try harder" to beat NES late in the console life span.
Me too, double dragon is my favourite game of all time. I guess it's subjective that's why it's in 10th but as a double dragon fan I find the SMS version better
@ double dragon in the arcade was THE game as a kid for me (well until I got a bit older and sf2 came along). PAC man, double dragon, tecmo World Cup 90 and sf2 will always be absolute favourites.
The Master System was the superior console and had great games. The average American and Japanese have nostalgia for the NES as it made its mark first.
Hello! Just wanted to say I've been following your channel for ages and it's always given me so many memories in your coverage of the c64...BUT! I never had a c64 when I was at school, I had a speccy 128k but my best friend had one, and I must say I lusted over his complete shitfit of a setup..... Monitor, Disk Drive, Oh my God it tore my heart out. At much as I loved my Sinclair, playing games such as Myth, Last Ninja 1,2 and effing 3! , Turbocharge, Creatures, Retrograde, Armalyte etc made me want to shoot my computer in to the sun lol Anyway thanks for the nostalgia, I also happen to work right opposite Sega Zombie Scott in Ipswich, so that was cool to see on your vid from a while back. Keep up the good work and cheers! 🍻
WonderBoy games were licenced to Hudson Soft but only the game, Sega still owned the rights to the name WonderBoy.. So Hudson had to make changes, like name and character.
On some of those I hear the MS FM chip that was not present outside of Japan. So not fair. But yeah, certainly some nice games to be found on MS. Music wise though, the NES has the upper hand (without FM module).
Are their first party IP's worth the rest of the shovel ware they put out though? For every Mario and Zelda there are 100 "Cooking mama Yamaguchi Hamster simulators" and it sucks.
@JustMe99999 that made the game easier and no challenge if you played 2 players, because it had no more than 3 enemies to fight at one time, plus you had even more flickering characters.
Master system was where it all began for me and my brother, we never actually got a NES ever to be honest so this is first time ive seen the difference between both consoles, im pretty shocked to honest, i always thought Nintendo was the better console, we were a Sega house, master system then Mega Drive
Wellp. you're cheating with the Master System music using FM synth. That Add-on option was not available to anyone outside Japan. In the US and EU all we got was horrendous beeps and bleeps just barely one step above Atari 2600 sounds.
@@jakeculley9173 Yes. It's bad too. Same weak tinny beeps and blips with horrible "white noise" drums. The SMS sound chip is very weak and sounds almost as if can only play in monotonic scale.
Another one I'd add, at least Graphically, was Krusty's Funhouse. The Master system version almost looks 16 bit. The NES version looks awful in comparison with washed out purple green colours.
I was watching the gameplay of WonderBoy (SEGA Master System) was this footage of yourself playing it? Tip: To get extra hight when jumping hit both buttons at the same time. Well that's how I do it on real hardware.
This is kind of cheating, but....Road Rash for the Sega Master System murders and I mean just destroys every single racing game on the Nes. You can combine every racing game the Nes had while bringing all of their innovations together, and it still would'nt top Road Rash. Bonus- R-Type verses any shmup on the Nes. Rastan on the Master System just dogs most side scrolling hack n' slash adventure games on the Nes as well.
Aliens 3 nes clearly is better. Also, Music wise nes annihilates sms version too You had to record fm sound on games which weren't played with this add on just to not sound pathetic compared to the nes versions, admit it Adventure island is a better game than wonder boy too
You can tell you’re INCREDIBLY biased to SEGA and that sort or robbed any sort of fun for me. You can’t say a single positive in Nintendo when a lot of the time both games have redeeming qualities. Too bad.
Lol.... That's the whole point of these videos mate... If I did one the other way round or the Nes Vs the SNES I would be biased about the Nes...the Nes was the first console I ever got it was the turtles pack and I loved it... The Nes is a brilliant console
Ok so before anyone else points it out I have the terminator audio the wrong way round, this was cos I used a video from a previous video I did that had the black boarder wide screen ratio so had to have this in a different line in the editor ... By this time with all the overlays etc. I couldn't see all the lines so mistakenly played the Nes when it should have been the master system. Tbh these videos are a right nightmare with side by side fading audio in and out etc. I'm surprised that's the only mistake I made as I ended up with a right headache
You did a great job mate, it happens to the best of us!
I had an NES which I absolutely loved. My older cousin had a Master System however, and he would bring it over to my house every summer when he visited. The graphical difference was quite stunning to 7 year old me. It had some really cool games.
I had the budget version of Ghostbusters on the C64 and loved it, I also liked the mini game invaderload which allowed you to play space invaders while Ghostbusters was loading
As a kid I played Ghostbusters on the C64 as well with my brothers. The game itself sucked, if it wasn't for the license. I remember the most fun part being customizing your car and the GHOSTBUSTERS! speech sample
I got it for Christmas in 1984 for C64, and it blew me away. No invade-a-load in the original release, though. I still load it up a few times a year for a quick playthrough. The digitized speech was phenomenal in 1984. "GHOSTBUSTERS!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA". Fun memories.
Not gonna lie, I'm genuinely stunned on how great the Master System looks compared to NES. It makes me wonder how different video games would've been if Nintendo's business practices didn't prevent companies like Konami and Capcom from making games for the system.
in Europe and South America they did this even without those companies. So yes they could have killed the NES in America. Only Nintendo exclusives would have saved them. (This happened later with the Megadrive/SNES
which were far closer in success. Both were great systems). PAL Master System games were still released until 1996. Outside the US and Asia the NES was a failure and the Master System a big hit, apart from in Scandinavia. The UK and France especially it was the top selling console into the early 90s just ahead of the Megadrive and SNES.
Some Master System games looked borderline 16 bit. Krusty's Fun house for example and Robocod.
It's interesting to wonder how differently things may have turned out if Nintendo of America's unethical business practices had have been outlawed so to give the competition a fair shake. The SMS was clearly the superior console and yet it didn't have nearly as many AAA games from third-party publishers due to Nintendo's business practices.
True that
Yes, imagine what Capcom and Konami could have done on the SMS..
@@gumdeo Precisely!
Anytime the SMS gets some love, I'm there with a front row seat, and this video didn't disappoint. As someone who sold his ColecoVision collection to buy an NES, and later bought a SMS just for the love of gaming, I enjoyed both. But when the SMS was firing on all cylinders it was rather hard to beat. As some of the arcade conversions on that system were the best offered at the time on any console, handheld, computer, etc.
True that mate I had the Nes and then the master system too so know exactly what you mean
This goes to show how technically inferior the NES was to the Master System. It would have been very interesting to see how gaming history would have been altered had SEGA got a foothold in the States after the crash of 83 before Nintendo.
The only advantage it really had was it had slightly more colors, but considerably worse sound. Even with the FM upgrade, it still doesn't sound as good. And of course, using mapper chips, the NES left the SMS truly and well in the dust, both in terms of sales numbers, quality and quantity of games. No NES fan gives a hoot about the SMS having the better port of Rampage, Shinobi or California Games, do they.
What 3 of the biggest games around at the time .. I'm sure some give a hoot me being one of them. As I said at the start no one is questioning that Nes was a total powerhouse of the 8bit era but this is about times it was beat...there are way more than 10 as well and a lot of them were massive arcade ports done badly on the Nes
For an 8-bit system Prince of Persia look abolutely amazing on the Maser system
Power doesn't matter, it's the games, and sega had nothing that could compete with Nintendo games, and you add that the Famicom was already 3 years older than the sms, and was Sega's 3rd 8bit console released after the utter failed sg1000 and sega mark 2.
As it didn't do so well in north America they didn't get any of the good games from the early 90's like the Sonic games, The lucky dime caper, Master of Darkness, Micro Machines, Super off road, Road Rage, Batman Returns, Speedball 2 etc
Nice vid mate, I think you have the music icons backwards on the number 1 slot, you play the NES one first while having the music icon over the Master System :)
Ah yeah ... That's right I have, it's cos I used a different ratio video for the Nes one (from a previous video I did) so had to have that in the opposite line to what I had the other videos on... Tbh the amount of cuts, mutes and volume fade in and outs on videos like this are a nightmare and give me a right headache by the end
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar on Master System is my favourite version. While I don't think there's any such thing as a bad version of that great game, the SMS is the more faithful console port, other than changing the pseudo-3d dungeons to top down view (which, gameplay-wise, is arguably a blessing). Definitely the game and port that started my love of open world RPGs.
You should have done Paperboy too... the Master System version is almost arcade perfect and the NES version is embarrassing. Although, to be fair, it was an early NES game. I had both of these systems as a kid, and the Master System was the superior system, but it's too bad it never really caught on (in the US anyway.) It was really hard to find games for it, while NES games were everywhere.
That's true but I do have a lot of nostalgia for the NES version as it was a family favorite when I was a kid, and the music is planted in my brain.
I've wanted you to do this EXACT video for so long! And it didn't disappoint. But what never crossed my mind before now was doing a reverse? Maybe in the future? Happy new year mate from Teesside 😊
So Nes Vs master system? I was going to do a Nes Vs SNES at some point
Thoroughly enjoyed it! Does Irn Bru & vodka count as a Christmas drink? Works for me.
Defo...any drink is a Christmas drink
The SMS port of Renegade was the better of the two. They’re both the same version of the game (slightly different from the arcade) and the SMS has better graphics and collision detection. The way you got thrown in the dumpster when you lost a life was a nice bit of humour too.
In Master we have games such as Altered Beast, SoR, Golden Axe, Mortal Kombat, Sonic, Shadow Dancer, Power Strike 2, Mercs, Ghouls and Ghosts, New Zeland Story, Donald...some tittles with stuning graphics, was a great console.
Why would I play those poorly ported games on the master when I could play them on Genesis/megadrive?, more proof the master system should've never been made, but sega was so stupid making bad decisions.
@@hpickettz34 Sonic on Master System is a different game and totally worth it.
@@hpickettz34 You just sound like a deluded Nintendo fan boy. Both consoles had lots of great games.
@@Ruudos nope
@TheDneaves nope sms was dogshit, nobody cared.
i was a sega master system boy back in the day, i thought it was better than the nes. sega games were always closer to the arcade version, while nintendo almost always did their own thing, deviating to much imho. and for my tiny kid hands the sms controller was easier to move diagonal compared to the nes one. i also liked the fact that the sms games came in durable, strong, boxes, and yes, i'm one of those crazy people who actually like the design of them (white background with lines).
Before I watch, Road Rash smashes anything the NES can ever hope to achieve.
Lol pity I can't have that in as nes never even tried to do road rash
@oldstylegaming I didn't think you were comparing game for game before I watched the video.
I look like a bit of a prat now 🤣
Yes Road Rash definitely does on genesis.
Noticed some in comments say DD on Nes, but their forgetting a big part was 2 players in this type of game. I agree with you on SMS being better overall at the time, but I agree with other comments single player .. NES.
Wow the graphics on some of these are so much more enjoyable with the SMS versions.
My favorite part of Master System Double Dragon is punching through the bad guys because of sloppy collision detection. Plus the way it gives you infinite lives until the final stage to compensate.
Agreed on the rest.
I think i like the stylized nes dd better
if only master system games had seal quality and rubbish cheap carboard boxes
Haha
Im having flashbacks to the Sega Nintendo wars of the 80s and 90s, those who were there know. 😳
Great comparison very nice video 👍
The graphics are better in the SMS, but the color pallet on the NES is after better . And the most important thing is the the SMS do not have even a single title with better music then NES .
In my opinion, from the US collection, Phantasy Star and Wonder Boy III where some of the best 8 bit games ever made.
Damn. That NES version of The Terminator looks total arse gravy.
Prince of Persia is fascinating. NES seems to be a 1:1 port from the PC version while SMS got a complete overhaul. I wonder if they were just lazy on Nintendo side and did the bare minimum while Sega needed to "try harder" to beat NES late in the console life span.
There are actually some pretty decent games on the 8 bit sega system,
I’d take the nes double dragon over the the ms any day!
Yes I own both
Me too, double dragon is my favourite game of all time. I guess it's subjective that's why it's in 10th but as a double dragon fan I find the SMS version better
@ double dragon in the arcade was THE game as a kid for me (well until I got a bit older and sf2 came along).
PAC man, double dragon, tecmo World Cup 90 and sf2 will always be absolute favourites.
Me too. Replace that game with The Lion King and put it in first place while you're at it.
You missed boubble bobble so much better and twice the level on Master System
What a legend!!! Thank you so much!
hope you liked it
@ Fantastic as always, thank you so much for the brilliant video.
Always good to see the mastersystem get some love!
Awesome videos.
Thanks mate
The Master System was the superior console and had great games. The average American and Japanese have nostalgia for the NES as it made its mark first.
Hello! Just wanted to say I've been following your channel for ages and it's always given me so many memories in your coverage of the c64...BUT!
I never had a c64 when I was at school, I had a speccy 128k but my best friend had one, and I must say I lusted over his complete shitfit of a setup.....
Monitor,
Disk Drive,
Oh my God it tore my heart out. At much as I loved my Sinclair, playing games such as Myth, Last Ninja 1,2 and effing 3! , Turbocharge, Creatures, Retrograde, Armalyte etc made me want to shoot my computer in to the sun lol
Anyway thanks for the nostalgia, I also happen to work right opposite Sega Zombie Scott in Ipswich, so that was cool to see on your vid from a while back.
Keep up the good work and cheers! 🍻
The music is great on the NES... If you can turn it off!
I agree with all of these except for Double Dragon.
So you disagree that terminator, California games and prince of Persia are better on the SMS than the Nes... Hmmm
@@oldstylegaminghuh? No.
WonderBoy games were licenced to Hudson Soft but only the game, Sega still owned the rights to the name WonderBoy.. So Hudson had to make changes, like name and character.
Weird licencing that really isn't it
@@oldstylegaming extra revenue for SEGA but not having to loose their IP.
On some of those I hear the MS FM chip that was not present outside of Japan. So not fair. But yeah, certainly some nice games to be found on MS. Music wise though, the NES has the upper hand (without FM module).
I was always a Nintendo kid...born in 83, so this was all my childhood...but the Master System was capable of much better graphics and game speed
Love Prince of Persia on Amiga🤘🏻
You put the music on the terminator games the wrong way round.
Yeah I know I've pinned a comment about it cos your the 2nd person who has pointed it out
I guess in a way it was just Nintendo doing what they do now, weak hardware but smashing first party IPs. SNES was the exception I suppose.
Are their first party IP's worth the rest of the shovel ware they put out though? For every Mario and Zelda there are 100 "Cooking mama Yamaguchi Hamster simulators" and it sucks.
Nah that NES Double Dragon game was ace much better than the master system port even if it does stray from the original.
The NES version of Double Dragon doesn't do two player mode, while the Master System version does.
@JustMe99999 that made the game easier and no challenge if you played 2 players, because it had no more than 3 enemies to fight at one time, plus you had even more flickering characters.
Didn't sega have 2 player at the same time with Double Dragon? That in itself made it 1000 times better.
Master system was where it all began for me and my brother, we never actually got a NES ever to be honest so this is first time ive seen the difference between both consoles, im pretty shocked to honest, i always thought Nintendo was the better console, we were a Sega house, master system then Mega Drive
Was the NES Shinobi a European exclusive? I ask because I had no idea that Shinobi came out on the NES.
North America unlicenced
Wellp. you're cheating with the Master System music using FM synth. That Add-on option was not available to anyone outside Japan. In the US and EU all we got was horrendous beeps and bleeps just barely one step above Atari 2600 sounds.
Have you even heard the ost to Sonic 1 on the master system? It sounds great!
@@jakeculley9173 Yes. It's bad too. Same weak tinny beeps and blips with horrible "white noise" drums. The SMS sound chip is very weak and sounds almost as if can only play in monotonic scale.
Another one I'd add, at least Graphically, was Krusty's Funhouse. The Master system version almost looks 16 bit. The NES
version looks awful in comparison with washed out purple green colours.
I was watching the gameplay of WonderBoy (SEGA Master System) was this footage of yourself playing it?
Tip: To get extra hight when jumping hit both buttons at the same time.
Well that's how I do it on real hardware.
Yeah it's me and I worked that out but after I had recorded the Nes footage so had to use the early level stuff
Gotta disagree with Double Dragon. The SMS version has co-op, but it plays horrible, with terrible hit detection.
This is kind of cheating, but....Road Rash for the Sega Master System murders and I mean just destroys every single racing game on the Nes. You can combine every racing game the Nes had while bringing all of their innovations together, and it still would'nt top Road Rash.
Bonus- R-Type verses any shmup on the Nes. Rastan on the Master System just dogs most side scrolling hack n' slash adventure games on the Nes as well.
Am I the only person on the planet that didn't like California Games? I thought it was shit.
It was great on the Atari Lynx.
Aliens 3 nes clearly is better. Also, Music wise nes annihilates sms version too
You had to record fm sound on games which weren't played with this add on just to not sound pathetic compared to the nes versions, admit it
Adventure island is a better game than wonder boy too
You can tell you’re INCREDIBLY biased to SEGA and that sort or robbed any sort of fun for me. You can’t say a single positive in Nintendo when a lot of the time both games have redeeming qualities. Too bad.
Lol.... That's the whole point of these videos mate... If I did one the other way round or the Nes Vs the SNES I would be biased about the Nes...the Nes was the first console I ever got it was the turtles pack and I loved it... The Nes is a brilliant console