It is insane how the Fifth Column got banned for their griefing shenanigans. What's even more insane is how they managed to get themselves unbanned just by pinky promising that "they won't do it again". And then proceeding to do the very things that got them banned without Mojang batting an eye. Mojang moderation is truly the thing of all time.
Its ultimately not very surprising. Mojang's solutions to these critical issues have always been lackluster and performative by nature. I doubt this will change until the community demands it.
Sometimes using the old appease method does work when the said banned player learned their lesson. Exceptions are of course the Fifth Column members who are strong heartedly dedicated to griefing. You can't change a heart of a person but send a message to them as a last warning.
FifthColumn were able to locate our Cobbelmon server’s IP, but since we were whitelisted, they just sent thousands of join requests to it while we were live and DoS’d it. The solution? Just changing the port
My brother’s account got hacked and it’s email changed. After showing Microsoft/Mojang the receipts he had after buying the game years back and a metric ton of evidence that shows that he was the owner of the account, instead of changing the email back on his account or helping him recover his account, what did they do? Locked it.
Make an appeal with a separate Microsoft account, or call Microsoft support telling them you got no explanation to why your account was permanently locked, and that you would like to make an appeal.
@@DrMontrays its just a guess, but maybe there is a microsoft employee that has a grudge with him, and that's why he's getting locked, just a guess tho, (it would be funny if it was true)
I have never liked the idea of chat reporting. It genuinely shows that Microsoft would like to have more control over the game, likely due to the fact that it is marketed towards the whole family now.
@@matthewbarabas3052 It is to a point, the griefing in the video can be seen as damaging to the integrity of the game (it is all opinionated). I'm specifically talking about chat reporting though, which has been historically something that the community manages
@@matthewbarabas3052 If there ever was a good reason for Microsoft/Mojang to exercise said control, chat reporting would be an inefficient solution at best. Minecraft always had the ability to manually blacklist certain players (and servers) from online play. Chat reporting just made it easier for malicious actors to abuse this.
It went from a game meant for everyone, to a game meant for Purley a younger audience, because that's where the money will most likely come from, and it's sickening.
Can't believe Mojang actually fell for The Fifth Columns "apology". It was clear they would continue just as before and the apology was just trolling. Even worse that they didn't even ban them after they continued. Griefing on anarchy servers where its allowed and expected is one thing, but putting this amount of effort into finding and attacking innocent private servers of people who are not aware of this danger (and a lot of these servers probably belong to children) is a whole other level of maliciousness. They deserve to get banned forever.
I hate griefers. Maybe it's just because I have experienced severe bullying, which harmed me in a very unpleasent way potentionally forever. Or a lot of people have a questionable humor. Still, annoying people, destroying their work, spreading hate and what not, is NOT funny. It hurts, it sucks. Watching those videos and potentionally laughing about it is NOT better than doing that. And I see why some people do it, to "spread knowledge about server security". But this is a very harsh way of doing so.
They aren't doing it for any "just" reason. They just use excuses and shift blame to other people to gain moral highground and justify their need for superiority. Think about it: they ruin people's fun and get off from it. They aren't spreading awareness, nor they "punish" anyone, they just want to make themselves feel better by bringing other people down. It gives them feeling of control they otherwise lack. It's just pathetic, really
I agree. On anarchy servers, everyone who joins knows what they're getting into, so that's perfectly fine, but when you do that to people who didn't sign for it, that's when it becomes a problem. There's no need to destroy people's creations just to say "there's a security issue". They could've reached out to the servers' owners and warn them without destroying anything. They're just pathetic people with way too much free time, I don't care how skilled they are, they're still bullies.
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"Now, this behavior is obviously somewhat morally questionable" Using a bot and mod to search for privates servers just to ruin the days of innocent people is just "morally questionable"? I don't think you're going to lose subs if you just call these dudes pathetic lol
It's more akin to leaving your wallet outside, yes people shouldn't steal the money, but there will be people who will just get right on it and maybe even commit creditcard fraud because you left all your cards (read minecraft builds) in there. When hosting a server without a whitelist you are literally advertising to people who search for the server(wallet) to just join and do things. lol, go ahead and think i am defending theft, and read up on how the internet works first before you say the analogy is wrong. truth is, anyone can just type in an ip address (including YOU) and join random servers if they are not whitelisted, and yes some people just join to grief, that's how the world works, like it or not
@@zuighemdanmaar752 No. Your analogy is defending a thief who got into someone's house because the owner forgot to lock the door. The door not being locked doesn't mean you are advertising others to come and rob you, c'mon what kind of mental gymnastics is that?
@@thef1fthcolumn yeah. whitelist should be on by default so younger kids won’t get their servers griefed and stuff. but that’s just one of the ways microsoft should improve
@@thef1fthcolumn Well both are kind of in the wrong. I don't know what you guys do exactly but i hope you're at least not targeting innocent kids who spent time building their bases just because you can.
Correction: They did not actually kill Jeb in Minecraft; it was later revealed that someone had made a fake server with fake players like Jeb and made it seem like legit (which also explains why he was "afk") This was also confirmed officially
Tell everyone they don't know what they are saying, because all children are illiterate, stupid, and don't know anything (according to people who have never seen children)
I remember this happened to me once where my server was public and they joined and went to town absolutely griefing it while I was streaming. However I ended up doxxing them, because while they kept using something to change their username when I banned them, their IP was staying the same. So I just did an IP ban on them live on stream for each of them displaying their IP address and they all had a meltdown in my chat because I displayed their IP addresses publicly as I did it in game rather then through the servers console.
Notorious griefing group who gets the IPs of random individuals to troll them? Unbanned by Mojang, allowed to continue their reign of chaos. Guy on UA-cam who takes down scummy P2W servers with in-game exploits? Banned, several times, with no possibility of getting unbanned. Mojang truly makes some bafflingly stupid decisions, and quite often it would seem.
Pirating the game is illegal and we do not support that. Infact, cracked servers are far easier to grief because you can get OP with ease. We specifically target them. Buy the game.
@@thef1fthcolumn It may not be legal but I believe it is somewhat moral They make you pay for it yet you do not have true full access to it as it's practically a license Anytime you want to play you have to log into your account and if they completely ban your account then the game is no longer playable meaning you just wasted $20 When a game is pirated typically it bypasses the need for an account and you can hop right in It's also one of the only ways to preserve certain games as companies often care not for lesser games and will remove them or charge for them later at a unreasonable price Look at what ubisoft did to ac liberations It's ridiculous and immoral They are within their rights to do it but it's immoral Specifically targeting cracked servers doesn't seem super highly moral because it's in defense of a billion dollar company that has also filled a version of the game to the brim with micro transactions I don't think they are hurting at all from the few hundred thousands at most compared to the millions that have payed for it too be given less true access in comparison I actually have a mc account but for some reason am treated like I don't own java after the migration despite specifically buying it and couldn't find my receipt to prove it so I got screwed over I should have had permanent access to the game without the need of an account or to go through them the second I bought the game Especially when it comes to single player
Honestly its because of 19.1 that I swore to never let Microsoft have a cent from me. They can kick and scream all they want. But the fact there's even a chance of you losing the ability to play a game YOU paid for is stupid. I hate to pirate something worthwhile. But I hate even more when a corrupt company can take away the thing I just bought. Its equivalent to someone breaking into your house to repossess your TV because you said that your neighbor isn't nice.
No I genuinely think these guys deserve it. It's one thing to grief on a server where it's allowed, but the moment you start invading private servers and griefing them, you're crossing a line. Sure it may be unsecured but that doesn't give you the right to attack it. That's like saying "that linux server was unsecured, so I can hack it and steal valuable data." Just because the risk can be mitigated doesn't mean it isn't wrong. I hope these guys get banned again.
I dont think they should be banned . As a MC server devloper and java devloper i say Its not that hard to secure a minecraft server. the fifth coloum doesnt use NSA level zero days to "hack into" the servers. Just Do /whitelist on and when buying a mc server/vps just change the port it not that hard.
@@AdwaithShan Congrats, your job means you are the exception, not the norm, and can't represent. Many people wouldn't realize there is more steps they should take or think of it, to make it acceptable to punish people who don't, which includes kids but not limited to them, is not just cruel but suggests you are a griefer.
Yep. Connecting to private servers like that is actually technically illegal in a lot of countries. Same as going into an unsecured admin panel. Barely if ever enforced, but given that it's a literal crime I think it's pretty fair to ban them.
using a searchbot to hunt down, sometimes hack, and grief random private servers(mostly played on by a small 2-6 group of friends) should be a permanently bannable offense, it wouldnt solve the problem but it would feel pretty good knowing that atleast some of these kinds of guys are unable to access their own minecraft accounts that they paid for
Someone should make a "no-join list" of Minecraft IDs of players known to be griefers, hackers or trolls so that servers can automatically blacklist those players before they can even cause any trouble.
I kinda modeled this myself, however a HEAVY recommendation is that the system can be read by anyone, BUT only larger servers are allowed to edit the list, and it requires x-amount of approved votes, because otherwise, you get a repeat of what happened when server owners tried this the first time. ADDITIONALLY, IP bans.
a server i played on got greifed by the fifth colum they were pretty pathetic tho lol, guy couldnt kill me and kept flying away because my thorns was almost killing him
"Im not here to take a side on whether what they do is right or wrong" dawg what is there to defend, some losers tracked down a bunch of innocent people's things and destroyed them for no reason at all, it's not right for any purpose 😭
He is subbed to the Fifth Column and the comment section is filled with a bunch of nerds who go “🤓Acyually cybersecurity is pretty easy” and “there should be zero moderation because I want to be d*cks” he’s never unbiased
You may not see this, but on bedrock edition if u get the ban ui and delete it with cheatengineor just change the game files to get rid of the ui, you could join multi-player servers and everything again. I dont know if this has been patched yet even
@@andreaseverin1346 Yes they would, it would only give u an ui that u can delete through the files or using cheat engine! The easy way was through game files as you'd need to keep minimizing mc and opening it and rescan in cheat engine to find it.
@@andreaseverin1346 There isn't a list, it's just just a bit on your client that doesn't let you access the multiplayer tab, so if you get rid of it you can just access it again
For everyone saying "it was to demonstrate security issues": when you find such an issue and want the owner to do something about it, you 1) Don't use it to ruin other people's day 2) Contact the owner about the problem, maybe help solve it 3) Leave them alone after it's done What fifth column did absolutely wasn't it.
Who let them into the comment section. /: "Ohh don't pirate. Ohh it's Mojang's fault we can grief lil kids and ordinary people's servers" Like. Yeah their security sucks but y'all are the ones actively doing harm. If I found that kinda exploit, I wouldn't abuse it.
I would sell the exploit to someone who would abuse it! its not mojangs fault fault either, what they did was simply scan around for poor security servers. It the normal peoples fault for not enabling whitelist
The difference between old school trolling and what The Fifth Column were doing is that the older victims usually made an error of judgement themselves, which was exploited, such as publicly posting their server IP around online or trusting random players with op privileges. In the newer examples, however, the victims were doing absolutely NOTHING themselves to warrant being griefed. Like the example of Jeb and the Mojang offices, those were servers never meant to be public. They did not make an error on their part, it was an entirely outside factor. Also, old school trollers had finesse. What The Fifth Column were doing was just lazy.
That's the point though. The "outside factor" that allowed these streamers to be griefed (AND EVEN MOJANG THEMSELVES) was that the game, at its core, lacks basic server security that should exist to protect its playerbase.
@@thef1fthcolumn Ah, that’s a good point; thanks for the clarification. Honestly, game companies in general need to step it up when it comes to online security. Rockstar with GTA Online is a good example.
@@savagepanda8458 Completely agree. Rockstar might be an even worse offender but they definitely are in the same vein. It ultimately comes down to a lack of understanding for their community’s basic needs.
I understand griefing the mojang servers to bring the issue to their attention but going onto random peoples servers and griefing them is kinda retarded imo.
@@thef1fthcolumn lol, some immature imbeciles with god complex actively seek exploits and use them to ruin people's fun, and this is somehow Mojang's fault? Its like SA a woman and claiming in the court that the police is to blame for not protecring said woman
Those people are just straight up sad. They go through the effort just to destroy other peoples creations for no reason. They truly are mistakes in this world.
I dont think they should be banned . As a MC server devloper and java devloper i say Its not that hard to secure a minecraft server. the fifth coloum doesnt use NSA level zero days to "hack into" the servers. Just Do /whitelist on and when buying a mc server/vps just change the port it not that hard.
@AdwaithShan or maybe just be a decent human being? If we let one bad thing slide, we will let more and more. I'm not a fan of mojang/Microsoft moderating Java servers that they don't pay for, but these guys genuinely needed to stay bannned
@@AdwaithShanAre you done with your meat riding copy paste bullshit? Victim blaming at its finest.I have never seen something so vapid and inconsiderate
Nobody got banned from Google that was fake also getting banned from Minecraft is not even close to as crazy as getting banned on Google Also nobody has gotten banned on google
@FluffyFoxUwU Not really, you will still be able to use your email (pretty sure they can be sued if you for example lose the ability to login into government websites). You can't make accounts on Google services with that email, though.
Oh god that was 2 years ago felt there been no huge changes… in 2 years?!!! Felt like 1.16 came out only a few months ago and you say 1.19 was 2 years ago?
Honestly i think the people who hack into other people's minecraft servers to grief them should be banned. When people make a minecraft server to play with people they know, they shouldn't have to worry about being griefed by people they didn't even invite to the server. Not everyone knows how to make a server more secure, but they shouldn't be punished because of that. That's like saying if someone puts a virus on a technically challenged person's computer (who doesnt know much internet safety) and people defending the guy who put the virus on there when the government takes action against them (this isnt a very good analogy but i think you get the point). I get that people should have the freedom to do what they want in the game like griefing on people's servers that they were invited to or allow griefing, but doing it on other people's worlds who have no clue who the griefers even are by hacking shouldn't be allowed
I mean that just says a lot about how shoddy Minecraft's server security is, no? Especially with how servers don't have a whitelist by default and how most servers use the same server port. No wonder these guys can breach so many servers with hardly any effort.
@@clothieredward5248 Minecraft has the worst multi-player functionality of any game I've ever played, period. It's one thing to have slightly more technical server software based on the threshold for technical knowledge one might pass if they want to host a server for their friends... it's entirely different to put zero effort in improving the most basic accessibility for those who might not know how to use the command line or know all the settings by heart. It literally took me tens of hours, and tens of attempts to get my server into a working amd secure state. You should be able to boot up a multi-player game and start hosting within minutes, but nooooo, Microsoft/Mojang would rather charge you extra for a service (realms) that does what vanilla should already do. Also, RIP JE players. Y'all just figure it out yourselves.
@@clothieredward5248 Minecraft has the worst multi-player functionality of any game I've ever played, period. It's one thing to have slightly more technical server software based on the threshold for technical knowledge one might pass if they want to host a server for their friends... it's entirely different to put zero effort in improving the most basic accessibility for those who might not know how to use the command line or know all the settings by heart. It literally took me tens of hours, and tens of attempts to get my server into a working amd secure state. You should be able to boot up a multi-player game and start hosting within minutes, but nooooo, Microsoft/Mojang would rather charge you extra for a service (realms) that does what vanilla should already do. Also, RIP JE players. Y'all just figure it out yourselves.
That's just a cop out, Mojang could easily make it so that wasn't possible to begin with without implementing bans of all things. They somehow managed to come up with the worst possible solution to this problem.
its the server hosting services/mojangs responsibility to create a safe space for players if they want them to have that the way these "private" servers are setup right now is NOT private, they are open to the public... i dont think anyone but the people who setup the server in an insecure way should be punished for it, people shouldnt be banned from minecraft just because someone was unable to properly setup a server if mojang wants kids to have private and secure minecraft servers then maybe they should do a better job at helping them set them up properly instead of paywalling them behind Minecraft Realms
the problem is that griefiing being a reason is a poor reason, they should be banned for hacked clients and exploiting a privacy bug with listed servers being sought out with a bot
That's not a privacy bug, it's just how the internet works. It's like someone finding houses with expensive cars by just driving around and looking at driveways.
@@ccaaggexcept they tried to brute force into whitelisted servers. I've seen them do it, one lives in France while the other lives in United States. Already submitted a complaint to ic3 a few years ago for it.
@@DGTelevsionNetwork Yeah, that would be an exploit. It's completely shocking that there's no built-in fail2ban in the server software. Rapid connection attempts will never be normal traffic, so it won't cause any problems for casual players who don't know how servers work.
I feel like these players weren't griefing they were harassing. There's a difference between playing a public server and being a pest and then going out of your way to invade private servers to cause mayhem.
IMO if you are on a server that allows griefing then it's obviously fine to grief but griefing on a server that doe's not allow it is wrong and basically using a bot to gain access to a private server you are not suppose to on and griefing it is undebatably wrong
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 Well... maybe, but if you're so concerned over other players manipulating your terrain (that doesn't technically belong to anyone, as there is no such thing as land ownership in vanilla MC), play SP. Or don't play at all, lol. Or, hide your base better.
@@TheSultan1470 you are without a doubt the biggest idiot it has ever been my displeasure to interact with they where going onto private servers where everyone knew and agreed to not grief uninvited their is no justification for that
The first group of people that got banned makes a lot of sense, what they were doing was an incredible security risk and it really got brought to the dev's attention when their private server got hacked and griefed
Griefing for evil - Mojang: Ah right fine, don't do that again, *peace out and never punish them again*. Griefing for Good - Mojang: YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE-E-E-E *perma ban*
I personally do think that Microsoft / Mojang should be able to ban people if there is a severe violation that happenes in Multiplayer, but that's it. Single Player Worlds should be completely left alone *hust* *hust* _looking at you Bedrock Edition_ *hust* *hust*
Using hacked clients on server's where this is considered okay is fine, using a scanner to find private servers and use your hacked clients to grief set private servers is for sure not fine.
I think it's "great" that you call it entertainment because of the reactions of the owners of destroyed server maps... I remember that on the map I played for 2 years, where I spent around 6-8 hours a day building, I was simply destroyed by such players, believe me I wasn't amused by it I had a backup but lost interest in it and didn't play Minecraft for 4 years
Typical Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. Lets a buncha folks who clearly didn't learn their lesson go, but one guy who is actively trying to help enforce their own laws? Yeah, let's keep him behind bars. My gods.
The reason i hate 2b2t osnt its concept, but the meer fact that some of the people on that server will go out of there way to agrovate, annoy, etc other players. These people arnt just going for harmless griefing on a anarchist surver, they straight up want to ruin peoples day, ruin there hard work, and then upload it to the internet for there own pleasure. In short, dont be like these people.
If only those people would either touch grass or dedicate their efforts to something else. Oh wait, actually I think 2b2t players will find the cure for cancer if it meant getting base coordinates out of a prominent faction member who just happens to have cancer. 😂
@@TrainerGoldAltThat's what they *say* they're purpose is, but they're only pretending to be Grey Hackers, in reality they're just manchildren with a power fetish. You don't "stick it to Mojang" by ruining customers days. It's like if I hacked into a bank, stole millions of dollars from everyday people, and then went "but it's for the pewple safety 🥺🥺"
@@TrainerGoldAlt That's what they want to make it seem like I'm sure, but if you think about it for even a moment, you'll realize it makes no sense and they're really just edgy script kiddies
TBh I'm fine with trolling and griefing... as long as it's within friends. but doing it to random people minding their buisiness is just plain ass annoying
"I'm not going to say whether they were right or wrong." Dude they were so cartoonishly in the wrong it's ok to say it. Trolling and Griefing is funny but it's also just objectively bad behavior. Both things can be true.
If duper was banned for duping that's would be one of the stupidest bans Microsoft has done because he is doing it to servers which should already be banned
@@MrRosco I don’t like Griefers in general I would go for on anyone who I don’t like. Any sense of that. But these group of people annoy on a new level.
The Fifth Column has gone too far when they made the bot to find random people's ip. It's okay to grief in a server that advertised grief. But to grief a random person's server? I know that Microsoft/Mojang should've turned whitelisted on by default but still.
no it did not find ips it just looked at all possible IP's and found minecraft servers, unless you have identifiable info on server they don't know who it belongs too
@@sayorancode Exactly. Though we shouldn't expect normal people who want to play video games with their friends to know how the internet works. What's weird is how normalised running a dedicated Minecraft server is for people who don't know how the internet works. It's not like that for _any_ other game, it's just Minecraft. They need to add a way to just join friends through UPnP (like when you join someone through Steam).
Id be fine with just a incremental ban system where the more it happens the longer time it takes to wear off, for multiplayer only. I feel like there's two very big things wrong with the system as it stands. 1, it should be server based. That way if you get banned, your banned from that server, not the entire damn multiplayer system! 2, it's permanent, it should never be permanent, especially since servers already pretty much handled moderation on their own prior. In any case, i guess I'm just glad the system is as underused as it is and not more widespread. It's not as bad as it could be, at least.
@@Rand0muser2538 p'much, I genuinely wish it had never been added, but we already know Mojang won't remove it, cus they either will never admit they were wrong, or microsoft won't let em so oh well, at least it's underused if it won't be outright removed, best for everyone that all of us forget this thing exists, including mojang
Business Guy/TheDuperTrooper actually started on a MC server named Simple Survival. He was a nice guy but had some beef with people and was decently revered. It was kinda upsetting to see him become like this.
Imagine not only using bots and a mod to grief random servers but using inappropiate builds or bad ppl as an excuse to do so. They are actually violating privacy laws all over the world. If they just got on the servers and told them to use whitelists they may have been praised as the ones who truly care about server security by just showing up. But they abused the power they got and decided that instead of warning everyone, they'd grief everyone. As I heard of that thing I not only decided to let my servers never again be not whitelisted I also play on modded servers only so the fith column is definitly unable to access them. well there would have been a better way of making a statement about server security. Now everyone hates them and I hope that mojang and microsoft come to their senses and ban them of getting access to the game ever again.
I don't blame them for banning anyone who uses a security exploit to find and join otherwise private servers of randos to grief. Play mean games, win mean prizes. But Mojang is apparently stupid and doesn't understand these type of griefers.
My Microsoft account has come under suspicious activity and was logged out so i have no access to it, my xbox account and therefore my Minecraft (bedrock) account with rare cosmetics and my Minecraft dungeons. Does anyone know how i can get it back or at least be compensated for my 2 games??
5th coloum: Please, we swear we won't do it again, UWU. Moderators: Okay, you rascals. Promise? 5th coloum: Yes, pinky swear. Moderators: Here you go. 5th coloum: Fools you fell from the oldest trick in the book, Let's commit some griefing, ahaha Moderators: ...... I am not paid enough to do this.
Oh these guys joined a minecraft server for a cat server I was in on discord and griefed someone's house that wasn't land claimed yet I restored it within like 30 mins tho and they spammed their youtube channel in the chat after
The most miserable thing is ,there is still people in dungons telling you to join their discord and steal your account by asking for your email and username,which most ppl will fall for
I was okay with that greifing group doing what they do on anarchy survers, but joining and enabling others to join normal survers that they *WEREN'T INVITED TO,* and start *greifing,* is another stroy. Still, it's kind of the owners fault for not whitelisting them.
"i'm not here to say whether it's right or wrong" bro this aint some vigilante justice group whose methods are questionable but serve the right goal, it's a griefing group using a major exploit to make random people's days shitty, it's pretty easy to say that it's not a good thing to do. it's not even far from being a crime, if the exploit was taken further for more malicious reasons.
I LOVE the bs of "well look at these select servers that had questionable stuff in them" despite the fact they clearly did 2016 era "angry sjw" content. I know these people more than happily do the same stuff. But of course when 5th column does it it's "just an edgy joke."
In 2018 after a 6-8 month hiatus away from the game I found out mojang deleted my legacy mojang account. I tried to do a password recovery, but I kept getting a message saying that there is no account associated with the email address, so I then went to some of the MC profile databases/websites to see if my profile would show up there and nothing came up in the searches. Everything was wipe cleaned as if it never existed. To this day I wonder if they were doing stealth deletions on inactive accounts with the goal to get unsuspecting people to purchased minecraft with a microsoft account. I don't know what the heck was going on but it felt downright sinister on mojang part as to what had transpired with the legacy account.
That doesn't happen. You probably just misremembered a detail to your username or password. Remember that your in game name and account name are not the same. But you need the account name to log in.
@@demo2823No, they wiped legacy accounts that did not migrate. I received zero emails from mojang about the upcoming migration, only getting one during the migration process to verify I wanted to migrate to that particular MS account
P2W servers are also often large, and bring traffic to the game, so... yeah, Microsoft probably didn't like their profits being harmed. Scummy, but, corporations, am I right?
Forge/Fabric/Spigot/Paper/etc easily work around this by having their .jar download and mod the vanilla server.jar. Been that way for nearly ever IIRC.
@Aiden_and_Co it depends rlly in some other games they dont allow it because there are some unobtainable or untradeable items basically, and selling your account basically bypasses that, idk about minecraft
These situations feel like a dev just one day was watching something and randomly decided to do it because they could, without giving it the proper due dilligence. The fact that it hasn't happened again is probably because that dev is swamped dealing with other things. The thing that bothers me most is how inconsistent and opaque the process was. Mojang can't just solve every problem on their own, why are they shutting the community out...?
I find it funny how Microsoft absolutely nuked DuperTrooper's account making him unable to even contact them while the Fifth Column group got away with as little as a wrist slap
I recently got a TEMPO ban from “harassing someone” and I sent a appeal and it was denied or smth. Rlly stupid, chat reporting is actually ass. I’m also a Minecraft server moderator so it’s annoying that I can’t moderate cause some 5 year old reported me
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I got banned in bedrock for putting a swear word on an item with an anvil in singleplayer 💀
What word was it
@@Woodman34 letter - NI__
@@Woodman3doesn’t matter
you dont just get banned from bedrock, you get banned from xbox live when someone reports you.
I disabled anti swear sh1t from microsoft account, hope it works
Mojang need to make more protection for hiding streamer username with a option called " steamer mode" wich also help not getting stream sniped.
An* option not a option.
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I totally forgot you can get banned from Minecraft
It is insane how the Fifth Column got banned for their griefing shenanigans.
What's even more insane is how they managed to get themselves unbanned just by pinky promising that "they won't do it again".
And then proceeding to do the very things that got them banned without Mojang batting an eye.
Mojang moderation is truly the thing of all time.
Yeah, what a rotten, if not comedic ending
most platforms dont accept that kind of appeal
Its ultimately not very surprising. Mojang's solutions to these critical issues have always been lackluster and performative by nature. I doubt this will change until the community demands it.
not like it matters anyways, they all have alt accounts, most of em probably have at least 3 alts
Sometimes using the old appease method does work when the said banned player learned their lesson. Exceptions are of course the Fifth Column members who are strong heartedly dedicated to griefing. You can't change a heart of a person but send a message to them as a last warning.
FifthColumn were able to locate our Cobbelmon server’s IP, but since we were whitelisted, they just sent thousands of join requests to it while we were live and DoS’d it.
The solution? Just changing the port
Oh look at that, people keep saying "no actually it's to raise awareness about whitelisting" and then they do this shit when they can't get it.
@@thesun5275that is the guy with automated bots, these guys just troll for Views nothing more
Shitty dos if that's all it took to stop it lol. Any half decent script kiddie even knows how to do a port scan
Yeah, I won't defend this.
@@TURTLETIMEGAMINGOFFICIALyou sound insufferable
So these MFs can unban themself, meanwhile neither Mojang nor Microsoft are able to reinstate my Account after it randomly got deleted...
My brother’s account got hacked and it’s email changed. After showing Microsoft/Mojang the receipts he had after buying the game years back and a metric ton of evidence that shows that he was the owner of the account, instead of changing the email back on his account or helping him recover his account, what did they do? Locked it.
@@ClayDoh 🤦🤦🤦 That's terrible, Microsoft and Mojang are a joke.
If they just had more control then surely they could fix this.
Let's add monitoring on offline worlds too! That'll solve it
yay i got a segment
idk if getting a segment on this video is the most profitable shi
Yo the best duper is here
Make an appeal with a separate Microsoft account, or call Microsoft support telling them you got no explanation to why your account was permanently locked, and that you would like to make an appeal.
@@DrMontrays its just a guess, but maybe there is a microsoft employee that has a grudge with him, and that's why he's getting locked, just a guess tho, (it would be funny if it was true)
@@Talenteeror maybe account trading is against terms of service and anyone involved is subject to having all accounts associated with them banned
I have never liked the idea of chat reporting. It genuinely shows that Microsoft would like to have more control over the game, likely due to the fact that it is marketed towards the whole family now.
it doesn't even work in this game due to the nature of how servers are ran by by the community, not microsoft itself. its so counterintuitive.
having more control is justified. did you even watch the video?
@@matthewbarabas3052 It is to a point, the griefing in the video can be seen as damaging to the integrity of the game (it is all opinionated). I'm specifically talking about chat reporting though, which has been historically something that the community manages
@@matthewbarabas3052 If there ever was a good reason for Microsoft/Mojang to exercise said control, chat reporting would be an inefficient solution at best.
Minecraft always had the ability to manually blacklist certain players (and servers) from online play. Chat reporting just made it easier for malicious actors to abuse this.
It went from a game meant for everyone, to a game meant for Purley a younger audience, because that's where the money will most likely come from, and it's sickening.
Can't believe Mojang actually fell for The Fifth Columns "apology". It was clear they would continue just as before and the apology was just trolling. Even worse that they didn't even ban them after they continued.
Griefing on anarchy servers where its allowed and expected is one thing, but putting this amount of effort into finding and attacking innocent private servers of people who are not aware of this danger (and a lot of these servers probably belong to children) is a whole other level of maliciousness. They deserve to get banned forever.
Bugs my Microsoft even unbanned them then they go and ban people for swearing in chat...
@@XboxOriginal1321 Look, you can antagonize people all you want, but don't say the no-no word. The advertisers don't like it.
Mojang: "Turning kids into gambling addicts via loot boxes? It's all good. Duping items? It's all bad."
What loot boxes????
@@hton2404 99% of the bigger minecraft servers.
Nah its more from microsoft themselves
I hate griefers. Maybe it's just because I have experienced severe bullying, which harmed me in a very unpleasent way potentionally forever. Or a lot of people have a questionable humor. Still, annoying people, destroying their work, spreading hate and what not, is NOT funny. It hurts, it sucks. Watching those videos and potentionally laughing about it is NOT better than doing that.
And I see why some people do it, to "spread knowledge about server security". But this is a very harsh way of doing so.
They aren't doing it for any "just" reason. They just use excuses and shift blame to other people to gain moral highground and justify their need for superiority. Think about it: they ruin people's fun and get off from it. They aren't spreading awareness, nor they "punish" anyone, they just want to make themselves feel better by bringing other people down. It gives them feeling of control they otherwise lack. It's just pathetic, really
mann be quiet
I agree. On anarchy servers, everyone who joins knows what they're getting into, so that's perfectly fine, but when you do that to people who didn't sign for it, that's when it becomes a problem. There's no need to destroy people's creations just to say "there's a security issue". They could've reached out to the servers' owners and warn them without destroying anything. They're just pathetic people with way too much free time, I don't care how skilled they are, they're still bullies.
@@user-is7xs1mr9y exactly my thought!
Nope everyone with an IQabove 60 hates griefers, you ain’t the exception
Mojang personally banned me for breaking into their facility and attempting to code the Minecraft sex update. I just made another account so we good😬
Ah jenny mod
Dude that's so undeserved, the public needs this update
there is a opensource voxel engine called "minetest" and we will openly welcome that update and any other update (such as furry update , inflation update, (any other "special" interests people may have update) please i beg you contribute your wisdom to it
@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 the WHAT?
make a Minecraft tax evasion next
"Now, this behavior is obviously somewhat morally questionable"
Using a bot and mod to search for privates servers just to ruin the days of innocent people is just "morally questionable"? I don't think you're going to lose subs if you just call these dudes pathetic lol
Skill issue
@@TheSultan1470" skill issue " 🤓 ☝️
It's more akin to leaving your wallet outside, yes people shouldn't steal the money, but there will be people who will just get right on it and maybe even commit creditcard fraud because you left all your cards (read minecraft builds) in there. When hosting a server without a whitelist you are literally advertising to people who search for the server(wallet) to just join and do things.
lol, go ahead and think i am defending theft, and read up on how the internet works first before you say the analogy is wrong. truth is, anyone can just type in an ip address (including YOU) and join random servers if they are not whitelisted, and yes some people just join to grief, that's how the world works, like it or not
@@zuighemdanmaar752 No. Your analogy is defending a thief who got into someone's house because the owner forgot to lock the door. The door not being locked doesn't mean you are advertising others to come and rob you, c'mon what kind of mental gymnastics is that?
it's a minecraft server... not that deep
Going to people's private servers and griefing them is fucked up ngl
its funny af tho lmfao
@@愛no. it’s not.
Its even more fucked up that Mojang won't protect their consumers with better server security.
@@thef1fthcolumn yeah. whitelist should be on by default so younger kids won’t get their servers griefed and stuff. but that’s just one of the ways microsoft should improve
@@thef1fthcolumn Well both are kind of in the wrong. I don't know what you guys do exactly but i hope you're at least not targeting innocent kids who spent time building their bases just because you can.
Correction: They did not actually kill Jeb in Minecraft; it was later revealed that someone had made a fake server with fake players like Jeb and made it seem like legit (which also explains why he was "afk")
This was also confirmed officially
copium
@@sayorancode its a fact
@@sayorancodenpc.
@@sayorancode plenty what?
6:39 but what if the children are super racist?
Tell everyone they don't know what they are saying, because all children are illiterate, stupid, and don't know anything (according to people who have never seen children)
I just saw it as I read your comment
This is actually what kids of age ~12 would make when trying to be edgy.
If your wondering what we do in this situation we would still grief them as racism is not okay
Everyone knows what internet has.
12y/o are talking racist stuff jokingly because that's the trend nowadays lol
I remember this happened to me once where my server was public and they joined and went to town absolutely griefing it while I was streaming. However I ended up doxxing them, because while they kept using something to change their username when I banned them, their IP was staying the same. So I just did an IP ban on them live on stream for each of them displaying their IP address and they all had a meltdown in my chat because I displayed their IP addresses publicly as I did it in game rather then through the servers console.
LMAO
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LMAO, and they're supposed to be the ones "teaching" you about network security LOL
Notorious griefing group who gets the IPs of random individuals to troll them? Unbanned by Mojang, allowed to continue their reign of chaos.
Guy on UA-cam who takes down scummy P2W servers with in-game exploits? Banned, several times, with no possibility of getting unbanned.
Mojang truly makes some bafflingly stupid decisions, and quite often it would seem.
Scummy p2w servers which are against the Minecraft TOS, too
skill issue
@@TheSultan1470 -🤡
@@lordfirebeard8569 no, they actually dont!
in fact its perfectly fine to do it
@@shiro3146 they..... are..
reminder you can't be banned if you play a pirated version and on cracked servers
Pirating the game is illegal and we do not support that. Infact, cracked servers are far easier to grief because you can get OP with ease. We specifically target them. Buy the game.
@@thef1fthcolumnayyy...The dude themselves!
@@thef1fthcolumn It may not be legal but I believe it is somewhat moral
They make you pay for it yet you do not have true full access to it as it's practically a license
Anytime you want to play you have to log into your account and if they completely ban your account then the game is no longer playable meaning you just wasted $20
When a game is pirated typically it bypasses the need for an account and you can hop right in
It's also one of the only ways to preserve certain games as companies often care not for lesser games and will remove them or charge for them later at a unreasonable price
Look at what ubisoft did to ac liberations
It's ridiculous and immoral
They are within their rights to do it but it's immoral
Specifically targeting cracked servers doesn't seem super highly moral because it's in defense of a billion dollar company that has also filled a version of the game to the brim with micro transactions
I don't think they are hurting at all from the few hundred thousands at most compared to the millions that have payed for it too be given less true access in comparison
I actually have a mc account but for some reason am treated like I don't own java after the migration despite specifically buying it and couldn't find my receipt to prove it so I got screwed over
I should have had permanent access to the game without the need of an account or to go through them the second I bought the game
Especially when it comes to single player
Honestly its because of 19.1 that I swore to never let Microsoft have a cent from me. They can kick and scream all they want. But the fact there's even a chance of you losing the ability to play a game YOU paid for is stupid.
I hate to pirate something worthwhile. But I hate even more when a corrupt company can take away the thing I just bought. Its equivalent to someone breaking into your house to repossess your TV because you said that your neighbor isn't nice.
@@thef1fthcolumn lmao, what a sellout
No I genuinely think these guys deserve it. It's one thing to grief on a server where it's allowed, but the moment you start invading private servers and griefing them, you're crossing a line. Sure it may be unsecured but that doesn't give you the right to attack it. That's like saying "that linux server was unsecured, so I can hack it and steal valuable data." Just because the risk can be mitigated doesn't mean it isn't wrong. I hope these guys get banned again.
I bet they'll have different opinions if someone demonstrates how unsecured their own personal property is.
@@marcforrester7738 You don't show how unsecure a house is by breaking in
I dont think they should be banned . As a MC server devloper and java devloper i say Its not that hard to secure a minecraft server. the fifth coloum doesnt use NSA level zero days to "hack into" the servers. Just Do /whitelist on and when buying a mc server/vps just change the port it not that hard.
@@AdwaithShan Congrats, your job means you are the exception, not the norm, and can't represent.
Many people wouldn't realize there is more steps they should take or think of it, to make it acceptable to punish people who don't, which includes kids but not limited to them, is not just cruel but suggests you are a griefer.
Yep. Connecting to private servers like that is actually technically illegal in a lot of countries. Same as going into an unsecured admin panel. Barely if ever enforced, but given that it's a literal crime I think it's pretty fair to ban them.
using a searchbot to hunt down, sometimes hack, and grief random private servers(mostly played on by a small 2-6 group of friends) should be a permanently bannable offense, it wouldnt solve the problem but it would feel pretty good knowing that atleast some of these kinds of guys are unable to access their own minecraft accounts that they paid for
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Someone should make a "no-join list" of Minecraft IDs of players known to be griefers, hackers or trolls so that servers can automatically blacklist those players before they can even cause any trouble.
I'm sure they have throwaway accounts and spoofing tools tho.
They already tried that and it backfired.
I kinda modeled this myself, however a HEAVY recommendation is that the system can be read by anyone, BUT only larger servers are allowed to edit the list, and it requires x-amount of approved votes, because otherwise, you get a repeat of what happened when server owners tried this the first time.
ADDITIONALLY, IP bans.
These guys would have hundreds if not thousands of hacked mc accounts, and probably use a VPN anyway so they can't get dossed
a server i played on got greifed by the fifth colum they were pretty pathetic tho lol, guy couldnt kill me and kept flying away because my thorns was almost killing him
"Im not here to take a side on whether what they do is right or wrong" dawg what is there to defend, some losers tracked down a bunch of innocent people's things and destroyed them for no reason at all, it's not right for any purpose 😭
He is subbed to the Fifth Column and the comment section is filled with a bunch of nerds who go “🤓Acyually cybersecurity is pretty easy” and “there should be zero moderation because I want to be d*cks” he’s never unbiased
Literally a coward or an accomplice
You may not see this, but on bedrock edition if u get the ban ui and delete it with cheatengineor just change the game files to get rid of the ui, you could join multi-player servers and everything again. I dont know if this has been patched yet even
Do you mean that the list of banned players was hosted client-side??? This is an insanely stupid decision if true
@andreaseverin1346 most of everything bugrock does is a stupid decision imo
@@andreaseverin1346 Yes they would, it would only give u an ui that u can delete through the files or using cheat engine! The easy way was through game files as you'd need to keep minimizing mc and opening it and rescan in cheat engine to find it.
Aw hell nah...
@@andreaseverin1346 There isn't a list, it's just just a bit on your client that doesn't let you access the multiplayer tab, so if you get rid of it you can just access it again
For everyone saying "it was to demonstrate security issues": when you find such an issue and want the owner to do something about it, you
1) Don't use it to ruin other people's day
2) Contact the owner about the problem, maybe help solve it
3) Leave them alone after it's done
What fifth column did absolutely wasn't it.
I would join, leave a note for the owner with an attempt to make it obnoxiously obvious signal that this needs to be looked at, then leave.
You dropped this king 👑
Who let them into the comment section. /:
"Ohh don't pirate. Ohh it's Mojang's fault we can grief lil kids and ordinary people's servers"
Like. Yeah their security sucks but y'all are the ones actively doing harm.
If I found that kinda exploit, I wouldn't abuse it.
I would sell the exploit to someone who would abuse it!
its not mojangs fault fault either, what they did was simply scan around for poor security servers. It the normal peoples fault for not enabling whitelist
@@heheheiamasupahstarslam5397 I mean what if they didn't know? they could've done bare minimum research but even then it should be enabled by default.
The difference between old school trolling and what The Fifth Column were doing is that the older victims usually made an error of judgement themselves, which was exploited, such as publicly posting their server IP around online or trusting random players with op privileges. In the newer examples, however, the victims were doing absolutely NOTHING themselves to warrant being griefed. Like the example of Jeb and the Mojang offices, those were servers never meant to be public. They did not make an error on their part, it was an entirely outside factor.
Also, old school trollers had finesse. What The Fifth Column were doing was just lazy.
That's the point though. The "outside factor" that allowed these streamers to be griefed (AND EVEN MOJANG THEMSELVES) was that the game, at its core, lacks basic server security that should exist to protect its playerbase.
@@thef1fthcolumn Ah, that’s a good point; thanks for the clarification. Honestly, game companies in general need to step it up when it comes to online security. Rockstar with GTA Online is a good example.
@@savagepanda8458 Completely agree. Rockstar might be an even worse offender but they definitely are in the same vein. It ultimately comes down to a lack of understanding for their community’s basic needs.
I understand griefing the mojang servers to bring the issue to their attention but going onto random peoples servers and griefing them is kinda retarded imo.
@@thef1fthcolumn lol, some immature imbeciles with god complex actively seek exploits and use them to ruin people's fun, and this is somehow Mojang's fault? Its like SA a woman and claiming in the court that the police is to blame for not protecring said woman
Those people are just straight up sad. They go through the effort just to destroy other peoples creations for no reason. They truly are mistakes in this world.
I dont think they should be banned . As a MC server devloper and java devloper i say Its not that hard to secure a minecraft server. the fifth coloum doesnt use NSA level zero days to "hack into" the servers. Just Do /whitelist on and when buying a mc server/vps just change the port it not that hard.
@@AdwaithShan Oh really?? Ok, thx
@AdwaithShan or maybe just be a decent human being? If we let one bad thing slide, we will let more and more. I'm not a fan of mojang/Microsoft moderating Java servers that they don't pay for, but these guys genuinely needed to stay bannned
@C.G.Gaster Facts. Minceraft is the definition of being creative, and I hate it when people destroy that thru plaguing their builds 😔
@@AdwaithShanAre you done with your meat riding copy paste bullshit?
Victim blaming at its finest.I have never seen something so vapid and inconsiderate
Getting banned from google is wild but this is even crazier 💀💀💀
Nobody got banned from Google that was fake also getting banned from Minecraft is not even close to as crazy as getting banned on Google
Also nobody has gotten banned on google
you can be banned from google?
@FluffyFoxUwU Not really, you will still be able to use your email (pretty sure they can be sued if you for example lose the ability to login into government websites). You can't make accounts on Google services with that email, though.
@@IWontBuy-RPthey can take you're whole account down, it happened before
@@IWontBuy-RP i see, about suing part it can occur on every email provider?
#FREETHEDUPERTROOPER
#FREEDUPERTROOPER
Oh god that was 2 years ago felt there been no huge changes… in 2 years?!!! Felt like 1.16 came out only a few months ago and you say 1.19 was 2 years ago?
Just a reminder, the elytra was added 8 years ago..
@@jwalster9412 ONLY 8??? Feels like 4 eternities ago
@@jwalster9412 B R U H
remember when all the old sounds got replaced back in 1.8, or when everyone was hyped for the Mesa biome in 1.7...
@@StuffandThings_The sounds weren't replaced in 1.8. The sound update happened independent from a normal game update.
It feels like everything past 1.14 happened like last year lol
Honestly i think the people who hack into other people's minecraft servers to grief them should be banned. When people make a minecraft server to play with people they know, they shouldn't have to worry about being griefed by people they didn't even invite to the server. Not everyone knows how to make a server more secure, but they shouldn't be punished because of that. That's like saying if someone puts a virus on a technically challenged person's computer (who doesnt know much internet safety) and people defending the guy who put the virus on there when the government takes action against them (this isnt a very good analogy but i think you get the point). I get that people should have the freedom to do what they want in the game like griefing on people's servers that they were invited to or allow griefing, but doing it on other people's worlds who have no clue who the griefers even are by hacking shouldn't be allowed
I mean that just says a lot about how shoddy Minecraft's server security is, no?
Especially with how servers don't have a whitelist by default and how most servers use the same server port.
No wonder these guys can breach so many servers with hardly any effort.
@@clothieredward5248 Minecraft has the worst multi-player functionality of any game I've ever played, period.
It's one thing to have slightly more technical server software based on the threshold for technical knowledge one might pass if they want to host a server for their friends... it's entirely different to put zero effort in improving the most basic accessibility for those who might not know how to use the command line or know all the settings by heart. It literally took me tens of hours, and tens of attempts to get my server into a working amd secure state.
You should be able to boot up a multi-player game and start hosting within minutes, but nooooo, Microsoft/Mojang would rather charge you extra for a service (realms) that does what vanilla should already do.
Also, RIP JE players. Y'all just figure it out yourselves.
@@clothieredward5248 Minecraft has the worst multi-player functionality of any game I've ever played, period.
It's one thing to have slightly more technical server software based on the threshold for technical knowledge one might pass if they want to host a server for their friends... it's entirely different to put zero effort in improving the most basic accessibility for those who might not know how to use the command line or know all the settings by heart. It literally took me tens of hours, and tens of attempts to get my server into a working amd secure state.
You should be able to boot up a multi-player game and start hosting within minutes, but nooooo, Microsoft/Mojang would rather charge you extra for a service (realms) that does what vanilla should already do.
Also, RIP JE players. Y'all just figure it out yourselves.
That's just a cop out, Mojang could easily make it so that wasn't possible to begin with without implementing bans of all things. They somehow managed to come up with the worst possible solution to this problem.
its the server hosting services/mojangs responsibility to create a safe space for players if they want them to have that
the way these "private" servers are setup right now is NOT private, they are open to the public... i dont think anyone but the people who setup the server in an insecure way should be punished for it, people shouldnt be banned from minecraft just because someone was unable to properly setup a server
if mojang wants kids to have private and secure minecraft servers then maybe they should do a better job at helping them set them up properly instead of paywalling them behind Minecraft Realms
the problem is that griefiing being a reason is a poor reason, they should be banned for hacked clients and exploiting a privacy bug with listed servers being sought out with a bot
That's not a privacy bug, it's just how the internet works. It's like someone finding houses with expensive cars by just driving around and looking at driveways.
@@ccaaggexcept they tried to brute force into whitelisted servers. I've seen them do it, one lives in France while the other lives in United States. Already submitted a complaint to ic3 a few years ago for it.
@@DGTelevsionNetwork Yeah, that would be an exploit. It's completely shocking that there's no built-in fail2ban in the server software. Rapid connection attempts will never be normal traffic, so it won't cause any problems for casual players who don't know how servers work.
I feel like these players weren't griefing they were harassing. There's a difference between playing a public server and being a pest and then going out of your way to invade private servers to cause mayhem.
especially with some of the titles shown.
jesus christ they reek of idubbz/leafy era humor
@@ProshipAshton modern idubbz is just cringe. Leafy at least has a big pair unlike his clones.
the servers where public tho
@@MaoRatto that comment can be interpreted in many different ways
IMO if you are on a server that allows griefing then it's obviously fine to grief but griefing on a server that doe's not allow it is wrong and basically using a bot to gain access to a private server you are not suppose to on and griefing it is undebatably wrong
Ok lol you can just forbid griefing in a game whose primary gameplay mechanic is terrain manipulation
@@TheSultan1470just because you can deform the terrain doesn't give you the right to destroy what other people have built
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 Well... maybe, but if you're so concerned over other players manipulating your terrain (that doesn't technically belong to anyone, as there is no such thing as land ownership in vanilla MC), play SP. Or don't play at all, lol.
Or, hide your base better.
@@TheSultan1470 It was a private server dumbass
@@TheSultan1470 you are without a doubt the biggest idiot it has ever been my displeasure to interact with they where going onto private servers where everyone knew and agreed to not grief uninvited their is no justification for that
i actually had a personal server up for a day and a half and someone joined and greifed everything lol
LOL try crying to Jeb
@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 lol why would I do that 😂
This situation feels a lot like the monster school situation on UA-cam
Bro Bill Gates is banning minecraft players cuz they stole his pizza pockets
WHY ARE PEOPLE CALLING THEM PIZZA POCKETS?!?!
@@ZyteXtrabyte Wait you dont? what do you call them lol
bill gates doesnt even work on microsoft anymore
@@akagoldbud hot pockets? pizza bites? idk
@@bleh3140 I use to call it pizza bites but then I went to the grocery store and it was called pizza pocket
The audacity of trying to appeal the ban after grieving innocent private servers lmao
the audacity of people stealing my stuff when i left all my doors and windows open
@@sayorancode nice try skid outta here nga
@@sayorancode its still stealing lol
TheCringeColumn got unbanned, Mojang servers didn't get griefed, Mojang happy.
There is no war in Minecraft ~~ Mojang.
The first group of people that got banned makes a lot of sense, what they were doing was an incredible security risk and it really got brought to the dev's attention when their private server got hacked and griefed
You dropped this king 👑
I recognize one of the accounts in the ban list for the fifth column. Groundbreakr griefed our private smp once 🤣but he did a pretty crap job of it
Griefing for evil - Mojang: Ah right fine, don't do that again, *peace out and never punish them again*.
Griefing for Good - Mojang: YOU FUCKING MONSTER DIE-E-E-E *perma ban*
I personally do think that Microsoft / Mojang should be able to ban people if there is a severe violation that happenes in Multiplayer, but that's it.
Single Player Worlds should be completely left alone *hust* *hust* _looking at you Bedrock Edition_ *hust* *hust*
Finally somebody that isn’t against the concept of moderation
Using hacked clients on server's where this is considered okay is fine, using a scanner to find private servers and use your hacked clients to grief set private servers is for sure not fine.
I think it's "great" that you call it entertainment because of the reactions of the owners of destroyed server maps... I remember that on the map I played for 2 years, where I spent around 6-8 hours a day building, I was simply destroyed by such players, believe me I wasn't amused by it
I had a backup but lost interest in it and didn't play Minecraft for 4 years
He’s subbed to the fifth column and his entire gimmick is “back in the good old days we can be d*cks without consequences” tf did you expect
Typical Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot. Lets a buncha folks who clearly didn't learn their lesson go, but one guy who is actively trying to help enforce their own laws? Yeah, let's keep him behind bars. My gods.
The reason i hate 2b2t osnt its concept, but the meer fact that some of the people on that server will go out of there way to agrovate, annoy, etc other players. These people arnt just going for harmless griefing on a anarchist surver, they straight up want to ruin peoples day, ruin there hard work, and then upload it to the internet for there own pleasure.
In short, dont be like these people.
If only those people would either touch grass or dedicate their efforts to something else.
Oh wait, actually I think 2b2t players will find the cure for cancer if it meant getting base coordinates out of a prominent faction member who just happens to have cancer. 😂
isn't the point the 5th column is trying to make, its Mojang's responsibility to make sure their servers are secure
@@TrainerGoldAlt You are exactly right.
@@TrainerGoldAltThat's what they *say* they're purpose is, but they're only pretending to be Grey Hackers, in reality they're just manchildren with a power fetish. You don't "stick it to Mojang" by ruining customers days.
It's like if I hacked into a bank, stole millions of dollars from everyday people, and then went "but it's for the pewple safety 🥺🥺"
@@TrainerGoldAlt That's what they want to make it seem like I'm sure, but if you think about it for even a moment, you'll realize it makes no sense and they're really just edgy script kiddies
Bans should have stayed on the server side, never with Mojang/Microsoft
Nope people should be held accountable for the sh*t they’ve done always
TBh I'm fine with trolling and griefing... as long as it's within friends. but doing it to random people minding their buisiness is just plain ass annoying
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What about evil server owners who completely deserve it?
@@Egghead012 Just abandon the fuckin server. Easy. No one's forcing you to play there
how the hell do you get banned from minecraft ????
Probably slurring at people
Let me guess probably chat reporting 💀💀
The idea is insane, now that I think about it💀
Say night or Japan.
@I-like-sportsFR
"I'm not going to say whether they were right or wrong." Dude they were so cartoonishly in the wrong it's ok to say it. Trolling and Griefing is funny but it's also just objectively bad behavior. Both things can be true.
No?
@@TheSultan1470 Yes actually.
Time to shave with steve underwater
Make sure to use good foam
@@TheSultan1470 okay
4:00 themisterepic has gone through puberty guys this is huge
Didn't know he had b00locks
they shoulda kept them permabanned forever no appeal but now thoes grifers are just destroying everything
If duper was banned for duping that's would be one of the stupidest bans Microsoft has done because he is doing it to servers which should already be banned
6:27 Orsondmc asking why he got banned for grieving 💀
notch says then don’t grief 😂
I agree with that statement from notch👍
We can tell from your 50 other comments you made in the same hour that you don't like the f1thcolumn 💀💀
@@MrRosco I don’t like Griefers in general I would go for on anyone who I don’t like. Any sense of that. But these group of people annoy on a new level.
@@MrRoscoWho tf likes the fifth column but edgy losers with daddy issues that rage at life
#freedupertrooper
DuperTrooper is GOATed
It’s not about making children cry. It’s about the joy of grieving peoples bases💀 delusional sense of joy it’s sickens me 6:36
They got time to ban a griefer and unban him but not restore my hacked account which was created in 2013
The Fifth Column has gone too far when they made the bot to find random people's ip. It's okay to grief in a server that advertised grief. But to grief a random person's server? I know that Microsoft/Mojang should've turned whitelisted on by default but still.
no it did not find ips it just looked at all possible IP's and found minecraft servers, unless you have identifiable info on server they don't know who it belongs too
@@sayorancode Exactly. Though we shouldn't expect normal people who want to play video games with their friends to know how the internet works. What's weird is how normalised running a dedicated Minecraft server is for people who don't know how the internet works. It's not like that for _any_ other game, it's just Minecraft. They need to add a way to just join friends through UPnP (like when you join someone through Steam).
@@sayorancodegod forbid people aren’t nerds with 15 years of experience in cybersecurity get a job lil bro
Id be fine with just a incremental ban system where the more it happens the longer time it takes to wear off, for multiplayer only.
I feel like there's two very big things wrong with the system as it stands.
1, it should be server based. That way if you get banned, your banned from that server, not the entire damn multiplayer system!
2, it's permanent, it should never be permanent, especially since servers already pretty much handled moderation on their own prior.
In any case, i guess I'm just glad the system is as underused as it is and not more widespread. It's not as bad as it could be, at least.
vannila servers already have /ip-ban and /ban even before the shitty moderation system was added
there is no need for the moderation system
@@Rand0muser2538 p'much, I genuinely wish it had never been added, but we already know Mojang won't remove it, cus they either will never admit they were wrong, or microsoft won't let em so
oh well, at least it's underused if it won't be outright removed, best for everyone that all of us forget this thing exists, including mojang
As someone who fell for these scams, I see this video as an absolute win for spreading awareness.
Honestly, i feel not a single bit of sympathy for the 1st group of people who got banned.
I never liked the idea of a minecraft account being banned permanently
Business Guy/TheDuperTrooper actually started on a MC server named Simple Survival. He was a nice guy but had some beef with people and was decently revered. It was kinda upsetting to see him become like this.
Imagine not only using bots and a mod to grief random servers but using inappropiate builds or bad ppl as an excuse to do so. They are actually violating privacy laws all over the world. If they just got on the servers and told them to use whitelists they may have been praised as the ones who truly care about server security by just showing up. But they abused the power they got and decided that instead of warning everyone, they'd grief everyone.
As I heard of that thing I not only decided to let my servers never again be not whitelisted I also play on modded servers only so the fith column is definitly unable to access them.
well there would have been a better way of making a statement about server security. Now everyone hates them and I hope that mojang and microsoft come to their senses and ban them of getting access to the game ever again.
people that grief random small servers are just pathetic, they dont know what to do with their life. GO TOUCH SOME GRASS
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TheDuperTrooper ban seems kinda personal
no way bro got a sponsorship from manscaped when most mc players are 10
The manscaped sponsor is crazy
Exactly how many of the viewers here even _have_ the hair to "manscape"? 😂
@@Kwauhn. The vast majority of his viewers are teenage males so yeah, I think the sponsor ship works.
@@TakenWasTakenYT Doesn't work if you're not a man.
@@TheSultan1470 There is probably 5 biological females that watch themisterepic
Lmfao
Today's Fact: Honey never spoils - it can be stored indefinitely without going bad.
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I don't blame them for banning anyone who uses a security exploit to find and join otherwise private servers of randos to grief. Play mean games, win mean prizes. But Mojang is apparently stupid and doesn't understand these type of griefers.
No security exploit, it's just how the internet works. You need to use a whitelist or firewall if you want to control who can connect.
2:43 I believe it was debunked that it was not jeb's server.
Griefers right after 1.31 releases: “We’re baaaack”
My Microsoft account has come under suspicious activity and was logged out so i have no access to it, my xbox account and therefore my Minecraft (bedrock) account with rare cosmetics and my Minecraft dungeons. Does anyone know how i can get it back or at least be compensated for my 2 games??
5th coloum: Please, we swear we won't do it again, UWU.
Moderators: Okay, you rascals. Promise?
5th coloum: Yes, pinky swear.
Moderators: Here you go.
5th coloum: Fools you fell from the oldest trick in the book, Let's commit some griefing, ahaha
Moderators: ...... I am not paid enough to do this.
Oh these guys joined a minecraft server for a cat server I was in on discord and griefed someone's house that wasn't land claimed yet I restored it within like 30 mins tho and they spammed their youtube channel in the chat after
The most miserable thing is ,there is still people in dungons telling you to join their discord and steal your account by asking for your email and username,which most ppl will fall for
I was okay with that greifing group doing what they do on anarchy survers, but joining and enabling others to join normal survers that they *WEREN'T INVITED TO,* and start *greifing,* is another stroy.
Still, it's kind of the owners fault for not whitelisting them.
🤓Actually it’s the owners fault for trying to have fun and not being a basement dwelling nerd like me who is really good at cybersecurity. Get a job
"i'm not here to say whether it's right or wrong" bro this aint some vigilante justice group whose methods are questionable but serve the right goal, it's a griefing group using a major exploit to make random people's days shitty, it's pretty easy to say that it's not a good thing to do. it's not even far from being a crime, if the exploit was taken further for more malicious reasons.
It is a crime (unauthorised access to a computer system) and isn't an exploit, it's just how the internet works.
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I LOVE the bs of "well look at these select servers that had questionable stuff in them" despite the fact they clearly did 2016 era "angry sjw" content. I know these people more than happily do the same stuff. But of course when 5th column does it it's "just an edgy joke."
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We should get these stolen accounts and give them back to their owners!
In 2018 after a 6-8 month hiatus away from the game I found out mojang deleted my legacy mojang account. I tried to do a password recovery, but I kept getting a message saying that there is no account associated with the email address, so I then went to some of the MC profile databases/websites to see if my profile would show up there and nothing came up in the searches. Everything was wipe cleaned as if it never existed. To this day I wonder if they were doing stealth deletions on inactive accounts with the goal to get unsuspecting people to purchased minecraft with a microsoft account. I don't know what the heck was going on but it felt downright sinister on mojang part as to what had transpired with the legacy account.
Were you able to get your username back?
That doesn't happen. You probably just misremembered a detail to your username or password. Remember that your in game name and account name are not the same. But you need the account name to log in.
@@demo2823No, they wiped legacy accounts that did not migrate.
I received zero emails from mojang about the upcoming migration, only getting one during the migration process to verify I wanted to migrate to that particular MS account
account name and in-game name aren't the same
bro forgot his password
P2W servers are also often large, and bring traffic to the game, so... yeah, Microsoft probably didn't like their profits being harmed. Scummy, but, corporations, am I right?
>modded versions of the server software are not okay to distribute.
Mojang wtf.
Forge/Fabric/Spigot/Paper/etc easily work around this by having their .jar download and mod the vanilla server.jar. Been that way for nearly ever IIRC.
4:43 Click this to skip the annoying sponsor
the fact you cant sell mc accounts is bullsh*t. If you own an account, it should be your property for ALL purposes.
No company lets you sell accounts
@@MusharnaMush they should. its YOUR account. i think its unnecessary to add restrictions to LOCK YOU out of your account if you dont comply.
@Aiden_and_Co it depends rlly in some other games they dont allow it because there are some unobtainable or untradeable items basically, and selling your account basically bypasses that, idk about minecraft
@@Aiden_and_Co That's a pretty clueless idea.
jeb_ guy was not real 😂 it was cracked server on which you can be anyone.
Literally 1984
These situations feel like a dev just one day was watching something and randomly decided to do it because they could, without giving it the proper due dilligence. The fact that it hasn't happened again is probably because that dev is swamped dealing with other things. The thing that bothers me most is how inconsistent and opaque the process was. Mojang can't just solve every problem on their own, why are they shutting the community out...?
I shit my pants
Only comment of factual value.
I find it funny how Microsoft absolutely nuked DuperTrooper's account making him unable to even contact them while the Fifth Column group got away with as little as a wrist slap
I recently got a TEMPO ban from “harassing someone” and I sent a appeal and it was denied or smth.
Rlly stupid, chat reporting is actually ass.
I’m also a Minecraft server moderator so it’s annoying that I can’t moderate cause some 5 year old reported me
2:50
Going out of their way to harass others is far from "morally questionable" it's outright bullying and needs to be treated as such
You dropped this king 👑
“Looking good Steve” have me laughing 🤣