Sick veterans say VA experts wrongly reject claims related to contaminated water at Camp Lejeune
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- A CBS News investigation found questions about the qualifications of "subject matter experts" who review Veterans Affairs claims after some veterans complained that the agency wrongly denied them benefits for illnesses connected to contaminated water at Camp Lejeune. CBS News senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge reports for "CBS Mornings."
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So much for the government caring about Vets...
My friend killed himself waiting for help. I hope you all can live with that.
I was a marine recruit at Lejeune in 1957. The USMC has a record of all stationed there, so why do we need lawyers. To prove our tenure on that base???
Please the VA and United States Marine please give our veterans the justice that they deserve. My brother pass away in 2022 from throat cancer He was on that base in 1980 to 1984. His family got a lawyer went to court on August 1, 2024 his case was approved for the elective option and we are still waiting for his settlement! It’s sad that u fight and serve for ur country and get treated like u are nothing… 😮
I am a United States Marine Corps veteran I was stationed at camp lejeune all of 1982-84 and 85. I was a bulk fuelman I participated in The dumping of aviation and Diesel and gas fuels into the ground. we did not know that this was going to endanger our lives. I have suffered through pancreatic cancer and I have Parkinson's disease and I have been fighting for VA care for 4 years now. they have denied me twice. it's deny deny until you die that's their motto
Please share me your number i can help you
Anyone who work or live at camp Lejeune for at least 30 days during August 1953 and December 1987? comment down below. Let me help you with your law suit.
I believe that, All Marines that were station at Camp Lejuene (CL) who were exposed to this dangerous toxic water should all receive the U.S. Highly Decorative Military Service"Medal Of Honor" and other Military Service Medals and Ribbons for the Big Sacrifice To the CL Toxic water.
The same thing is happening with veterans who were trained and served at Fort McClellan in Anniston Alabama. We were exposed to toxic chemicals in large amounts. The VA has acknowledged that we were exposed to these chemicals but refuse to give us disability. I’ve been trying since 1999 to get proper acknowledgement and treatment for my illnesses.
We shouldn’t have to fight for something that was promised to us.
I’m still fighting!
Get your doctor or registered nurse to write a medical nexus statement with a research based rationale. A BVA judge will grant with that.
@@MrGchild14 working on it.
Fight get the DAV INVOLVED call your congressmen and representatives call write keep talking it works
I am with you. i was stationed there. Our GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO BURY THIS. DENY DENY DENY UNTIL WE DIE. @CBS NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE THIS.
Start shooting that'll get there attention
That's why I stopped going to the VA hospital because they just don't know what they are doing. There's too many doctors and nurses who never served in the armed forces working in the VA health system. And it should be our own people in there people who really care about veterans.
Keep getting emails about CAMP LEJEUNE claim lawsuit and have never been there 🧐
I get at least 10 e-mails a day regarding this, which makes this whole thing seem like a scam.....and did this government really not care about poisoning soldiers and their families for over 40 years.
Plus dont the government have the names of everyone living and working there over the years....do the right thing and notify them and make it right, instead of the way its being done
My father was in the marine corps and before he passed away he wanted to get in on one of these lawsuits but he sadly passed away of cancer in 2015 and never got the chance to see justice
Semper fi RIP
FILE A CLAIM ON HIS BEHALF. MAY HE REST IN PEACE. HIS RECORDS AND FILE WILL SPEAK VOLUMES FOR HIM. REACH OUT TO THE AMERICAN LEGION SERVICE REPS AS WELL
Sabe thing with my father 😞. Both my parents, a sister that was conceived and born there and a brother that was conceived there also. All have passed away.
Same* me, my sibling and my children are getting weird illnesses one being a rare life threatening lymphatic disease with no cure. Gene mutations. My blood boils every time I think of this CL water contamination and that they hid it for so long 😡.
@@MariaReyes-jp4lb damn I’m so sorry for your losses I know nothing will bring them back but I pray the government does some right by you and your family for all the pain they’ve caused
This Army Persian Gulf Era Veteran see's how they are after 2 denied V.A. Appeals. The system needs to be dismantled.
I was a Marine stationed at CL in the 80s. I have lesions on my skin, eyes, thyroid, and kidneys. My claim is over 8 years old. They hire SMEs to make up reasons to deny. They are not competent. Their denials are ridiculous . They want you die or lose your mind. I don’t know if the poisoning was worse or the treatment we receive in the disability claims process. I have tried to get help from organizations such as AMVETS and they have no clue and do nothing. We are treated so disrespectfully!
Go to American Legion and sign a Power Of Attorney (POA). They help but no matter what, appeal it to the Board of Veterans’s Affairs (BVA) where a judge can overrule the VA’s decision.
Make sure you file an appeal at least once a year to keep you original filing date live. If you let it lapse past a year and they later award you disability, they will not go back to the original diagnosis or filing if it expired. Can cost you $100s of thousands. I know, I received a 6 figure back pay because I kept my original filing date alive.
At least you're vaccinated right? Decades of toxic water killing your immune systems but people are worried about not taking a vaccine
Thank you for your service. I'm so sorry you're being denied. This is horrible and I can't believe the government continues to treat veterans in such a manner. I hope all the SMEs realize what they're doing is wrong and they all quit or a judge comes forward and says SMEs are not allowed to handle claims.
Same here
The VA needs to step up and do the right thing. Please stop making these sick soldiers and their families suffer.
True
“camp lejuene” is a ficticious place created for a commercial for a law firm.
My dad has pancreatitis and he was there in the 80’s. They always denied him.
One of my best friends was there for 6 years and two of his kids were severely mentally and physically disabled. One died at 2 and never walked or talked or anything. Feeding tube entire life. The water is highly contaminated and it makes no damn sense why they can’t just replumb the whole base and put new water towers in. A few million or a few hundred million in payouts
They did redo the water system in the 80s/90s. Also, dependents/employees are only covered for directly related health care.
I don't believe it. I believe Marines at Camp Lejuene are continuing to be poisoned.
I'm glad they are reporting on this. I was at Camp Lejeune from Dec 1983 to Sept 1987, and now have cancer, again.
Anyway, there's something else that isn't being reported. If you were stationed at Camp Lejeune for at least 30 days, cumulative, between 1953 and 1987, you are automatically eligible for VA Healthcare. Not sure when it became automatic, but I've been denied multiple time since 2012, most recently on 20 Jan 2022. However, this time I just kept calling -- nothing like a bit of forced free time between surgery and radiation to help you focus -- and finally spoke to someone who knew about Lejeune's water contamination. I was enrolled the very next day.
Please spread the word. Any Marine or sailor who was there for 30 days between 1953 and 1987 is automatically eligible for VA Healthcare -- no income requirement. Don't take no for an answer.
semper fi...
Sgt Don Hinton USMC (sep)
I just wanna say thank you for your service it hasn’t gone unnoticed by everyone even if our government doesn’t seem to care. my father passed away from cancer 7 years ago in a VA Hospital ICU after spending some time at Camp Lejeune while he was in the marine corps and it took them almost 6 years to find the cancer and by then it was already stage 4 so this issue hits home for me and I pray you get the benefits you’ve rightfully earned before it’s too late and I pray they stop the “deny deny deny until they die” cause that’s really what they’ve been doing for years
Thank you for your service. I'm glad you're going to get the care you need, just wish you hadn't been denied. It's horrible how the government is treating veterans. Hopefully the news sees your comment and digs deeper.
Rajah dat! Semper Fidelis and God bless you.
Semper Fi brother . You are in my family’s prayers
Ooh Rah DEVIL DOG and Semper Fi!!! Stay strong brother and thank for your service! GODSPEED!
My husband was stationed at CL in 80’s and died very young of a very rare cancer.
Killed my father. Was shocked to be with him and see it written on wall of veterans facility.
I just came across this as my nephew is there now, this scares the heck out of me. Even if the water is clean, how far will they go to cover up a mess they made. As my nephew gives his all to this place, this is how they treated veterans.
my grandfather was here, ex marine. he died 2 months ago from ALS. was an extremely healthy individual. unfortunately his life was cut short.
My Dad's bestfriend he served with and stationed here, he suddenly got cancer and deteriorated quickly over about 6months and died. R.I.P. Kenny Curtis!! From the containment in the water 100%
Waited 2 years for the VA to acknowledge our claim of Multiple Myeloma. Went to our civilian Dr to pursue treatment. Could have died waiting for the VA!!!
Thats scary 400x times the amount, they didn't even tell them
Please share this video. Hope more can help!
I was there in 1974-1975, I was apart of the Camp Le Jeune Water Study and I fully understand. I would not even attempt to file I saw the corruption.
Why wouldn’t you file?
@@janicemcallister84 Would you put you life in the hands of the VA??? I know how they treat Veterans hundreds of stories of what they did to our Veterans especially today.
@@cowtoyscbc I don’t think the VA would have any authority with your filing and compensation. Regardless, may I ask you about some of the things you experienced? Privately, if desired. I’m trying to gain more insight into the things people witnessed/experienced.
Also a Vet. I'm starting to question the quality of health care the V.A. provides. In the last 3 years I've had 3 different doctors due to turnovers. I've had my complaints ignored, communications altered from nurses to doctors, and the general feeling that there is more intrest in billing for more appointments than cureing my problems.
Yes, the whole VA system is rigged and designed to fail. Veterans have to make the system work by filing grievances and complaints against VA doctors and VA lazy staff.
Yes, that is all that the whole VA system does well is to prescribe Veterans all kind of dangerous medication to speed up Veterans dieing from liver, kidney and heart failures.
The VA Hospitals are a joke. President Trump wanted to close down the VA Hospitals because of too many Veteran complaints against the VA doctors freely and willingly engaging medical malpractice without any fear.
When you tell outside private doctors about injuries you sustain while serving active duty the private doctors tell me to go back to the VA doctors?
My dad, grandpa and uncle all drank water from there. They are now applying for consultation and my dad is going to apply for me to as I’m almost 21 and have cerebral palsy. He thinks the water could’ve contributed to that in a way
The Va system should be ashamed on how they take care of veterans! It's crazy how they get away with the stuff they pull...
It bothers me MORE that they tried to cover it up.
I was there from 77 to 81 with only 3 months away at Quantico.
Had prostate cancer that the VA dragged their feet on so my brilliant wife suggested Obamacare.
That rapid response saved my life.
We've had 2 miscarriages and my sperm test came back with anomalies and low motility.
I hope I find the right law firm for this.
Any suggestions?
Such a tragic event
I'm so sorry they had to deal with that. Keep pushing and don't give up.
I lost my husband. He was in the marines stationed at camp leguene. The VA denied our complaint advising it was not service connected. My husband had leukemia myleodyplastic syndrome and acute anemia. He passed away in June 2014. He finally got approved Nov 2017. 100 percent disabled and was service connected. We were fortunate enough to to meet the director of duke cancer institute. Every Thursday at the VA in Durham NC we would be their and that is the day that the director would come to the VA oncology unit and visit Drs and patients. The day my husband died he found out and called me and asked what he can do to prove these diseases come from benzene that was in the water. He wrote a letter to the VA and forwarded me a copy. In Nov 2017 the VA decoded that he was 100 percent disabled and it was service connected. This is a terrible system. Denied Till u die
My wife died five years ago from her exposure, we were a part of the suite but after she died I haven't heard anything from anyone about our case . I would like to hear from one and let my wife and I tell our story.
I worked around generators when I was in the Army. I have claimed Tennitus a few times now with no service connecton. The VA sucks!!!
It's the reason they hide in anonymity, they know they lie & are wrong at the VA " business " admin office. Karma will return for those crooked crony employees!!!
At least your vaccinated right? Decades of toxic water killing people but people are worried about forcing vaccines on others.
I know this story all too well. My husband filed a claim in June of 2015, we are still waiting. We had mounds of test results, studies, 2 nexus letters from 2 neurologist, genetic testing (which proved his genes were normal), etc. We had a teleconference January of 2021. We still have no answer. About 5 years ago, he was assigned an SME to review his appeal. I looked her up via the medical board; she was a convicted felon! This person was going to decide my husbands future? I don’t think so. Yes, just wait long enough, they will die. A great way to treat the people that fought for our freedoms. 😡 Semper Fi…
December of 2015 and my case is on the BVA docket after a remand back to VA due to the failure of the VA to obtain my Social Security medical records but the VA waited so long to ask the records had been destroyed. Keep in mind the Board told the VA to request the records and not whether they had kept the records obtained in a prior claim and that would be a good reason why they had not requested the records for this claim so they did exactly what the Board told them to do. The VA also used information from 2012 to deny my claim instead of Information from the 2015 IOM Review of VA Clinical Guidance for Health Conditions ...which specifically contradicts 2012 information and as of 2019 my local VA clinic had never heard of Camp Lejeune and noted in my medical records they thought I was delusional for claiming I was exposed to contaminated water.
@@marcusyelton9027 I’m so sorry. I pray that you get your claim approved. My. Husband is just getting worse month by month. Crickets from the BVA. Beyond frustrating….7 years later. 😞
Yes, I am having the same experience at a VA in Chicago that just because I continue to complaint about my neck and back pain, the VA Pain Clinic labeled me delusional or suffering from mental illness.
Me too I have been experiencing medical malpractice at a Chicago VA Hospital at the pain clinic that also labeled me having mental issues just because I continue to complaint about neck and back pain.
But they can send 40 billion to ukraine , sickening
This is a travesty. My father and mover lived in on base housing from over 18 months in late 50s at Camp Lejeune. While stationed there she had miscarriage, and less than year later lost a kidney! A few years later I lost my sister to leukemia! My dad suffers from Parkinson attributed to Lejeune nut as of today has not received one payment for all the suffering they’ve endured for almost 60 years! Death of my sister and loss of my mothers kidneys set them back years financially after his honorable discharge from the USMC.
They should have wrongful death compensation when they die of their camp lejune diease from the water
My brother has Parkinson’s due to this situation!! 56 years old and disabled. He was denied benefits many times before finally getting approved
Please share me your number i can help you
7 doctors working for the lawyer
My brother was in Camp Lejune in 19972 . He was diagnosed with cancer both kidney . He had two operation to remove the cancer . The cancer started spending to his spine and all over his body. I had to put him in hospice where he died in the month of August 24 , 2024
Inexcusable!
I had a va doctor state in my records that more likely than not my heath problems have been caused by the water at camp Lejeune. The SME general doctor disapproved my claim and dismissed the VA neurologist who has treated many veterans from Lejeune. Unreal man.
I can't stand their system. They want credit to serve those who have served. Yet someone that has no idea who you are that's reviewing your claim, and only knows you by paper is deciding "yes or no".
It looks every ambulance chaser I'd jumping on the band wagon. God bless our heroes for serving our great nation. I hope they get what they deserve. The VA thinks they bury this the problem will go away
I've had cancer twice from that mess,in 2009 and 2017. And continue to have issues.
At least your vaccinated right? Decades of toxic water killing people but people are worried about forcing vaccines on others.
@@MM-qp4pd sure am. Can't take chances with the unknown. Had 3 shots and doing fine 🙂
@@aBc-123-XyZ I have natural immunity. No vaxx. Doing excellent. All immune systems are different. Different people need different medicines. But one thing for sure - we all need clean water to be healthy. That's nothing anyone should take a chance on.
I was in Camp Lejuene for two weeks training for deployment to Lebanon at age 53 I was Diagnosed with T2 Muscle Invasive Bladder Cancer I had Surgery Did Seven weeks Chemo and Thirty seven days of Radiation treatments I filed a Claim in 2015 for disability The VA never responded back but did take away my !0 Percent disability from 1985 in which I never received a dime for.My biggest regret in life today is serving six years of my life to a country that treats their Veterans like garbage.Obama said thirty days is the exposure required he is not a doctor.You would have to be a nut job to serve these criminals The VA took that 2.6 Billion dollars and spent it on themselves.
Please share me your number i can help you
Semper Fi brother. Hopefully you all get your just deserves.
So sad
👀wait a damn minute now, I was on base as a baby but my mom said she gave me fluoride water ( baby water) my grandfather better be looking into this! He has Niropothy( I probably spelled wrong) no feeling in his feet, mostly, and his hands sometimes too.smdh he stays watching the news so I already know.
Just another reason why I'm glad I never served.
I paid attention to how many vets have been and still are being treated badly by the VA along with PTSD and other injuries.
It's a mess but I'm certain pretty much every military is this way.
Even with a nexus letter they will deny sleep apnea and unemployability (TDIU) and other such claims till the very last appeal. Then You spend years waiting for a hearing at the board of appeals. Their hope is for veterans to give up or die before they give up these benefits.
It took 2 years for the VA to acknowledge our claim of Multiple Myeloma. Went to our family Dr. to pursue treatment. Could have died waiting for the VA!!!
Everytime I see these VA doctors they always want me to draw blood. I did for a while but stopped.
Do you have any references who still suffering from cancer due to this issues just let me know we are happy to help them
UA-cam keeps asking me if I got cancer from this camp despite not even being born before 1988 lol.
It's not just Camp Lejeune, Fort Devens Massachusetts is rated a 42/100 on toxicity and Camp Lejeune is rate a 33/100 on the superfund site. My husband passed on 3/3/21 from liver cancer which was caused by the drinking water on Fort Devens.
I can tell you from experience... I am a Marine that was stationed at MCAS El Toro '78 to '82. Look up "toxic El Toro" . My case with appeals has been going on 10+ yrs! VA plays the waiting game. They sent me to a civilian OB/GYN for autoimmune disorders. Despite 3 nexus letters from 2 doctors & a California toxicologist, everything of evidence in my favor seems to be overlooked.
Lejeune's water and barracks and buildings are hazardous still. Yet no one is wanting to fix it because of funding and laziness
And this guys is why enlistment has been low
They don't care about you, they just use you, my Father retired as a CW5 Chief Warrant Officer in the military.
I assist Veterans with submitting claims. Veteran’s that submit claims for water contamination are often times denied if the conditions are not on the presumptive list. I say still submit the claims, and put the claim in appeal if it’s denied. More importantly, get your own private medical evidence from a physician that could write a medical opinion linking the condition to the containments in the water.
Yes Thank You but easier said than done.
Okay, I'll ask my brother if any of his friends were there. Thanks for the video.
Something incredibly promising is I got an AD on my phone for a lawsuit reaching out to the victims of the camp and I am hoping people get to see it and just like how my family benefited from the mesothelioma after someone from my family died from it I hope the victims from the camp are able to receive their money and are able to afford the cost of their injuries and not be forced into poverty
my husband was at camp lejeune and recently passed from small cell lung cancer. has anyone had this happen? what do i do?
I have medical problems my sister has 3 miscarriages my brother and his wife never kids she had a daughter before meeting my brother we lived in New River part of Camp Lejuene but these lawyers have done nothing for us!
CBS only scratched the surface... decades of negligence!!!
How the f did VA get to another 50% backlog??
If the water was so toxic a person would have been able to taste it, not buying this
This is absolutely sickening I am also a veteran dealing with denial of appeals and countless appt to prove my status on a different situation and they just don’t give a damn even after clear proof. We can’t live a normal life and the only thing the va thinks we care about is money that technically we are owed! We decided to protect and serve and this is how they treat us it is so insane and sad
Congratulations! You said the whole true and nothing but the true. Excellente writing.
I have been contacted by several lawyers for this lawsuit. They want 40% of our settlement. The lawyers should be ashamed of themselves that they would take advantage of our poisoning. We are Heroes, we fought for our country, and the lawyers still want to rob us and our families when we have been given a slow death sentence. I have Kidney Cancer and my Heart was effected as well. I am a 100% DAV. Retired US Marine. Contact your Congressman and tell them to apply the Federal Tort Claims Act to the fees that lawyers can charge. Be careful Marines, lawyers are ripping us off.
Yes, 40% plus and accrued expenses
@@Sept2cfm1953 be sure to contact your Congressman oand Senator. Thanks, James
I grew up in Jacksonville, NC. This is not exactly the way I wanted my hometown to get recognition. 🤦🏼
My Duke doctors told me, in no uncertain terms, (being extremely adamant), to contact an atty and the VA would need and want to hear my story!
Been sick, 17 surgeries, since only a few months at Tarawa Terrace, Camp LeJeune MCB
Watch the 2011 documentary:
“Semper Fi: always faithful”.
Its about a Marine fighting about this camp. He did this due to his daughter passing away of leukemia, after living at Lejeune Camp.
I server in Vietnam and I was exposed to Agent Orange and then I was based at Camp Lejeune from July of 1966 to March 30th of 1967. I like all American vets have to deal not only with cancer but a host of health problems. The Healthcare system for the VA is so bad now. I had to move my medication out of the VA. The Pharmacy is so bad that when you order a 30 days supply of medication, it takes 37+ days to receive that medication. The VA is hiring people who can't even count to 30. For example, You put in for a prescription let's say on O9/ 23, and that makes the refill you put in should be 10/23 for the refill to be refilled by that date. but it was put in the system as 11/04. Just do the math.
Wow
One of my friends died on a hike there 2 hr hike before chow open at 6am
The presumptive list contains conditions for people on their death bed with 3 to 5 years to live. No money can compensate you. How are you going to live on $3300 a month. Rent 1200, food 800, phone bills 120, clothing 120 utilities 200, transportation 240, health care 600.
1:32 “The U.S. Govt acknowledges, that from 1953 to 1987, nearly 1 million veterans and civilians at Camp LeJeune were potentially exposed to dangerous chemicals in the drinking water.”
It was approximately 22 years later after I left CL, that it was in 2007 the VA sent me some CL survey letter to fill out and return?
Dependents and civilian employees who were affected may get health care ( if they're lucky) but not other forms of compensation. Look up " The Few, the Proud, the Forgotten."
i have to agree that the way we handle va health care. i know of friends who served in WWII. To a bunch of friends who aerved they had pstd before it was discovered its is war shock. some of this was self treated by drinking alcohol until stone druink
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6 foot 4 and half just a hair taller than dirt harry clint eastwood. i have been up to 250 lbs and down to 142 lb (one hundred and forty two pounds. i
more later
At least your vaccinated right? Decades of toxic water killing people but people are worried about forcing vaccines on others.
I Am Truly SICK of CAMP LEJEUNE, because I never heard of It, up Until a Couple of Months ago, but now I, Along with everyone else, am Sick of Hearing about It!!!
This is SAD….
We’re committed to serve our country with pride and the country turns their back on you.
They want you to go to the hospital millions of time for evidence and they still denied your claim..
Now they are proposing new changes to even make it harder to claim tinnitus, mental health and sleep apnea.
As per a source , they want to save money and decrease the benefit to the veterans.
This is crazy my grandpa was there these men an women serve are country my grandpa jus got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer
This is why I take a knee!
The only thing worse than the exposure related illnesses is the saturation advertising by greedy law firms.
This wasn't contamination...this was a study. Do your research. It's not the first time.
Ill never let my kids join the military
Great. Going to school is better.
Smedley Butler "War is a Racket" (1933)
He said war is NOTHING BUT rich people getting richer at the public's expense.
War is literally good for nothing.
How many of you are hearing the year 1988 getting lower to 1985 which is lowering the number of people able to have a lawsuit due to health issues from being at Camp Lejeune!!!. That's not right at all!!!!!! The year changes in each commercial!!! What ever year start from to 1988 was the first commercial and if you watch the commercials on UA-cam vs. The Tv commercials the 1988 gets lower which lowers the number of people. ((Watch and listen))
Yes, I agree. The VA has to help all Marines, Navy, military family... ECT that were at CL at all times not only till 1987.
I urge affected veterans to deal with the veterans administration directly - do not employ private lawyers as they will do nothing more than get you enrolled in the VA health system, which you can do on your own, and charge humongous fees. The VA will send you an application form and information about the documents you need to get you enrolled. It is a lengthy process but, once you file a claim, the benefits, if awarded, will be retroactive to the date of their receipt of your application. Good luck to all.
Yes, that is 110% correct. Forget lawyers. File a claim and pursue it threw the VA. Don't need lawyers.
The husband was at Camp Lejune
2.5 years ago I was on a video conference regarding this issue. Someone came on line from the VA claims department unaware that the video conference was open to "outsiders" and stated that they always reject claims even if they are on the Presumptive List. A VA Lawyer asked him to repeat what he had just said and he did. The conference was paused and when it came back on the guy was gone and we moved to a knew subject.....
The really sad part was he knew the supposed Marine Corps Veterans Advocate Group was on the conference call and had no issue saying this out loud.
So much for Generals looking after their own marines
Anyone who work or live at camp Lejeune for at least 30 days during August 1953 and December 1987? comment down below. Let me help you with your law suit.
First true thing I've seen from CBS in a decade.
I was station at camp Lejeune in 1974 to 1976 denied
This is critical info that I really really am glad to know about. It reveals so much about how the government and it’s good intentions are always so trash and politically driven.
These people are blindly obedient. They worship the government, but the government doesn’t care anything about them. Having worked as a civilian at a military base, I can attest to this. A bunch of DAs.
We all know this goes way past 1987.