An excellent review, i admit i am a fan of these, neighbours up the road have the L322 and talk about a nightmare with the air suspension. I think if i wanted to go out in a blaze of glory then a P38 Range Rover is for me.
Brilliant review, Mr Lloyd, a last of the line P38 Vogue SE in Epsom Green with a beige leather interior with matching green carpets and piping, and burr walnut trim is a very smart car indeed.
@lloydvehicleconsulting Yes, that's a good point. If you think the 4.6 was slow, the BMW forbidden fuel engine is dangerously slow and underpowered. It's a case of a good car on paper with well-intended ideas, but once again, it was probably far too ambitious for the budget at the time.
@@paulie-Gualtieri.I don't understand why the budget would have been a problem when they couldn't build Defenders and Discoveries fast enough . 1990s Land Rover Discoveries hardly lost anything in Depreciation and owners simply replaced them with another one for very little outlay. Land Rover should have been in a very strong financial position in the early 1990s.
Interesting review. I own a very similar model (2001 4.6 Vogue). Bought with care, they're actually very good cars. People forget these are a design that's over 30 years old now and unfairly criticise them. Were they trouble when they were released... in some cases, yes. But how many cars of a similar era were using body control modules and integrated electrics? They had issues which mechanics at the time didn't have experience of and so struggled to fix. Compare these to modern cars and they're extremely simple. How many early BMW 7 series do you see on the road? How many Mercedes S-class' do you see out and about or other luxury contemporary cars? The answer... almost none. P38s have lasted in far better numbers than many of their contemporaries. I think it's a shame to jump on the band wagon and call them unreliable and poorly made. The example above has done 160k+ and looked like it all pretty much worked and was in good condition bar some broken plastic and a spare wheel well handle. Once again, I enjoyed the review but wish people wouldn't keep tarnishing them with a reputation they unfairly got 25 years ago.
The Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-Series models that were being produced around the time this car was sold (2002) were absolutely horrendous for a number of complicated faults, rust, and all sorts of other things, you are absolutely right! The S-Class in particular also suffers from suspension issues, and there are plenty of terrible examples out there. I can't remember if I mentioned this in the video, but I spoke to Mr Coleman, who works on our cars, before I drove the P38, and his father was actually on the original development team for them on the 1990s. He actually quite likes them, but he said the same thing as many people do, which is that you need to buy them quite carefully. Lots of them have been neglected over the years, as they are quite complicated, and their values have been quite low, so many people couldn't afford to, or didn't wish to, invest in looking after them properly. This one, as you say, isn't too bad for a 22 year old luxury car.
@@lloydvehicleconsulting exactly as you say, when values drop to a point where fixing them dramatically outweighs their value, that's when bodges start to creep in. If it's one thing you don't do with a P38, its bodge it. Either way, nice to see them starting to get a little more representation. Hopefully given time people will begin to forget about their reputation when new and appreciate them for what they are. Mine is in daily use and despite being thirsty is no more troublesome than any other car i've owned.
Yes, I can't imagine your 4.6 is any less economical than the one I drove. It's a very common problem with older luxury cars that subsequent owners decide not to look after them properly as they depreciate, and the P38 seems to have become the poster child for this. The owner clearly loves this car, otherwise I don't think he would have got one!
I admire the thought and preparation that you put into your reviews, particularly seen here in this enjoyable and watchable upload for members. Thank you very much.
The members deserve to see them first, sir! It was a particularly scenic location to have a go in this infamous P38. I did have to go a long way for it, but that is OK.
Goodness, I believe that when BMW saw the P38 they were horrified with the product they now owned, they kicked off wholesale changes for the next model, to me it looked a good step forward from the original range rover, its probably the last real "British" Range rover
Yes, not a massive amount of BMW influence in these, particularly the early ones. They did start to develop the L322 quite early on in the P38's life from what I understand.
A lot of people love them Joseph as being slow depends on how many horses have escaped the future for them is TATA plans to go all electric just like Jaguars a British Car lost through the demise of the industry by the Clackson still has his and uses it good video thank you and best regards Andy Allen.
Yes, Jeremy Clarkson has an L322, I believe, not a P38. I spoke to Mr Coleman about this particular car after I drove it, and apparently the 4.6 models are quite slow in general....
@@lloydvehicleconsulting Thank you for sharing this Matt at High Peak Auto's has a P38 which he describes as sporty when he drives it I guess it depends what you think is sporty lol best regards Andy Allen.
Blimey sir, an opulent smorgasbord of beige, but I doff my top hat to anyone running a P38 in 2024. It's a handsome beast but your review shows why there are very few impoverished JLR specialists.
Sir, the owner does have other cars, but he does quite like using this, and I do understand why.... I am not sure that I am that brave, though! Thank you again for watching and commenting.
That would be a nightmare of a vehicle for me to maintain. So many electrical systems, so little confidence that they will work.
We decided we had to have a go in one of these despite their reputation. It did not disappoint on various fronts....
Hello Joseph , I remember seeing a P38 parked next to a L405 and it looked tiny ! I also do enjoy a railway viaduct very much , well done Sir ! .
Yes, absolutely, the L405 (and the new model) are much bigger than one of these. I thought I may as well film the video somewhere scenic, sir....
An excellent review, i admit i am a fan of these, neighbours up the road have the L322 and talk about a nightmare with the air suspension. I think if i wanted to go out in a blaze of glory then a P38 Range Rover is for me.
Ah yes, sir! A blaze of glory would be right. It was quite interesting to finally try one of these. Goodness knows how much these things cost to run!
Brilliant review, Mr Lloyd, a last of the line P38 Vogue SE in Epsom Green with a beige leather interior with matching green carpets and piping, and burr walnut trim is a very smart car indeed.
Sir, in a perfect world we would have such things, but alas we do not live in a perfect world, and the P38s are far from it.
@lloydvehicleconsulting
Yes, that's a good point. If you think the 4.6 was slow, the BMW forbidden fuel engine is dangerously slow and underpowered. It's a case of a good car on paper with well-intended ideas, but once again, it was probably far too ambitious for the budget at the time.
Sir, what don't we talk about on this channel...?
@@paulie-Gualtieri.I don't understand why the budget would have been a problem when they couldn't build Defenders and Discoveries fast enough . 1990s Land Rover Discoveries hardly lost anything in Depreciation and owners simply replaced them with another one for very little outlay. Land Rover should have been in a very strong financial position in the early 1990s.
Yes, Land Rover was one of British Leyland's most profitable divisions for a while, as far as I recall.
Interesting review. I own a very similar model (2001 4.6 Vogue). Bought with care, they're actually very good cars. People forget these are a design that's over 30 years old now and unfairly criticise them. Were they trouble when they were released... in some cases, yes. But how many cars of a similar era were using body control modules and integrated electrics? They had issues which mechanics at the time didn't have experience of and so struggled to fix. Compare these to modern cars and they're extremely simple. How many early BMW 7 series do you see on the road? How many Mercedes S-class' do you see out and about or other luxury contemporary cars? The answer... almost none. P38s have lasted in far better numbers than many of their contemporaries. I think it's a shame to jump on the band wagon and call them unreliable and poorly made. The example above has done 160k+ and looked like it all pretty much worked and was in good condition bar some broken plastic and a spare wheel well handle. Once again, I enjoyed the review but wish people wouldn't keep tarnishing them with a reputation they unfairly got 25 years ago.
The Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-Series models that were being produced around the time this car was sold (2002) were absolutely horrendous for a number of complicated faults, rust, and all sorts of other things, you are absolutely right! The S-Class in particular also suffers from suspension issues, and there are plenty of terrible examples out there. I can't remember if I mentioned this in the video, but I spoke to Mr Coleman, who works on our cars, before I drove the P38, and his father was actually on the original development team for them on the 1990s. He actually quite likes them, but he said the same thing as many people do, which is that you need to buy them quite carefully. Lots of them have been neglected over the years, as they are quite complicated, and their values have been quite low, so many people couldn't afford to, or didn't wish to, invest in looking after them properly. This one, as you say, isn't too bad for a 22 year old luxury car.
@@lloydvehicleconsulting exactly as you say, when values drop to a point where fixing them dramatically outweighs their value, that's when bodges start to creep in. If it's one thing you don't do with a P38, its bodge it. Either way, nice to see them starting to get a little more representation. Hopefully given time people will begin to forget about their reputation when new and appreciate them for what they are. Mine is in daily use and despite being thirsty is no more troublesome than any other car i've owned.
Did a variants of this have a BMW engine in ?? Or am I thinking of something else?
Yes, I can't imagine your 4.6 is any less economical than the one I drove. It's a very common problem with older luxury cars that subsequent owners decide not to look after them properly as they depreciate, and the P38 seems to have become the poster child for this. The owner clearly loves this car, otherwise I don't think he would have got one!
I admire the thought and preparation that you put into your reviews, particularly seen here in this enjoyable and watchable upload for members. Thank you very much.
The members deserve to see them first, sir! It was a particularly scenic location to have a go in this infamous P38. I did have to go a long way for it, but that is OK.
Goodness, I believe that when BMW saw the P38 they were horrified with the product they now owned, they kicked off wholesale changes for the next model, to me it looked a good step forward from the original range rover, its probably the last real "British" Range rover
Yes, not a massive amount of BMW influence in these, particularly the early ones. They did start to develop the L322 quite early on in the P38's life from what I understand.
Big very comfy cruiser , a tidy fortune could vanish rather quickly !
Got to watch these for issues, but I quite enjoyed it nevertheless.
A lot of people love them Joseph as being slow depends on how many horses have escaped the future for them is TATA plans to go all electric just like Jaguars a British Car lost through the demise of the industry by the Clackson still has his and uses it good video thank you and best regards Andy Allen.
Yes, Jeremy Clarkson has an L322, I believe, not a P38. I spoke to Mr Coleman about this particular car after I drove it, and apparently the 4.6 models are quite slow in general....
@@lloydvehicleconsulting Thank you for sharing this Matt at High Peak Auto's has a P38 which he describes as sporty when he drives it I guess it depends what you think is sporty lol best regards Andy Allen.
It's definitely not sporty, sir, not unless it was modified, of course.
Blimey sir, an opulent smorgasbord of beige, but I doff my top hat to anyone running a P38 in 2024. It's a handsome beast but your review shows why there are very few impoverished JLR specialists.
Sir, the owner does have other cars, but he does quite like using this, and I do understand why.... I am not sure that I am that brave, though! Thank you again for watching and commenting.
2nd
Well done, sir! I hope that you enjoyed the video.
will the timeing chain snap iv got the power lol
The list of common faults on these is quite long, sadly...