Loon came into the shop today wearing a Fall T shirt. I asked if he'd been to any gigs (he was at least 20 years younger than me) and he said it was his life long regret that he'd never seen The Fall live. When I said how many times I'd seen them live, he just said, RESPECT!! Was a lovely MES fan bonding moment.
Way back, I played Dragnet, and my mum heard it. She said that the songs could be hits, if they didn't sound so horrible. sums up the appeal of the Fall really. Hope your liver goes on forever Mark. Cheers!
@@vollsticks every now and then I go on a Fall night and post some of what I think of Mark's most accessible songs to my FB. None of my friends ever respond... in Mark's words... what dicks!!
i think mark comes from the sort of working class northern pub culture where you laugh at anything if someone is trying to make a joke. i think mark knows that everything hes saying isnt hilarious but its just what people up north do.
MES passing was the saddest I ever was about someone dying that I had never met or known. I still cannot listen to the few albums I have not heard. I like knowing I have not reached the end. Yet.
Felt the same way about Bowie, though I was also really sad when MESmith went too.. The difference being I was a huge fan of Bowie, very familiar with his discography, but I had only just began to dive into The Fall’s music, and understand how unbelievably brilliant it is, and only was aquatinted with a small chunk of MES’s discography when he passed.. Still, I knew it was the loss of a legend.
Great interview John your laid back style carried it along nicely. And he's right, no one could sound like the Fall. A great band with great songs that still sound fresher than a lot of the newer bands do today
I met him on Deansgate Mcr in 2010 and seen him head over to the Sawyers Arms for a quick one and he was back out and I got chatting to him and he signed my evening news to my cousin with a funny message on it.He was warm,engaging and he could of talked for hours...
I have to laugh because on two occasions in the 80s, I played a cassette tape for people, claiming that it was “my band”; one was ‘Sister Ray’ by The VU, and the other was ‘Tempo House’ by The Fall!
@@jwardbass4452 They seemed very indifferent; I figured they didn’t want to offend me because we had mutual friends, but I honestly think they were unimpressed by the LO-FI quality of the recordings, which is what fundamentally adds to to the charm and brilliance of these tracks. I was a silly teen at the time..
I want to add that I’ve been fortunate to see ‘The Fall’ five times; the first time was in L.A. for ‘The Frenz Experiment’ tour up until ‘99 at Reading Festival. But I did get to see them in ‘93 at the Roxy (Whiskey?) on Sunset Blvd. on me birthday. Absolutely brilliant.
When I first met my wife-to-be (in the 90`s), she had heard of The Fall (due to a mention or two by Stewart Lee of Lee & Herring fame at the time) but never heard any songs. I played her the compilation CD "The Collection" - she told me that they were better than she had imagined, but strangely enough has never voluntarily listened to another track since...
Hilarious. Don't really like the music, bar a handful of tracks, but MES is always a delight to listen to. A true original and box office entertainment.
I love when I understand what Mark would say. He is one of the English speakers that I still need translation into something intelligible. I think he was really charming and funny, but so insular and in his own universe. It’s fun to try to make up some meaning though of his ramblings.
one of the best things is he still lives in England somewhere not in America, where Lydon moved to way back. Very few people in bands even then were even slightly working class or knew anything about it. Strummer, the people who write the history, Jon Savage, make the films, Julian Temple.
The 'kiss of death' on dates was a real thing. My first wife was dating a Tom Waits fan (who ironically I later became a big fan of). After I played some fall (a LOT) she was like "oh God another boyfriend likes nutjob music". I hereby ban you from playing that song "Talk a Lotta Windows" at our wedding. Mark as a double glazing salesman. Yes, yes please. EDIT "Huckleberry's Daughter" also banned.
The thing people never got about MES was, at his core, he just a regular bloke you'd meet anywhere. The thing that made him so great was his natural ability to be undeniable in his trade and art. I like to see him a plumber or a bricklayer, just so happens he was a musician instead.
This is definitely the friendliest interview he's ever done.
"Have you been watching The Great British Bake Off?" Is probably the best question ever put to Mark E Smith
Fantastic answer given though. I can see Mark in some gangster's house. Buying base and watching day time tv with the fellas wife.
That-ah is-ah soggy bottom-ah!
Brilliant 😂
@@comeonyouyellows and I love the way that one question sparked a whole conversation!
'There's never going to be a Fall tribute group, because nobody can do it' Truer words were never spoken. RIP
pavement
fat white family?
Who would want to?
True. Must say I never heard good Fall cover. Maybe PJ Harvey did OK with "Janet & Johnny+James"..but just OK.
actully when I was in the US, after MES death...a tribute band came out played 1hr 25. pure er
every pub in the uk used to have a guy like this ....it was mandatory in those days.
'in those days', you'll only glorify this shit if you haven't had to experience it up close.
“I drink and I know things”
@@kgatlw9134 why are most Fall fans snobby Guardian readers? He hates people like them
But none of them could write fall hits
@@owenmartin3307 The Fall couldn't write The Fall hits neither.
Mark E Smith was a true original. What a musical legacy The Fall leave behind them. Nothing else like it out there.
"Vampirism... its a crime at the end of the day"
One of the funniest people to ever live. What a man.
And to think this bloke is one of the most influential artists of the 20th century. True legend.
I think this is the greatest interview (of anyone) ever. Have watched it so many times
"Vampirism is at the end of the day, a crime"
ikr
hahahaha
I wish I'd said that.
I wish that had been the tag-line for Twilight.
a crrrrime!
Loon came into the shop today wearing a Fall T shirt. I asked if he'd been to any gigs (he was at least 20 years younger than me) and he said it was his life long regret that he'd never seen The Fall live. When I said how many times I'd seen them live, he just said, RESPECT!! Was a lovely MES fan bonding moment.
Way back, I played Dragnet, and my mum heard it. She said that the songs could be hits, if they didn't sound so horrible. sums up the appeal of the Fall really. Hope your liver goes on forever Mark. Cheers!
It didn't
Pissing myself at your comment. "They could be hits, if they didn't sound so horrible" is an incredible summation of The Fall's oeuvre
@@vollsticks every now and then I go on a Fall night and post some of what I think of Mark's most accessible songs to my FB. None of my friends ever respond... in Mark's words... what dicks!!
They sound great to me.
“Vampirism is a crime at the end of the day, isn’t it?” Brilliant.
I had a housemate like Mark E Smith, endless stories and opinions, it was awesome :)
Can you imagine being stuck between feigning laughter every time Mark does or disappointing one of your music heroes?
i think mark comes from the sort of working class northern pub culture where you laugh at anything if someone is trying to make a joke. i think mark knows that everything hes saying isnt hilarious but its just what people up north do.
What an absolute legend. John is just so overwhelmed by his greatness,he can barely ask a question. All he can say is "Yeah... Yeh...yah".
I think he's just a bit sad that his hero had become a fucked-up alcoholic.
I mean thats about the best you can hope for
Mark E Smith cracks me up. He castigates people with generalisations, and cackles with laughter. Leave no-one unblasted!
I keep coming back to this, it’s so brilliant only John Doran could get MES giggling like school boy, treasures, love both of them.
"I can't understand why anybody would wanna watch Somebody cookin a fuckin meal."
RIP Mark a one off genius we will never see his like again. So many bands tried but none could emulate The Fall.
“They can imitate, but I Teach.” - The Hip Priest
I could listen to him chat all day! Cracks me up. RIP Legend
Funniest thing I've seen for ages, Mark is a natural.
Mark was on form, that day. Very enjoyable.
I could listen to this convo once a month easy. Perfect work jon and RIP MES
This just put the biggest smile on my face
Mark loves a bit of banter, some people just took it the wrong way, but I always enjoyed his interviews no matter what.
MES passing was the saddest I ever was about someone dying that I had never met or known. I still cannot listen to the few albums I have not heard. I like knowing I have not reached the end. Yet.
Felt the same way about John Martyn.
Felt the same way about Bowie, though I was also really sad when MESmith went too.. The difference being I was a huge fan of Bowie, very familiar with his discography, but I had only just began to dive into The Fall’s music, and understand how unbelievably brilliant it is, and only was aquatinted with a small chunk of MES’s discography when he passed.. Still, I knew it was the loss of a legend.
The captions for this are hilarious. RIP Mark you crazy mental genius
Listening to The Fall's records is like panning for gold.
He got a lot of mileage out of being a docking clerk for six months when he was 19.
Underrated
Great interview John your laid back style carried it along nicely. And he's right, no one could sound like the Fall. A great band with great songs that still sound fresher than a lot of the newer bands do today
Mark would be proud of us!
Made my day. MES is a living treasure.
I love how Mark consistently fucks up the names of his own songs...such a character.
I feel drunk watching this.
The Fall when I started hearing music as opposed to just listening ✌️
Spot on. And who was is who made the Fall available to anyone outside Manchester? The late great John Peel
@@claredavies764 Amen to that sister ✌️
"I can't understand why anybody wanna watch somebody cooking a fucking meal. Do you?" LOVE him.
MES was such a lovely, funny geezer. The world is so much poorer without him in it
Lovely is a stretch, but yes, funny
MES was a true one off. It’s sad there will be no more Fall albums.......... but what a legacy 👊💥
There must be shed loads of unreleased tape
Is this the best interview ever? Yes, yes it is.
I met him on Deansgate Mcr in 2010 and seen him head over to the Sawyers Arms for a quick one and he was back out and I got chatting to him and he signed my evening news to my cousin with a funny message on it.He was warm,engaging and he could of talked for hours...
The best musician, 'with a laymens ear', of all time.
My favourite interview of all time
One of the best interviews ever!
This is a really good interview. Dude did very well to get MES to lower his guard. It mostly worked.
No kissing arse, a few questions out of nowhere, playing along but only in the service of having him talk more... I keep coming back to this one.
John Doran is great at these, he asks decent questions, questions that you haven't heard umpteen times befiore.
I was worrying about my drinking at 24 years old, but if it's good enough for mark, it's good enough for me
"I can't understand why someone would watch someone cook a fuckin meal" this man is god
I have to laugh because on two occasions in the 80s, I played a cassette tape for people, claiming that it was “my band”; one was ‘Sister Ray’ by The VU, and the other was ‘Tempo House’ by The Fall!
And what did they say?
@@jwardbass4452 They seemed very indifferent; I figured they didn’t want to offend me because we had mutual friends, but I honestly think they were unimpressed by the LO-FI quality of the recordings, which is what fundamentally adds to to the charm and brilliance of these tracks. I was a silly teen at the time..
I want to add that I’ve been fortunate to see ‘The Fall’ five times; the first time was in L.A. for ‘The Frenz Experiment’ tour up until ‘99 at Reading Festival. But I did get to see them in ‘93 at the Roxy (Whiskey?) on Sunset Blvd. on me birthday. Absolutely brilliant.
I've subscribed on your opening gambit before you've even met Mark . . . I think I'm going to enjoy your channel ;-)
no interview has needed subtitles more
great one tho
let me guess yer a yankee , cant seak yer own fuckin language
It could always be worse; Bob Dylan could be conducting the interview.
Mancunian.....subset language
Four Libras are a Fall tribute band. There's a few around
Smith belonged in the Victorian era. He was a throwback to a lost age.
I was wondering what Chris Noveslic was doing these days
politics
*krist
check him out.hes doing fine
That's a bold Syrup he's wearing though.
Don't think some got the joke 🙄
When I first met my wife-to-be (in the 90`s), she had heard of The Fall (due to a mention or two by Stewart Lee of Lee & Herring fame at the time) but never heard any songs.
I played her the compilation CD "The Collection" - she told me that they were better than she had imagined, but strangely enough has never voluntarily listened to another track since...
I played Extricate to my gf in 90's, she'd never heard of them. 22 years later its practically all we listen to.
Bloody hell! How old is your girlfriend now then?
Both early forties.
Ann - Yes, old people can have partners too...! :D
please someone,anyone,we need subtitles for these glorious piece of film
It's unfortunate we couldn't get Chief Keef and Mark E Smith in the same room tomorrow
I love him laughing hysterically about Black Francis sleeping on the couch 😂😂😂 I laughed too as soon as he said it
God bless Mark E. Smith. Legend
God I miss that man. National Treasure
Excellent. His sense of irony is waaay above what people can deal with .
John Doran is in fact a Steve Coogan character. I'm inspired to create my own The Fall tribute act with Mark cursing me from the other side
'It's all coppers and food' is so, so good
It's good that around 0:45 MES looks as bewildered as John Doran does for the rest of the interview.
Gotta love him
Is the interviewer Dave Hill from Slade?
Bill Oddie needs security guards to walk him to his car in Salford.
Mark riffs his own interview. Nice.
Loved Mark’s collaboration with Damon Albarn’s Gorrilaz on the song Glitter Freeze. RIP Mark
😂
"Tempo House" = the ultimate Fall song.
Mark E. (cha-cha!)
We'll never see his like again...world were better with a dissenting voice in it
The interviewers face when he realises how mashed MES is. Looks fucking terrified.
Mark E. Smith should’ve been a stand-up comedian.
Suggestion if I may, dump your entire setup for an entire series of Mark E Smith interviews.
Hilarious.
Don't really like the music, bar a handful of tracks,
but MES is always a delight to listen to. A true original and box office entertainment.
a film about John Donne with music by the Fall, by all means.
RIP Legend
I love when I understand what Mark would say. He is one of the English speakers that I still need translation into something intelligible. I think he was really charming and funny, but so insular and in his own universe. It’s fun to try to make up some meaning though of his ramblings.
RIP Mark !
Good lord yes, but what I wouldn't give for some subtitles right about now...
Evidently the deal was: free beer and I'll do your interview
Mr Mark EDWARD Smith ,Real R.I.P．Ｉ love the Fall's ＣＤ,BBC radio1;LIVE in Concert ,from Tue M.
Godspeed, Mark.
'Lager's a hell of a drug...'
"He replaced the fookin' lesbian, dinny?"
lmaoaooo
So good. 😂
Always loved Mark E Smiths Straight Talking
Dear john, Nick Saloman and Richard Thompson are terribly missed at this series!!!
"...that's the real estate agents' job, innit?"
His talking gets more clear the more he gets pissed about the BBC lmfao
Zippy's let himself go a bit. Mark E how I love you, how I love you My dear old Mark E....
one of the best things is he still lives in England somewhere not in America, where Lydon moved to way back. Very few people in bands even then were even slightly working class or knew anything about it. Strummer, the people who write the history, Jon Savage, make the films, Julian Temple.
"Be Less Beastly" Lol!!!!! Classic!!!! MES Was Fantastic as was The Fall. We have the Records for All Time.("Dick Head singer, Black Francis "Yup.)
John Doran: “ what the fuck was I thinking?”
Having said that, I find this interview both hard to watch and quite hilarious at the same time.
Miss him.
The 'kiss of death' on dates was a real thing. My first wife was dating a Tom Waits fan (who ironically I later became a big fan of). After I played some fall (a LOT) she was like "oh God another boyfriend likes nutjob music". I hereby ban you from playing that song "Talk a Lotta Windows" at our wedding.
Mark as a double glazing salesman. Yes, yes please.
EDIT "Huckleberry's Daughter" also banned.
He asks John a hundred times ‘you know what I’m sayin’?, ‘yeah, yeak’ whilst not having the foggiest
'Do ya know what I'm sayin'?'
*'Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.'
*No
There is a cover band of The Fall in Toronto called Mr.Pharmacist, they're actually great!
He's a pure fucking treasure. I wish he was around to see what's happened to the world today. Only the boring ones make it to old age.
The thing people never got about MES was, at his core, he just a regular bloke you'd meet anywhere. The thing that made him so great was his natural ability to be undeniable in his trade and art. I like to see him a plumber or a bricklayer, just so happens he was a musician instead.
the interviewer did well to carry out an interview with an alcoholic.
8:30 'When we were kids, the daytime TV was good, won' it? It was like f*cking really sh*t, and f*cking really bad. It was good, though'
Interviewer seems like a nice genuine bloke. Succeeds in revealing absolutely nothing about the Fall or Mark.
have you watched the great british bake off?
........... no?