Neural DSP was very very good. What about cleans and crunch aka fender / vox? --- these plugins aren't so good.for that Kemper and Quad Cortex (when it comes) do change that a bit, but amp in the room is very different (unless you have Kemper with Kemper Kones - like I do).
I used to be a diehard amp fanatic and swore I would never mess with sims after a couple early experiences. These days, I gotta agree with you - I (like many) have a room of tube amps that really don't get much play anymore. This one needs an attenuator to sound decent, that one needs a new set of tubes, etc. With plugins, its the same plug-and-play great tone every time.
I remember trying Amplitube 4 and there a latency thing going on (sounded good though). In your experience is that generally the interface and/or settings?
I think latency with amp sims has to do with the processor speed of your computer - some amp sims use a lot of CPU...I know AmpliTube can chew up a lot of CPU because there is so much to it...the Neural plugin seems to be more streamlined and uses very little CPU in comparison which means you have way less latency. You can try changing the settings but if it gets to a point where your computer can't quite handle it thats when you get kinda glitchy sounds and you may get system overload messages
i think they did that as part of internal oversampling (shame you can't turn it off, IK should look at it), which seems to be the case with some t-racks plugins that introduce saturation/distortion.
I used GGD's Zilla Cabs with my Amplitube Soldano and it sounds a whole lot better than the cab supplied by Amplitube. I strongly recommend bypassing the amplitude cab.
I subscribe to STL's monthly amphub and it doesn't come close...Neural blew the cover off, knocked it right out of the park imho...and amongst decades of acquiring amps I've had a Soldano head since graduating HS in '87. Your mileage may vary. Regards.
To be fair...this morning I setup a DAW channel w/ IK SLO running thru the Neural SLO w/ the Neural's amp on bypass (so using the Neural's IRs/post). This gives the best A/B compare....still not close dynamically. I can share a StudioOnev5 project w/ all the SLOs from various vendors populated if it would help, but easy enough for folks to do on their own. Besides Neural's version, THU's Big Hairy Saldano pack is also fantastic...but Michael is a real pro anyway, check out his channel too.
@@francoovs The Andy James plugging is really good. That's the only one I've tried so far. Save every coin for Neural Gojira and Soldano, those are to gold standard righ now.
Neural DSP have finally produced something that will give them the place they deserve !! With all there previous releases, it wasn't really possible to put their tones head to head with other plugins. This time with the SLO 100, I can see everyday new videos on UA-cam, Neural DSP vs HX Stomp or vs AXE FX etc and everytime Neural DSP is just mind-blowing. It's a fantastic time for Guitar players!!
I really thought Amplitube was the stuff but this plugin is mind blowing. Who needs 20 different amp modelers when you have one that is so versatile and sounds very very authentic.
I just filmed another video with those plugins and changing the cabinet in AmpliTube made such a huge difference ...I don’t think the cab that’s part of the SLO presets (Metal TI or something) sounds very good...I changed it to one of the Engl cabs and it was instantly better!! There a video with that coming out shortly
I have the Amplitube version and it’s good for a free sim with a lot of options. But the Neural version is next level. I may need to buy it. It seems very versatile.
Amplitube sounds like the distortion you have at home, and you always wonder would the more expensive option be worth it, but can't justify the price cos the one you have is good enough. I feel like the Neural is like pulling the trigger on the one you always wanted lol
I did...Part two will be out early next week...I swapped out speakers in Amplitube and then also used the Two Notes Wall of Sound so both plugins use the same IR...I also added the SLO style amp from STL AmpHub to the mix
One thing, In Amplitube 5, before the first patch update, a lot if the cabinet mikes defaulted to the far edge of the speaker. I am betting that is why these sound so muffled. Took me awhile to figure that out, but after the fix Amplitube sounds very very good!
Are the speakers in the cabs the same? 90% of the sound, you can get Amplitube to match anything. Not many plugins give you half the options IK does in my opinion
Yeah very true...the ability to change every speaker in the cabinet is something I’ve never seen anywhere else before...there is almost a bit too much choice - information overload!! The speakers in the video were different...I just used the speakers/cabs that came as part of the preset! I have a new video coming out shortly where I used the same IR for both plugins and it made a huge difference!!
I think a lot of people get it wrong trying to compare "same settings" between different products, of course they're going to sound different, they were made by different people. I think a better comparison is whether each Can sound good/great using the tools available in the model (without extraneous effort or audio gymnastics to get there) . To compare same settings is a pointless exercise in ignorance of the differences built into the models by their different creators.
Agreed. It should be can I get the sound I want out of each thing I’m comparing and can I get them to sound similar? Just the different in IRs loaded in the stock settings between the two will make a massive difference so if you don’t try to match those up you’re already starting way apart.
That ambient clean sounded great. I think the missing ingredient you forgot to imitate on AmpliTube side was the Equalizer settings, which were part of the presets in Neural DSP.
It seems like the IK sld was recorded with less dynamic range perhaps, and so it needs more push from the pedal sims and also more dimed dials than the DSP version. There's a graphic EQ in IK that can help push forward the same frequencies as the DSP version as well, to make it brighter and less flat. Overall the DSP is easier to plug and play, the IK is a little stubborn but can be made pretty similar with some careful tweaking. Can't complain when it's free.
@@allendean9807 They can probably never feel like a real 4x12 in the room but they feel at least as good as if you were listening to the mic'ed amp from the control room.
@@poulwinther well, i guess if you’re comparing them to the air being pushed from a good cab, yeah, they don’t do that, for sure. But, in my little home studio, there’s no way i can track a guitar that’s loud enough to push the kind of air that gives the same feel of these plugins. So they are a great resource for songwriters like myself. I’ve used Line6 foot boards, the Positive grid plugins and iPad apps, ML studios, amplitube and the amp sims that come with the all access slate suite, and I’ve found the neural stuff to be the most responsive, and the closest feel to actually playing through an amp. I think if you’re using like, an Ox and an amp head, you’re going to get a very similar experience as the neural stuff. But, yes- you’re right, i think we should all crank amps as loud as possible every now and again to remind us how good it is to feedback for an hour straight!!! 😼
@@allendean9807 Yes, my point exactly. I also have no way of cranking an amp and even with the Power Station 2 it's a lot more difficult to get good results with a real amp. I've been through a lot of the same stuff as you with similar results. The only plugs I find to rival Neural are Vadim Taronov's sims. Of course you have to use a separate IR loader and find a matching cab but the results can be stellar. I also still use the Guitar Rig Plexi model for leads though.
Well for a real side-by-side comparison of the amp only emulation you need to exclude the cab sim from the equation (and the fxs obiously) . It's easy: turn off the cab ir in the two vsts and put an ir loader (even a second instance of the Neural DSP with everything off but the cab sim) after the two amps sim. Opss i see now that you did it in another video! 😋
Amplitube muched boxy than neural, i have the cory wong version, the clean tone with Neural are the best i geard Di on a virtual amp, yet i love the huge power house you have in amplitube 5, overall i am satiafyed with amplitube 5 max and neural cory wong, i much of a funk blues lofi dude 😅
Amplitube has been so far behind in the game, they are 3 years too late to the party. When they released 5, I thought they finally were going to come on par with Neural, ML Soundlab and others but no, still a horrible disappointment and doesn't seem they are changing their ways soon to catch up with what's already available.
If you really spend some time playing with different cabs, speakers, mics and rooms in Amplitube it seems to really come alive. I had a friend who had a real SLO a few years ago and I really liked playing through it and managed to get a really solid sound with my old Rhoads V so I knew if I kept chasing it it would be in there somewhere. I daresay it's probably easier to achieve in Neural but it is fun to twiddle and fiddle sometimes (as long as you get a result lol)
Since the cabinet is almost the 85% of the sound of a guitar routing, using the same mic and position does not change so much if you do not match the cabinet, you had to use the same IR cab , sorry but if the intention was to compare the sound of the 2 amps, this video is useless and very waste of time (27.30 mins)
I think the Amplitube presets and sounds suffer from their cab selections and mic positions. You almost always have to fiddle with them. Amplitube cab models almost always sound bland or weak due to the default sm57 right on the cone glue vibe.
Yeah I think Neural are great at making really good presets and IK is getting better but still not quite as good which often makes the first impression less impressive than Neural
(1) Soldano himself said in To e Talk that Amplitube’s model sounds exactly like his amps. (2) this is a paid promotion. I don’ think all the commenters understand what these two facts mean.
It’s a paid promotion because the are numerous things that you can see in this video that were given to us. Even if I wasn’t reviewing anything we were actually paid to review as long as there is anything that you can see in this video (Pedals, Amps, Guitars, rack gear or even a mug with a logo of a company we worked with sitting it the background) we have tick the ‘paid promotion’ box…it’s the law. In this case IK Multimedia gave me AmpliTube 5 Max for free to do videos with…Neural DSP never got back to my emails, I used a demo version. I did this video because I was interested in comparing the two because there is/was a LOT of hype around all the Neural stuff and I had never tried any of their stuff before…IK Multimedia never said anything to me about this video, neither did Neural
i use ik multimedia, when bypass the IR of the AT5 and load a YorkAudio IR... i must say, it sounds fkng amazing. The problem with AT5 are their impulse responses
I think I found my modeler. I ordered an Ibanez RGIB21 and it should be in next week. Oh! This is going to be awesome! Can't wait to hear what the guitar sounds like with the plugin.
The Neural DSP Slo is far superior, but I will give this to Amplitube. Their version of the Slo was made close to a decade ago at this point. It released in the Amplitube 3 days. The technology has come a long way since then. That said, Neural DSP’s... DSP has really impressed me at every turn. I rarely find myself going to Amplitube anymore. It’s either Softube or Neural DSP for me.
Seems that intentional or not, Neural Soldano is setting the bar for comparison. It is the one to beat and Amplitube 5 just can't do it. Kudos for being diplomatic but it is what it is.
The Neural stuff is very good - I'm also a fan of the THU Overloud stuff (Choptones did a Soldano package for Overloud that is very good). I prefer Overloud to the Amplitube gear. To be honest, in a mix, its hard to tell the difference between the Choptones Overloud Soldano vs. Neural (for me at least). If you are using a laptop, the Overloud Soldano is a bit easier on your CPU. Just my 2 cents.
I feel amplitude input gain level is incorrect. If you up the level you get a more accurate gain structure of the amps. Also a comparison using the same cab ira would bring these rwo much closer together
I think Neural sounded better but most of the change was the IR. Amplitube was more "sticky" sounding in parts like more saturated lows or something, but meh. Both are good for different reasons probably. Would argue that NDSP has a slight advantage in usability because there's not tons of excess fx in it, just the stuff you would probably want. Ma'ybe for another compare, use an external IR and just dial in the amps the same incl volume, then A/b them. Most of the tone is cab anyway so that would help show the true details of each sim on a fairer playing field. Cheers man
Yep Nick...I filmed a video yesterday...with the same two plugins and also the SLO sim in STLAmpHub...using the Two Notes Wall of Sound and some Celestion Plus IRs...made a HUGE difference...video should be out early next week
Love Fortin Cali, but for whatever reason that is my one NDSP plug that turns into a real system hog. Nolly, Gojira, Paralax are all easy on my sytem, but Fortin Cali jams things up fast :/
GREAT video! I really appreciate this a lot! I thought I was doing something wrong with Amp5. I'm a newbie to all this. I have only used a small amp with no pedals or effects before. So very basic tones with no tone "searching". I was pulled in by Amp5 because of the access to all the hardware and pedals which I've never had access to before to play with effects etc. I have really struggled to get a tight metal tone from ANY of the metal amps in AMP5. Everything sounds so MUFFLED, I thought it might be my monitor speakers as they're quite heavy on the bass. I haven't tried this Nueral plugin, but I have tried the Fortin NTS one and out of the box the tone BLOWS amp5 away.
There is another video where I did that! With this video I wanted to know how the different plugins sound with the cabinet sims they come with…to me it’s about what the plugin sound like out of the box without going through a thousand seperate IRs…it’s about what you get in the package
I've tried both and also TH-U. First of all, i was exclusively tryin' to get an Eric Johnson tone from them. For my taste: - TH-U: good tone, but maybe too "incapsulated" ; -Neural DSP Plini: Better than TH-U, the sound you can get in hi-gain is definitely out of this world, but for me was useless due to hard time to work on bass freqs and the limited amount of gear. Amplitube 5: a i ittle bit more realistic for me and best overall tone in order to achieve a crunchy bass mid lead. With the paid irs (Ownhammer and York Audio) it's the holy grail if you want that specific EJ tone.
They missed a major opportunity with the "nostalgia" market by not putting a Mick Mars preset in there. That dude had the BEST guitar sound ever on the Dr Feelgood album by notoriously using the SLO100.
I love AmpliTube, but this was truly "ear opening". I didn't want to admit just how much better Neural DSP sounds, but it's really obvious in my opinion.
Hey Gabor, Yet another great vid. Well I have got Amplitube 4 and recently updated to 5 and am downloading from the custom shops the March presets. I always thought that Amplitube sounded amazing but OMG Neural DSP just totally blows it out of the park. Really shocked was not expecting such a difference.
sORRY, BUT THESE ARE SILLY. wHY START WITH THE DSP INSTEAD OF THE at? tHEN YOU MATCH THE SETTINGS OG at to dsp, WHY NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? cLEARLY YOU WANTED THE DSP TO SOUND BETTER. iN THE ONE WITH NO SETTINGS YOU HAD THE at ONE way MORE OVERDRIVEN THEN THE DSP, WHICH ALLOWED THE DSP TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT'S STRING ATRTACK. This was a meaningless test. I trust AT5 far more because of their cal mic machine and doing thousands of it samples. You have FAR FAR FAR more options to tweak the AT5 stuff to easily match any tone from the dsp. So sorry but it was clear from the start which one you WANTED to win.
the thing is the sound of neural dsp sound better, no question about it. and if you wanna record smth no question take neural dsp, but for daily practice idk. the sound are not versatile enough its just 1 amp and a couple of pedals for 100 eur, you do not have a looper, you do not have an opportunity to quickly record inside the plugin etc
Both are capable of some great sounds, I am guessing the main thing holding back the AmpliTube version is the cab simulation. I wonder how they would compare using the same IR with both. Everything about that Neural DSP plugin is perfection though, I bought it almost instantly after it was released. Thanks!
Yeah it looks a bit that way...I will do a video comparing a bunch of Amp Sim plugins using a third party IR loader so they all get a consistent Speaker Cab emulation
Hey dude you seems to be a cool guy so no offense please :) i aint got nothing personal against you mate ... But what a freaking boring demo there ... number one : too much talk for nothing ... number too : how to compare 2 amps ? play the exactly same riff with the same specs , all effects the same , and same speaker and mics . number three : divide the screen in two parts and play the riff as you go from screen A one to screen B for people can really understand the difference of the sound ...But i have to say it took me 1 minute to understand that the neural one is much more acurate than the amplitube one . Once said that cool room you have here with so cool gear to play rock n roll !
I did that in another video! To me it’s more about how the plugins sound with the stock IRs. I mean in the end I can make all those plugins sound pretty much the same with some third party IRs, EQ and compression…but that’s not what it’s about! A plugin should sound good with the stock IRs…and that’s what I’m comparing here
@@TSFAHTPS fair enough. I have a different approach though. I settle with a capable device, and then I make patches. I don't not need out of the box presets. what I don't like is noticing after I invested many hours in a device, that it lacks something I cannot get. therefore I test the raw thing first, and only after this meets the criteria I dig deeper into FX and modulation. so time invested is not lost.
I filmed a video (below) where I compared those two and the STL Amp Hub version of the SLO and used a Celestion Plus IR in an external IR loader plugin ua-cam.com/video/WBoZRmGKoEA/v-deo.html
I don’t think so - it’s comparing the sound of two different plugins…how good the presets sound, how easy of difficult they are to use…not how close they are to the ‘real’ thing. They are both in the ballpark of an SLO
I’m going into the Focusrite Scarlett Gen3 into my MAC. how do you get plug ins to not sound so brittle & bad (I’m thinking plug ins are never gonna sound warm and pleasant like a real amp). What am I missing? Maybe it’s because I’m using AmpliTube - nothing sounds good through headphones?
Rather off topic but can you tell us what you use as your output when you do this type of demo? IE. Studio monitors, PC speakers, amp cabinet? I usually see demos where the individual is wearing headphones.
I listen back to it through my Yamaha HS8 monitors that are connected to the Audient Interface. I don’t really like using headphones - it ends up being more work for me because I have to turn the volume of my vocal microphone down every time I play guitar (I do that in Logic after I film) but I like it much better hearing the guitar through the monitors and not through headphones! What you hear in the video is the unedited, direct sound of the plugins within Logic! Hope that explains it!!
@@spectre5022 To my ears the Nembrini sounds more organic and has better low end. The Neural sounds too digitally perfect. I use an evh phase 90 into nembrini and it sounds so good. Glad someone else agrees.
I just recently purchased Amplitube 5 Max.....and saw this video.....thought Neural DSP sounded a lot better.....so I downloaded a trial at home....and....I'm not getting the same huge differences that you seem to get here.......here, at home, I thought they both sounded about equal in quality....I would say that there are a lot more tone shaping options with Amplitube, having a choice of numerous amps/cabs/pedals/rack gear, etc....that you can add.....but if someone ONLY wanted a Soldano copy...and didn't want anything else.....I'd say you'd be happy with the Neural DSP.......but...if you want more versatility, I'd go with Amp 5 (max) I will say that I really liked the delay "pedal" that comes with the Neural DSP.....very nice.
This (actually, these, I should say, all plugins) is an excellent option for the next generation of garage bands...Cuz no way can a 13-14 year old kids afford a 3000$ marshall tube head another 1000 for the cab, it's bullshit. The companies r pricing themselves right into receivership.. Especially Gibson, fu+@ck sakes bro' 4000$ for a decent Paul custom..and don't even bring up fender, christ superstar!!! It is why China is stealing all the sales with there knockoffs..I'm guilty, I bought one instead of a Usa Strat, (made in US my ass) My 10's knock off of a 74-80 Strat is fabulous, fuckin' cost 200$ and if u didn't know, u couldn't tell it's a fake ya Usa my ass, Maybe Tijuana Usa, lol...but digress, To the next generation of musicians, don't be a brand whore, browse and sometimes u'll find an alternative that's not only priced better but, quality too, to Gibson RIP
Irrelevant since I cannot get Amplitube 5.2 to open up in studio one 5. It just opens to the generic midi controller screen which is completely useless. I do have a NI Kontrol keyboard and Behringer x32 and others so have a few external midi devices and these obviously clash with the Amplitube vst3 and it would appear Studio one is completely incapable of even seeing the Amplitube vst2 dll. Even with all external devices switched on Amplitube is incapable of opening stays on the midi controller screen. It does work fine in standalone mode, but thats not any good for recording and messing inside the DAW. IK say its a Presonus issue and guess what Presonus said? yip its a IK issue. Useless the lot of em
I seriously don’t think that I’ll ever buy another real amp again. Just a better computer and monitor speakers 😁
Haha...yeah its getting that way!!
Im doing this
Neural DSP was very very good. What about cleans and crunch aka fender / vox? --- these plugins aren't so good.for that Kemper and Quad Cortex (when it comes) do change that a bit, but amp in the room is very different (unless you have Kemper with Kemper Kones - like I do).
I used to be a diehard amp fanatic and swore I would never mess with sims after a couple early experiences. These days, I gotta agree with you - I (like many) have a room of tube amps that really don't get much play anymore. This one needs an attenuator to sound decent, that one needs a new set of tubes, etc. With plugins, its the same plug-and-play great tone every time.
@@bartlettpsj The cleans are so good.. I bought the Neural DSP soldano mainly for the cleans. I love it.
*And award for LONG WINDED MOUTH goes too....................!*
Does the DI stop the noise floor?
I remember trying Amplitube 4 and there a latency thing going on (sounded good though). In your experience is that generally the interface and/or settings?
I think latency with amp sims has to do with the processor speed of your computer - some amp sims use a lot of CPU...I know AmpliTube can chew up a lot of CPU because there is so much to it...the Neural plugin seems to be more streamlined and uses very little CPU in comparison which means you have way less latency. You can try changing the settings but if it gets to a point where your computer can't quite handle it thats when you get kinda glitchy sounds and you may get system overload messages
i think they did that as part of internal oversampling (shame you can't turn it off, IK should look at it), which seems to be the case with some t-racks plugins that introduce saturation/distortion.
Maybe bypass the amplitube cab, and use the neural cab...Just to have a consistent cab sound?🤔
Yeah thats a great idea...I might even use a third party plugin like the Two Notes wall of Sound so its all the same!! Thank Ray
I used GGD's Zilla Cabs with my Amplitube Soldano and it sounds a whole lot better than the cab supplied by Amplitube. I strongly recommend bypassing the amplitude cab.
@@jansendu8740 do you have to pay to use third party ir? Mine has a lock on it
@@bulletproofprs Bypass internal cab and use an external IR loader. There are planty of free IR loaders and free great IRs as well.
Exactly, if it says soldano in the image, mike must be happy with how it was modelled in both cases, but the cab IRs are another story...
Amplitube, Toontrack ezmix, Guitar Rig, Overloud, need to catchup with the big boys Neural DSP and STL Tones.
I subscribe to STL's monthly amphub and it doesn't come close...Neural blew the cover off, knocked it right out of the park imho...and amongst decades of acquiring amps I've had a Soldano head since graduating HS in '87. Your mileage may vary. Regards.
stl lmaooooo
To be fair...this morning I setup a DAW channel w/ IK SLO running thru the Neural SLO w/ the Neural's amp on bypass (so using the Neural's IRs/post). This gives the best A/B compare....still not close dynamically. I can share a StudioOnev5 project w/ all the SLOs from various vendors populated if it would help, but easy enough for folks to do on their own. Besides Neural's version, THU's Big Hairy Saldano pack is also fantastic...but Michael is a real pro anyway, check out his channel too.
STL tone is more like amplitube for metal player users. It really sucks, seems like toy sound, really closer to Amplitube
@@francoovs The Andy James plugging is really good. That's the only one I've tried so far. Save every coin for Neural Gojira and Soldano, those are to gold standard righ now.
The Neural DSP Soldano is the best sounding guitar plug in I have ever heard
Neural DSP have finally produced something that will give them the place they deserve !! With all there previous releases, it wasn't really possible to put their tones head to head with other plugins. This time with the SLO 100, I can see everyday new videos on UA-cam, Neural DSP vs HX Stomp or vs AXE FX etc and everytime Neural DSP is just mind-blowing. It's a fantastic time for Guitar players!!
I really thought Amplitube was the stuff but this plugin is mind blowing. Who needs 20 different amp modelers when you have one that is so versatile and sounds very very authentic.
I just filmed another video with those plugins and changing the cabinet in AmpliTube made such a huge difference ...I don’t think the cab that’s part of the SLO presets (Metal TI or something) sounds very good...I changed it to one of the Engl cabs and it was instantly better!! There a video with that coming out shortly
@Zaid Weston I know that I don’t care 🤷♂️
@@TSFAHTPS Lmao these spam bots are everywhere
@Ezra Princeton Whoa...that’s amazing
Very nice and authentic Tone from neural dsp.👌
Amplitube can't scratch it
I have the Amplitube version and it’s good for a free sim with a lot of options. But the Neural version is next level. I may need to buy it. It seems very versatile.
Amplitube sounds like the distortion you have at home, and you always wonder would the more expensive option be worth it, but can't justify the price cos the one you have is good enough. I feel like the Neural is like pulling the trigger on the one you always wanted lol
You may want to swap out the speakers in amplitube 5 in a part 2 video and see if you can get it to sound similar that way.
I did...Part two will be out early next week...I swapped out speakers in Amplitube and then also used the Two Notes Wall of Sound so both plugins use the same IR...I also added the SLO style amp from STL AmpHub to the mix
One thing, In Amplitube 5, before the first patch update, a lot if the cabinet mikes defaulted to the far edge of the speaker. I am betting that is why these sound so muffled. Took me awhile to figure that out, but after the fix Amplitube sounds very very good!
Are the speakers in the cabs the same? 90% of the sound, you can get Amplitube to match anything. Not many plugins give you half the options IK does in my opinion
Yeah very true...the ability to change every speaker in the cabinet is something I’ve never seen anywhere else before...there is almost a bit too much choice - information overload!!
The speakers in the video were different...I just used the speakers/cabs that came as part of the preset! I have a new video coming out shortly where I used the same IR for both plugins and it made a huge difference!!
I think a lot of people get it wrong trying to compare "same settings" between different products, of course they're going to sound different, they were made by different people.
I think a better comparison is whether each Can sound good/great using the tools available in the model (without extraneous effort or audio gymnastics to get there) .
To compare same settings is a pointless exercise in ignorance of the differences built into the models by their different creators.
Agreed. It should be can I get the sound I want out of each thing I’m comparing and can I get them to sound similar? Just the different in IRs loaded in the stock settings between the two will make a massive difference so if you don’t try to match those up you’re already starting way apart.
great post.
totally agree.
Wow! The Neural DSP simply blows the doors off the Amplitube...at least with the settings used here.
nope, it is worse than Amplitube 5 (which is not great either but still better)
@@PASHKULI what are your settings? Is it the cab?
That ambient clean sounded great. I think the missing ingredient you forgot to imitate on AmpliTube side was the Equalizer settings, which were part of the presets in Neural DSP.
I use SLO 100 in Amplitube 5 but to me Neural DSP sounds better
It seems like the IK sld was recorded with less dynamic range perhaps, and so it needs more push from the pedal sims and also more dimed dials than the DSP version. There's a graphic EQ in IK that can help push forward the same frequencies as the DSP version as well, to make it brighter and less flat. Overall the DSP is easier to plug and play, the IK is a little stubborn but can be made pretty similar with some careful tweaking. Can't complain when it's free.
So one sounds exactly like the SLO while the other sounds like my first DIY solid state combo.
There's a place for that too
The neural DSP stuff feels like an amp as well... that tactile, saggy, or snappy feel to the attack? They have that...
@@allendean9807 They can probably never feel like a real 4x12 in the room but they feel at least as good as if you were listening to the mic'ed amp from the control room.
@@poulwinther well, i guess if you’re comparing them to the air being pushed from a good cab, yeah, they don’t do that, for sure. But, in my little home studio, there’s no way i can track a guitar that’s loud enough to push the kind of air that gives the same feel of these plugins. So they are a great resource for songwriters like myself.
I’ve used Line6 foot boards, the Positive grid plugins and iPad apps, ML studios, amplitube and the amp sims that come with the all access slate suite, and I’ve found the neural stuff to be the most responsive, and the closest feel to actually playing through an amp. I think if you’re using like, an Ox and an amp head, you’re going to get a very similar experience as the neural stuff.
But, yes- you’re right, i think we should all crank amps as loud as possible every now and again to remind us how good it is to feedback for an hour straight!!! 😼
@@allendean9807 Yes, my point exactly. I also have no way of cranking an amp and even with the Power Station 2 it's a lot more difficult to get good results with a real amp. I've been through a lot of the same stuff as you with similar results. The only plugs I find to rival Neural are Vadim Taronov's sims. Of course you have to use a separate IR loader and find a matching cab but the results can be stellar. I also still use the Guitar Rig Plexi model for leads though.
*Take the AMPLITUBE AMP, turn off the speaker cab section and run it through the cab section of the Neural Dsp*
the thing that sucks in the amplitube version is the cabinet but if you change the ir you will see that the amp model is just as good as the neural!
I’ve done just that in another video - should be out early next week
Well for a real side-by-side comparison of the amp only emulation you need to exclude the cab sim from the equation (and the fxs obiously) .
It's easy: turn off the cab ir in the two vsts and put an ir loader (even a second instance of the Neural DSP with everything off but the cab sim) after the two amps sim.
Opss i see now that you did it in another video! 😋
I have AT5 but DSP sounds better 🥴
Neural.... just hands down!
Amplitube muched boxy than neural, i have the cory wong version, the clean tone with Neural are the best i geard Di on a virtual amp, yet i love the huge power house you have in amplitube 5, overall i am satiafyed with amplitube 5 max and neural cory wong, i much of a funk blues lofi dude 😅
Amplitube has been so far behind in the game, they are 3 years too late to the party. When they released 5, I thought they finally were going to come on par with Neural, ML Soundlab and others but no, still a horrible disappointment and doesn't seem they are changing their ways soon to catch up with what's already available.
Unfortunately you are correct
Well one was free and the other costs 100 and something...Soooo can one even debate😅
True
Yes you can. If you objectively need a good amp the price has nothing to do with it. You can compare sounds without worrying about the price.
If you really spend some time playing with different cabs, speakers, mics and rooms in Amplitube it seems to really come alive.
I had a friend who had a real SLO a few years ago and I really liked playing through it and managed to get a really solid sound with my old Rhoads V so I knew if I kept chasing it it would be in there somewhere. I daresay it's probably easier to achieve in Neural but it is fun to twiddle and fiddle sometimes (as long as you get a result lol)
amplitube 5 .. try different speaker.. cab settings.. it can sound exactly same as the real amp.
Neural DSP and STL tones are the best... Amplitude suc.ks now, it was the best before those 2 giants appeard
Since the cabinet is almost the 85% of the sound of a guitar routing, using the same mic and position does not change so much if you do not match the cabinet, you had to use the same IR cab , sorry but if the intention was to compare the sound of the 2 amps, this video is useless and very waste of time (27.30 mins)
I really was hoping Amplitube would be good since it comes with a lot of amps but Neural DSP blows it out of the water. How's the CPU and memory load?
I think the Amplitube presets and sounds suffer from their cab selections and mic positions. You almost always have to fiddle with them. Amplitube cab models almost always sound bland or weak due to the default sm57 right on the cone glue vibe.
Yeah I think Neural are great at making really good presets and IK is getting better but still not quite as good which often makes the first impression less impressive than Neural
(1) Soldano himself said in To e Talk that Amplitube’s model sounds exactly like his amps. (2) this is a paid promotion.
I don’ think all the commenters understand what these two facts mean.
It’s a paid promotion because the are numerous things that you can see in this video that were given to us. Even if I wasn’t reviewing anything we were actually paid to review as long as there is anything that you can see in this video (Pedals, Amps, Guitars, rack gear or even a mug with a logo of a company we worked with sitting it the background) we have tick the ‘paid promotion’ box…it’s the law. In this case IK Multimedia gave me AmpliTube 5 Max for free to do videos with…Neural DSP never got back to my emails, I used a demo version. I did this video because I was interested in comparing the two because there is/was a LOT of hype around all the Neural stuff and I had never tried any of their stuff before…IK Multimedia never said anything to me about this video, neither did Neural
i use ik multimedia, when bypass the IR of the AT5 and load a YorkAudio IR... i must say, it sounds fkng amazing. The problem with AT5 are their impulse responses
I just filmed a video about that...should be out early next week
I think I found my modeler. I ordered an Ibanez RGIB21 and it should be in next week. Oh! This is going to be awesome! Can't wait to hear what the guitar sounds like with the plugin.
The Neural DSP Slo is far superior, but I will give this to Amplitube. Their version of the Slo was made close to a decade ago at this point. It released in the Amplitube 3 days. The technology has come a long way since then. That said, Neural DSP’s... DSP has really impressed me at every turn. I rarely find myself going to Amplitube anymore. It’s either Softube or Neural DSP for me.
Seems that intentional or not, Neural Soldano is setting the bar for comparison. It is the one to beat and Amplitube 5 just can't do it. Kudos for being diplomatic but it is what it is.
Neural Dsp Nolly + Gojira best
I have a huge latency problem. Any suggestions?
Driver issue? You need an ASIO driver....what's your audio interface?
The Neural stuff is very good - I'm also a fan of the THU Overloud stuff (Choptones did a Soldano package for Overloud that is very good). I prefer Overloud to the Amplitube gear. To be honest, in a mix, its hard to tell the difference between the Choptones Overloud Soldano vs. Neural (for me at least). If you are using a laptop, the Overloud Soldano is a bit easier on your CPU. Just my 2 cents.
A few people mentioned the Overloud plug-in...I think I need to check it out!! Thanks Rays Metal Tracks
And whqat about S-Gear of Scuffman amp ? So good !
Gibson going off tune …
I feel amplitude input gain level is incorrect. If you up the level you get a more accurate gain structure of the amps. Also a comparison using the same cab ira would bring these rwo much closer together
I think Neural sounded better but most of the change was the IR. Amplitube was more "sticky" sounding in parts like more saturated lows or something, but meh. Both are good for different reasons probably. Would argue that NDSP has a slight advantage in usability because there's not tons of excess fx in it, just the stuff you would probably want.
Ma'ybe for another compare, use an external IR and just dial in the amps the same incl volume, then A/b them. Most of the tone is cab anyway so that would help show the true details of each sim on a fairer playing field.
Cheers man
Good idea...I might compare a bunch of these plugins with something like the Two Notes Wall of Sound...thank you Heavy Metal Chainsaw
Yep, the IR used is going to make a huge difference
@@TSFAHTPS any update on this?
Yep Nick...I filmed a video yesterday...with the same two plugins and also the SLO sim in STLAmpHub...using the Two Notes Wall of Sound and some Celestion Plus IRs...made a HUGE difference...video should be out early next week
Neural is better !
That Greco is a beauty. I'd have uncovered double cream humbuckers in that.
Try out the Neural DSP Fortin Cali plugin? Fantastic video; I loved your reaction to the default setting, priceless!
Love Fortin Cali, but for whatever reason that is my one NDSP plug that turns into a real system hog. Nolly, Gojira, Paralax are all easy on my sytem, but Fortin Cali jams things up fast :/
Thank you Elliott...I want to try out more Neural stuff...I was very impressed with this!!
GREAT video! I really appreciate this a lot! I thought I was doing something wrong with Amp5. I'm a newbie to all this. I have only used a small amp with no pedals or effects before. So very basic tones with no tone "searching". I was pulled in by Amp5 because of the access to all the hardware and pedals which I've never had access to before to play with effects etc. I have really struggled to get a tight metal tone from ANY of the metal amps in AMP5. Everything sounds so MUFFLED, I thought it might be my monitor speakers as they're quite heavy on the bass.
I haven't tried this Nueral plugin, but I have tried the Fortin NTS one and out of the box the tone BLOWS amp5 away.
Neural is leaps ahead in the sounds/user interface. Downloaded amplitude for the SLO but I hope I can bypass the cab to use my two notes cabs
I’m actually looking at doing a video about that later today!!
You can bypass the cab.
The room mics in amplitube can make the sound very different and the boxier sound you mentioned.
would have used an IR to compare them
There is another video where I did that! With this video I wanted to know how the different plugins sound with the cabinet sims they come with…to me it’s about what the plugin sound like out of the box without going through a thousand seperate IRs…it’s about what you get in the package
Recently bought Neural DSP's version. There is no more use for Amplitube.
I've tried both and also TH-U. First of all, i was exclusively tryin' to get an Eric Johnson tone from them.
For my taste:
- TH-U: good tone, but maybe too "incapsulated" ;
-Neural DSP Plini: Better than TH-U, the sound you can get in hi-gain is definitely out of this world, but for me was useless due to hard time to work on bass freqs and the limited amount of gear.
Amplitube 5: a i ittle bit more realistic for me and best overall tone in order to achieve a crunchy bass mid lead. With the paid irs (Ownhammer and York Audio) it's the holy grail if you want that specific EJ tone.
What IR’s from york and ownhammer did you used my friend?
@@GuilhermeHKohnGAnti All of them based to Marshall 1960 cabs
They missed a major opportunity with the "nostalgia" market by not putting a Mick Mars preset in there. That dude had the BEST guitar sound ever on the Dr Feelgood album by notoriously using the SLO100.
I don’t think NDSP has achieved that level of backing yet, to get those big of names. Getting there certainly with Gojira.
I love AmpliTube, but this was truly "ear opening". I didn't want to admit just how much better Neural DSP sounds, but it's really obvious in my opinion.
i'd never heard of any of the 'artists' on the presets either.......am i just out of touch?
Nah…we are just into different things
@@TSFAHTPS Of course i think about it now and i suppose its a good thing to get non-mainstream artists into the mix....
The neural stuff is the best, but I wish you would have loaded up the same IR for both so we could hear properly how the sims compare.
I did that in another video...here’s the link:
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Hey Gabor, Yet another great vid. Well I have got Amplitube 4 and recently updated to 5 and am downloading from the custom shops the March presets. I always thought that Amplitube sounded amazing but OMG Neural DSP just totally blows it out of the park. Really shocked was not expecting such a difference.
Yeah I was pretty surprised how good it sounded...I need to look into more Neural DSP stuff
Neural just get better and better please will you review the Quad Cortex?☺
I would LOVE to...not sure if they will send us one though...but I can ask!!
Right-click the amp GUI to change the skins...
electric guitar model pls.
1:42
I'm pretty sure all that difference would disappear if you play them through the same cab. The Cab emulation is a whole another world
sORRY, BUT THESE ARE SILLY. wHY START WITH THE DSP INSTEAD OF THE at? tHEN YOU MATCH THE SETTINGS OG at to dsp, WHY NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? cLEARLY YOU WANTED THE DSP TO SOUND BETTER. iN THE ONE WITH NO SETTINGS YOU HAD THE at ONE way MORE OVERDRIVEN THEN THE DSP, WHICH ALLOWED THE DSP TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT'S STRING ATRTACK. This was a meaningless test. I trust AT5 far more because of their cal mic machine and doing thousands of it samples. You have FAR FAR FAR more options to tweak the AT5 stuff to easily match any tone from the dsp. So sorry but it was clear from the start which one you WANTED to win.
Thanks for sharing, Neural DSP sounds much better for me
the thing is the sound of neural dsp sound better, no question about it. and if you wanna record smth no question take neural dsp, but for daily practice idk. the sound are not versatile enough its just 1 amp and a couple of pedals for 100 eur, you do not have a looper, you do not have an opportunity to quickly record inside the plugin etc
now this is a great VS video... makes more sense to shootout these as apposed to a "vs a live amp" shootout.
Thank you very much!!
Both are capable of some great sounds, I am guessing the main thing holding back the AmpliTube version is the cab simulation. I wonder how they would compare using the same IR with both. Everything about that Neural DSP plugin is perfection though, I bought it almost instantly after it was released. Thanks!
Yeah it looks a bit that way...I will do a video comparing a bunch of Amp Sim plugins using a third party IR loader so they all get a consistent Speaker Cab emulation
Hey dude you seems to be a cool guy so no offense please :) i aint got nothing personal against you mate ...
But what a freaking boring demo there ...
number one : too much talk for nothing ...
number too : how to compare 2 amps ? play the exactly same riff with the same specs , all effects the same , and same speaker and mics .
number three : divide the screen in two parts and play the riff as you go from screen A one to screen B for people can really understand the difference of the sound ...But i have to say it took me 1 minute to understand that the neural one is much more acurate than the amplitube one .
Once said that cool room you have here with so cool gear to play rock n roll !
Did Amplitube get rid of the Soldano? There is a SLO100 in the amp section but nothing specifically branded with the Soldano name like you show.
Yes, it’s the same amp sim but it’s now called SLO100…I guess it has something to do with licensing…not sure but it’s the same plugin
@@TSFAHTPS Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. I was curious because I really love the SLO100 but so many videos show it with the Soldano logo.
cant you just usew the same ir for trrue amp comparison?
I did that in another video!
To me it’s more about how the plugins sound with the stock IRs. I mean in the end I can make all those plugins sound pretty much the same with some third party IRs, EQ and compression…but that’s not what it’s about! A plugin should sound good with the stock IRs…and that’s what I’m comparing here
@@TSFAHTPS fair enough. I have a different approach though. I settle with a capable device, and then I make patches. I don't not need out of the box presets. what I don't like is noticing after I invested many hours in a device, that it lacks something I cannot get. therefore I test the raw thing first, and only after this meets the criteria I dig deeper into FX and modulation. so time invested is not lost.
Now that I have the NeuralDSP SLO, that’s all I use for raunchy stuff, I still use Amplitube for the multi-amp clean stuff 🤘🏻
Hi Phillip, what clean amps do you like with Amplitube?
@@OverdriveMusic
can you import Neural DSP plugins into Amplitubes 8 track recorder?
@@OverdriveMusic mainly the vintage Fender suite… also use BiasAmp2 Dumble for a crispy clean
You should try and use the neural cab with the AmpliTube head. Maybe the AmpliTube cabs are just horrible.
I filmed a video (below) where I compared those two and the STL Amp Hub version of the SLO and used a Celestion Plus IR in an external IR loader plugin
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Amplitube sounds like its your little brother playing in his room next door
What is you setup?
I talk about the setup at 2:39
As much as I love the hardware from IK Multimedia but Amplitube is GALAXIES behind the Neural DSP stuff....
I have an Axe I/O but since finding Neural DSP I don’t use any Amplitube 4 that came with it or Amp designer from Logic.
Why do people talk so much in VS type demos? Just demo the product please.
Good video and great plug-ins but Man those cabs are very different, so the comparison part of the video is practically useless.
Which is why I filmed another video
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pointless if you arent comparing it to the real thing.
I don’t think so - it’s comparing the sound of two different plugins…how good the presets sound, how easy of difficult they are to use…not how close they are to the ‘real’ thing. They are both in the ballpark of an SLO
@@TSFAHTPS Some of us aren't content with mediocrity.
@@bobdillon1138 wow…okeydokey then
Just found your channel. I think you are my doppleganger... but you are way better with the guitar than i am :)
Finally someone who understands what it’s like to go through live with this ridiculously gorgeous face 😜
This just sows what a joke Amplitube really is.
Compare these with the same external IR.....if ya want haha. Thanks for the comparison.
I did...and the video should be out early next week!!
Wow... Amplitube sounded anemic
Cabs are different. Gotta run through the same ir.
I’m going into the Focusrite Scarlett Gen3 into my MAC. how do you get plug ins to not sound so brittle & bad (I’m thinking plug ins are never gonna sound warm and pleasant like a real amp). What am I missing? Maybe it’s because I’m using AmpliTube - nothing sounds good through headphones?
Are the headphones flat eq? Are the headphones powered? Straight into interface or into DI box?
@@bulletproofprs Yes flat headphones-- just wondering if AmpliTube is just bad sounding
Haven't tried the newest version. But I never was impressed with amplitude. I would describe it as solid-state sounding
use neural dsp stuff if you can its just overall better
Rather off topic but can you tell us what you use as your output when you do this type of demo? IE. Studio monitors, PC speakers, amp cabinet? I usually see demos where the individual is wearing headphones.
I listen back to it through my Yamaha HS8 monitors that are connected to the Audient Interface. I don’t really like using headphones - it ends up being more work for me because I have to turn the volume of my vocal microphone down every time I play guitar (I do that in Logic after I film) but I like it much better hearing the guitar through the monitors and not through headphones! What you hear in the video is the unedited, direct sound of the plugins within Logic!
Hope that explains it!!
@@TSFAHTPS I use the Yamaha HS8 monitors as well!
The Amplitube 5 sounds bad to be honest :-(
Distorted sounds @ 5:34, this guy never shuts up.
10:45 I couldn't figure this out either!
Neural is awesome
What about comparing the Nembrini BST100 with the Neural DSP plugin.
Man, the nembrini BST sounds amazing, I prefer the nembrini over the neural one..
@@spectre5022 To my ears the Nembrini sounds more organic and has better low end. The Neural sounds too digitally perfect. I use an evh phase 90 into nembrini and it sounds so good. Glad someone else agrees.
@@davidlloyd9598 I thought exactly the same!
I just recently purchased Amplitube 5 Max.....and saw this video.....thought Neural DSP sounded a lot better.....so I downloaded a trial at home....and....I'm not getting the same huge differences that you seem to get here.......here, at home, I thought they both sounded about equal in quality....I would say that there are a lot more tone shaping options with Amplitube, having a choice of numerous amps/cabs/pedals/rack gear, etc....that you can add.....but if someone ONLY wanted a Soldano copy...and didn't want anything else.....I'd say you'd be happy with the Neural DSP.......but...if you want more versatility, I'd go with Amp 5 (max)
I will say that I really liked the delay "pedal" that comes with the Neural DSP.....very nice.
for the skin change click the soldano logo just on the amp (black tolex, purple tolex and snake skin)
Oh cool...thank you!!
Night and day to me, I’m Sold on it
This (actually, these, I should say, all plugins) is an excellent option for the next generation of garage bands...Cuz no way can a 13-14 year old kids afford a 3000$ marshall tube head another 1000 for the cab, it's bullshit. The companies r pricing themselves right into receivership..
Especially Gibson, fu+@ck sakes bro' 4000$ for a decent Paul custom..and don't even bring up fender, christ superstar!!! It is why China is stealing all the sales with there knockoffs..I'm guilty, I bought one instead of a Usa Strat, (made in US my ass) My 10's knock off of a 74-80 Strat is fabulous, fuckin' cost 200$ and if u didn't know, u couldn't tell it's a fake ya Usa my ass, Maybe Tijuana Usa, lol...but digress, To the next generation of musicians, don't be a brand whore, browse and sometimes u'll find an alternative that's not only priced better but, quality too, to Gibson RIP
Neural!!!
DSP destroys the AmpliTube. The AmpliTube is kids stuff. DSP is a killer. I bought it after the 14 trial.
Thanks will tray the Soldano tonight
Have fun!!
Irrelevant since I cannot get Amplitube 5.2 to open up in studio one 5. It just opens to the generic midi controller screen which is completely useless. I do have a NI Kontrol keyboard and Behringer x32 and others so have a few external midi devices and these obviously clash with the Amplitube vst3 and it would appear Studio one is completely incapable of even seeing the Amplitube vst2 dll. Even with all external devices switched on Amplitube is incapable of opening stays on the midi controller screen. It does work fine in standalone mode, but thats not any good for recording and messing inside the DAW. IK say its a Presonus issue and guess what Presonus said? yip its a IK issue. Useless the lot of em
You were as fair as you could have been. Trying to match settings, microphones etc. Neural clearly landed on top!!
I have Soldano SLO-100, Fortin Cali Suite and Tone King Imperial MKII. All 3 plugins are great. Greetings from Germany!🖖😎