DEITY Connect Wireless Lavalier Microphone Review - 2 Mics 1 Receiver
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Deity Microphones just released a new dual channel wireless microphone system. This kit includes two transmitters and microphones which transmit to a single dual channel receiver. This is one of the few dual channel systems available for under $700 USD. In this episode, we dive into the details and find out how it sounds, how well it remains connected without interference or dropouts, and how it works with various cameras or recorders.
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Links to gear used in this video:
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Deity Connect Dual Channel Wireless Microphone System
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B&H: bhpho.to/2GajPzH
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Panasonic GH5
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B&H: bhpho.to/2UNeAA0
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Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 OIS Lens
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Copyright 2019 by Curtis Judd
Music Copyright 2017 by TVAC. Used with permission.
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As someone who has met Curtis, I can confirm that 5:06 is how he talks in real life. 😂😜
Hahaha! 😂 No wonder I have a sore throat so often...
I thought that was the best bit! Gave me a LOL!
Such a calm person, if he actually did yell at me, I'd jump out of my skin. :)
LOL xP thats me doe
It's especially funny to me because I was just watching his Sound Devices 633 review moments ago (the first time I've ever heard him yell) came straight to this just-uploaded video, and got another dose of it. I think the juxtaposition will be priceless no matter how many times it happens, though. 🙃
New Curtis Judd video? Let me grab a snack. Also, diggin' the thumbnail. 👍😃
Thanks Gerald!
you did the crash course (which I loved) and now curtis will do the in depth one :D love both channels
His thumbnail game is strong
Hahah I always do the same thing but with a beer.
HE is the real master of the machines...
*Important Notes* UPDATE 2 May 2019: DEITY just released the v1.1 firmware update which helps improve the self-noise performance, improves the meter, and improves the input limiters. The meter is much larger and easier to use. The limiter is more transparent and avoids distortion. My copy seems to still generate more self-noise than Andrew's (Deity) test copy so we're still working on how to improve that. I don't work for Deity, but I would like to see this system improve. It is an incredible start.
Do not use the distance tests in the office and on the parking garage as sound quality tests. I had the output on the receiver set incorrectly for a camera with a 3.5mm stereo microphone input. Should have been set to DSLR rather than "RECORD". Because I had it set incorrectly, the phase of the second channel was inverted which is why the audio sounds so odd. Nevertheless, the distance test is still valid.
Andrew from Deity was asked about the internal batteries in an interview with Gotham sound and he said that the battery is actually user replaceable. One removes 6 screws on the TX or RX, slides the metal portion of the case off, and the battery has a terminal which can be removed. He also indicated that Deity would supply these batteries, though no reference to the price. You can see the details here: ua-cam.com/video/rc4HCo6gPjE/v-deo.html
When I say "Digital Wireless Systems" here I mean digital systems which do adaptive frequency hopping like the DEITY Connect. There are digital UHF systems which don't do frequency hopping such as the Audio Ltd. A10 system.
Hey Curtis do you know if I could run a 3.5 mm y-splitter with the Rode wireless Go to run two receivers into my dslr/mirrorless to create a dual system? Thanks!
Should be able to.
Curtis Judd thank man!
Can you test the effect of the noise floor and limiter again? Thank you
@@APPLE10000009 Yes.
ALL HAIL THE WIZARD! Thank you for yet another killer review man.
DSLR Video Shooter love your channel Caleb! You’re reviews and tutorials are awesome brother!
Thanks Caleb, I learned much of this from you. 🙌
I can't wait to get this and hook it up to their upcoming 3mm lapel mics, which sounded freakin awesome at NAB. Firmware updates - bet they'll jump all over this soon. Distance is always a big thing, yet in my experience, it has been RARE to wirelessly lapel and record someone half a football field away, unless you're using REALLY long lenses. And WTH?? How in the heck do you get soooo much done!!?? I know you work like me probably 100+ hours per week, so there must be some secret. Ever thought about a video sharing your work week.workflow? Just sayin'. :) Good stuff man and thanks for the exceptionally thorough review. Love the new upper and lower thirds!! :)
Looking forward to those new mics, too. Thanks for telling me about them at NAB!
I really Don't mind a bit of latency or the internal battery, but the self noise is very noticable, and
Since most of the times I Will not be the editor to "fix it in post" this is something to consider.
Nice video as Always.
Thanks Felipe.
High latency is important when mixing with sources that aren't delayed. You can't, for instance, mix one of these microphones with a wired lapel mic because it will sound awful - like you're in a bathroom. That's the consideration people need to make. 19ms is about 20 feet.
Fair point, but for narrative work, the mix usually uses the boom or the Lav for any given line of dialogue, not both. Are you referring to some other scenario?
@@curtisjudd A group discussion requiring more than one microphone. Say if you had this system but had three guests and were mixing down to two channels, you couldn't use a wired lapel mic for the third person in that scenario. The delay would ruin the audio. If your mixer doesn't have adjustable delays on the inputs you'd have to ensure post production were informed. I run Lectros and they're only about 3.5ms delayed, but even that small amount requires correction.
Got it, makes sense. So you'd need to be all Deity channels or fix it in post. Not ideal.
Depending on your recorder, you can often introduce a delay on the wired channel which to align the signals.
Great Review, and great information thank you Curtis. I will invest on this system, I already preordered it here in UK.
My only concern at this point is the self noise that I can clearly hear with my Sennheiser HD 25 headphones but it sounds quite clean trough my desk audio monitors.
My question is, how the self noise compares against systems like, Sennheiser G3/G4, Rodelink etc...?
I'm used to work with Sennheriser G3 in the studio where I work, and they are "ok" not perfectly clean but usable, is it better or worse than that? Are you able to do a side by side comparison?
This is the raw audio with no processing here. Seems that the self noise is a bit more prominent on the Connect than on G3/G4 and RODELink. But not by a huge margin.
@@curtisjudd Thank for your answer, I appreciate the time you are spending for as!
Excellent review, as always, Curtis. Thank you. The aforementioned self-noise is a bit disconcerting, and the resulting tonal quality of the lav used comes off as it's tucked inside a pill bottle. Did you have better luck with the countryman or other lavs? Hopefully Deity can improve the self-noise. Thanks.
Hi Leo, I tested with a Sanken COS-11D and the self noise results were similar. On my voice, I would probably increase the high frequency boost on the TX a touch for real-world situations but left it flat here so that everyone could hear the results without any processing real-time or in post.
@@curtisjudd You read my mind Leo. During all the test we heard, was the receiver connected to a Gh5 or to a professional mixer ( I secretly hope the noise floor could be at least 2 times better)
@@tiagomcnicollcastolopes6064 Deity contacted me just a few minutes ago and we have some further settings to test. They are claiming that they get much cleaner results in DSLR vs. RECORD mode which controls the outputs. Will post the updated results as soon as I have an opportunity to test and confirm.
@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions I received mine and I tested it. It is effectively better. There is definetly place for improvement but I am used to use lectrosonics so it is normal that the quality doesn't reach that level. I think the noise floor can still be lower.
@@tiagomcnicollcastolopes6064 Great news, thanks!
Curious how this would compare to using 2x RØDE Wireless Go units with the receivers Velcrod together, especially with respect to self noise and mic quality. They would be cheaper and simpler to use. Also curious about using either of the systems with better Lavs.
We’re working on these exact tests. 😀
@@curtisjudd Hey Curtis.. any update on this test? I would love to know.. Also how is the self noise with the update?
It’s nice to see that Diety is trying to bridge the gap between consumer and pro wireless. This seems like a great package for an extremely low price. Despite the self noise and limiter issues (which I’m sure they will fix), I’m still iffy about the 19ms delay. I’ve used the Sennheiser AVX before paired with a boom and other G3’s and it sounded terribly echoey. I know you can delay the other tracks to match them up but you’d have to find the exact delay of your other wireless and subtract that by 19 to know how much delay to set. Also if everything is delayed by 19ms, would that be noticeable when synced up with the picture? Many questions...
Thanks Chris. If everything is 19ms off and you record sound independent of camera, the latency becomes a non-issue as syncing in post corrects that issue.
I am genuinely unimpressed. Those external antennas are certainly not the most elegant solution I've seen. And dropouts already at 25m is really not great. And since the noise floor and latency aren't superb either, I think I'd prefer a couple of non-dual channel systems.
I suspected you would be unimpressed Lau.
I just wonder why you aren't, Curtis.
Every professional system I've used that is able to achieve decent range has external and internal antennas. They don't generally prove to be an issue in any way in my work. The 25m range was in a worst-case situation and some have suggested since I posted this video that it was problematic that I was wearing both transmitters. The idea is that by spreading them apart from each other, like when connected to two separate people, that the range would likely increase. I'll need to test that to be sure.
The latency didn't appear to be a problem in the sync test clip and would be a complete non-issue when recording dual system sound as I usually do for film projects.
The noise floor needs some work and Deity have already contacted me and are looking into how I recorded and are testing some of the other units they have on hand. We'll see what they find out. I appreciate companies that allow me to review their gear and do not try to edit what I say in my public videos. Deity appears to be using this as an opportunity to improve and I appreciate that.
So is the Connect a perfect product as of today? The copy I have is not. But it is pretty good today and based on Deity's response, I suspect it is going to be a very good choice in the future when they sort through the issues.
Hi Curtis. But the self noise could be also due to the base noise level of GH5? Maybe it should be better to (re-)check that on the F4/8 to see the real noise dB.
That was my thought too when listening to this, the GH5 is surely waaay noisier than a F4/F8n
I also tested using a Sound Devices 633 with nearly identical results which is why I have concluded that the bulk of the self noise is in
the Deity Connect. Also tested with a Sanken COS-11D and same results.
@@curtisjudd ah , good things to know
@@curtisjudd Perfect, thank you.
@@curtisjudd But I watch other video can't find any self noise, maybe you need find Deity to figure out the problem.
Its too bad, or too good, that Rode changed the game with their wireless go mic. The only improvements I can think of is make the windmuff stick better, and not make the lights so big and bright. Otherwise, why get any other system, specific niche aside?
Hi Chris, I'm excited about the WIRELESS GO as well, but I don't think I'd trust it when working on paid, narrative work. It's build is plastic and the clips seem pretty delicate. I think it'd be cool if RODE also make a WIRELESS GO PRO with a more robust build.
I don't have the level of experience that you have. I suppose if I was a producer of a TV talk show, more making a feature film, or a lot of other kinds of work, this mic wont be a safe alternative. But for Run & Gun work, paid or unpaid, I think this will be my go to mic.
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Hey Curtis! Been subscribed for awhile but just stumbled onto this video while researching wireless systems.
Great video and I always appreciate your objectivity, perspective, and lack of hype.
Ended up ordering this Deity system this morning to use with my Nikon Z6 II as well as my MixPre3 II. Perfect for my needs!
Thanks for all your videos!
Thanks Jon, I hope it works well for you!
No, I shall _not_ be dismissed when you speak! 🍸
Haha! Ok, stick around while we nerd out!
so much better review than the gerald guy curtis is the audio dude on yt. great vid
Thanks. Gerald is my friend. He’s way better at camera reviews than me. 😀
Given the choice between this kit or the Sony UWP, which would you choose?
I haven't used the UWP system enough to make a really informed decision and they're quite a lot more expensive than the Connect so that's a tough one. If you've got a bigger budget, the Sony is possibly the least expensive pro dual channel receiver system before the Connect came along and likely perform well. They transmit via UHF frequencies and don't do active frequency hopping so are a bit more work to set up and operate in RF heavy locations. I don't like that Sony wires their lavaliers differently than just about everyone else so you have to use mics specifically wired for Sony.
@@curtisjudd I did not know that their wires were different. My plan was to get some MKE 1s. I guess the pigtails are necessary, and solder them myself.
So, here's a rookie question;
It says in the specs that the Deity Connect records at 48KHz/24bit.
Now, does this mean that it won't work with the Zoom F6 if I recorded in 32bit float?
Hi Charlie, good question - the Connect coverts the audio from the lavalier mic at the transmitter to digital (48kHz, 24-bit), then sends it wirelessly to the receiver which then converts it back to analogue. Then if you were recording to the F6, it would convert it back to digital (whatever sample rate you choose, 32 bit). So yes, it works without a problem. But the lowest quality conversion in the signal chain, in this case the connect, is what will determine your audio quality. That's all the theory. In practice, the lavalier and preamp in the connect are the bigger limiting factors in my testing.
All that to say, yes, it will work.
@@curtisjudd Wonderful. Many thanks Curtis.
I'm sure you've heard this a million times before, but if I may repeat; you and your channel is amazing!
Curtis, thank you for the review! Any thoughts on how this compares to the Sennheiser G3?
This is a whole lot easier to use than G3/G4 and has a dual channel receiver. G3/G4 will potentially hold on to signals a little longer through doors and walls, but that depends on so many other factors that you cannot rely on that for certain. The Deity actively changes its frequency whereas G3 has to be set manually and doesn't change until you change it so it is less able to adapt to changes in RF interference in real time. I prefer the sound of the Deity mic to the Sennheiser ME2II. G3/G4 has replaceable batteries (each person has to decide whether that's and advantage or disadvantage for themselves). The G3/G4 seems to product a bit less self-noise and does not have an analogue limiter as far as I'm aware.
Hello, i preorder from Gotham, my first test was bad because the noise floor, now i updated with the 1.1 firmware and now it is usable, more gain options , limiter works but the volume decrease when active. Next step test in different places. Recharge battery take me 1:30 hours or more. Thanks for the great review!
Thanks for the info Guillermo!
Great video. Very useful. Thanks, Curtis!
Thanks Denis!
I figured out how to reduce less mic noise floor, set the transmitter to +0 and the receiver as well. And on the zoom f6 32bit mode set that as well to +0 and let leave it there. Then in Adobe audition or iztope rx9 when you set 23lufs you do bring a little noise but with denoise or clarity plug in you can remove it without messing up the dialogue.
When you gain the deity transmitter say +15 or +21 as they say in the deity video you are adding noise floor. So leave everything at +0 and you will have a nice sound.
Thanks. Interesting that anything outside of the default setting results in extra noise, and not just a little, quite a lot.
Wow... I'm amazed that they'd put out a product with so much noise... Their other stuff is fairly solid. I've watched a few reviews from others, and you can hear the obvious noise reduction they've applied... so thanks for not doing that and letting us here exactly what this is.
You bet! What I have observed with Deity and Aputure is that they develop their products in an iterative fashion where the first generation is ok, but the second generation is usually very good. I hope that will be the case here.
I noticed on the rooftop outdoor test and the office test ( green jacket)the sound was incredibly thin and unpleasant. Your talking head bits in your basement sounded great but I couldn't remember if you were recording that with this system and its lav mics or a shotgun mic. Is that the normal sound of this system plugged into a camera ? I need a wireless mic system but that sound quality has me a little hesitant. Great work as always.
All of this video, including the talking head parts, were all recorded with the DEITY connect. In the office, you're hearing some phase effects and comb filtering because I was wearing both transmitters.
So, is this a better option than, 2 Rode wireless filmmaker systems... as I already have one and a sound devices mix pre 3.
It is better in terms of features and having a single receiver. But if you’re happy with the performance of your RODELink, adding another is the cheapest option.
Compare to Saramonic?? What about the Sony UWP series that Saramonic obviously knocked off? Granted, the Sony models, especially with the dual-channel URX-P03D receiver, are more expensive than the Saramonic, but still... (I don't know if I'd trust Saramonic anyway.) I don't know, I think in any case I'd go with the Sony just for the more robust UHF bands and the fact that you can quickly pop in extra AA batteries that you can get literally ANYWHERE - alkaline, lithium, or rechargeable NiMH's for the best of both worlds - without having to wait for your components to charge up during lunch and cutting it close, if you have, say, an all-day lecture taping.
The Saramonit and DEITY are aimed at different groups. The Saramonic Blink500 Pro is mainly for video people who want a simple wireless audio solution. The DEITY is for people who want a bit more control over settings to optimize performance. The Sony UWP, as you noted, are different because they transmit over UHF frequencies and can be assigned to a range of frequencies which is a huge benefit to adapt to different situations.
Is it possible to USB C two receivers to utilize 4 wireless lav mics? Some UA-cam videos suggest that linking two receivers would work...making the two receivers act as a single unit. My question is will it actually work - can I monitor al 4 channels with a single headphone - and can these two receivers be channeled into a single DSLR mic input? I've contacted Deity and other UA-camrs ....but so far no response. I would love to see this demonstrated on a video BEFORE I invested $1300. I have a show that I would like to wireless mic up to four people. Will this work ?
Didn't work for me here.
@@curtisjudd Did you actually have two Deity Connect receivers and 4 wireless lavs to work with? There are a couple of UA-cam videos out there that claim daisy chaining the two receivers together work as a single unit....however, I haven't seen this demon started and have not heard back from Deity regarding this work flow.
@@3rdstageproductions589 Yes, I have two kits, connected them via USB-C and...nothing. There aren't any settings in the menus to support this either. Keep asking DEITY to confirm, but it doesn't look like it works with my two Connect kits.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the info and your time. I have one more question if you don't mind...after all, you are the obvious guru of audio. I have a show that I would like to wirelessly lav 4 people. What would you suggest ? Could I use two Deity Connect receivers and go into a 4 channel recorder/mixer ....and then into the single DSLR input to avoid synching - and still have control of all 4 wireless lav transmitters and be able to monitor with headphones? OK...two questions...Lol I would appreciate any input. Thanks again.
@@3rdstageproductions589 Yes, that's how I would approach it. Something like a Sound Devices MixPre-6. Also, with 4 channels of 2.4GHz wireless, I'd be sure that your location will work ok with that. If there's a bunch of other wifi activity or you are in an urban area, there is a good chance you'll run into wireless issues. I'd always prefer a UHF wireless system if possible, though the dual channel versions are a lot more expensive than the DEITY Connect.
Can I ask if somebody tried the Deity Connect system with external lavalier microphones? I would like to use a Sennheiser MKE2 with the system. I hope it won't give problems like it does with Rodelink systems and similar products. For example I heard that in the RodeLink system if you use external lavalier microphone (like the Sanke Cos11) it actually sounds harsh and worst than the cheap mic of the original kit! Thanks for the help.
I used a Sanken COS-11D and it sounded about the same as on other systems though there was a bit more noise in the Connect system than I’d like.
Hi Curtis, is this now effectively obsolete if Deity have stopped making this and successor BP-TRX?
I'm wondering about support for legacy products by Deity and whether it's now smarter to invest in other mainstream kit instead (eg from Sennheiser)?
I would, yes. If you've got the budget.
Curtis: I hook a Deity Connect System up with a Panasonic Lumix S1. I note the Deity system mics ship with the input levels at +24dB. This seems.... extraordinarily high. Is this system intended to output to line level recorders? Why so high?
It can output mic or line level which is nice. Not sure why it ships with a default of +24dB but definitely adjust it to suit your camera’s input.
So fully charged and with out charging how many hours while using it can you get? If anyone else has this let me know too
We covered that in the video.
Wow! I'm really impressed with this budget system and your in depth review of it. I'm curious, @CurtisJudd is the self noise (Hiss) something that could ever be improved via a firmware update?
Evidently some people have done a bunch of in-depth testing and found gain and output settings which reduce the noise a bit. I haven't followed up to test again.
These are now discontinued. I was wondering if it's because of drop outs & signal loss. Some reviews, at B&H eg, have stated inconsistent performance and therefore unreliable in some ppl's eyes. Have you done further tests or have heard something? Thank you.
I stopped using them because they were too noisy. Indoors they're generally fine. Outdoors, like most 2.4GHz wireless systems, they don't work reliably beyond about 20 meters.
Hi, is it worth buying the w.lav pro and using it with the BP-TRX? Would there be a considerable improvement in the audio?
It'll help a little in terms of sound quality, but keep your expectations low. Just a little better.
The self noise is really a dealbreaker for me. Are the self noise still there after the firmware update? Thanks.
Yes, though the firmware update did reduce the self noise when recording in XLR mode.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the reply. Would love if we can listen to the latest update. I'm considering this or the G4.
Sounds the same since I recorded this in DSLR mode.
If you need less self noise, I’d go G4.
While the distance tests are interesting I can't honestly recall ever watching either an interview or film with people out of sight and 25 meters away. Just my 2 cents. I am however impressed with Deity's speedy response to their user community, much like Zoom. This can only mean good things for the future. From new products and innovations to that healthy kick in the pants for the other manufacturers who are resting on their laurels and need to be prodded into action. That's good for them and all of us in general. Very much looking forward to more products and further reviews.
Yes, I agree, I don’t usually do interviews 25 meters away. However, I did work on a narrative piece yesterday where one of the wide shots required me to be about that far away. While that isn’t the norm, it is good to know the limits.
@@curtisjudd .... hahaha touche' In that case it most definitely is good to know.
Deity just announced a firmware update this morning with improvements including softer limiters and less self noise. It'll be interesting to see how effective these updates are!
Amazing! Can't wait to try it out!
Hi Curtis, Greetings from Cali, Colombia
i Have a few questions about this system... The situation is this: i have to start a "small" Reality show in a few weeks, and i will need 8 wireless microphones on set (is a big house and wi will shot video and audio for around 18 hours per day, and caracters will bee around the whole house) so, the question in my mind is: 1st, how long is the transmiters battery live? how far do you think that those caracters can be away from the receivers? does the revceivers can be plug to the external power via USB, without using their internal battery? (is that can damage the internal battery of the receivers?) can i run the 8 channels that i need for this, at the same time? i mean, this 8 channels, will not fight for signal? if you believe, tham the deitys can handle this can of work, what other brand can i use for this? (in the same range of money) Thank you very mucho for four hellp and hope you see this message soon
Hi Adrian, I would be hesitant to use this system for the show you describe here. I have not tested with more than 2 channels so if I were you, I would be sure to test extensively whether this will work. I'm skeptical that it will work well with that many channels. We covered run time in the video so I won't bother you with those details again here. Yes, you can power the receiver by the USB-C port without damaging it. UHF wireless systems are much better suited to using a lot of channels like this but I don't know of any I'd trust for about the same price of the Connect system with 8 channels. I'm sorry about that.
@@curtisjudd oh ok, don't worry curtis, actually i really apreciate you take the time to answer and try to help me... I am a big fan of your chanel, and i follow your videos almost all the time, so, thanks again for your help and have a good night, bye 🤘😎
That self noise is certainly less than ideal.
Yes, and if I know Deity, they will address that quickly. The limiter they'll probably address with a firmware update really quickly. My guess is that they'll have to modify the hardware design to address the self-noise.
@@curtisjudd yeah seems like a sort of version 1.0 thing them, the first S mic had a lot of self noise as well. Although I don't expect a whole new wireless system within a year.
Yeah, will have to wait and see. They developed the S-Mic 2 in only a few months. Not sure how complicated it will be to do something similar with Connect.
Great review! :)
I hope you do another review using the 633 or the F8 system or any recorder with a good preamp and the deity TX connected with a Sanken or B6 or the stock sennheiser mic. =)
Hope to hear from you soon! Keep up the good work! Cheers Curtis!
Although not included in the video, I did test this with the 633 and a Sanken COS-11D and at least in terms of self-noise, the results were nearly identical.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the response. I want to ask also Curtis that if you're going to compare it to the Sennheiser G3/G4 or with the SONY UWPD11 System -- is it going to cut it or the two reliable prosumer system will still be the *best* in it's category? :) Thanks a lot!
@@curtisjudd were you running the reciever at Line into the 633, or mic? Great video btw, i'll probably buy two units for a small indie cart, waiting for deity to comment on the self noise though
@@tommaso.ferrari Update from Deity: They did some testing on their end and found that the outputs are much cleaner when set to DSLR mode rather than RECORD mode. They asked me to test with my copy which I will do once I get back to the studio. Will publish the results as well.
There isn't really a line and mic setting, just a range of output levels (don't have it here with me but -40 to +18 or so). Per Deity's suggestion after I told them I was hearing a lot of self-noise, I set the output level to -18 and the 633 to mic rather than line level for the input. The 633's inputs are very clean so I suspect they are not the likely culprit.
@@curtisjudd thanks for the thorough reply.
In some shows, I can see that the presenter has 2 mics, one on the right, one on the left. Would you use this wireless mic with this configuration? Or is it mainly for two different persons?
You could use it that way but would only keep one on standby otherwise you end up with substantial phase effects.
Curtis Judd merci. And thank you for your great videos. You are amazing.
@@curtisjudd Is there no phase flipping in field recorders?
@@thejoehaege On some, yes, others, no.There just isn't a good reason to keep both mics in the mix at all times that I can think of. Good to keep them both gained up and ready to switch, but even with a phase invert switch, you can still end up with weirdness.
Curtis, I want to level up and get this unit. Since I am new to using sound gear, how does a person check sound levels before a shoot ? or verify gear is working ?
Plug headphones in or some other way ? do you have a video or instruction ? 🙂
Yes, headphones on your audio recorder or camera. Also use the level meters on your audio recorder or camera.
@@curtisjudd, thanks Curtis, i have been recording with lav to my cell phone. You have a recorder suggestion to go with ?
@@RVKevin Lots of them! Here's a meta-review covering recorders at different price ranges: ua-cam.com/video/hqgCZCEq0_8/v-deo.html
I found a good price on a used unit, should I get the new rode wireless pro or this 4years old system? thanks
I’d go RODE or the newer DEITY THEOS: ua-cam.com/video/kY_ZjGBdy0o/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Hi thanks for your videos! I have just a question, please where you finding the page Deity's 2.4Ghz Protocol? Cause in the website them, i don't find it ... Thanks for answer
I don't know about any documentation on the protocol they use. I just talked with Andrew from DEITY.
@@curtisjudd okey thanks for your answer, like I saw it at 14 min 20 on your video, it’s for that. thanks again for your videos I learn so much 😊
This video seems to have sub-par audio quality and an audible "hiss" noise in audio. (Didn't watch whole thing, may have been addressed). Has any sound quality issues been resolved or is other equipment recommended for high quality wireless professional audio?
Hi Mike, yes, that was the main downside of this kit - a fair bit more self noise and the included lavaliers were not the best sounding lavs I’ve used. Detailed in the video if you’re interested.
@@curtisjudd, Your videos are excellent and incredibly useful. Thanks Curtis for your superb contribution to UA-cam and our industry.
Great review....Thanks!
Thanks.
Thanks Curtis! I think this new system suffers from many of the other similar systems: too many buttons and too much digging into menus. This is why I prefer the beauty of the simplicity offered by the new Rode Wireless Go and Sennheiser’s XSW-D systems. For me, less is more.
Depends on who your target market is, for many other people they prefer having more power and flexibility in their hands
Hi Roy, definitely understand what you're saying. In context of the other professional wireless systems out there and the consumer digital systems (XSW-D and GO), the Deity falls nicely between the two in terms of ease of use and flexibility. In fact, probably even more flexible than many of the non-frequency hopping pro systems. It isn't for everyone, totally understood. But for people doing paid work, I'd much rather have the ability to fine tune things like on the Deity.
@@curtisjudd Several months ago I purchased the "ENG Set" from Sennheiser, their "Evolution Wireless G3," (bought it from B&H). I have never used it because, while reading the manual, you have to have a PhD in videography just to turn it on (I'm joking, of course, but you know what I mean). These wireless systems, cameras and camcorders are SO COMPLEX that I have no desire to spend hours and hours on each device trying to figure them out before I use them. I just ordered the "Rode Wireless Go" because I MUST have simplicity and ease. Again, for me, Curtis, less is far more.
@@adobemastr Makes sense.
Hello Curtis, Thanks for the Review
it was Pretty Helpful
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From what i hear is that when theres 8+ WiFi networks is totally unusable audio, and the hiss it’s too high i can even hear it from my phones speaker
Hi Polar MX, that test was a little complex. I was wearing both microphones so you're hearing phase issues between the two. If I wear just one it sounds fine. Also, in that office, there are white noise generators which make up most of the hiss you're hearing. The only issue contributed by all the wifi activity was the dropout at 25 -35 meters.
Curtis Judd Well, thats good to know, still the hiss through all the video is clearly prominent, not much as the Saramonic wireless, but more than G3 and Uwp-D.
And that hiss i only hear it in this review i apreciate that you used the Raw audio, that really helps to know how the system really works!
Thanks for you review.
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Hi Curtis, will you also be reviewing the Saramonic UwMic9S (Kit2) ?
Greetings from Germany!
No plans at the moment. Haven't had a good experience with the previous Saramonic UHF wireless kits. But if I happen upon a kit, I'll try it out.
@@curtisjudd I share your experiences. I just saw, that the "S" set was received major upgrades and since you can get it for under 400,-€ (here in Germany) it could be a very good entry to wireless lavs for some people.
The kit box should have made space for an extra BP-trx
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Have you been able to update the firmware to 2.0? The DUO-RX updated flawlessly, but both of my BP-TX's will not update. I even tried 4 different USB sticks formatted in FAT32 and ExFAT.
Hi Joel, sorry to hear about the issue. I updated both of my kits to v2.0 without a problem. Have you contacted DEITY support? Andrew covers that and should be able to help out. Best wishes!
@@curtisjudd Glad it worked for you, this is so strange I've never seen a USB be rejected before. Yes, my first step was to contact support but no reply yet. I think the company is just too small to deal with servicing customers after purchase.
@@Rice_Cake_ Hi Joel, I hope they contact you soon. The potential benefit of it being a small company is that they should have great customer support.
Although there are so many functions, the noise floor is too high.
disappointing
Hopefully it can be fixed.
why is there such a strong hiss. is that the self noise you mean or is that from the digital system issue
That’s the self noise of the Connect system, at least the set I have.
Hi Curtis
Is there a particular setting for Rx and Tx gains in order to have less floor noise possible with gain staging? I use also a MixPre6
According to one of my friends, he suggested this:
RX: 0 and low latency mode. Higher latency adds some distortion
TX for lav: +18-24, and I like to use the limiter and a low cut around 80-90 Hz.
Curtis, thanks for your quick feedback... It holds true: "If It Seems Too Good To Be True, It Probably Is". By the way that Lectrosonics cable, their proprietary 5 pin to Female XLR, worked out awesome for the remote Boom Shot I wrote you about. I have had a Mackie 48v Phantom Power injector for years which I put in line with my 30 year old Sennheiser 416. It's Like a Best of the best, at it's best! Thanks for your assistance on that project. On that
Saramonic UwMic9 TX9+RX-XLR9 I like the Direct XLR 2 Channel Receiver.
Like you I like having replaceable Batteries. I have been using Deleepow Rechargeable Lithium/Li-ion AA Batteries, 1.5V 3200 mWh 1500 Cycle AA Rechargeable Batteries 4-Pack, with 4 Bay Micro USB Charger. Unlike Eneloop Pro High Capacity Ni-MH Rechargeable Batteries (All the Ni-MH batteries) only produce 1.2V which makes many of the best pieces see as 75% Charged when installed. Rechargeable Lithium/Li-ion AA Batteries put out 1.5v and stay there until they fall below 20%. Flashes, Belt-packs (Receiver/Transmitters) really seem to like that true 1.5v every thing reacts as they would with Top-Shelf disposables installed. They also make 9V's as well... Here is a short cut: (www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QV8GYV3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I really have loved the Eneloop Pro High Capacity, but it's like to see all the light LIGHT when you install the Lithium/Li-ion AA Batteries they give the device the 1.5v it's looking for. Best Wishes and may yo and your's stay safe and healthy... Todd
Thanks Todd and thanks for the details!
can someone confirm the stereo input on the transmitter, so that dual lav setup is possibile, and the backup on the transmitter? thank you!
Hi Gabriele, The connect system comes with two transmitters and two microphones, so it is a dual lav setup out of the box. Are you asking about using 4 lavaliers with it? If so, you should contact DEITY to confirm the pin-outs on the transmitter. I don't recommend wiring two lavs into a single transmitter because the transmitters transmit a mono signal. As for backup on the transmitter, I'm afraid I don't understand your question. There is not a backup recording feature on the transmitter. I hope that helps and best wishes!
@@curtisjudd thank you! my idea was to take a stereo rec with 2 lavs. but in this case I can use the 2 transmitters on the same subject. and for the backup I think I mixed informations with the new trasmitter from deity that can also backup and power up an xlr.
Curtis, I hopping your still staying well as we move through this Pandemic... I am looking through your library for something on inexpensive Wireless, specifically two channel with the option for two Wireless Lavs or One Lav and an XLR interview plug-in. The Saramonic UwMic9 TX9+RX-XLR9 is the one that I'm circling. I am really most impressed with the receiver device and design. I sh0ot 99% with a Sony NX3 Handy-cam, Great 24X Optical Zoom for the Sports I shoot. The built in XLR is amazing and I currently use it with my 416 Boom Mic, which is awesome, but some times I am a one man band. Booming the mic is getting tougher with all the iPhone Competition (I have an iPhone 11Max, I use it as a phone). I have not seen any reviews on them by you, any feedback? Thanks for all that you do, Todd
Hi Todd, I tried twice to review the UWMic9 system and both kits had horrible interference issues and a very loud noise floor so I never finished the reviews. Not recommended based on my experience. It is possible I just got a couple of bad kits.
these sound really good to me. warm, tight & not odd frequencies im noticing that could make it feel electronic and less than smooth. just curious though...i just checked B&H and of the 2 reviews they were both damning. interesting. anyone here been using these over a period of time that could vouch for their reliability and performance. as usual CJ does great informative demos.
My copy has been reliable so far. 😀
Hi Curtis - there is hiss on this video , is this because on the Diety system .
Yes
That's a shame as it noticeable and I would actuality like a sight hi end gain on your voice as it a little bit damp in the 5 k plus range .. but that would only make it worst .. do you use them still? I use rode wireless go and ew 100's but thought these had better signal range, so was considering a purchase.... thanks
Hi Curtis, great review.
Just wondering if you could put your body between the transmitter and receiver when doing the distance tests please? Maybe walk back from the furthest point or put them on the front of your belt when walking away.
Otherwise really in depth review of what is a great little system. If they can lower the self noise and fix the limiter I’ll buy 2.
Done. Did that on the way back. It doesn’t do nearly as well as UHF systems.
Interesting product. I haven’t met a digital wireless system I trust, though. I’ve been burned with them a few times. The manufacturers always seem to claim they have the magic digital wireless pill. Wireless robustness is paramount for most professional uses, IMO. I’ll stick with UHF for now.
Yes, good call.
Great review as allways but if the self noise we hear in this video is anything to go by they're completely unusable
The hiss is way way way too loud - it honestly sounds like your set is broken...
Also overall the sound is pretty muffled and lacks presence and highs
Even the rødes sounds a million times better
Anyone else used these who can chime in ? Are they any good ? Firmware fixed noise ?
The firmware reduced the noise slightly when recording in XLR mode. Otherwise, the self noise was the main disappointment I experienced with this otherwise good system.
i just got my set in, and the closest that i could have drop out is 2 meter, yes 2 meter in indoor environment, 4 meter with 1 wall, will constantly drop out. so is the 100mw just a gimmick? then i do another test side by side with rode link filmmaker kit, rode have slightly better reception then deity. so the result for sennheiser G3 and AVX for sure is way better.
Wow, sounds like something is very wrong with that copy. Best to get in touch with Deity support.
ya thank you curtis, that's what im working on now, and sorry i didn't give more detail of the test, i live in Hong Kong, our building are concrete wall, so for sure is more difficult, and i just got the rode wireless go, and the signal performance of the rode is tiny tiny little bit better then deity.
@@ManHungPho make a video review testing range indoor and outdoor please.
估唔到係度揾到香港人🙋🏻♂️
@@byronabadiasorry i only have a messy home, so i can't show it to the world
Hi Curtis. Do you have anything else to recommend around this price range? I get a little discouraged about the self-noise and built in batteries. Other wise the Bp-trx has good stuff going on. I have the Senheisser Avx system that I like to upgrade from.
Actually, I'd stay with the AVX unless there's something about it that isn't working well?
Hi Curtis, always appreciate your in depth reviews. I'm currently using the system (firmware v.2) and have it running on set. I'm constantly having drop outs even at 3ft distances. This happens on set with a lot of wifi usage and also at my apartment with probably just 10 wifi signals (that is displayed). Specifically, my "A" unit has the worse drop outs. Have you run into this issue with your unit? I've tried researching a lot but seem to be able to find little info/solutions on said topic.
I'll also mention that I do have two Sennheiser AVX Wirelss Lav kits as well and those work perfectly on the same set. I've used these for many years and is going strong.
Hi djktman, I haven't run into this issues, but with 2.4GHz, I am not at all surprised to hear this. AVX uses 1.9GHz as I recall, which is often far less congested.
@@curtisjudd Ah, ok. Thanks a lot Curtis.
Is there any way to work around the self noise issue? Would using a pro lav mic like the Countryman or Sanken help with that? And do you know if Deity has improved the issue since you made this video? Thanks Curtis!
Not that I know of - I tried a Sanken COS-11D and experienced the same noise floor performance.
I'd love to see a future model more like the Sennheiser AVX with removable batteries but unlike the Sennheiser AVX with USB type-c in the removable batteries
And some sort of charge cradle that they can be dropped into for quick easy charging
Good ideas.
I would LOVE for you to do a review of the new deluxe kit with the advanced BP-TRX and lav.pro (I know you've reviewed these individually).
Hope you're doing really well! Your videos are fantastic.
Still waiting for that BP-TRX to arrive.
This self noise sound abnormal from all the other reviews I have watched. Don't you think this system has an issue.
That is possible but a couple of other reviewers say they had similar results. I'm working with Deity to see if there's a problem.
Great review as always! Just subbed. A question: Because I ran into this with my Wireless GO and now with the Deity Connect system-are there any glaring reason why I would be getting dropouts at 15ft and less? 2-3 WiFi networks nearby, TX and RX both within line of sight (aside from the TX being clipped in a pants pocket), power at 100mW. I’m new to wireless systems, but after having tried two different brands of wireless systems that both work on similar tech and experiencing the same issue of multiple random dropouts from
Hi Justin, Are you working outdoors or indoors? I found I had to keep the transmitters on the front of talent when working outdoors. These consumer grade 2.4GHz wireless systems need absolute line of sight when working outdoors. Also, 100mW doesn't always help so you may need to experiment with that as well.
Which one sounds better to your ear, these or the Sennheiser G4?
G4.
In this video it is a lot of noise, is it because of deity connect?
Yes, exactly.
Did the noise floor improve with firmware v2? How does it compare to rodelink?
Very, very slightly. RODELink sounds cleaner to my ears.
@@curtisjudd Thx! I'm on the fence with this kit. I like the dual in/out box. But that noise floor worries me. I wanted to get 4 AVX kit and saw your review about the Deity. 2 x deity way cheaper than 4 x avx
@@ntchi I know - that's the difficult tradeoff. I cannot highly recommend the DEITY Connect because of the self-noise in the system. I'm convinced it will require new hardware to get cleaner performance.
Great review. i amwondering how you would adress latency of the Deity connect with the mixpre series, it is possible?
you have been a super pleasent and greaaat teatcher in my sound Recording endever!
best ragards from Portugal
The MixPre has a delay feature for each input. So I would apply a 19ms delay for all wired microphones
how many channels can be used simultaneously on one site?
It depends on how much other 2.4GHz activity there is in the vicinity. For practical purposes, I would try for more than 4
I am avoiding all products with built-in non-user replaceable batteries. I've had a couple of bad experiences and am trying to find good products with regular batteries. It's not easy, as the trend is to make products that obsolete themselves or require factory service. This wireless set looks great for my use except for that issue. Good review as usual ... Thanks .... I just read that the batts are user replaceable, just not "Pop out" batts. That's ok with me as long as I don't have to send my equipment in to get it worked on. I am a retired guy and my equipment is limited without much redundancy.
Understood. :)
Any thoughts on how this compares to the Audio Technica System 10 wireless kit?
Haven't had a chance to use the AT System 10, unfortunately.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the reply1 I've been using the System 10 with excellent results for several years, but it is definitely not set up for bag use, primarily because the antenna are on the opposite side of the display. When I saw this Deity set up I thought it'd be a great alternative, but only if it is on par or better than the System 10.
@@antanderin Thanks for the details. I've got the System 10 on my list to review along with a lot of others, but hopefully we'll get to it before too long.
Hey Curtis, i just bought these and am using these with the F8n. I've noticed that when the F8n input for these are set to Mic they seem really really hot or high gainy but if switched to line it's significantly quieter. Is there a reason for this and is one better than the other... Or more importantly one is the correct way to set this?
The DEITY Connect can output line level so I would set them both accordingly - the F8n to line input, and the Connect to the right gain level so that the peaks are at the same level on the F8n meters as on the Connect.
1 yard is 0.9144 meters. I would stick with one of the systems or do the calculation properly. just mentioning. Great reaview !
Thanks for the advice.
@curtisjudd such a great comprehensive video about the Diety Connect. It’s always so much more meaningful coming from a pro who knows what he’s talking about, vs just some youtuber. Thank you for taking the time and helping me make my wireless audio solution search easier.
Thanks! 👍🏻
Impressive for the price even if you factor in the Cons. I know this is shocking but you can get a lot better sound and performance for 8X the price from the UHF wireless guys. Regarding your test, I would not have put two TX on as you walk tested the system because that is a good way to create a lot of intermodulation products. Obviously the system manages mapping different frequencies to prevent that as much as possible but I wonder if it caused lower performance? Regarding dual diversity, I question if that is real because if it was dual diversity, when you removed that one antenna there should have been no RF signal loss, but the signal went completely away until the antenna was put back. Anyway, it seems like a significant new product. Get them while you can (if you know what I mean).
Yes, thanks for the correction, I did mean charge cycles, not hours.
Is that me or it’s a bit too much self noise (environment noise/preamp issue) in this review? Your videos and reviews are great, I really appreciate it.
Hi Essi, it is up to you to decide if the hiss is too much for you. Let your ears help make that decision.
can i use two deity 4 Transmitters and Two Recievers at a time? Does this support daisy chaining?
Technically, yes. But be careful. If you've got a lot of 2.4GHz activity in the area, I'd be a little wary of this or any other 2.4GHz wireless microphone system.
This may sound nuts, but would it be possible to remove the 'mushroom top' of the mic so that you could get the lapel clip off and make it easier to hide under clothes?
Checked it, yes, you expose the mic capsule when you do that so have to be careful, but it works.
The hiss is insane, is there a dual lav system around $400 or less that has good warm voice characteristics and doesn’t have that insufferable hiss sound?
RODE Wireless GO II? ua-cam.com/video/aD7LOYiqKE8/v-deo.html
I have had this system for 6 months
And already having issues like drop out.
Very disappointed. DONT BUY.
Thanks for the feedback. Can you tell us more about the dropout issues? What are the circumstances? Similar to what I demonstrated here?
Thanks for the video Curtis! Always informative and fair. I just received my Connect set and am doing my own test too. As for the internal battery, this is what Andrew had to say about it at Gotham Sound: ua-cam.com/video/rc4HCo6gPjE/v-deo.html
Isaac, thanks for that! That is great news!
Great video! Thank You. Is there any resource that explains each setting in more detail? I'm new to all of the audio gear and don't really understand how to set this up to its best settings. There is also a new firmware update 2.0 that came out. Is there any resource that explains the new update in detail? Thanks!
Hmm, I think the Basic Filmmaker channel here on UA-cam has started a series on the DEITY Connect. You might check that.
@@curtisjudd thank you!
I am considering purchasing the Connect system, but I have a couple questions that I haven't found a clear demonstration of yet...
- How well does it handle light-of-sight issues? I know 2.4GHz systems (and others) tend to have problems in large open areas when the transmitter is hidden in a back pocket, etc. Basically blocked by the talent's body.
- I read somewhere that when operating both transmitters, and there is a dropout on one, the other channel also drops. Is that true?
- I have also read the included lav mic heads are quite large and the cap doesn't come off, (e.g., like on the Senneheiser ME-2), making it difficult to use hidden. Is that true?
Hi mokyoworks, this has issues as demonstrated in the distance tests. Usually when one channel drops they both do. Yes, the lavaliers are large but you can remove the grill and remove the clip. Best wishes.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the reply. Your videos are very helpful! When you are first talking to the camera at ~6:36, there doesn't seem to be a problem with the transmitters on your back. Though, when you turn around at 25m there is that definite dropout. Would be curious to see the limit on the "blocked" line-of-sight.
@@paulndorosh its at about 15 to 20 meters but it depends a LOT on the location. Outdoors without any walls nearby is the toughest situation for ALL 2.4GHz wireless systems.
Amazing chronology. I paused for the beginning summary, and continued for the video. Very good organization, thanks for adding purity to the world.
Thanks for the feedback, Joey.
They look nice but definitely not usable for professional sound recording because of the non-removable batteries..
Thanks peruperu 0516
Curtis thank you for adding the update information in the comments. Found it beneficial to read about the firmware releases and improvements Deity is making in such a short amount of time. It is coming down between 2) Rode Go's vs 1) Deity Lav kit
You bet and will post more as we learn more!
Do you have an opinion on how the deity connect compares to the rode wireless lineup. Not so much in features but in sound quality.
The RODELink sounds cleaner to my ear.
One of the best educators on the internet. Thanks. Oh..also quite trustworthy source of information.
Thanks Manoj.
Could this be used for live sound as well?
Yes, definitely.
Curtis, from your experience, for Deity to improve the self-noise issues, we are looking at a Version 2 of the product, or you think it is fixable with a firmware?
Likely hardware and a version 2 but one never knows. Some have suggested that my copy has more self noise than others and Deity is looking into it.
Hello. Thanks a lot for the review. Just one question. Does those transmitter can provide 48V phantom power energy to a shotgun microphone ? Thanks a lot for you answer.
Hi, unfortunately, no, the transmitter does not provide phantom power.
You’re awesome man! Been waiting for this. Two questions before I pull the trigger
Is the self noise manageable? I have RX advanced and that’s been a life saver for me.
You said they’re bulky for narrative films....is it “mission impossible” or “mission difficult” to use Anthony Hopkins’ bit from MI2. I guess I could upgrade/downsize then if too bad.
Thanks in advance.
Hi David, yes, the self noise seems generally manageable. It is not mission impossible. About the same as Sennheiser G3 packs if that helps.