Note of warning: the 21 (the DPA adapter shown at 2:45) is not the right one for current Lectro transmitters. The DAD3021 is the right one for "UM400" or earlier txs. From "UM400a" onwards ("servo bias input" txs like the SM, SMD, etc) the DAD3056 is the right one to use. (Larry FIsher, from Lectro, dixit).
Very helpful. Building out a minimal documentary film kit for when I'm solo without an audio person and this was just the video I needed. Thanks for putting it together and sharing!
I think the COS-11 still sounds best to my ears here...great clarity but still warm enough. W.Lav Pro sounds surprisingly good even kinda close the DPA..really impressed! That CMIT at the end though...just perfect.
The CMIT is such a nice mic. It has a really forgiving pickup pattern regarding the way it ‘falls off’. You can often get 3 people with it no problem using just some subtle cuing.
SUPER HELPFUL REVIEW!! For your voice I do prefer in no particular order DPA 6060, Countryman B6 and Deity W.Lav Pro. Sanken didn't do it for me. The Deity W.Lav Pro was actually my preferred sound. Thanks so much.
I was a cos11 guy who pretty much will be getting w.lav prod in the future from now on. Easy to hide, sounds amazing, and rustle with the cos11 is much more prominant. Love the review and glad I'm not the only one who sees the potential in the w.lav pro
I also have 2 COS-11 and recently bought 3 Deity Lav Pro. Excellent mic for the price!!! They`re same thickness as COS-11, and I can use alegators and wind grills from COS-11 on my Deity Lav-pro when I need news stile for some resons. And for film they`re easier to hide because cable is thinner then COS-11
Benefit if dude address Tram is you can face it backwards but mount the windscreen per usual. Doing both of those things really helps fight wind noise when using unhidden.
I'm listening avidly to this review with earbuds in my ears as instructed, and was half way through before it occurred to me that as a retired engineer, and 72 years old, I have bugger all hearing above 10kHz, and precious little even above 8kHz. As such, I actually preferred the Countryman, and didn't like the boom mic at all! Oh well. At least I don't need to waste megabucks on high end HiFi, because it would be entirely wasted on me.
Wow, one of the best mic videos I've found on YT. Just what I have been looking for. I just bought a Hollyland Lark 150 and was looking to upgrade the mics, and your video has really helped. Thanks, man.
Agreed on the TR-50 but flatter mic can be equalized to match. regarding the deity micro I read that it starts hissing when sweat makes its way in the capsule.
So far I'm most impressed with the TR50. Edit: I closed my eyes near the end and just listened, and every time it was the TR50 that made me pay attention as well as the Schoeps CMIT5U.
Thanks for the compliments. Always trying to take the production level up a bit - without getting too overwhelmed. Newfound respect for camera, lighting and post departments!
Absolute legend. This was the exact video I was looking for, needed microphones that could be easily hidden with high quality around the studio. The cos11d and countrymen both seem very appealing, can we use these with the wireless transmitters from DGI and Road? Cheers
Tram has the best sound. The sound comes out so clear. Without seeing which mic was being used when you switched mics, the Tram stood out as the clearest to me.
I've used a Sony ECM-77B pretty much my whole career (31 years as of this writing). It's been an industry standard at least in broadcast, not sure about film or corporate (but I've always loved it). I don't hear too much about it these days, with the Sanken COS-11D pretty much being the industry darling now. I'm wondering how people feel about the 77 compared to the Sanken.
@@Midash2k I used the ECM77 from 1985 for about a decade and loved it. But on a lark I asked my boss to get me a Tram TR50. I never looked back. I don't appreciate the strain relief on the Tram - if a reporter twisted the cable around on the clip and I figured the 'lifetime' of my TR50 was around 5-ish years. I still think for getting sharp clean audio for TV News, nothing beats the higher end punch from the TR50.
Hello, thank you for all your info, great video... so, we want to produce a reality show with 12 people talking in a room, which mic is the best and what we need to buy to connect them together?
@@antoniohamet6239 12 talent on mics at once is a lot to manage especially if you need them to be wireless mics (so cast are free to roam around). If they’re all sitting the whole time, you could go tethered with wired mics but that would very likely get really messy with all those cables. Coordinating 12 channels of wireless is not a simple feat and the cost of that many systems is quite an investment. I highly suggest you hire a Production Sound Mixer for a production of that scope. They will be able to source and provide(rent) the proper equipment taking into consideration the parameters of the show (# of cameras, # of cast, whether or not the mics should be hidden, are the mics being recorded to individual isolated tracks, creating a sync workflow between audio and camera files).
I was looking into w.lav mics a while back, but was persuaded away by reddit. You actually owning 10+ COS-11d's and vouching for the w.lav is the strongest endorsement :)
The Cos11 feels more robust (thicker cable), and is still my go-to Lav mic. But I was impressed with the sound and size of the W.Lavs. I haven't had them long enough to comment on how they hold up long-term.
Love your videos, straight to the point and super helpful! I just subscribed, looking forward to more videos. I think I may go with the COSD 11 or the Deity. I'm unfamiliar with the recorders in this area. I'm used to recorders like the zoom h1, or Zoom F1-LP. (3.5mm recorders). Would love a video breaking down some of the recorders you use and maybe some budget options? Again, love the channel!
For me minimal rustle and hiding is the most important factors. The B6 is lacking in the highs but they are appearing really cheap on the second hand market right now.
Wow, the w.lav pro sounds really close to the dpa (my winner here), just a pinch more noise and less brightness, but for the price is quite amazing actually!
Had bad experience with mixing sanken recorded Vox. Its not a forgiving lav if the gain on the recorder isn't structured right. I'm sure I want the TR50 and I am super impressed with the deity lav heads.
@@ikonmediafilms trouble mixing Sankens in Post? Must’ve been user error by the recordist (or lack of one). Poor gain structure is a problem for any mic.
its interesting what you said about the countryman as there are a few people who use that for just picking up exhaust sounds on a car with it mounted outside of the car, because it can pick up the higher DB levels.
@@HubLocationSound actually I've seen some stuck in between the panels because how small they are without windshields 🤷 but I think they are pretty clean for what they are
It's the lav and distance but mainly it should be about the bit rate and KHz so you can have tons of flexibility in post to bring up the lowest and super high clipped audio files back to normal levels.
Thank you for this video. Just doing some pre-production on sound for my first feature. Thinking of going with two Deity Pro. Will check out your other videos. Thanks again.
to me 3 were noisy comparatively.. Sanken and countryman are the noisiest, more than dpa and deity. Thanks for that. I wonder if diety has a head set for stage?
Nice presentation thank you for putting it together. I was hoping for an MKE2 sample to hear how they hold up. We all hear things in our own way. I thought the Countryman sounded natural like an actual person a few feet away.
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whoa the tram tr50 sounds amazing! Pretty bright but for me that is a good thing since effects like reverb removal etc. dampen the sound too
Great to see a new video sir. I'm glad you are looking at different price points. I myself own the Diety Lav Pro and I kind of fell into the same boat where Covid didn't allow me to use it a lot. I don't know if it's my units but I don't really know if my sound quality is as good as the ones you have. Again, I should do more tests. This is also the first time I've used microdot and I've noticed that sometimes the threads can turn on the connector when the talent is wearing them. I don't know if you have this problem. But good to see you again.
Hi Brian, thank you for your comment. I'm looking to get my first lav mic as a backup audio for interviews, and as a primary audio for recording in untreated rooms/outdoors. I'd like to know your opinion between the COS11 and TR50, because I've been hesitating between the both of them recently. Thank you.
Really excellent and 100% fair comparison. It cracks me up that you're wired up with 6 lavs at once, lol. That some mad scientist shit right there. But, as a now working sound guy, I'm getting out of the prosumer range and more into investing in pro level gear. My Sennheiser G3s are suiting my needs just fine for now, but I want to upgrade the lavs asap. Perfect video for that tough decision. I LOVE the Sanken the most and is leading the pack for me. I think the Tram is excellent, too, and may grab one or two in the future. But, thinking about budget and having to buy two (one for each wireless pack), I'm really leaning towards the Diety mics. I think they're excellent quality. I preferred the warmth and almost a "tube-like" presence out of the Sanken (in my opinion, anyway), but the closest to that for me was either Diety. Thanks for the video and also for turning me onto Trew Audio. Wow! They have it all! Whatever I purchase, I'll definitely use your links. Thanks, Jim!
Thanks for the comparison! Yeah TR-50 is not bad. It was my first mic I bought over the ME2. It sounds good, but a bit more selfnoise than the 4060's I go to normally. Good to hear that they seem to have addressed the Lectro microdot issue they had before.
@@jomymatthews early reviews showed that it was hissy. Not sure how to see it, but I guess you can try it vs YPA or orginal DPA adapter to see if you have a solid exemplar
I dont mean to be so off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an instagram account? I stupidly forgot the login password. I love any tips you can give me.
@Bobby Uriel I really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm trying it out now. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
I do own some TR50s. They're pretty good for heavy clothing layers and dark sounding voices. Overall they're great, just be mindful some PFX sounds will be a bit too bright and crunchy.
Have you done a video on the best transmitters to pair these mics with? If not can you do one on the best transmitters and or how to properly pair a mic to a transmitter?
Thank you for so detail sharing about these mics, I have a question~ Can I use Cos-11d on my Deity HD-Tx transmitter and my Zoom H6？ Because it only show for sennheiser and sony transmitter! The 3.5mm version, thank you!
Thanks for making this, it's a great video and comparison. Would love to see how you handle micing someone for an exercise video. I had to do that myself and although we pulled it off, I'd really like to see how a pro does it. Thanks.
I recommend head-worn mics (like the DPA 4066 or 4166) for exercise if production doesn't mind it being seen. It's just going to get you the best coverage and signal to noise (as it's so close to their lips - also helps with bleed from background noise/music playback). Lavs are tough (coverage-wise) especially if they're contorting or rolling around on the floor.
Hi mate I've got a question... For budget and convince I'm planning on shooting a short film using a senny 416 boom set up for exterior shots and for interior shots I have a Neumann tlm 107 studio mic that I was considering using because of the way it picks up sound. Is that a good idea? Supposed a more Omni mic for interiors are better suited opposed to shotguns. Also I don't have the budget to get lav receivers unless I use my rode wireless lav and get one the deity lavs. Cheers really appreciate any help.
This was very helpful. Thank you. Do you have any videos about how to hide lave mics and the accessories you would need for this? Would you recommend any of these mics over any of the others when it comes to clothing noise?
Hi Jim, enjoyed your video - a very clear and practical comparison of these mics. I come from the classical recording side of audio but am slowly getting into film/video audio. Just wondered, do you have any experience with the DPA necklace mic, say compared to the 6060 lav? Appreciate it´s a somewhat different approach to micing up speech. The necklace is absolutely not concealed but rather thought of as jewelry (!) I find it quite good, especially when you can get the capsule to actually be in contact with the skin. Then it´s pretty much right over the vocal chords I guess! Visually my experience is that women are more comfortable about using this, understandably.
excellent video as always Jim! What's your goto DPA mic for most situations? 4060/6060, or the 4061/6061? Do you often need the higher SPL mic? or is 6060 just fine enough?
Hi! Nice and usefull video! Thanks. In the Deity W.Lav Pro -soun I hear strong comb filtering or kinda frequency interference problem. Interestingli it is not in Deity W.Lav Micro's sound. Is it because of it's placement (I can not see the reason) or it is the mic's characteristic?
Can one use the Deity micro or something like the Sennheiser ME 2 with the DJI wireless mic? Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not sure how it works with power/compatibility. Thanks for your great videos!!
I've seen some users report (RF interference) issues using the Rode Pro Lavs with the DJI Mic system. I've seen others say they've used Deity, Sanken and Countryman lavs successfully with the DJI. If you get a Deity Micro, make sure it has this connector included: amzn.to/447oNqb
Man this is really helpful. I have been using a tascam DR10L for filming weddings. But now that I’m doing higher end commercial brand projects, I realized I NEED to be monitoring the audio during the shoot. So I have a mountain of stuff to learn. Is there any way I can pay you like $50 to have a zoom call so you can help me understand the basics of this? Maybe like a 12 minute zoom call?
I'm new to lavalier mic's, but need one to fit into the small mic hole of a Meinl Ibo Tri Udu drum for mic' ing it internally. It is for home (studio) recording, so the drum would be close to my audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (3rd gen) and Logic Pro. I need the mic to pick up the full range, including bass and be able to handle fairly loud sound. I know nothing about how to connect, other than XLR ... whether wireless connection results in latency during recording, etc. I heard about the micro-dot connectors but have no idea how these connections would connect to either my audio interface to into my DAW on my MacBook Pro (M1) with Max chip. Any advice would be greatly (extremely) appreciated :-)
Hi All, can anyone assist me with the Cos-11? I am trying to purchase one for my Tentacle Track E but I am unsure which connection to buy. Anyone have any advice?
Hey Jim, what were your lav’s Connected to? Hardlined or a specific wireless transmitter? PS. I don’t think a B6 has been on Broadway in ten years. We tend to be DPA or Sennheiser. But, You should also look at Point Source Audio for another low cost lav, it’s getting more popular in theater.
Ken Goodwin I had 3 of them on Lectrosonics packs (B6 and the Diety’s) the others were hardwired using Ambient Eumels. Everything was going into a Sound Devices 688. I will keep an eye for Point Source mics. Not familiar with them.
hello, currently what do you think is the best lavalier to connect to the tascam h1n (which from what i understand is the best at that price) under 100 dollars? thank you!
Which would you recommend for making cycling videos via a djij actiion 4, which has a USB-c intereface? I'd also need a TRS too USB-c adaptor, which I assume would lose some audio quality in the DAC?
Yes, the Action4 has this adapter that offers an 1/8” mic input but also frees up the usb-c port: amzn.to/3VNmIgJ Personally, I still lean on my Sanken Cos11D lavs the most. For cycling, I recommend getting some good wind protection for your lav like these fur bubbles: amzn.to/4eLRDTb
Excellent video. I have a question. If am looking to use with my wireless setup, which is better to use. I am using with my UHS transmitter/receiver on the actor, speaker. I uss the Zoom F6 and it has a 3.5mm input on the mic transmitter. Do I need to a xlr input to use any of these or will my 3.5 work? I am filming a short movie in a high school and teaching filmmaking. We are using a Panasonic Mirrorless camera and the F6 for external audio. Sound is important hence my questions. Thanks in advance. New subscriber. 😊
Hi Terry, If your transmitter pack accepts 3.5mm lavs, all the lav mics in this video should work as long as you order a version that is termintated with 3.5mm(1/8”) or has a 1/8” adapter. Your brand of wireless system might have special wiring, so look for compatibility with that brand when you order.
@@HubLocationSound As I am in Shanghai working, I got the Deity Lav pro for about 110 USD with some special fur double side tape to mount on clothing. I do my on post audio editing with Steinberg Wavelab, Neundo or Cubase. Is there anything you think I need to look out for in terms of range, frequency when filming with these. I have 2 on the main characters and other less expensive ones for crowd actors. Thanks for your input.
Would love to get your opinion on Shure vs. Sennheiser receivers/transmitters for broadcast. We use Sankens but are contemplating switching to Shure transmitters from current Sennheisers. Is there a reason Shure is so common with pros? Thanks!
Hello, thank you for your good comparison video. I have question for your recording device. Could you share your device name and brief recording setup? It will a lot help for me and my friends.
In this video I tested the lavs I own or had access to. I’ve never used the Sony lavs and don’t know any Location Mixers who own them. The ecm66 is cardioid which eliminates it as hidable mic for me, the 77 is omni but a bit large/bulbous compared to others. The 88 looks promising size-wise. I’ll have to try that at some point.
@@HubLocationSound Thanks for such a prompt reply and for your excellent video. Just for the record, I believe the Sony ECM-77 is widely used in TV production studios and maybe less on location. It is only marginally larger than the Sanken COS-11d. The more recent Sony ECM-88 is much smaller than either. The sound quality of both of these is their best feature.
These mics are all 'normal sensitivity' and you could likely get them to 'clip' if you screamed into them closely. However... the Sanken Cos11D comes in an alternate "reduced sensitivity" version (has a red band near the connector) designed to handle higher sound pressure levels. The DPA 6061 is a reduced sensitivity version of the 6060. The Countryman B6 is also available in 2 lower sensivities -10db and -20db. The trade-off in all reduced sensitivity mics is a smaller window of dynamic range which if used to record soft spoken voices will reveal a more noticeable noise floor.
@@HubLocationSound i think if i pair the one that u said would have a noisy noise floor when raised to a 32bit float device in theory should be the perfect dynamic
1:06 - DPA 6060
3:06 - Sanken Cos11D
4:02 - Countryman B6
6:52 - Tram TR50
8:37 - Deity W.Lav Micro
11:16 - Deity W.Lav Pro
13:33 - Comparison
Sweet! Thank you for the time stamps, Seba Sosa.
TR50 baby! Still using mine!
This is a game changer for me. I do a lot of wedding ceremonies and didn’t realize how many quality options there are. Thank you!
Note of warning: the 21 (the DPA adapter shown at 2:45) is not the right one for current Lectro transmitters. The DAD3021 is the right one for "UM400" or earlier txs. From "UM400a" onwards ("servo bias input" txs like the SM, SMD, etc) the DAD3056 is the right one to use. (Larry FIsher, from Lectro, dixit).
Very helpful. Building out a minimal documentary film kit for when I'm solo without an audio person and this was just the video I needed. Thanks for putting it together and sharing!
I'm pleasantly surprised by the Diety mics. Ive been a COS 11 user for years now. What you have done is made me want a CMIT 5U even more.
I think the COS-11 still sounds best to my ears here...great clarity but still warm enough. W.Lav Pro sounds surprisingly good even kinda close the DPA..really impressed! That CMIT at the end though...just perfect.
Wesley Ayliffe yes, CMIT is a beauty. This comparison should be shown to DP’s so they know why we fight for the boom ;)
The CMIT is such a nice mic. It has a really forgiving pickup pattern regarding the way it ‘falls off’. You can often get 3 people with it no problem using just some subtle cuing.
SUPER HELPFUL REVIEW!! For your voice I do prefer in no particular order DPA 6060, Countryman B6 and Deity W.Lav Pro. Sanken didn't do it for me. The Deity W.Lav Pro was actually my preferred sound. Thanks so much.
Oh my God, Tram TR50 is pretty amazing for a lavalier mic! Thank you so much bud.
Thats what I'm thinking!
Exactly what I thought.
He said it's bad
Yerp...TR50 for me, with the COS11D in close 2nd place. Great video Jim🔥🔥🔥Truly, much appreciated!
I was a cos11 guy who pretty much will be getting w.lav prod in the future from now on. Easy to hide, sounds amazing, and rustle with the cos11 is much more prominant. Love the review and glad I'm not the only one who sees the potential in the w.lav pro
How has the W.Lav been treating you? in particular with rustle and hiding the lav?
I also have 2 COS-11 and recently bought 3 Deity Lav Pro. Excellent mic for the price!!! They`re same thickness as COS-11, and I can use alegators and wind grills from COS-11 on my Deity Lav-pro when I need news stile for some resons. And for film they`re easier to hide because cable is thinner then COS-11
Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Benefit if dude address Tram is you can face it backwards but mount the windscreen per usual. Doing both of those things really helps fight wind noise when using unhidden.
I'm listening avidly to this review with earbuds in my ears as instructed, and was half way through before it occurred to me that as a retired engineer, and 72 years old, I have bugger all hearing above 10kHz, and precious little even above 8kHz. As such, I actually preferred the Countryman, and didn't like the boom mic at all! Oh well. At least I don't need to waste megabucks on high end HiFi, because it would be entirely wasted on me.
oh wow, that’s so interesting
Thanks for sharing pro lavs instead of the usual UA-camr prosumer picks. I have the Deity Lav Pro. The Sanken seems like the real deal.
This was so well done! What a great shoot out.
Really impressed with the Deity mics. Great value.
Wow, one of the best mic videos I've found on YT. Just what I have been looking for. I just bought a Hollyland Lark 150 and was looking to upgrade the mics, and your video has really helped. Thanks, man.
Glad it was helpful!
Agreed on the TR-50 but flatter mic can be equalized to match. regarding the deity micro I read that it starts hissing when sweat makes its way in the capsule.
So far I'm most impressed with the TR50.
Edit: I closed my eyes near the end and just listened, and every time it was the TR50 that made me pay attention as well as the Schoeps CMIT5U.
Tram was the brightest by far.
@@HubLocationSound true
Excellent and much needed video demo. Also nicely made video, good lighting, great sound of course, and good editing. Thanks.
Thanks for the compliments. Always trying to take the production level up a bit - without getting too overwhelmed. Newfound respect for camera, lighting and post departments!
Thanks for the video, Jim. Very, very helpful comparisons
Thanks, Todd
Absolute legend. This was the exact video I was looking for, needed microphones that could be easily hidden with high quality around the studio.
The cos11d and countrymen both seem very appealing, can we use these with the wireless transmitters from DGI and Road?
Cheers
Tram has the best sound. The sound comes out so clear. Without seeing which mic was being used when you switched mics, the Tram stood out as the clearest to me.
It’s certainly the brightest.
I've used a Sony ECM-77B pretty much my whole career (31 years as of this writing). It's been an industry standard at least in broadcast, not sure about film or corporate (but I've always loved it). I don't hear too much about it these days, with the Sanken COS-11D pretty much being the industry darling now. I'm wondering how people feel about the 77 compared to the Sanken.
ECM 77B is tha shit
@@Midash2k I used the ECM77 from 1985 for about a decade and loved it. But on a lark I asked my boss to get me a Tram TR50. I never looked back. I don't appreciate the strain relief on the Tram - if a reporter twisted the cable around on the clip and I figured the 'lifetime' of my TR50 was around 5-ish years. I still think for getting sharp clean audio for TV News, nothing beats the higher end punch from the TR50.
Check out my ‘5 Basic Tips for Hiding Lav Mics’: ua-cam.com/video/W-3i7Wxbtno/v-deo.html
So what do we all think... which Lav mic "wins"?
Hello, thank you for all your info, great video... so, we want to produce a reality show with 12 people talking in a room, which mic is the best and what we need to buy to connect them together?
@@antoniohamet6239 12 talent on mics at once is a lot to manage especially if you need them to be wireless mics (so cast are free to roam around). If they’re all sitting the whole time, you could go tethered with wired mics but that would very likely get really messy with all those cables. Coordinating 12 channels of wireless is not a simple feat and the cost of that many systems is quite an investment. I highly suggest you hire a Production Sound Mixer for a production of that scope. They will be able to source and provide(rent) the proper equipment taking into consideration the parameters of the show (# of cameras, # of cast, whether or not the mics should be hidden, are the mics being recorded to individual isolated tracks, creating a sync workflow between audio and camera files).
Tram.
I was looking into w.lav mics a while back, but was persuaded away by reddit.
You actually owning 10+ COS-11d's and vouching for the w.lav is the strongest endorsement :)
The Cos11 feels more robust (thicker cable), and is still my go-to Lav mic. But I was impressed with the sound and size of the W.Lavs. I haven't had them long enough to comment on how they hold up long-term.
This video is quite educative! I loved the clear comparison... it helped me make my decision. Thank you!
Love your videos, straight to the point and super helpful! I just subscribed, looking forward to more videos. I think I may go with the COSD 11 or the Deity. I'm unfamiliar with the recorders in this area. I'm used to recorders like the zoom h1, or Zoom F1-LP. (3.5mm recorders). Would love a video breaking down some of the recorders you use and maybe some budget options? Again, love the channel!
For me minimal rustle and hiding is the most important factors. The B6 is lacking in the highs but they are appearing really cheap on the second hand market right now.
Wow, the w.lav pro sounds really close to the dpa (my winner here), just a pinch more noise and less brightness, but for the price is quite amazing actually!
Had bad experience with mixing sanken recorded Vox. Its not a forgiving lav if the gain on the recorder isn't structured right. I'm sure I want the TR50 and I am super impressed with the deity lav heads.
@@ikonmediafilms trouble mixing Sankens in Post? Must’ve been user error by the recordist (or lack of one). Poor gain structure is a problem for any mic.
its interesting what you said about the countryman as there are a few people who use that for just picking up exhaust sounds on a car with it mounted outside of the car, because it can pick up the higher DB levels.
Well... with enough wind protection anything will work. Perhaps the exhaust is so loud they don’t notice the wind?
@@HubLocationSound actually I've seen some stuck in between the panels because how small they are without windshields 🤷 but I think they are pretty clean for what they are
This was a gold mine of information thank you so much!
It's the lav and distance but mainly it should be about the bit rate and KHz so you can have tons of flexibility in post to bring up the lowest and super high clipped audio files back to normal levels.
Thank you for this video. Just doing some pre-production on sound for my first feature. Thinking of going with two Deity Pro. Will check out your other videos. Thanks again.
@@ernestacosta2431 did you try the Deity pros? Thoughts?
to me 3 were noisy comparatively.. Sanken and countryman are the noisiest, more than dpa and deity. Thanks for that. I wonder if diety has a head set for stage?
Nice presentation thank you for putting it together. I was hoping for an MKE2 sample to hear how they hold up.
We all hear things in our own way. I thought the Countryman sounded natural like an actual person a few feet away.
whoa the tram tr50 sounds amazing! Pretty bright but for me that is a good thing since effects like reverb removal etc. dampen the sound too
just picked up the Diety, great reviews and explanations!
Great to see a new video sir. I'm glad you are looking at different price points. I myself own the Diety Lav Pro and I kind of fell into the same boat where Covid didn't allow me to use it a lot. I don't know if it's my units but I don't really know if my sound quality is as good as the ones you have. Again, I should do more tests. This is also the first time I've used microdot and I've noticed that sometimes the threads can turn on the connector when the talent is wearing them. I don't know if you have this problem. But good to see you again.
Hey mate, good to know that you have the deity. Have you tested the mic yet?
@@A12Diary I have. It works great.
Thanks for this, was debating on what I should get, I have a few COS11 and TR50 but very interested In the Deity Pro.
Hi Brian, thank you for your comment. I'm looking to get my first lav mic as a backup audio for interviews, and as a primary audio for recording in untreated rooms/outdoors. I'd like to know your opinion between the COS11 and TR50, because I've been hesitating between the both of them recently. Thank you.
Very helpful. Lots of great info as always. Thanks!
Thank you, Paul. Glad you found it useful.
Really excellent and 100% fair comparison. It cracks me up that you're wired up with 6 lavs at once, lol. That some mad scientist shit right there. But, as a now working sound guy, I'm getting out of the prosumer range and more into investing in pro level gear. My Sennheiser G3s are suiting my needs just fine for now, but I want to upgrade the lavs asap. Perfect video for that tough decision. I LOVE the Sanken the most and is leading the pack for me. I think the Tram is excellent, too, and may grab one or two in the future. But, thinking about budget and having to buy two (one for each wireless pack), I'm really leaning towards the Diety mics. I think they're excellent quality. I preferred the warmth and almost a "tube-like" presence out of the Sanken (in my opinion, anyway), but the closest to that for me was either Diety. Thanks for the video and also for turning me onto Trew Audio. Wow! They have it all! Whatever I purchase, I'll definitely use your links. Thanks, Jim!
First lav mic review for me...thank you and well done 👍
Thanks for the comparison! Yeah TR-50 is not bad. It was my first mic I bought over the ME2. It sounds good, but a bit more selfnoise than the 4060's I go to normally. Good to hear that they seem to have addressed the Lectro microdot issue they had before.
What is the Lectro microdot issue? If I buy one how would I know it doesn't have it? Thank you
@@jomymatthews early reviews showed that it was hissy. Not sure how to see it, but I guess you can try it vs YPA or orginal DPA adapter to see if you have a solid exemplar
Great stuff brother keep it up!
deity sounds really good. I use dpa 6060s and 6061s but would consider trying deity for a fraction of a cost
I have 4060s and 6060s but have some Deitys in my kit for physical scenes and green talent. They absolutely keep up and if they break, it hurts less.
These videos are great. Thanks man.
Can I invite you to test our microphone? No need to exaggerate our products, just let others understand our products better, welcome to free testing
Bro... this is OUTRAGEOUSLY helpful!
Thanks a lot, it was a lot quicker to watch than compare each one manually.
Really good video. Cos11 is what I have so its good to know that I made a great choice. Thanks
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Absolutely amazing!! This helped me so much when deciding on my mic. I’m doing a traveling podcast studio from a backpack. Thank you!!!
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Awesome video bud!
I do own some TR50s. They're pretty good for heavy clothing layers and dark sounding voices.
Overall they're great, just be mindful some PFX sounds will be a bit too bright and crunchy.
Have you done a video on the best transmitters to pair these mics with? If not can you do one on the best transmitters and or how to properly pair a mic to a transmitter?
Thanks I'm building my first kit and this video really helped
Just found your channel and this is SO helpful! Thinking about creating some short video content and this might be perfect for what I need, thank you!
Thanks, a really helpful and professional review so we could really hear the difference.
TR50 sounds the best, with the disadvantage of it being very sibilant. I also like the DPA mic, sounds very full and clear without too much sibilance
Agreed. Like he said in the video though, you can pretty much flip it around to take care of that.
Nice review. Tram sounded pretty good!
I found the OST lavs mix well, too, with a little high-freq kick. Bummer you didn't have one handy!
Stefan Chakerian thanks Stefan. Yeah, no OST’s nor MKE2’s to compare unfortunately.
really handy , just what I was looking for .... thanks
Anyone know how to get the Deity Pro into a Rode wireless go?
You can’t just plug it in?
Thank you for so detail sharing about these mics, I have a question~
Can I use Cos-11d on my Deity HD-Tx transmitter and my Zoom H6？
Because it only show for sennheiser and sony transmitter! The 3.5mm version, thank you!
Bonjour. Svp est ce cela peu fonctionner avec un smartphone ou tablette svp ?
Thanks for making this, it's a great video and comparison. Would love to see how you handle micing someone for an exercise video. I had to do that myself and although we pulled it off, I'd really like to see how a pro does it. Thanks.
I recommend head-worn mics (like the DPA 4066 or 4166) for exercise if production doesn't mind it being seen. It's just going to get you the best coverage and signal to noise (as it's so close to their lips - also helps with bleed from background noise/music playback). Lavs are tough (coverage-wise) especially if they're contorting or rolling around on the floor.
👌🏼 excellent! Very useful to hear all in a row, thanks
Would love love to see the placement on these mics please
The placements are shown 00:20 - just 3 mics stuck side by side to the inside of the shirt using a strip of moleskin to each side of the placket.
Cool review!!!! Thank`s alot!!! Very very very useful.
Hi mate I've got a question...
For budget and convince I'm planning on shooting a short film using a senny 416 boom set up for exterior shots and for interior shots I have a Neumann tlm 107 studio mic that I was considering using because of the way it picks up sound. Is that a good idea? Supposed a more Omni mic for interiors are better suited opposed to shotguns. Also I don't have the budget to get lav receivers unless I use my rode wireless lav and get one the deity lavs. Cheers really appreciate any help.
This was very helpful. Thank you. Do you have any videos about how to hide lave mics and the accessories you would need for this? Would you recommend any of these mics over any of the others when it comes to clothing noise?
Hi Jim, enjoyed your video - a very clear and practical comparison of these mics. I come from the classical recording side of audio but am slowly getting into film/video audio. Just wondered, do you have any experience with the DPA necklace mic, say compared to the 6060 lav? Appreciate it´s a somewhat different approach to micing up speech. The necklace is absolutely not concealed but rather thought of as jewelry (!) I find it quite good, especially when you can get the capsule to actually be in contact with the skin. Then it´s pretty much right over the vocal chords I guess! Visually my experience is that women are more comfortable about using this, understandably.
amazing works. Thanks!
excellent video as always Jim! What's your goto DPA mic for most situations? 4060/6060, or the 4061/6061? Do you often need the higher SPL mic? or is 6060 just fine enough?
Hi! Nice and usefull video! Thanks. In the Deity W.Lav Pro -soun I hear strong comb filtering or kinda frequency interference problem. Interestingli it is not in Deity W.Lav Micro's sound. Is it because of it's placement (I can not see the reason) or it is the mic's characteristic?
Can one use the Deity micro or something like the Sennheiser ME 2 with the DJI wireless mic? Sorry for the noob question, but I'm not sure how it works with power/compatibility. Thanks for your great videos!!
I've seen some users report (RF interference) issues using the Rode Pro Lavs with the DJI Mic system. I've seen others say they've used Deity, Sanken and Countryman lavs successfully with the DJI. If you get a Deity Micro, make sure it has this connector included: amzn.to/447oNqb
Nice! That Tram really sounds awesome but the best is still CMIT5!
It sure is!
Very Helpful. Thank you!
Great insight my friend! Thanks for the review
helpful demonstration. ¿No Sennheiser lavs?
The B6...oof those mids...reminds me why i haven't used mine since I got COS-11's.
Yes, a startling difference when you hear them back to back. It’s funny... if I did the whole video using a B6, we wouldn’t know what we were missing.
I'm so curious what the Rode Lavalier Vs the Rode Lav Go sound like in comparison. Can't find a video online of it.
Man this is really helpful. I have been using a tascam DR10L for filming weddings. But now that I’m doing higher end commercial brand projects, I realized I NEED to be monitoring the audio during the shoot. So I have a mountain of stuff to learn. Is there any way I can pay you like $50 to have a zoom call so you can help me understand the basics of this? Maybe like a 12 minute zoom call?
Or I could just email you a few simple questions If that’s easier?
I'm new to lavalier mic's, but need one to fit into the small mic hole of a Meinl Ibo Tri Udu drum for mic' ing it internally. It is for home (studio) recording, so the drum would be close to my audio interface (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (3rd gen) and Logic Pro. I need the mic to pick up the full range, including bass and be able to handle fairly loud sound. I know nothing about how to connect, other than XLR ... whether wireless connection results in latency during recording, etc. I heard about the micro-dot connectors but have no idea how these connections would connect to either my audio interface to into my DAW on my MacBook Pro (M1) with Max chip. Any advice would be greatly (extremely) appreciated :-)
Hi All, can anyone assist me with the Cos-11? I am trying to purchase one for my Tentacle Track E but I am unsure which connection to buy. Anyone have any advice?
This should do it amzn.to/3gJed3a
Hey Jim, what were your lav’s
Connected to? Hardlined or a specific wireless transmitter?
PS. I don’t think a B6 has been on Broadway in ten years. We tend to be DPA or Sennheiser. But, You should also look at Point Source Audio for another low cost lav, it’s getting more popular in theater.
Ken Goodwin I had 3 of them on Lectrosonics packs (B6 and the Diety’s) the others were hardwired using Ambient Eumels. Everything was going into a Sound Devices 688. I will keep an eye for Point Source mics. Not familiar with them.
Thanks for the review. What might you recommend for talking heads docu? I think you were leaning towards the Sanken in this video?
@@TheCorbettMediaGroup Years later I still use cos11’s for most applications. I will sometimew use the DPA6060’s if I have a tight/lightweight shirt.
extremely helpful! Thank you for this review
hello, currently what do you think is the best lavalier to connect to the tascam h1n (which from what i understand is the best at that price) under 100 dollars? thank you!
Which would you recommend for making cycling videos via a djij actiion 4, which has a USB-c intereface?
I'd also need a TRS too USB-c adaptor, which I assume would lose some audio quality in the DAC?
Yes, the Action4 has this adapter that offers an 1/8” mic input but also frees up the usb-c port: amzn.to/3VNmIgJ Personally, I still lean on my Sanken Cos11D lavs the most. For cycling, I recommend getting some good wind protection for your lav like these fur bubbles: amzn.to/4eLRDTb
Excellent video. I have a question. If am looking to use with my wireless setup, which is better to use. I am using with my UHS transmitter/receiver on the actor, speaker. I uss the Zoom F6 and it has a 3.5mm input on the mic transmitter. Do I need to a xlr input to use any of these or will my 3.5 work? I am filming a short movie in a high school and teaching filmmaking. We are using a Panasonic Mirrorless camera and the F6 for external audio. Sound is important hence my questions. Thanks in advance. New subscriber. 😊
Hi Terry, If your transmitter pack accepts 3.5mm lavs, all the lav mics in this video should work as long as you order a version that is termintated with 3.5mm(1/8”) or has a 1/8” adapter. Your brand of wireless system might have special wiring, so look for compatibility with that brand when you order.
@@HubLocationSound As I am in Shanghai working, I got the Deity Lav pro for about 110 USD with some special fur double side tape to mount on clothing. I do my on post audio editing with Steinberg Wavelab, Neundo or Cubase. Is there anything you think I need to look out for in terms of range, frequency when filming with these. I have 2 on the main characters and other less expensive ones for crowd actors. Thanks for your input.
Would love to get your opinion on Shure vs. Sennheiser receivers/transmitters for broadcast. We use Sankens but are contemplating switching to Shure transmitters from current Sennheisers. Is there a reason Shure is so common with pros? Thanks!
Hey Jim, thank you for this video! Question for you - what mic pack would you recommend for the sanken cos-11d?
Hello, thank you for your good comparison video. I have question for your recording device. Could you share your device name and brief recording setup? It will a lot help for me and my friends.
I used a Sound Devices 688 recorder for this video.
exist Countryman B6 cardiod ? i want to have more control on sound caputred by lavalier.
Can you do a wireless lav test like this??? Great job and your kids behaved very well!!
great vid TY
Very interesting. I wonder, though, why you didn't include any of the Sony lavs - ECM-66, ECM-77, or ECM-88.
In this video I tested the lavs I own or had access to. I’ve never used the Sony lavs and don’t know any Location Mixers who own them. The ecm66 is cardioid which eliminates it as hidable mic for me, the 77 is omni but a bit large/bulbous compared to others. The 88 looks promising size-wise. I’ll have to try that at some point.
@@HubLocationSound Thanks for such a prompt reply and for your excellent video.
Just for the record, I believe the Sony ECM-77 is widely used in TV production studios and maybe less on location. It is only marginally larger than the Sanken COS-11d. The more recent Sony ECM-88 is much smaller than either. The sound quality of both of these is their best feature.
What’s the best microphones for professional filming? (Price is not an issue) *looking for highest quality
how good is the mics when you yell loud in them, tryin to find some mics dont distort
These mics are all 'normal sensitivity' and you could likely get them to 'clip' if you screamed into them closely. However... the Sanken Cos11D comes in an alternate "reduced sensitivity" version (has a red band near the connector) designed to handle higher sound pressure levels. The DPA 6061 is a reduced sensitivity version of the 6060. The Countryman B6 is also available in 2 lower sensivities -10db and -20db. The trade-off in all reduced sensitivity mics is a smaller window of dynamic range which if used to record soft spoken voices will reveal a more noticeable noise floor.
@@HubLocationSound i think if i pair the one that u said would have a noisy noise floor when raised to a 32bit float device in theory should be the perfect dynamic
great video, thank yoy