10 Horrible Realities Of A Post Apocalyptic Society
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10. Horses Would Almost Certainly Be Eaten, Not Used As Mounts
9. Travel Would Become A Rarity, Only Done As Truly Needed
8. Shampoo, Conditioner And Other Products Would Probably Not Be Available
7. The Remaining Anti-Vaxxers Would Have Potential To Do Incredible Damage
6. Pollution Would Be A Greater Problem Than Perhaps Ever Before
5. We Would Have To Spend Time Talking To People Who Don’t Agree With Us
4. A Minor Injury Or Other Bruise Or Cut Could Easily Lead To Your Death
3. People Would Start Having Massive Amounts Of Children Again, And They Would Die
2. Raids Would Probably Be Common, And Life Would Be Violent And Unpleasant
1. It May Sound Fun To Individuals, But They Would Have It The Very Worst Of All
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The most horrific reality in this list: "You would have to talk to people who didn't agree with you."
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
"who didn't agree with you" is just excess.
i do that all the time! i just love pissing morons off!
Many people wouldn't be able to survive just because of that alone.
B A N G ! Any other opinions ?
No snowflakes would survive then...
Small town farmers are best equipped to survive. House, well, firewood, livestock and vegetable garden. Until the Zombies show up.
Them and hippies. Not rich kids that follow Phish, real deal hippies.
Farmers (in the US) also: Guns, Ammo, prevalent game animals, remote location, a clean water stream somewhere nearby (very important).
The list could go on.
Zombies wont be a problem, it's the living that will cause most problems!
Still no issue. Just remember your cardio and to double tap. They will be slowed down anyway with all the chunky city folk they will be scarfing down any way. Or as I like to call them "Walking double whoppers"
Short term the small town farmers would do ok. But they no longer have access to hardy crops that have lower yield but are more bug and disease resistant. Without their Monsanto sprays their crops will get devastated and they’ll be eating their dirt in a few years.
"A horse, something that takes so much food to keep alive..." That food is called grass. Ever ride a mountain bike with 300lbs of gear?
ok. Horses it is then.
No kidding. You are going to have to grow hay for the winter. Unless you somewhere like Florida.
Also, ever tried farming with a mountain bike? That'd be fun to watch. Assuming that growing food in fields was still possible, of course.
Wouldn't horses also be useful for farm work and carrying equipment?
@@stevemcgroob4446 before the advent of using horses primitive man used beasts of burden such as oxen...or primordial cows, it was actually the British who first used cows as a source of food long after they were used in agriculture
second to that with modern technology you could refit a tractor to run off of HHO gas which is easy to generate using electrolosis of water and as we know electricity is very easy to produce even on a small scale
Worst thing .... would be no more post-apocalyptic themed movies depicting the end of the world. . .
Now that’s terrifying ☄️
They would be listed as comedies
@@dragonamongus Love the enthusiasm / optimism there.
I also hope that lists make it through the apocalypse, too...
Instead there would be movies about civilization. They would be called civilization movies.
That's because you would find them boring..... as your life would be a real-time movie. Cue the soundtrack.
Banditry would be a serious impediment to travel.
Yeah coz with no law everyone could do what they like , that’s messed up
Im 63, I remember my Grandma saying all the way into the 60’s you could not leave your house empty even to just go run errands because your house would be robbed of food too. Especially during and after the Depression...There was no police everywhere to call,,, your house was armed.... shotguns behind the doors... the kids knew better than to touch them
@@williamdonovan1286 Actually without law, people would fairly quickly develop 'common law' modes of justice. Things like banditry would almost certainly be a problem but there's no reason to think that people would degenerate to doing what ever they liked and there would be no consequences.
What about 'Arse-banditry'? There's a lot of arsebandits about.
David Webb Don't worry, they're not going anywhere 👬
I have 7 children , so i already live in a post apocalyptic house ....
confirmed, user name checks out.
@@mr.blonde1709 . .. hahaha it took me 10 mins to figure your message out ..... made my day that did
@@mr.blonde1709 😆
Condoms, condoms nowhere...
Genuine question- why?
I have the best apocalypse strategy. There is no reason for me to think I would survive, and I really don't think I want to. So y'all have fun.
I have medical problems, so yeah, I'm stuck going down with the ship.
Me too with the medical issues. I do want to survive, so I’ve been slowly collecting the information that’s applicable to a post-apocalyptic world.
@@shaolin1200 yeah I m with you on that If I can find a way to Venezuela would you want tag along and see if they have any supplies left.. lol
Idk...
Not much point to a world where there's no pantiliners or hemmoroid cream...
@Draugr It is comforting to know you feel that way.
My chances of finding you or others like you are very low.
You see I live in Philadelphia....
You're assuming that in my Post Apocalyptic fantasy
other people survive or exist.
Nope.
Just me, the wife, maybe a dog.
I just want quiet
and for stupidity to cease to be.
You forgot the rubbing of hands and manic laugh muahahahahahahaha
@Draugr umm no... if youre talking about continuing the human race and making sure our species lives on sure ... but if youre just planning on surviving till you die of old age or whatever .... you only need 1 person.... talk to any special forces soldier or survivalist ever....
If you want humanity to restart then you’d need 5,000 people or more to restart civilisation
What exactly is your "Post Apocalyptic fantasy" (I can't believe you've actually got such "fantasies", but anyway...)?!
You forgot dog packs. The unfed pet dogs would mostly die, but many would escape and form packs. The unspayed/unneutered ones would crossbreed themselves into small grey lupines within 5-6 generations. Some would still act on genetic instinct to befriend humans, but where there were few humans the feral dogs would rule.
Jerry: Good point!
And what about rats or other feral animals i.e., raccoons 🦝
@@martinyarbrough1609 Those aren't feral. We never domesticated raccoons.
only problem is the prey, no prey for the dogs to hunt, dogs would die
Look at Russia. They have dog packs roaming the streets and kill several people every year
Horses: There are wild horses roaming the west. In fact, the US Government occasionally does round-ups to control the wild horse population. It's doubtful all of those horses would get eaten. Also horses, mules, etc. would be used for hauling cargo in wagons (possibly converted cars, like we've seen in some very rural Euro/Asian countries). Yeah, horses and other beasts of burdens wouldn't just all be eaten. They're too useful.
Hauling cargo like wood. You can “fuel” a horse with grass. Growing crops would be much easier with a horse - unless you wanna try plowing your field with a bicycle. Granted, you would probably need someone who knows how to care for a horse (basic veterinary skills+) but when you run out of stable fossil fuels after a year, then a horse or mule will be very useful.
have you forgotten than we invented steam engines a few years ago? requires only coal or wood and water to run. We would convert our cars into steam engines. Not dead weight carts for animals that take resources to maintain.
@@IgabodDobagi horse can't be fueled with just grass unless it's a perfect pasture for them - unlikely in the apocalypse
The horse was reintroduced after the original population ate them all during the stone age
@@IgabodDobagi IF you still have access to coal or wood or water...
As someone who relies on hearing aids to, well, live my day to day existence... I've never failed to realise how utterly SCREWED I'd be in a post-apocalyptic environment. The only story I've come across that has addressed this fact (to some extent) is A Quiet Place.
Horses aren't expensive to keep if you let them graze. They provide more in brute than they ever would as food.
If it is a nuclear apocalypse then horses would be better food
You can’t feed em so better food
And I don't suppose you'd use your fancy bicycle to do any plough or charging, where are you even going to get rubber a few years down the line
Horses & other lifestock need food during the winter. I live in rural area with a lot of cattle farms & a few farms with horses. Most need to stockpile a lot of hay bails to feed them in the winter months. I think most farmers
anchers would focus on cattle & donkey\mules instead of horses. Horses just aren't very practical.
Can’t pull a plow or a wagon with a bicycle
You can...it just wouldn't work very well.
I suppose we could always have plow pulling duty as punishment for law-breakers
@@databanks Why do you think slaves were a common feature of muscle-powered societies?
Bicycles would also be difficult after the road infrastructure crumbles
You'll be too busy using the bicycle to get away after raiding the people who were plowing stuff.
Train to be a dentist.
"Sure, you could kill me. You'd miss me when I'm gone, though..."
So true. Without proper dental care, we would have start referring to teenagers as "middle-aged"
@@TheBlueB0mber take s generation or two to get rid of the sugar addiction since there will be lots and lots of it lying around not decaying particularly quickly (in the right conditions).
In fact, two things you want to horde for power and wealth will be horses and candy bars/honey for the mid to long term.
@@TheBlueB0mber My wife is a Jazz-pianist and, I manufacturer Bibles so we would be Ok.
@@drjerry5389 That's an interesting profession for you to have.
@@Aconitum_napellus Yeas I enjoy my living very much. Do you got some valuable profession for post-Apocalyptic times as well?
I think it would be safe to say that most of us would die. The survivors will be the the ones living the survivor life already.
'The Road' with Viggo Mortensen is probebly the post apocalyptic movie that's closest to reality.
BBC nuclear war film "Threads "
The Road is not post-apocalyptic it's apocalyptic. The shit continues to go down and there is no future (and that's what ‘post-’ part implies).
My exact thoughts.
Savagely boring too
@@indigohammer5732 Definitely. That's as real as it gets. Doesn't focus on the nuclear bomb, but on the daily stuff regular folks do every day not even realizing that shit's about to go down, just like in real life. There's no hero's saving the day, no secret missions/overdramatic crap going on. Just innocent average people suddenly caught in the middle of the biggest disaster they never saw coming and most of the main people die horrible deaths.
I really like this video's concept, but some of your points make me smile.
Everybody would be an anti-vaxxer, since, as you mentioned shortly after, no medical supplies would be available, therefore no vaccines either. Populations have been thinned out by plagues before, and there have always been survivors. (And afterwards there's more resources for less people.)
People might consider eating a horse or two, but just thinking of all of my friends, who get angry for me to slaughter my chicken and rabbits and eat them, or who do the "I could never do this!" song I think horses are pretty save.
Bikes can't cope with broken roads, bikes can't pull bigger carts and move weights, bikes can't be used to plough fields and when they are damaged and there's no hardware store around you'll have a hard time fixing them. Horses you can breed, they feed themselves on grass and without roads they don't need shoes either.
And luckily there are today still some people around who know not only from theory but actual experience, how to turn wool into a sweater, ashes and fat into soap,... You may laugh about reenactors and living history folks, but in case of post apocalyptic events you'll be grateful for people who learned how things were and can be done before / after modern civilisation.
Not everyone would be an anti Vaxxer, history shows us that people will believe in just about anything if someone is able to convince them it would help them, its why people went through leech treatments and other old remedies. Anti vaxxers would have a harder time spreading falsehoods because people are harder to come by, its harder to get the rumor mill going.
@@kappadarwin9476 It seems that you don't get the point. No one could buy and use vaccines if there were none produced and available. So it wouldn't matter if you are pro- or con-vaccination.
I don't think all the horses would be killed for food either, but people who complain about slaughtering animals for food would quickly change their minds when it becomes necessary for survival. Veganism is a first world luxury that wouldn't exist in an post-apocalyptic world.
@@kappadarwin9476 Leech therapy actually works for a subset of the "patient" population. Some people are iron accumulators.
Reenactors would become valued teachers. That, and trial & error, and books like the Foxfire series, would keep a lot of settlements going.
Simon: If it hasn't already been done, how about a video of society after an EMP?
Video would be great but if you want to read up on it, there's a praised book called; "One Second After" that deals with a realistic scenario after the US suffers an EMP attack.
It wouldn't take that long to recover from an EMP. Devices not powered on would not likely be affected. You need a constant EMP to prevent electronics from working.
Millions of people killing each other desperate for food and other things total chaos. Disease running rampant hoards of prisoners breaking out getting into civilian clothes killing and raping.
No WiFi- it’d be chaos!
That was the basis of Dark Angel
Once basic survival was attained (food, water, clothing, shelter etc.) the biggest threat would be infection and disease. Not only would there be a shortage of trained medical personnel and a lack of immunizations and antibiotics, but decaying bodies, poor food sanitation and storage, inability to clean hands/lack of soap, poor control over the cleanliness of lakes and rivers and difficulty in managing human waste would create a nightmare environment of germs and disease.
In the absence of: the ability to beat people to death with your fists, possession of powerful firearms and the ability to use them effectively, both of which result in the ability to take resources from others, the best survival strategy is utility. This means skills and resources. Medical or dental skills not dependent on advanced equipment and medications (i.e. A Medic not a surgeon, and one who knows how to improvise), hunting and trapping skills, esp. if not dependent on firearms, possession of large stores of, or better still the ability to create: tobacco, alcohol/marijuana, gunpowder, candles, shoes/clothes, knives, salt/sugar/honey. Additionally, honey can be used in place of antibiotics to some degree if you understand the proper application.
Long term, since there will still be lots of tools, equipment and technology lying around, an engineering background would be in demand, especially related to the generation of electricity, as would the ability to create and effectively deploy a small militia, fishing, farming and animal husbandry skills, knowledge of field expedient techniques to filter water and manage waste, build long term shelter and other carpentry, masonry and construction skills, blacksmiths, gunsmiths, food storage and education.
Keeping up your cardio is important because you’re gonna be doing a LOT of walking at first.
Finally, the ability to quickly and efficiently kill zombies. As is my understanding.
10. An interesting idea, which leads to another. Since many tractors run on diesel, people would be making more biodiesel to run them, which means pressing oil out of seeds (including inedible seeds like fruit pits) which means having beasts to turn large presses (the other ingredient deeded for its manufacture, lye, is easily obtained from wood ash.) So not all beasts of burden would be eaten. ) The byproduct of biodiesel, b the way, is glycerine, see 9 below.
9. We agree on that one, despite the existence of biodiesel. It’s amazing how quickly a freeway will deteriorate without maintenance.
8. You’re kidding me, right? People wouldn’t spread the word about making soap from fat and wood ash? It’s a very low-tech process. Besides, they’d have glycerine to add to it to make it luxurious! Anyone who could manufacture biodiesel would also manufacture soap as a side-business, basically using the same ingredients in different ways.
7. Most school kids know that vaccine comes from taking a germ culture from a sick person, letting that culture die, and then injecting a healthy person with the germ corpses, thus training one’s antibodies to recognize and fight that particular set of proteins. This can be done low-tech. The results wouldn’t be as reliable as high-tech laboratories, but it could curb epidemics from wiping out a whole lot more people than might die otherwise.
You mention widespread ignorance playing a role in the spread of the disease. But ignorance would not drop nearly as far as it had in past societal collapses, for several reasons:
First, literate parents teach literacy to their children. Who wouldn’t? In the past literacy didn’t drop, it just wasn’t widespread to begin with. Book or scroll ability did drop, however. But in a similar situation today, the recovery would happen much faster because with practically universal literacy, the demand for books would be greater, and people would go out of their way to support scribes copying books. The first books they would want copied would likely pertain to medicine, along with agriculture, mechanical how-to, and other works of the most practical value.
Second, people today have a working understanding of hygiene completely out of reach to past eras. They know about the existence of germs, and what to do about them. They know that biting insects, unblocked sneezing, unboiled water and unwashed hands carry diseases. They’re not going to let their kids forget anything so important. Even if some parents sluffed off, their neighbors would fill in the gap for their own protection.
Conclusion: while epidemics would happen, they would not be as catastrophic as in previous dark ages. Enough people in every community would have a whole lot more clues on how to prevent them and how to stop them, than people in the past ever did.
6. Hold on-you’re talking about people using all kinds of sophisticated chemicals, where before you didn’t even believe that they could figure out how to make soap? Even if they could, some of these chemicals would soon degrade without proper facilities to maintain them, while others would be extremely hard or impossible to replace once used up. People wouldn’t just go sloshing them around wastefully.
But suppose, as you suggest, some factory-owner wanted one grand polluting finale in the absence of any government to stop him. He would also live in the absence of any government to protect him. Angry mobs from down river would quickly make an example of him, and he couldn’t bribe them with the promise of jobs, because the currency wouldn’t be any good. Nor would there be any point in manufacturing anything in larger quantities than the immediate neighbors could make use of, because, as you correctly pointed out, there’d be no way to transport goods to distant markets. Specialized businesses and labors are one of the first things to go in a collapsed society; people become more generalists.
5. Scarcity-enforced diversity would be a bonus, not a bug. The more diverse your community, the more variety in skill-sets, the greater the odds of survival. Indeed, the opposite problem might rear up-too many redundant perspectives in isolated communities. As for geeky pleasures, sadly, even if you belonged to an entire community of specialty movie buffs or online gamers, the source of your higher-tech shared pleasure would have vanished anyway. Everyone in the community would have to learn how to entertain each other. In the process they might learn from each other and evolve a whole new aesthetic. In societal collapses, the arts don’t vanish, but they become folkish. The number of actual people participating in the arts increases.
4. When people have a basic idea of germ theory, cuts don’t automatically become septic. In the absence of more comfortable drug store antiseptics, people would simply dump salt in them and wrap them up in boiled cloth. Painful, but effective. Also, nobody’s going to lose the ability to create alcohol; it’s far too popular! Prehistoric people made it, after all, and people have even figured out how to make pruno in prison.
As for other medical preparations, the health care crisis in America has seen a great rise in people who know herbal remedies. Lots of people now know that you can break a fever, for instance, with willow-bark tea, which has the same ingredient as aspirin. Again, these remedies will not be as reliable and predictable as precisely measured laboratory preparations, but they’d still be better than nothing.
As for maintaining the lives of the disabled, your best bet is to learn as much as possible and become a font of information worth preserving. Even Denisovians preserved the life of an elder with no teeth left, evidently chewing food for him, presumably because of his wisdom.
3. Agreed that children would work. However, it would not reach the horrific levels of the Victorian era because the tech for that simply wouldn’t exist. There would be no pressure to mass-produce anything. And while children would not go to school, there would be time around the evening meal to teach literacy, arithmetic, and anything else that would increase their odds of survival. They would learn their work from their parents rather than being sold into cold, anonymous factories . They wouldn’t be overworked because parents would want as many surviving offspring as possible, whereas a factory boss could always find more waifs to replace the ones he used up.
2. Bullets would run out pretty fast. Good luck finding more lead to replace them. There’s a reason why one of the best military maneuvers you can accomplish is cutting off the enemy’s supply-lines. High-tech weaponry is too high-maintenance to last very long. Shotguns would last, with reused shells stuffed with nails, glass and gravel, but they’re more a defensive than an offensive weapon.
The reason making someone an outlaw, in the old days, was a punishment, not a perk, was because once the community turned its back on you, and declared that no law protected you, you wouldn’t live very long. The age of piracy flourished because for the first time outlaws could have a mobile base of operations that they could sail out far from angry communities seeking revenge. Raiding bands would quickly be put down like a pack of rabid dogs.
Regarding your hypothetical isolated family farm, it would not stay isolated for long. A good, working farm would become the hub of a new community as people left the unsanitary conditions of a city whose sewers no longer worked and with no safe place to dig outhouses. Since the newcomers couldn’t tell asparagus from potatoes from looking, and would likely poison themselves trying to eat the wrong part of the latter if they just stole the land, they would do a lot better leaving the farmers alive and learning from them by working for them. If they bide their time learning to assassinate him and take over later, one of two things would happen in the years before they could do that. 1) they would wind up bonding with those they work for, or 2) the rest of the community would put them down.
1. Your final point shows why #2’s Mad Max scenario wouldn’t get very far. In the final analysis, we are pack animals. We survive better working together than apart.
You just made an entire book 😂👍
The vast majority of people have no idea how to dispose of their own "manure" safely. Even if you do, your neighbour's 'crap' will be the biggest threat to life and health, post apocalypse.
Nice rebuttal, Dolores. A surprising amount of our accumulated knowledge and skill would be transferable to more primitive conditions. Humans are resourceful... when they're not being jerks.
@@followthewhiterabbit7504 Yoiu're right, and that's why, after a collapse, major population centers empty out quickly. Even before plumbing nobody wanted to live crammed together without organized "night soil men" to gather and dispose of their daily poo. In fact, it's been theorized by some that most of the diseases that currently plague humankind, domesticated animals, and those related to them, originated in the petri-dishes that were our earliest cities before the invention of sanitation. So survivors of cities fan out into the countryside and learn from farmers how to deal with manure, including their own.
@ hey but you have to give this guy credit for starting the discussion even if his points to completely add up.
This list might as well be called 'Top 10 reasons why living during the Medieval times would have sucked balls'.
The fall of Rome was pretty much an apocalypse in its own right.
Observe the houseless, the unfortunate ones who are living on the streets, the denizens of encapments-they are closer to living a post-apocalyptic existence than any of us.
@John Smith
You know nothing, John Smith....
We can still get food from pantrys, utilize utilities at churchs and shelters, recive medical care, vote, drive, use drinking fountains, and appeal for protection from law enforcement. So actually its nothing like a post apocalyptic society.
Not even close. These people make their daily rounds of church or govt funded handouts to survive, very few are getting anything on their own.
Please learn the definition of the word "Literally"
They would do great
Depending on the kind of apocalyse, one immediate source of "pollution" would be the millions of corpses. However, since most of these would decay over a fairly short time frame, that particular problem would be self-correcting.
Still, at first, the decaying corpses of dead people would surely spread initial diseases!
The thought of a group of Mad Max type Warriors ,all decked out in PostApoc gear ... riding bicycles... is freaking hilarious!!!!! Couldn't stop laughing!
#1 No daily dose of Simon Whitstler and the gang
No Simon? We're doomed! Doomed, I tell you!
inconceivable!!!!
We would have books
Surprising how many of these scenarios involve travel by bicycle
Bikes require spare parts and lubrication
Unless you resolve to allocate resources to metal and tool making as well as drilling, distillation and petrol cracking, bikes will be gone in one generation
Cars, maybe. Bikes? No.
Would be relatively easy to get lubricant and spare parts from Walmart (everyone will go for the food, not the miscellaneous crap)
Bikes hardly need lubrication. Maybe once a year put a drop of two on the chain and up near the handle bars
Tires would be the hard part. They wear out quickly with daily use. Most would also become Frankenstein mixes with parts cannibalised from other bikes. A former 21 speed bike might become a single or three speed, with mismatched tires and seat.
Lubrication is easy, if you are not picky. The average abandoned car has over a year's worth of oil in it. Not the best choice, but it works.
Tom Ives not if everyone now has the bike idea. Regardless, and i know american walmarts are huge, but it's still only a finite supply that will eventually run out
Walmart? Before or after the looting?
Think, folks. Oy vey!
As a hopeful Post-apocalyptic writer I will take some of these to heart. Especially the cripple element. That would make it really interesting imo
If you're gonna write about them, keep in mind most people don't like the term 'crippled.'
Don't forget the anti-vaxxers 😂
Won't all the nuclear power plants in the world meltdown with no connection to a power grid, no water, and 72 hours of backup generators?
Yes
no, they would shut down, not melt down.
@@ghosthand8119 They actually would switch to emergency power just to keep the water tanks cool, but eventually with no one to replace the water that's being evaporated eventually the rods would be exposed, overheat, and explode. Then everything would be bathed in hot radiation, melting the plant down and releasing everything into the air. Probably would take a few months, but eventually it'd happen.
They go into an automatic shutdown. As long as they are kept cool enough during the shutdown period, nothing bad should happen.
The problem arises if their cooling system is damaged.
@@shadowmatrix0101 watch "life without people". they give a different answer. no exploding.
Agreed that horses would not be used much for transport, I do think some horses would be kept uneaten, and used as work horses, pulling a plough to grow a reasonable quantity of crops for example. Carting logs and scrap to build houses and factories, turning water mills.. because as we ran out of ready available fossil fuels, we would need to revert to horse power.
True... Amazing to think that until 100 years ago horses were the best thing to move around with.
@OrangeDude. Cars existed a hundred years ago. They just weren’t as common as they are today.
Rosemary: yes, I think horses will be very important. As transportation they will be quite the status symbol, not for just anyone because of the food required. But certain people will fight to get one.
Pulling ploughs, carting logs - but that's what all the extra children is for. It's children power! Might as well eat that horse as Watch it wither away from neglect and old age.
WormholeJim
Nope, if you want to grow enough crops to feed a social group, then a plough drawn by oxen or horse, is a necessary, you need the depth of soil turnover, and precision of seed planting that horse drawn implements can provide, after the plough, the narrow to break up the clods, and then the seed drill to maximise the success of the crop.. kids poking the soil with a sharp bent stick and broadcasting the precious seeds, won’t cut the mustard, the yield will be so poor, it won’t feed the community. The old adage pre the plough and seed drill, was
“One for the rook, one for the crow, one to fail, and one to grow.. In other words, old fashioned broadcasting of seed on a lightly ploughed field.. you needed to plant four times the amount of seed as you do using a proper plough. And horse drawn seed drill.. and in a world where seed corn, is going to be in short supply, that would be hugely wasteful.
#1 No toilet paper!!!!!
Use leaves
What you don't know how to use the three seashells? ;op
@@SvenLorenz1975 It doesn't have to be paper, you wipe your backside with, It would be far easier to use damp cloths intead, that you clean and boil afterwards than it would to use paper.
Lmao id be hoarding baby wipes 😂😂
@@SvenLorenz1975 : composting toilets, etc.
#7 as if vaccines would be available. 🙄
hence the dire need to hunt & slaughter AVs with ABSOLUTE extreme prejudice.
gonna be tough vaccinating against zombies or finding the funding to do so
@@pfalky2k that definitely would not work seeing as anybody born after that would have no vaccine to take therefore eventually the population would revert back to un vax days. Most vaccinations only last a few years
pfalky2k is that a joke I hope? Pfizer and Bayer won’t survive the apocalypse. Try thinking.....
and then, incidentally, all the anti vaxxers who have still been giving their immune systems practice for the last few generations would live, and all the vaxxers with their inner-city, cake-loving fat kid, factory farmed hen of an immune system are going to get wiped out fast because they haven't built up any immunities due to relying on vaccines.
Don't forget the comeback of leprosy and rickets into society.
Scurvy is more likely in higher latitudes. Vitamin C is hard to come by outside of citrus fruit and liver.
Less said about lumbago, the better.
@@willythemailboy2 The Greenland Inuit would get their vitamin C by eating the stomach contents of reindeer. Lichens apparently are somewhat rich in it.
Horses are what you'd use on non-paved routes. Try taking a bike through sagebrush. It's not very fun.
Jamie Bytheway - have you ever tried taking a horse through sagebrush? My horses would tell me to F off. I would probably end up eating them out of spite and frustration one way or another.
Actually cattle are more usefull as beasts of burden and were used to pull carts far more than horses were. Horses were seen as something for the aristocracy as horses were a status symbol. Horses also have less stamina than cattle, but horses are faster and horses were less useful on long journeys as they got tired faster. Cattle also use up less resources than horses and you can get milk from them as well as meat.
@@danceswithcritters Horses eat grass and other plants that we don't. It's not like a car with petrol where horses can only function on hay.
@@HikaruKatayamma You can't feed an animal on ornimental grass, what we use for gardens etc. as it's not rich in nutrients enough and isn't fit for long term animal consumption (It would be like humans just living off lettuice and celery and not having access to other nurtients). Plus you can't feed an animal on one food stuff as it causes illnesses and medical problems. Industralised Farmed animals, that are just fed on the same thing, have to be pumped full of antibiotics and other drugs in the US because of the health risks created by factory farming. Horses are also not a very efficient beast of burden, they need far more food, by weight, than cattle do and cattle can do more work than horses. Cattle have the added benefit being able to safely drink from slightly dodgy water sources, without trouble and processing it into a drinkable form (Milk) which will cut down on humans getting water born diseases. Pasteurisation is a rather "easy" thing to set up, if you know how, so the milk can be made safer.
A lot of people would also resort to cannibalism too if the situation was really dire.
Buy a bow learn something about wood craft . And never eat your horse.
Always an option, Marcia.
Don't eat brains, could get neurological disease, not organs either, stick to muscle meat.
Diane Denham
Hmm. Get those millennials before the steroids run out.
I'm reminded of a time a few years ago when I was in a bookstore. I could hear two twenty-somethings in the next aisle talking about how when society collapsed, they could handle it and would enjoy themselves... while they were sipping on their Starbucks. I never said anything but inside I laughed, knowing in reality they wouldn't last a week. This was a couple of years before Covid, and when that was going on, I briefly wondered how they handled that. I could just picture them bitching and moaning how they didn't have any toilet paper.
As a type-1 diabetic who can't live without insulin, I know for a fact I wouldn't make it that long if things went south. So I say to anyone who thinks they can handle it: Have fun!
#10 is basically wrong. Horses would be incredibly valuable for the mobility and well....horsepower they offer. Some would be eaten yes, but that would highly situational. Any organized group with any sort of intelligent leadership, would protect their horses. I bike everywhere, and I am here to tell you, bikes are nowhere near as durable as TT thinks. They still require parts, oil, and especially tires, chains etc. Once clean, flat, paved streets go away, your bikes durability will go away with it. Bikes are far less resource intense than oil-powered vehicles true, but, horses still beats bikes.
Weak, disorganized hungry people, will probably eat horses, yes, I agree with that. But, any kind of organized community? No way. Only way a horse would be eaten in a well-lead community was if it suffered an accident or was too old to work or be used as a mount.
TopTenz Probably never rode a bike further than work.
@@jacquelynmcdanielel3439 Definitely.
I already have my plan of action! I have several cigs vacuum packed and a bottle of whisky. All I need to do is grab my lawn chair and sit and watch the mushrooms bloom:)
I think I'd be read'n my bible n pray'n 🙏💙🙏 but yours is good to 🤣❤🤣
You’ve killed my dream of being the lone post-apocalyptic nomadic warrior.
People suck, my internal apoc fantasy depends on nearly everyone dying suddenly and unexpectedly except for me.
A lot of this depends on what caused the apocalypses to start with. I would probably keep my horse if it still had grass to eat. I could git food by farming or hunting if there were still wild animals which there would be if my horse could still survive. A bike would be to much work and if it breaks their may not be spare parts. Also you can carry more with you if you have to move with the use of a horse, including weapons and tools, and they can be made to work on a farm. I would hate to have to grow crops with just man power, having a horse or donkey would make the work far more productive. It would be a asset not a liability.
Love your informative and interesting videos on both your channels, Simon!
Everybody needs to see the movie "The Road" starring Viggo Mortensen. This has got to be the most accurate depiction of what a real apocalypse aftermath might look like. Forget Mad Max already.
Depressing, too.
Did they eat there thumbs? If so I've seen it was a good movie
One of my favorite if not my favorite Saturday morning cartoons when I was growing up was Thundarr The Barbarian.
james mack Yep
james mack Massive natural disasters occurred all over the world.
m.ua-cam.com/video/LhAobPugvsk/v-deo.html
🎥 Thundarr the Barbarian TV cartoon intro (1980) - UA-cam
I remember that cartoon.
Great show!
I often point out to people, about the injuries and infection, that not only would you not have access to antibiotics to treat them, but cleaning them and suturing them would be extremely difficult too. On top of that, people will be working hard to survive, and that's going to mean that you get a lot more dirty cuts than you do today, making your chances even better of getting an infection.
In a post apocalyptic world how would you manufacture a bike?
Presume +90% of the population dies off during the collapse. There will be an ample supply of bikes for the survivors.
Not worried, I'll be one of the first to go.
Me too
I’d last a week, tops.
Same.
We who go first, might be viewed by the survivors as the Lucky Ones.
Yup, not only do I not have the skills and knowledge to survive in that kind of environment, it's also not a world I want to live in.
Mad Max on bicycles?
I'd watch that if it was a film.
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I AM AWAITED AT THE GATES OF VALHALLA!
I'm sure... What have You done to gain the attention of the God's??.....
We will on day meet in the great hall beside Odin my friend!
Very Well-reasoned, Simon.
I would imagine that most 3rd world countries would be at a great advantage because population there now already live some sort of post apocalyptic lifestyle.
Sad and true
Or perhaps not. Say goodbye to western medicines, western food imports, western technology and western peacekeepers. Say hello to disease, famine and war. Think Somalia.
Which is most rural areas in the world right now
"3rd World" doesn't mean what you think it does.
True. Take a look at India. A Nation smaller than the USA , with a Population nearing 1.5 Billion ! The Country is near collapse form over population ,
One thing that the Mad Max world conveniently forgot. NO CARS. At all. Because gazoline do have an expiration date where it become from less effective to totally useless. And if the gazoline production plants no longer run, the remaining gazoline will be used up pretty fast anyway without any new stock to refill the tanks.
Look up gasification
Now go and actually watch Mad Max 2 and realize how ridiculous your claim is. Because it's you who apparently “conveniently forgot” to watch it.
That is aside from the fact that alternative fuels exist, crude fuel production is not even remotely rocket science and electric cars are a thing with modern batteries that likely to last at least a couple of decades.
Factories that produce gasoline would be one of the few industries that would continue to produce. Production would slow to a crawl but not stop, leaving only the rich to obtain it and the poor to steal and kill for it. Cartel style organizations would rise up and rule impoverished areas leaving venerable ppl to be either killed, slave traded or recruited.
Thank you Simon for scaring the poo out of us. Still a thumbs up.
Simon ya forgot tolit Paper.
I live in a very rural area, so I could survive if I had to, but would not want to. Growing / hunting your own food is a hard ass existence. I love the grocery store, I actually stop and admire it every time I walk thru the door.
For the record, I have never thought the post apocalypse to be glamorous.
Hello Simon, I've just heard news of another settlement that's in need of help
Supermutants threatening the farm again?
Just came across this channel a few weeks ago and its freaking awesome!
A very insightful list TopTenz, most people don’t seem to even vaguely know what the challenges to be faced would be, and even prepares can’t prepare for everything and for long enough for “society” to even get back to basics. 👍 and FYI if push comes to shove I won’t bother to try, especially if it is a MAD scenario, I would be out there waiting for an instant tan.
As far as the children part: kids currently living are already not getting the love and affection they need due to the disconnect technology and social media addiction has created
That's more the of parents than the media.
Parents fault*
Umm, I'd rather say it's due to circumstances/environment, than social media/technology; both, psychologically, and sociologically, the rougher the circumstances/environment, the less affection/love there will be (in that community/society).
11. Continually being bombarded with “another settlement need your help”
In the remake to Red Dawn all the kids are talking about what they miss & one of them says,"Call of Duty." The other one answers him,"Dude we're living Call of Duty & it sucks"! Well put.
This was hella interesting. Anything else you could do on post apocalyptic scenarios and realities would be awesome
Post Apocalyptic = Who is vaxxing at that point anyway?
ikr. Is there going to be a Fred Flintstone-like lab producing vaccines??
@@MinMaxxx Save those smallpox scabs and you can have primitive vaccination ;-)
@@MinMaxxx
You might find it interesting to look what sort of "medicine" Pol Pots posse used to manufacture for the needs of the masses. Only a token few really high up in the organization had some sort of a limited access to import- items of use, know-how, or real medicines from the days of the regime-ancien. This period of devastation, famine, and horror lasted some 4 years.
In a true global post-apocalyptic situation things would go even worse in a quite short time-span. Or slowly but inevitably turn for worse, and this time nothing would probably ever return to what we consider somehow "normal".
James Smith
I misread that as ‘waxing’ and got temporarily bamboozled!
@shaolin1200 Everyone. Including you who think its a matter of belief. Nature is gonna make non-vaccinated ppl to be more vulnerable to diseases, you do comprehend this ?
Please do a video on either
"Top Ten People Who Survived Things That Should Have Killed Them"
Or
"Top Ten Arnold Schwarzenegger Quotes"
Darth Revan - #1 Rasputin. Much like the post apocalyptic survivors mentioned in this video, he too did not like shampoo or conditioner. He was also obnoxiously difficult to kill
@@shannonnicollechannel5884 yup
@@shannonnicollechannel5884 Sure does; but do you remember anything about it?
@@shannonnicollechannel5884 Bill Weaver had his sr71 Blackbird disintegrated around him at mach3+. I think he has everyone beat. Great story.
@@shannonnicollechannel5884 somehow missed your second post.... Glad you're ok. Offed my bike at 60mph and got up and rode away. Over Twice that speed? Your lucky...
When modern people think “post-apocalyptic” they usually think of a modern society crushed by a nuclear war or weird bio-engineered plague, but any student of history would know that in a lot of ways, we’ve actually been there before.
Compared to the Roman Empire in, say, 200 AD, medieval Western Europe of 400 AD was pretty dang post-apocalyptic. Society took a HUGE step down in a very short time after the fall of the Empire, and A LOT of ancient knowledge was lost that we still may not have completely re-discovered.
you are one of two hosts on youtube!! I love your dry sense of humor!! along with just enough authority and wisdom that comes from well-prepared professionals!! if I could afford to I would send you some money top tens!!!
Survival would be easy. Go to Utah or Nevada and find Cody. 100% success.
Re-enactors would become popular. They have skills that many people have lost, often including such things as which wild plants and mushrooms are edible.
So the re-enactors would get all the babes?! World Upside Down!
Hardly. They only know which stores to buy them at.
Its not that long ago that terror swept the Land.... Europe & the US. I was born in 1955. So, just in my own life:
1: I was a preemie & couldn't tolerate cows' milk & my Mom didn't make enough. Additionally, I had asthma.
Now, I wasn't a tiny, tiny preemie needing a special hospital, etc w a NIC U, etc. I weighed 5 lbs @ birth & lost it down to 4.5 lbs. Now, they measure these tiny infants in ounces! They'd not be viable. Poor souls.
2: Polio was gone, except here & there. I had Infantile Paralysis @ 2.
3: Measles (not Roseola in this case.) I had it twice & am still careful to avoid children who might have it. That was still very scary while I was pregnant with our sons.
4: Chicken pox. It was miserable to have & miserable trying to keep our sons from scratching & cooling their high fevers.
5: Every year, as a child, I'd suddenly spike a temp. By the time I complained, it was 101*F. It just kept going up, resulting in antibiotics & oxygen tents which were cold & clammy.
6: Our first child was breech. I think a knowledgeable midwife could have turned him, but, otherwise, we would have died.
Those are mostly just childhood illnesses & the joys of childbirth. 😉
(I had Measles the second time in USAF Basic Training. 6 days in hospital.)
I'm watching this video for the second time..I watched it when it first came out..I'm rewatching it in July 2020 because it's extra pertanent to the world now..hence why I've been a prepper since I can remember
Horses do more than provide travel
Cattle would be more useful and they have been used more, throughout history, as beasts of burden than horses.
@@capturedflame yeas, but cattle provide all of those plus milk.
@@neilprice513 And you are going to run around on foot or on bicycle to herd your cattle... don't think so. If you keep cattle in a corral you have to bring them food, if you take them back an forth to fields you will need to keep them together. Sheep can be herded by children and trained dogs but to handle more than two or three cattle is more than a man on foot can handle unless he is on horseback. This also provides much needed elevation to spot predators and speed to protect your herd.
Not to mention cattle are cheaper and more readily available.
@@capturedflame Horses do provide milk, they are mamals, but cows produce it in far greater quantities than horses. As I said before Horses are just not efficient enough to be a "good" post apocalyptic investment.
While i agree with most of them. After 2 to 5 years, horses/donkeys would return to be the preferred method of travel/ work. This is because even the best made machine needs constant maintenance. And lets face it were not awash in expertly made bicycles. No most are cheap Chinese imports that break down in a year. And how many inner tubes can you stock pile?
Compare that to the horse. Yes it must be fed, but they will eat grasses and hay. Donkeys and Mules/ Oxen are more robust animals requiring less specialized food and care.
In an apocalypse, just loot the bike stores for all the best bikes and parts you need. Horses are more versatile but more unpredictable and far harder to maintain. An unskilled owner will have a sick and unrideable horse in no time.
I'd see both horses and bicycles being used, for different tasks.
Congrats! I think that you're the first to mention donkeys. Very useful animals. And without them you can't have mules!
In 1899, the British turned Southern Africa into an apocolyps, concentration camps and all. The biggest killer was water. It killed four times as many people as bullets.
Few of the European people had resistance to water born diseases. Most people didn't boil it even though they were told to. There was a severe shortage as well. Wood and fuel were a problem even though coal was just 70 miles away. Animals and people got sick and died at the rivers and waterholes. It was said you could smell a water hole from 10 miles.
1st safe water, then food, then fuel, followed by clothing and shelter. You won't have time for your Harley Dangerous. You won't have bullets for your AR15.
I learned all that from episodes of Survivor ... except that the producers always gave them a clean water source, and even gave them rice & beans after the first 2 seasons. Rught after shelter comes expendable alliances!
@@paulryan2128 you are right.
Interesting and well thought out video presentation.
Found this video both interesting and scary as hell !!!!..especially since we live in times where this could happen to all of us at any time
Also remember that there will be no Petas or Vegans in that world.
Yes, they would get eaten first
No vegans but many more cannibals. Win-win?
Vegans I don't mind other than the preachy, holier than thou types (thankfully a minority). Peta on the other hand... stealing pets then killing them, pretending shearing means skinning a sheep? Fuck off, PETA, you lying pieces of crap
@@databanks I mentioned Vegans because of the diet itself. I think it will be quite tricky to cultivate the land in a apocalypse scenario. We can imagine something like medieval times, a diet like the peasant folk perhaps. Yet again, they often ate a lot of meat, so I can't say for sure. Hunger can turn even the most lovely vegan in to a Hannibal Lecter.
Yeah!
Great video
Really enjoyed this one x
I really like the videos from TopTenz. However,this one is so-so. Imo, this genre of videos are more enjoyable when they're about something tangible along with being informative and not future speculation. js
Oddly, his description of how society would work is pretty close to the situation in my airsoft LARP group. The "town" is composed of mechanics, hunters, a doctor, ex-military and farm boys. We do pretty well against the raiders through unconventional means. (we're very good with barricades and pinch points)
Great stuff
There is another aspect people dont think about:
Apocalyptic towns will be shanties, with people not able to go far or fast.
With overgrowth being a big concern, as well as the lack of emegency services, any forest fires would wipe out whole towns in seconds with everyone being stuck within the killzone of the fire.
You missed the one truth they always miss. Without global trade networks, you’re not going to have and rubber products within a few years. So no bikes.
Matthew Trzcinski: Good point. But all those degrading items will allow a transition period of months or years to adapt.
You can use other meterals as bike tires it just won't be as nice of a ride or easy to use. You can use metal or wood bike tries that's what people used when they had rubber shortages in the early 1900s
@@japopo5533 Yes, agreed. And those options would be a literal pain in the backside.
@@WHix-om4yo No one ever said the the apocalypse will be comfortable lol 😂
I've often wondered how these vehicles are powered. They seem to have an endless supply of fuel.
After the first six months, most vehicles would end up as hen houses or storage boxes 😂
@@dshe8637 agreed.
Great vid!
people always talk about storing up huge ammounts of food and water, but I always ask " where are you guys going to hide all the poop." 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like my life is one big post apocalyptic event.
Aaron Burr Atwood. I just went through another divorce
I feel the same way
You think I would have learned already
Three things to stock-up on for a post-apocalyptic world, other than weapons: cigarettes, alcohol and birth control.
sp: .22 shells
alcohol
salt
Antibiotics. There's literally nothing you couldn't acquire by trading antibiotics for it.
@@repetemyname842 Salt is good - I should have added that.
@@andrzejconner676 Yes, but many need refrigeration and/or have a limited shelf-life. But, yes - they would certainly come in handy in the short term.
sp: would be a good time to consider quitting the cigs, doncha think?
Many communities would have difficulty getting and maintaining clean water supplies.
Great love and support for Kuwait 🇰🇼 👍🏻
I disagree with the horse point.
Here’s a few more that will probably smother all desire to live in the first place:
- The constant realization that most people you cared for are dead or miserable.
- Your children (born or yet unborn) will grow up in a violent world without wonders. No (exotic) animals, fine arts, tasty food, unspoiled nature. Nothing. They will live miserable, hash lives and you won’t be around to protect them forever.
- When chemical- and nuclear storage facilities are abandoned and neglected on a global scale, everybody will just be prolonging their lives, only to perish from poisoning later.
Post apocalyptic life is an illusion. Fantasy. Everyone will die or long for death within months.
thank you for the information.
I know a lot of people who are looking forward to Armageddon.
Or you just visit Detroit. It's like a post apocalyptic documentary. But in real time
Here is what people always forget in post-apocalyptic fiction: you’re going to lose millions of people in the first 30 days, regardless of the type of apocalypse. Seven million people are on insulin; they will begin to die with days of running out of insulin. Approximately 470,000 people are on dialysis-they are all gone 10 days after their last treatment when there are no supplies /power/labs/blood supply/infrastructure/nurses. About 190,000 have kidney transplants, about 2,000 a year get heart transplants, 2,500 get lung transplants...all gone when the drugs preventing rejection are gone. People who are on longterm ventilators, people who have PEG tubes and are bedridden from strokes, those who need extensive hands on healthcare, gone. People who need blood pressure meds, HIV meds, gone. People on drops for glaucoma-blind. Children who need a cochlear implant remain deaf. If you get an infection without antibiotics, you could have a fatal sepsis. People without their medication to manage schizophrenia, psychosis, depression will have short, miserable lives. Everyone will have buried someone they cared about. No thanks. If an asteroid is coming to earth, like the dinosaur killer, I just want to be there when it hits. No desire to have a short, horrible life in the aftermath, burying the patients I can no longer help.
Don't forget to add, in the big cities people will start starving in 3 or 4 days if the food stops flowing in to the cities. What's the population of NY City? 8.39 million. How many would be alive 30 days after the spice...uh, food stops flowing. A few thousand that were willing to eat the others? So add another 8+ million to your total!
I absolutely love that you are using footage from "The Postman." It had it's flaws, but its view of a post-apocalyptic world I have only seen in shows like "Jericho" and "Revolution."
Why do you have back to back INFOMERCIALS on this video ??
That's UA-cam's fault. Creators have no say in what advertisements are shown on their videos. I think the only control creators have is the amount and frequency of Advertisment markers on their videos (unless someone else claims it and shoves them in themselves)
I didn’t get a single ad 😉
Bicycles helped tame the west....The lone ranger road a Schwinn
LOL 😂
With a banana seat and playing cards in the spokes that went zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as he rode off into the sunset
Cool topic!
Interesting take. I liked it
The Last of Us is probably the most accurate depiction of what would happen
Not long to go but I wish TLOU2 hadn't been delayed otherwise we"d be playing it in a few months.
Have you heard of the movie Threads?