Used to play Warhammer and D&D around 35 years ago, then fell out with it all after a friend passed away. Been watching your excellent videos for over a year now - finally made the plunge and got the older Ork Combat Patrol (Gyrocoptors in) to start having a go at painting again. Thanks for making this video - really enjoy watching your work
Eavy Metal is an amazing marketing style, with all the parts so neatly defined, you get a very clear view of the product you are about to buy. As painters we don't have to emulate that, there are so many styles that are simpler and more enjoyable to do, arguably with even more satisfying results, that I just stopped trying. Thank you for saying it out lout.
The reason I find your channel so amazing is because you paint to a higher standard but you are ok with being "good enough" given the time spent. Each video I watch I can see where you are content with your output and that is the best lesson to learn as a painter. Not everything needs to be a golden demon entry, and at the the end of the day, it's art, which is subjective and encompasses a vast amount of styles. Anything is better then grey, and the more encouragement we get the better we get.
I find it INCREDIBLY difficult to start painting ... because I want it to look just like the box art, despite that being unachievable for my current skill level. Glad to hear you talk about where you don't worry about adding detail. I know you're a pro, but it would be cool to see a highlight video on the mess/imperfections you're ok with making on your larger scale jobs 😇
Anyone ever tells you yours minis don’t look good is just being an A-Hole… (unless like they are giving good constructive advice but you know what I mean)
Now that contrast paints exist it's hard to really have ugly minis, contrasts offer a strict minimum that requires no skill at all. You really have to be reaaally bad to mess up a paint job nowadays haha
It's cool to see a very noob-friendly paintjob first, then watch the different steps you take to add various elements of "pop". Gives me a pathway for painting my own minis and makes it feel a lot more achievable to get cool results (albiet, no air brush ... yet). Appreciate it heaps - love your work!
This is my problem with the new imperial guard models, the old models you could pick how many extra bits to stick on. Now they are compulsory and add hours onto a unit’s prep
So glad you talked about the amount of detail. I got completely burnt out a few years ago cos painting was just so tedious and there were so many bits to do. After months of not painting a thing, I got hold of the old Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl team and I LOVED painting them - single piece casts, limited equipment/details, open poses. They were a joy, so I now look for more 'retro' style miniatures and avoid GW and 3D prints, because those sculptors just pile on the curves and cuts and tiny details you can't do by hand.
Definitely agree about the level of detail being overwhelming. I'm working on a Chaos Space Marines army. Every model has so many tiny details! Ammo pouches, holsters, grenades, leather strips, chaos icons, animal pelts, it's crazy. For troops I've been trying to limit each model to three main colours (Armour panels, metal trim, one accent colour) then at most two others (usually leadbelcher and one other colour for a prominent extra bit). If I spent 10+ hours painting each model I would never have a finished army. I'd rather skip some steps and use the extra time to actually play the game. There's no need to spend a hundred hours on a unit that is probably going to get killed in turn 1 of the game.
The CSM have to be the posterchild for over-design in this way; such to the extent that for my own I have just been using Primaris as my marines, then adding a custom detail here or there for embellishment. The one exception to this is the hero/character, but they are normally 3x the effort/time anyway.
I am glad that SM is amazing at telling it like it is: Armies are about GETTING THEM on the table! and focusing on methods that help all of us get to a place where our Grey gets finished! Hope your vacation has been amazing
I think this video does a good job of explaining why I think speedpainting/timed challenges videos are so popular. I think the secret is not how quick or how fast the paint job goes, I think it is the speed to the quality ratio. I personally have over 20 armies across AoS and 40k. With each Army I painted, I was finding new ways to speed up the process AND increase the quality. Not to mention that sometimes what someone needs to at least get their minis to "battle ready" and then from there they can continue to go back and apply new highlights, techniques, etc
I have repainted entire armies due to learning a newer way of doing things, and still I consider no models finished. I just tend to hit each army to a slightly higher level of detail each time they go to a tournament (more of a touch up) In 10 more years I might have an army that's up to Eavy Metal standard.
As someone who just paints and doesn't play, ive never needed to batch paint so ive not really thought about over detail much. But yeah i guess its got worse over the years. Still you can totally understand why GW paint there mini the style they do, it just looks good in a photo and its easier to get the lighting right.
Thanks for posting this. It can be really disheartening after finishing a mini and comparing it to the box art. Amazing to see you break it down and let us know why we may feel like that! Love the channel
I felt that when I painted the normal Ork combat patrol for a friend. So much details in every model. I had to just keep it simple in the troops and spend more time on characters.
You know, the Red Squig pops out more, but the Orange Squig looks more like he's native to that Desert area and imo fits in more. I think overall it makes the army feel more cohesive.
@@jakewhite4192 for sure, just saying that it's not always necessary for everything to be full-blown max contrast. Sometimes cohesiveness is also important. Imo it stands out just a smidge too much, but that's just my preference. Heck even mixing some of that orange into the red paint would help.
I 100% agree. I'm only assuming here, but I think Squidmar likes very bright and poppy minis. I feel like 90% of what he paints end up that way. Which is fine, but I agree the orange highlights make the squig look native to the desert. If not because it's evolved that way, then because there's sand all over his skin. I think they look a lot better.
Great video as always. Really interesting seeing your struggles that we all feel. Its funny how everyone struggles with highly detailed model, then GW give us a simple Coteaz model and everyone complains about how simple and plain he is!
Honestly I just love watching your style. The orks look awesome. I think everyone just needs to find their own style and work on that. My process rarely uses edge highlighting, but the final result still looks awesome on the table and to the casual observer. And that is good enough for me.
This community is impossible to please, half buy them for the fun /relaxation of painting miniatures, the other half want to rush through as fast as they can do they can play a game. Impossible to keep everyone happy!
@@daryanguy Yes and no. There are some people (me) who actually love crazy-detailed minis. I do not like orks though but it also comes from the fact that they're simply not my cup of tea. Painting Krieg killteam or Exaction squad right now is a blast ESPECIALLY since I have those details, and I can't wait to get my hands on Krieg release and paint whole army.
@@TheJamesboinkI play orks. And I completely agree with you. Love taking my time and painting all the little details. It’s what got me into 40k in the first place. People are just always grumpy about something
The best miniatures will take paint-ability into account. The perfect ones will find just the right balance of being paintable but detailed. I've been working on a 3d printed vampire army, and I spent a very long time picking out the right models to use for it. There are alot of very nicely modeled zombies and skeletons with loads of detail, but there was no way i was going to paint that much detail on 40 zombies and 40 skeletons. I used some of the more detailed skeleton minis for my more elite skeletons, they look amazing but they take about 5 times as long to paint.
Hearing a pro painter talking about "trusting the process" makes me feel better about my work. I've had too many paint jobs I've done feel like a mess part way through the work because I'm not seeing the end result yet, just the many steps to get there.
I literally just watched a few intros you did for beginners and I had to sub! I am getting into warhammer 40k due to the game coming out ..not going to lie lol,however I would love to get into painting like this!!! No clue where to start but ill figure it out
It might not go along with the idea of contrast and hyper detail of the heavy metal style, but I love the orange squid that blends more subdly with its environment and keeps the attention on the rider
This makes me very glad I play Killteam. Not only is it less financially crushjng, but I have far fewer minis to paint so I actually got take my time on my Corsairs. They're still not good cuz they're the first minis I've ever painted but they're not a total disaster and I'm pretty happy with them
Will you make another video about skaventide? I would appreciate seeing some clanrats painted! Now skaven has an unique look! By the way, amazing video
Are the GW box art minis the real deal? Do they maybe use larger minis that make the clean details more easy to paint? And do they maybe use some help from Photoshop for the box art pictures? In the end they need them as advertising, not to show how nice they can paint them. Of course they should have the resources to create their perfect version.
They are real. But they paint 2 dozen models at most for box art. Most non-horde units consist of 3 to 5 models. Eavy Metal team gets paid to work 8 hour days 5 days per week. Not hard to spend 50+ hours on 5 models when it's literally your job.
THANK YOU! Everyone says oh, orks are easy....but they take forever. I'm like 4-5 hours per snagga boy. I can't believe you painted the Squighog boys in full assembly though. Man, impressive. I did them in 3 part assemblies because I dont have that kind of airbrush or brush control. Love them even though you're always hating on "Steve's" :)
Aye. Painting orks in Kill Team convinced me that I did not want to paint any more orks. Love them plenty, but even after I went full ork mode and put whatever paint wherever, it was unsatisfying. Somehow, I am now a chaos trim junkie.
If you own old ork models from 10+ years ago, they are grimy and muddy in the detail. Modern ork models are incredibly crisp and detailed. They used to be quick to paint - but now they are a premier army and get amazing sculpts.
For the finished orcs, what combination of paints did you use to get the shadows on the skin, like under arm along ribs etc? Love the look of the army.
GW details are out of control. Have been for a while. One of the reasons I ran back to the old world is because the minis are super relaxing to paint. And there are nice flat regions for transitions/reflections. They're more of a canvas.
It's easy to spend 30 hours per head when it's for box art. Not so much when you're about to paint 80 basic troop choices. Otherwise you end up in my paradox, buy more shit to field and never painting it because it takes too long l. At this rate my Sisiters will be done in roughly... 250 years.
There's a secret to that... Don't. If you wanna keep things from getting too visually noisy, you can just pick and choose a few different things to break up the monotony. Then, by picking different details, you can hide repeating components from using multiple of the same box...
I find with my process, either the skin (Orks, Skaven) or Armour (Custodes, Marines) has to look right before proceeding. Recently with Orks I airbrush Orruk Flesh on all their skins, then wash them with Ork Flesh. They end up looking very life like when you add the pink around scars and lips. I found the zenith method makes them look like they are right out of a comic book.
It’s got to the point where you’re fighting against the tide of grey and the time it takes for GW to Legend those models! I don’t think it have enough life left to finish my untouched sprues! Last thing I painted were the two new Big Mek’s, Ghazz and some Nobz. Draining.
I have three armies: Blood Angels (by far the most detailed) Necrons (super easy and satisfying to paint) Tau (easy but edge highlights are extensive). I paint all of them in Eavy Metal style because I haven't taken the time to broaden my horizons just yet. But the Blood Angels are an absolute slog to get through. They are my favourite looking models but it easily takes me 50+ hours to paint a single tactical squad, and that's with shortcuts. The details are a blessing and a curse but the perfectionist in me will not leave them alone.
I’m a newbie in warhammer but got some years in graphic design and I must say that although I’m with you on every word you said, in this case I feel like the palette you choose in the beginning was a bit off. Very low contrast since you chose orange yellow and green and those really blend together. The pinky red on the other hand help the lime green to come out better. Even the brown you used was too hot while if I look at GW gears they tend much more to a blackish cold highlights with a tons more of silver. But again I’m a nobody and maybe I still didn’t understand shit. No disrispect at all since you guys are my main source of info and techniques and I really love your works. Thanks for every piece of art you do🫶🏻
I said it mainly because at the end of the video I see basically the same amount of details in both yours and GW - which is craaaazy, I would never be able to pull out something so accurate lol -
looks really nice. I like it even more than box art which is too clean. And detailed boots painted to the same level as skin just make me loose my focus when I look at the mini.
As tedious as they are I really appreciate Rubric Marines for how straightforward they are, very few different colors needed compared to something like gaurd or gsc.
Box art is a professional paint job focused on making everything extremely readable, painted by a very talented professional (a single marine apparently takes about three working days). Outside of perhaps display painting, that should be taken only as a "serving suggestion", or perhaps inspiration. Hobby whichever way makes you happy, but be realistic about that you will struggle to do army painting too display painting standard, without using a lot of time
How about a challenge episode where one miniature has to be painted with 100% contrast paints? It woukd be awesome to see what you can do within the limits
Personally, I find the amount of visual noise to be over the top for many GW minis. It has actually chased me from the hobby and I stick consequently with role playing games…painting a good quality mini with little to no visual noise for a D&D/Pathfinder session is super satisfying.
Orks orks orks! I'm Up to 8000 Points of painted Orks now. And I'm really Happy about it. But for Sure the new ones have so many Details even basecoating Takes ages.
I much prefer your orange squig with the pale basing because it looks more natural like those creatures live in that biom. The bright red pops too hard and takes away from the orc imo
12:18- Yeah…… but I’m pretty sure any of the top painters also do that (unless they are literally saying or writing how hard it was in their videos or with their posts)!?! Now I don’t know if I could still say I’m fairly new to this stuff…… but anytime I start a new technique I definitely feel like I’m “still a noob”!!! But I’m still pretty slow at my paint jobs! Mainly because I’m going for the more realistic look and certain techniques slow me down still……. So that time frame you said is pretty accurate, for my level!!! But with time you figure out how to still make your models look perfect but with less time spent! So I would think it would be way less of time for someone on your level!?!
think the main thing that would improve your squigs, is giving them bright belly, like they do on box art that thing alone would elevate the whole scheme, at least that is my opinion
Fantastic work, I have my own ork army that I have been painting for over a year now to keep up the competitive gameplay. Probably around 4000Points of painted orks. I learned a lot from doing it as you say there is a lot of detail on the models and if you value your life don't paint them. I love your work and in my opinion, it is better than the heavy mettle. The fell part of the world you have them in more so that GW. GW world is a white background and the way they paint matches this. Your orks fell like they live in a desert and belong to that world. In my opinion, the orange squig was better than the red. I hope to one day have the skils that you do at making mini fell part of the worlds they in. Please keep up the good work.
With better/higher quality miniatures, I don't have an issue with spending more time to paint them. Though, I would focus that quality of painting on a specific mob or hero and their squad that I want to have a unique aesthetic that stands out from the rest of my army too.
You might want to look at the autoducking setting on your music to reduce the rapid increase and decrease in level every-time you pause and maybe chill with the new song every 10 seconds. It's a bit much in my opinion.
Honestly, I like your style much more. Looking at Heavy Metal Boxart style minis always feels like looking at a HDR picture with edge sharpness put to extremes, if you know what I mean. Beautiful pack of orcs you have there!
Man I spent like 10 years trying and failing to match the eavy metal style, it has been much more fun and rewarding to take those skills and apply them to messy grimdark painting
Im taking a long time to pain and kitbash my beast snaggas but mine are free bootaz so i have alot of different colors to make em pop for one to the next and im so much of a perfectionist so its a slog but a fun one
9:59- I get people want to paint everything/anything like the original work!?! I get that! I do it to….. to a certain point!?! Like I want to make my stuff “lore accurate” (so if their faction/clan colors are black and red, that’s what I’m going to mainly stick to! If they are literally called “the green skins” obviously I want to paint their skin green!!! Imperial Fist are yellow and so on)! But with the rest of it (especially when it comes to Orks) there is a lot of wiggle room where you can come up with anything and it still be “lore accurate” and unique!!! But once you try to duplicate someone else’s skill level either in a certain technique or as a whole, that is a slippery slope to making this hobby NOT fun for you!!! So one of the best things pros should be telling noobs and/or beginners is “find your style first and before anything else! And if you already have a style, don’t change it! Just add to it”!!! Just saying
The paintjob is really decent! Would have loved to see a bit more effort put on the bases, maybe just by having some cracks, dried out vegetation, a skull or a cactus. I think that is 5 hours that will really kick the overall effect.
After I get my IG army painted, I’m taking a break and do a few models at a time or maybe just one big model and just go all in on it. Then go torture myself with Death Guard or T-Sons.
It is difficult to paint these miniatures. What takes me 40 hours for one miniature a professional can do 12 in 1/4th the time, not an exaggeration. It takes a long time to build up the knowledge and skill base to do this and it even takes longer to get faster at it. Also we can't all be GD winners on our first miniature ever painted. That's like thinking you can deadlift 1000lbs the first time you work out, or like thinking you can play a Hendrix solo the first time you pick up a guitar. Some people that do those things for years will never be able to reach those epic heights.
I've always been suspect of contrast painting cause it feels lazy and sloppy. Like a cheat almost, and often it looks like it. I started painting like model planes and stuff as a kid (90's) and Warhammer back in the day, (2003) stopped a couple years later as a broke 20 year old. I recently picked painting back up about 3 years ago as an adult, but I still have an old-school way of painting. And while I'm arguably not nearly as good as squidmar, I think traditional base coats, washes, blending and edge highlighting just has waaaay better results than contrast paints.
Depends on the intended results and the game. I don’t mind spending a lot of time and effort on a kill team or an elite army with a small model count. However, I’m not using the techniques you described for 40k IG or Nids where contrast looks decent enough with some dry brushing to speed up the process. To each their own, but don’t knock it until you’ve actually tried it either.
I'm painting a AoS s2d army to my higgest standard i can do. I tell you i really have started hating the detail they put in some places. It does nothing for the miniture at all and i tend to spend so much time on it to then look at the miniture from an arms lengh away and not even see it... like what is it adding to the miniture.
9:32- I don’t know….. I actually really like it! And I don’t think it blends together in a bad way! But if you really feel that way, couldn’t you just make it’s skin darker the further you go down?!? And then where it’s feet/hooves meet the dirt/sand you have a bigger difference!?!
I've been saying this for a few years. The new minis are not fun to paint. It started probably with the new death guard and primaris marines. They are SO detailed. You used to be able to field an army in a couple of weeks. Now it takes that much for a single squad.
GW paint jobs is part of why i quit, i was never happy with my paint jobs and made me never want to show anyone my minis so that meant no playing and a half painted army, sadly we didnt have YT back then to learn from either
Why don't you ever use ArmyPainter Speedpaints but always Citadel contrast? I find the speedpaints work a lot nicer, but thats just brushwork I do, no airbrush in my household.
Used to play Warhammer and D&D around 35 years ago, then fell out with it all after a friend passed away. Been watching your excellent videos for over a year now - finally made the plunge and got the older Ork Combat Patrol (Gyrocoptors in) to start having a go at painting again. Thanks for making this video - really enjoy watching your work
Eavy Metal is an amazing marketing style, with all the parts so neatly defined, you get a very clear view of the product you are about to buy. As painters we don't have to emulate that, there are so many styles that are simpler and more enjoyable to do, arguably with even more satisfying results, that I just stopped trying. Thank you for saying it out lout.
The reason I find your channel so amazing is because you paint to a higher standard but you are ok with being "good enough" given the time spent. Each video I watch I can see where you are content with your output and that is the best lesson to learn as a painter. Not everything needs to be a golden demon entry, and at the the end of the day, it's art, which is subjective and encompasses a vast amount of styles. Anything is better then grey, and the more encouragement we get the better we get.
that ability to give oneself a limit is a gift
I find it INCREDIBLY difficult to start painting ... because I want it to look just like the box art, despite that being unachievable for my current skill level. Glad to hear you talk about where you don't worry about adding detail. I know you're a pro, but it would be cool to see a highlight video on the mess/imperfections you're ok with making on your larger scale jobs 😇
That would be a great video to help people get over it lol, though I have a hard time getting over it too
Anybody ever tells me my minis don't look good I'll have them watch this video, it's hard see, the pro painter said so!
Even better, give them a mini, paints and some brushes, and ask them to do it better 😅
Anyone ever tells you yours minis don’t look good is just being an A-Hole… (unless like they are giving good constructive advice but you know what I mean)
No such thing as a bad mini as long as there is paint on it! Anything is better than grey
Now that contrast paints exist it's hard to really have ugly minis, contrasts offer a strict minimum that requires no skill at all. You really have to be reaaally bad to mess up a paint job nowadays haha
@@simonkohler2182I’m sure someone just said, “Challenge accepted!” To that statement.
It's cool to see a very noob-friendly paintjob first, then watch the different steps you take to add various elements of "pop". Gives me a pathway for painting my own minis and makes it feel a lot more achievable to get cool results (albiet, no air brush ... yet).
Appreciate it heaps - love your work!
This is my problem with the new imperial guard models, the old models you could pick how many extra bits to stick on. Now they are compulsory and add hours onto a unit’s prep
Any updates on the golden demon project? Would love to see the progress along the way
So glad you talked about the amount of detail. I got completely burnt out a few years ago cos painting was just so tedious and there were so many bits to do. After months of not painting a thing, I got hold of the old Chaos Dwarf Blood Bowl team and I LOVED painting them - single piece casts, limited equipment/details, open poses. They were a joy, so I now look for more 'retro' style miniatures and avoid GW and 3D prints, because those sculptors just pile on the curves and cuts and tiny details you can't do by hand.
I do it all by hand, but I paint to paint, not to get an army ready, so that helps a lot. I find it way more enjoyable this way.
Definitely agree about the level of detail being overwhelming. I'm working on a Chaos Space Marines army. Every model has so many tiny details! Ammo pouches, holsters, grenades, leather strips, chaos icons, animal pelts, it's crazy. For troops I've been trying to limit each model to three main colours (Armour panels, metal trim, one accent colour) then at most two others (usually leadbelcher and one other colour for a prominent extra bit). If I spent 10+ hours painting each model I would never have a finished army. I'd rather skip some steps and use the extra time to actually play the game. There's no need to spend a hundred hours on a unit that is probably going to get killed in turn 1 of the game.
The CSM have to be the posterchild for over-design in this way; such to the extent that for my own I have just been using Primaris as my marines, then adding a custom detail here or there for embellishment. The one exception to this is the hero/character, but they are normally 3x the effort/time anyway.
I am glad that SM is amazing at telling it like it is: Armies are about GETTING THEM on the table! and focusing on methods that help all of us get to a place where our Grey gets finished! Hope your vacation has been amazing
I think this video does a good job of explaining why I think speedpainting/timed challenges videos are so popular. I think the secret is not how quick or how fast the paint job goes, I think it is the speed to the quality ratio. I personally have over 20 armies across AoS and 40k. With each Army I painted, I was finding new ways to speed up the process AND increase the quality. Not to mention that sometimes what someone needs to at least get their minis to "battle ready" and then from there they can continue to go back and apply new highlights, techniques, etc
I have repainted entire armies due to learning a newer way of doing things, and still I consider no models finished. I just tend to hit each army to a slightly higher level of detail each time they go to a tournament (more of a touch up) In 10 more years I might have an army that's up to Eavy Metal standard.
As someone who just paints and doesn't play, ive never needed to batch paint so ive not really thought about over detail much. But yeah i guess its got worse over the years. Still you can totally understand why GW paint there mini the style they do, it just looks good in a photo and its easier to get the lighting right.
Thanks for posting this.
It can be really disheartening after finishing a mini and comparing it to the box art. Amazing to see you break it down and let us know why we may feel like that!
Love the channel
I felt that when I painted the normal Ork combat patrol for a friend. So much details in every model. I had to just keep it simple in the troops and spend more time on characters.
You know, the Red Squig pops out more, but the Orange Squig looks more like he's native to that Desert area and imo fits in more.
I think overall it makes the army feel more cohesive.
Meanwhile irl you got frogs that are red/black/blue living in tropical green forests
@@jakewhite4192 for sure, just saying that it's not always necessary for everything to be full-blown max contrast. Sometimes cohesiveness is also important.
Imo it stands out just a smidge too much, but that's just my preference. Heck even mixing some of that orange into the red paint would help.
I 100% agree. I'm only assuming here, but I think Squidmar likes very bright and poppy minis. I feel like 90% of what he paints end up that way. Which is fine, but I agree the orange highlights make the squig look native to the desert. If not because it's evolved that way, then because there's sand all over his skin. I think they look a lot better.
@@jakewhite4192 Sure, but you also have polar bears living in snow.
If even you get overwhelmed with the bazillion details and fiddly bits on these guys, it makes a novice like me feel a little better.
Great video as always. Really interesting seeing your struggles that we all feel. Its funny how everyone struggles with highly detailed model, then GW give us a simple Coteaz model and everyone complains about how simple and plain he is!
Honestly I just love watching your style. The orks look awesome. I think everyone just needs to find their own style and work on that. My process rarely uses edge highlighting, but the final result still looks awesome on the table and to the casual observer. And that is good enough for me.
Beyond the great paint jobs - great music & editing. Well done.
Like your colors more. Like your painting style more. So no issues here. Respect for your army. 🙏👍👍🏽🇳🇱
This community is impossible to please, half buy them for the fun /relaxation of painting miniatures, the other half want to rush through as fast as they can do they can play a game. Impossible to keep everyone happy!
I mean they could keep the basic units well basic, then have HQs and what not as they are done now being hyper detailed.
@@daryanguy Yes and no. There are some people (me) who actually love crazy-detailed minis. I do not like orks though but it also comes from the fact that they're simply not my cup of tea. Painting Krieg killteam or Exaction squad right now is a blast ESPECIALLY since I have those details, and I can't wait to get my hands on Krieg release and paint whole army.
@@TheJamesboinkI play orks. And I completely agree with you. Love taking my time and painting all the little details. It’s what got me into 40k in the first place. People are just always grumpy about something
The best miniatures will take paint-ability into account. The perfect ones will find just the right balance of being paintable but detailed. I've been working on a 3d printed vampire army, and I spent a very long time picking out the right models to use for it. There are alot of very nicely modeled zombies and skeletons with loads of detail, but there was no way i was going to paint that much detail on 40 zombies and 40 skeletons.
I used some of the more detailed skeleton minis for my more elite skeletons, they look amazing but they take about 5 times as long to paint.
Love to see you painting orks. I wish I could my army like that in 20 hours. Thanks for another good video.
Turned out great Emil! 🎉
always great when a new Vid comes out!
After painting a bunch of TSons it is such a treat to go back to something as easy as orks
Orks also have small details, plus you have to get the skin right, try space marines if you want easy painting
I have this box bought at beginning of the year and yet to paint one figure, so this was very helpful.
Hearing a pro painter talking about "trusting the process" makes me feel better about my work. I've had too many paint jobs I've done feel like a mess part way through the work because I'm not seeing the end result yet, just the many steps to get there.
that megaboss or whatever it is with that giant fist is such an incredible model wow
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I literally just watched a few intros you did for beginners and I had to sub! I am getting into warhammer 40k due to the game coming out ..not going to lie lol,however I would love to get into painting like this!!! No clue where to start but ill figure it out
I painted the ork kommandos kill team and that was enough for me 😅 fun but lotsss of details
Exact same. Got'em from 2ED KT starter and it was painfull to actually finish them xd
It might not go along with the idea of contrast and hyper detail of the heavy metal style, but I love the orange squid that blends more subdly with its environment and keeps the attention on the rider
This makes me very glad I play Killteam. Not only is it less financially crushjng, but I have far fewer minis to paint so I actually got take my time on my Corsairs. They're still not good cuz they're the first minis I've ever painted but they're not a total disaster and I'm pretty happy with them
Will you make another video about skaventide? I would appreciate seeing some clanrats painted! Now skaven has an unique look!
By the way, amazing video
Love squids music in every dam vid sooo chilled
20h for all looks great man good job
Whoa buddy! This gave me a wicked little green Ork chub ❤️ Chubbin’ so hard you guys! So hard!
Both styles are good but man your orks are beautiful
Another great video. Keep up the good work ✌️🏴
Are the GW box art minis the real deal? Do they maybe use larger minis that make the clean details more easy to paint? And do they maybe use some help from Photoshop for the box art pictures? In the end they need them as advertising, not to show how nice they can paint them. Of course they should have the resources to create their perfect version.
They are real. But they paint 2 dozen models at most for box art. Most non-horde units consist of 3 to 5 models. Eavy Metal team gets paid to work 8 hour days 5 days per week. Not hard to spend 50+ hours on 5 models when it's literally your job.
THANK YOU! Everyone says oh, orks are easy....but they take forever. I'm like 4-5 hours per snagga boy.
I can't believe you painted the Squighog boys in full assembly though. Man, impressive. I did them in 3 part assemblies because I dont have that kind of airbrush or brush control.
Love them even though you're always hating on "Steve's" :)
Aye. Painting orks in Kill Team convinced me that I did not want to paint any more orks. Love them plenty, but even after I went full ork mode and put whatever paint wherever, it was unsatisfying. Somehow, I am now a chaos trim junkie.
I’m doing the old combat patrol and it is taking a hell of a lot longer
Thank you for this video, said what I thought 👍
If you own old ork models from 10+ years ago, they are grimy and muddy in the detail. Modern ork models are incredibly crisp and detailed. They used to be quick to paint - but now they are a premier army and get amazing sculpts.
Wao those orkz looks fantastic, would drop my jaw if I would face those in a tourney 🤩
NICE!!!!!!!amazing job like always.
For the finished orcs, what combination of paints did you use to get the shadows on the skin, like under arm along ribs etc? Love the look of the army.
GW details are out of control. Have been for a while. One of the reasons I ran back to the old world is because the minis are super relaxing to paint. And there are nice flat regions for transitions/reflections. They're more of a canvas.
they think it makes things harder for recasters & 3d printers.
@@bigpoppa1234 I wish that wasn't the reason but it probably is
It's easy to spend 30 hours per head when it's for box art. Not so much when you're about to paint 80 basic troop choices. Otherwise you end up in my paradox, buy more shit to field and never painting it because it takes too long l. At this rate my Sisiters will be done in roughly... 250 years.
I'll be rooting for you all the way
Soo many flashbacks of painting my flash gitz, they have so many details, it takes forever to paint them
There's a secret to that... Don't. If you wanna keep things from getting too visually noisy, you can just pick and choose a few different things to break up the monotony. Then, by picking different details, you can hide repeating components from using multiple of the same box...
Best video ending in the history of video endings. Much better than "Big kiss, love you all, etc."
The army looks epic!
I find with my process, either the skin (Orks, Skaven) or Armour (Custodes, Marines) has to look right before proceeding. Recently with Orks I airbrush Orruk Flesh on all their skins, then wash them with Ork Flesh. They end up looking very life like when you add the pink around scars and lips. I found the zenith method makes them look like they are right out of a comic book.
It’s got to the point where you’re fighting against the tide of grey and the time it takes for GW to Legend those models! I don’t think it have enough life left to finish my untouched sprues!
Last thing I painted were the two new Big Mek’s, Ghazz and some Nobz. Draining.
Krieg video maybe, maybe a nucular winter theme or something unique
I don't like Warhammer
"krieg" and "unique" do not fit together.
I would love a Chaos Guardsman paint concept.
Those look pretty darn good! For a whole army we can't expect GD level painting on each model
I have three armies:
Blood Angels (by far the most detailed)
Necrons (super easy and satisfying to paint)
Tau (easy but edge highlights are extensive).
I paint all of them in Eavy Metal style because I haven't taken the time to broaden my horizons just yet. But the Blood Angels are an absolute slog to get through. They are my favourite looking models but it easily takes me 50+ hours to paint a single tactical squad, and that's with shortcuts. The details are a blessing and a curse but the perfectionist in me will not leave them alone.
I’m a newbie in warhammer but got some years in graphic design and I must say that although I’m with you on every word you said, in this case I feel like the palette you choose in the beginning was a bit off. Very low contrast since you chose orange yellow and green and those really blend together. The pinky red on the other hand help the lime green to come out better. Even the brown you used was too hot while if I look at GW gears they tend much more to a blackish cold highlights with a tons more of silver.
But again I’m a nobody and maybe I still didn’t understand shit. No disrispect at all since you guys are my main source of info and techniques and I really love your works.
Thanks for every piece of art you do🫶🏻
I said it mainly because at the end of the video I see basically the same amount of details in both yours and GW - which is craaaazy, I would never be able to pull out something so accurate lol -
looks really nice. I like it even more than box art which is too clean. And detailed boots painted to the same level as skin just make me loose my focus when I look at the mini.
As tedious as they are I really appreciate Rubric Marines for how straightforward they are, very few different colors needed compared to something like gaurd or gsc.
Box art is a professional paint job focused on making everything extremely readable, painted by a very talented professional (a single marine apparently takes about three working days).
Outside of perhaps display painting, that should be taken only as a "serving suggestion", or perhaps inspiration. Hobby whichever way makes you happy, but be realistic about that you will struggle to do army painting too display painting standard, without using a lot of time
How about a challenge episode where one miniature has to be painted with 100% contrast paints? It woukd be awesome to see what you can do within the limits
Paint some Aeldari Guardians. They’re just de right amount of detail 👌
Do you have any examples of how you do ork eyes in particular?
Personally, I find the amount of visual noise to be over the top for many GW minis. It has actually chased me from the hobby and I stick consequently with role playing games…painting a good quality mini with little to no visual noise for a D&D/Pathfinder session is super satisfying.
I think the yellow armor was too close to the orange squig skin (which I love and might steal! 😁)
Detail creep is why I love to paint Tyranids. No crap to obscure the miniature.
Orks orks orks! I'm Up to 8000 Points of painted Orks now. And I'm really Happy about it. But for Sure the new ones have so many Details even basecoating Takes ages.
Im dipping my miniatures into a big can of nuln oil and im still having fun painting!
I much prefer your orange squig with the pale basing because it looks more natural like those creatures live in that biom. The bright red pops too hard and takes away from the orc imo
12:18- Yeah…… but I’m pretty sure any of the top painters also do that (unless they are literally saying or writing how hard it was in their videos or with their posts)!?!
Now I don’t know if I could still say I’m fairly new to this stuff…… but anytime I start a new technique I definitely feel like I’m “still a noob”!!! But I’m still pretty slow at my paint jobs! Mainly because I’m going for the more realistic look and certain techniques slow me down still……. So that time frame you said is pretty accurate, for my level!!! But with time you figure out how to still make your models look perfect but with less time spent! So I would think it would be way less of time for someone on your level!?!
think the main thing that would improve your squigs, is giving them bright belly, like they do on box art
that thing alone would elevate the whole scheme, at least that is my opinion
Are yall gonna do more wet pallets?? 🙏🙏🙏
I feel so much better about my paint jobs now, if Squidmar thinks the box art is too much, well at least I am not alone.
Do you guys shoot in 4K but then render out in 1080P? Cut on a 1080P timeline?
we want to see the next part of your Golden Demon entries
Fantastic work, I have my own ork army that I have been painting for over a year now to keep up the competitive gameplay. Probably around 4000Points of painted orks. I learned a lot from doing it as you say there is a lot of detail on the models and if you value your life don't paint them. I love your work and in my opinion, it is better than the heavy mettle. The fell part of the world you have them in more so that GW. GW world is a white background and the way they paint matches this. Your orks fell like they live in a desert and belong to that world. In my opinion, the orange squig was better than the red. I hope to one day have the skils that you do at making mini fell part of the worlds they in. Please keep up the good work.
With better/higher quality miniatures, I don't have an issue with spending more time to paint them. Though, I would focus that quality of painting on a specific mob or hero and their squad that I want to have a unique aesthetic that stands out from the rest of my army too.
Agree with you details on central army piece are good but the rest of army should be more sime
You might want to look at the autoducking setting on your music to reduce the rapid increase and decrease in level every-time you pause and maybe chill with the new song every 10 seconds. It's a bit much in my opinion.
How do you feel about the level of detail on Infinity miniatures? How does that compare/differ to GW?
Honestly, I like your style much more. Looking at Heavy Metal Boxart style minis always feels like looking at a HDR picture with edge sharpness put to extremes, if you know what I mean.
Beautiful pack of orcs you have there!
hello squidamare, it seems that the model used for the video about « nmm » is not anymore on your website, is it possible to get the stl file of it ?
When you get Future Emil nearby anyway, would you bother to ask when 4K is coming?
Man I spent like 10 years trying and failing to match the eavy metal style, it has been much more fun and rewarding to take those skills and apply them to messy grimdark painting
Im taking a long time to pain and kitbash my beast snaggas but mine are free bootaz so i have alot of different colors to make em pop for one to the next and im so much of a perfectionist so its a slog but a fun one
9:59- I get people want to paint everything/anything like the original work!?! I get that! I do it to….. to a certain point!?! Like I want to make my stuff “lore accurate” (so if their faction/clan colors are black and red, that’s what I’m going to mainly stick to! If they are literally called “the green skins” obviously I want to paint their skin green!!! Imperial Fist are yellow and so on)! But with the rest of it (especially when it comes to Orks) there is a lot of wiggle room where you can come up with anything and it still be “lore accurate” and unique!!! But once you try to duplicate someone else’s skill level either in a certain technique or as a whole, that is a slippery slope to making this hobby NOT fun for you!!! So one of the best things pros should be telling noobs and/or beginners is “find your style first and before anything else! And if you already have a style, don’t change it! Just add to it”!!! Just saying
The paintjob is really decent! Would have loved to see a bit more effort put on the bases, maybe just by having some cracks, dried out vegetation, a skull or a cactus. I think that is 5 hours that will really kick the overall effect.
I can 75% 1-1 the box art at this point
But I suck at doing my own creativity
batch painting ork models with any degree of accuracy takes a toll
After I get my IG army painted, I’m taking a break and do a few models at a time or maybe just one big model and just go all in on it. Then go torture myself with Death Guard or T-Sons.
It is difficult to paint these miniatures. What takes me 40 hours for one miniature a professional can do 12 in 1/4th the time, not an exaggeration. It takes a long time to build up the knowledge and skill base to do this and it even takes longer to get faster at it. Also we can't all be GD winners on our first miniature ever painted. That's like thinking you can deadlift 1000lbs the first time you work out, or like thinking you can play a Hendrix solo the first time you pick up a guitar. Some people that do those things for years will never be able to reach those epic heights.
I've always been suspect of contrast painting cause it feels lazy and sloppy. Like a cheat almost, and often it looks like it. I started painting like model planes and stuff as a kid (90's) and Warhammer back in the day, (2003) stopped a couple years later as a broke 20 year old. I recently picked painting back up about 3 years ago as an adult, but I still have an old-school way of painting. And while I'm arguably not nearly as good as squidmar, I think traditional base coats, washes, blending and edge highlighting just has waaaay better results than contrast paints.
Depends on the intended results and the game. I don’t mind spending a lot of time and effort on a kill team or an elite army with a small model count. However, I’m not using the techniques you described for 40k IG or Nids where contrast looks decent enough with some dry brushing to speed up the process.
To each their own, but don’t knock it until you’ve actually tried it either.
thanks, I am saving up for the 2 grand titan 6 month at best
I'm painting a AoS s2d army to my higgest standard i can do. I tell you i really have started hating the detail they put in some places. It does nothing for the miniture at all and i tend to spend so much time on it to then look at the miniture from an arms lengh away and not even see it... like what is it adding to the miniture.
9:32- I don’t know….. I actually really like it! And I don’t think it blends together in a bad way! But if you really feel that way, couldn’t you just make it’s skin darker the further you go down?!? And then where it’s feet/hooves meet the dirt/sand you have a bigger difference!?!
I've been saying this for a few years.
The new minis are not fun to paint. It started probably with the new death guard and primaris marines. They are SO detailed.
You used to be able to field an army in a couple of weeks. Now it takes that much for a single squad.
GW paint jobs is part of why i quit, i was never happy with my paint jobs and made me never want to show anyone my minis so that meant no playing and a half painted army, sadly we didnt have YT back then to learn from either
I’m painting kharadron overlords right now and damn I’m getting this feeling. Like amazing models but god is it a pain to paint
Why don't you ever use ArmyPainter Speedpaints but always Citadel contrast? I find the speedpaints work a lot nicer, but thats just brushwork I do, no airbrush in my household.
Had to paint a space wolf army under pressure, cut the the details off lol