Factory to Table: Part - 2 The Trash Panda Silencer by Q
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2019
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In my Factory to Table series I will be documenting my progression, building out a firearm and most all of the accessory components. The series will finally culminating in taking game (hunting) with this set up. The journey starts in one of the colder months of the Pacific North West.
Part 2 picks up where we left on in New Hampshire with Q LLC. Having just finished building the Mini Fix in 300 Blackout, it is time to build a silencer. Big Mitch walks me through building a Trash Panda Silencer. I've got to say, it was a pretty rad experience...
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It’s awesome that Q allows you to film all this.
They are cool people to deal with. :)
Expressing my gratitude for what your doing, very, very, very quietly.
Thank you buddy. :)
I give Q so much credit for showing this
They are pretty open about all their stuff. :)
I double dog dare Discovery's How Its Made to show up and do a factory tour here.
Haha, that would be awesome. :)
The 👈 would flip there shit.
@@Garrick1983 *their
What a great hands on learning and informative experience.
Absolutely, it is amazing to see what goes into things you'd otherwise just pick up in the store.
Mitch, born and raised in Boston, can't miss it with that accent. Love it..I live far away from there now but always know my hometown peeps when I hear them. Great video coverage and build going to buy one of these today!
Awesome, they’re great silencers. :)
Really surprised their welding isn't just fully CNC. It's already a servo on a linear rail so the machine should be all there to move the distance of each baffle before starting the cycle again.
I really like the look of the raw suppressor after its been welded. It looks better than whatever coating they put on these
Great video. Mitch has the classic New England attitude... Totally unenthusiastic about something insanely amazing.
Hahaha, he is a awesome guy. It was fun learning from him. :)
That machine sound in the background got a BEAT!
These are some of my favorite videos. Love the behind the scenes and the build process at Q 🤘🏼🤘🏼👍🏼🍻🍻🍻
Thanks Donald, I think it is a part of the story that doesn't get told enough.
That was on the most informative video . Thanks .
Really surprised they don't backpurge them when welding! 😮
They specifically said they back purge
I’d love to see you go to the dead air factory now and see cans like the Nomad built. Rugged would be cool too or even YHM.
That would be cool to do. Unfortunately a lot of companies are pretty secretive about their stuff, even though none of it is really that secret...
Thanks Ivan and Thank you Q!
Super cool to see what you normally dont.
Way easier then peeking in the end and trying to see what you paid for. 🧐👍
No problem man, I'm grateful also for Q, letting me make this content. :)
That was really cool
Thanks.
Love the soundtrack rancid right out the gates got me hooked
Awesome! :)
I noticed that myself!!!
🤟🏻🤙
Thank you for showing us the factory tour and their 1980s QC process. It reminded me of when I was a young engineer and we moved material around on Metro-Carts. I can see why they charge so much for their suppressors. There is a lot of manual processing and inefficiency in their builds. Great product built on outdated technology.
😂
This is so cool
I love looking behind the curtain, it is amazing what goes into these products.
Love it
Please quadruple your mini fix assembly line.
Sincerely ✨ everyone ✨
LOL, That reminded me of the days of checking the runout of of my 3 & 4 cylinder press fit turbocharged & nitrous charged drag bike crankshafts.
Yea where .012 is way too much runout. Lol
@@jamesgravel7755 Yep, less than .004
Oh crap, I looked directly into the light!
Subscribed 100% because of the Rancid intro.
You’re rad Nick. :)
This farm to table series is awesome Ivan.
Thanks Jake!
When they are orienting to baffles, are they trying to mimic the direction of the rifling of the barrel?
No, just oriented with the other step baffles. It has to do with the gasses going through the can.
Kinda disappointing that they don't use a better material for the blast baffle, or at least a titanium diffuser. I guess they do mainly go for the 300 Blackout and hunting market tho.
On the El Camino's do you need to line the keyholes up is that important
Wow how have I not seen this? Explains a lot. At 11.55 welds are not supposed to be that color.
This is great! Thanks for doing this.
No problem Jonathan, thanks for watching!
a relatively simple cnc mod to that welder would allow it to automatically index and weld all of the seams perfect every time. since the parts are all the same size from suppressor to suppressor it would always position the same...
Good point, I'm not sure why they aren't doing that.
Paul Barclay - they are cheap and there is no incentive to upgrade to robotics because they aren’t in demand enough to adjust and they don’t need the volume.
Considering the price of titanium before it's machined, can't blame a guy for making twice sure the welder is on line.
I did NOT want to mess that up... :)
My man! I love it. What a cool opportunity.
Yes, really grateful for the opportunity to bring this content to everyone. :)
@@KitBadger
Those who watched all the way through like myself are very grateful for your time,
Thanks again!
@@clintmullins8670 thanks man!
Rad🤙🏻
What's the skirt length on each baffle .600? And are the 60° cones?
Really cool getting to see how a Trash Panda is put together!
It is pretty crazy the amount of work that goes into it, versus a mono core on a CNC machine...
@@KitBadger Yeah! I was surprised to see how much manual input there was. I figured it was a lot more automated.
@@benmarov6476 mono core silencers are less intensive. They just put a piece of stock into a CNC machine, but ones like this are a level of art.
were you able to form 1 this can?
you can see the SN on it. If this unit was sold, somebody may be able to identify it as theirs.
i own one ....i now want one un finished like a fine 2 stroke expansion chamber.
Whoa this is so amazeballz! I just realized that its been almost 6 months since I put in for my trash panda 😬
Hopefully your wait will be over soon. :)
Took a year to get an El Camino
Nice
I have a Thunder Chicken in jail and keep watching all your stuff about their suppressors. The wait is killing me.
But who do they get their parts from? Do they not mill their own baffles?
The wait is painful. And I'm not sure to the questions.
I wouldnt machine my own unless i was already established as a machine shop. Unless you are making 100k parts per year i doubt it would be cost effective to pay off one of those huge expensive machines.
So what about back purging the inside during welding specially on ti that without would cause stress risers aka sugaring through out the can .?.?.
Non issue.
Can you shoot an 9mm pcc with the trash panda? I also have a fix rifle and would like to use on my pcc as well.Is that possible?
This is a really cool series and i'm glad Q is on board with letting you show this stuff. Just wish it didn't take so long to get tax stamps.
Ya, that wait time is painful...
Kit Badger I saw in another video you commented that you have your SOT. That may be a good informative video to explain that process. May be a little to personal though. I never heard of it until I googled it but it makes sense how you get your stuff so quickly
@@fnxtugboat3541 I could do one, but it isn't applicable to most. It requires you having a Federal Firearms License.
People wonder why suppressors cost so much, here you go. There is a lot of precision in each single can.
#truth
TheRollingTrip The price is artificially inflated due to the small market of people that go through the process of purchasing one. Plus the unlawful time we’re forced to wait.
Seems like you could / (should) use a tool to align
Love the duct tape back purge fixture
Ingenuity :)
@@KitBadger Most of the time the best solutions are the best. Thanks for this series of videos, I love tours of American Manufacturers doing it right.
@@tylers.4506 no problem man, thanks for watching. :)
Col video. Why couldn’t we see the EDM process or aftermath?
Aren't titanium welds supposed to be silver-colored? Or does that not matter too much?
In practice, it doesn't matter with these. I don't think they've had any welds fail. Even when people have blasted the front end cap due to misaligned suppressors (using step down adapters, haha).
Very cool Ivan. Wonder how quick he can make a silencer? Nice of Q to let you show this process. Looking forward to the next video 😁
I have a feeling Mitch blazes along when he is in his rhythm... :)
Funky beat at 12:07.
why does no one bolt down their arbor presses?
For the tig welding are they using pure argon or is it a mix of argon and other gas?
I'm not sure on that...
Nearly 100 pct sure its pure argon. Helium would be the only other gas to tig weld with and its more expensive than argon.
They are incorrectly welding titanium. It should be a light straw color once you get past brown now into blue purple way too brittle that’s why you see a lot of q failures
@@keithreinert5835 correct. They need to reevaluate their WPS.
Your previous Trash Panda Video and the video by SageDynamics on the Trash Panda made the decision easy for me (with the Horde of choices out there). Completed Paperwork signed today through Silencer Shop; now off to the ATF. Extremely pleased with this purchase.
Awesome Russell, glad to have helped. They are great cans, I think you'll really enjoy it.
Can I just send them my form 1 when I get it and then have them 'help' me with the build? No rule against having help right?
I don’t think they do that. :)
@@KitBadger Ok, it was just a thought. Thanks
Why don’t they use orbital welders?
Thanks Ivan.
I wonder what kind of crazy Shit you will pull up next
No problem buddy, thanks for watching!
@@ANukeWithLegs
It will most likely involve an alligator. I've been craving gator tail.
What kind of watch are you wearing in the video?
Phoibos I think.
Hmm, “that’s fine”. Probably why I stayed away from Q suppressors.
The fact that you even made this comment shows how little you truly understand about any manufacturing processes
As soon as he called it a suppressor you can see the other guy look around like, who let this guy do the interview?
Sweet setup and TIG work , the QC and runout not so good . I would have expected the runout checked before welding , but the EDM process make center alignment on spec . Really cool work , but one baffle strike and it’s toast , no rebuilding in the field . However , a baffle strike on any other device equals toast as well . I would give it a solid 9.5 on a scale to 10 . Leaving the .5 for an future upgrades down the road . I can’t really vision any upgrades , if possible
Really cool video!
Thanks Christopher, glad you enjoyed it!
Listened to all his podcasts super cool
Kevin is a pretty cool dude. Amazing vision.
Very cool. I have a Full Nelson. It sounds like a pellet gun on my AR pistol chambered in 300 AAC. Ivan, what watch are you wearing in this video?
Thanks Aaron, and it is a Phoibos Dive Watch: amzn.to/2V1QdKj
Not making them anymore?
Instantly liked the video because of rancid haha wasn't expecting to hear that.
Right on Eric!
@@KitBadger I'm digging the channel you got. Punk rock and firearms 😁
Can you do a video of Delta P Design’s factory?
I don't know what that is.
Glad you got to "hit the buh-dun". The word is pronounced "buh-tn".
Budd-n
Awesome video! Thank you for sharing. Who makes Q suppressors? KGM?
Q makes them dummy
yo had me at the intro music love rancid
Right on!
@@KitBadger hey kit, why does the brass get stuck in the chamber?
@@wannabecarguy what are you talking about? I don't follow.
@@KitBadger I've seen a condition where the firearm won't cycle with such a device. Upon inspection it was discovered that the brass was expanding by .003". And becoming stuck in the chamber.
@@wannabecarguy a suppressor...?
Hahaha. This guy is so awkward. Great stuff.
It's not the tax stamp that keeps me from purchasing a suppressor, it's the $1000 price of the can itself.
There are cheap ones out there, but they are cheap ones...
Do a form 1 and build one yourself!
You made a comment about accuracy suffers a little, paraphrasing, why does accuracy suffer in this case?
Suprised Welded Construction. How about cleaning buildups??
Don't look at Ivan as well, he gets very bright!
That’s tedious AF. Man I’m glad you showed this work.
Makes you appreciate what goes into the product, doesn't it. :)
Killer
It’s a poor set up to judge with that micrometer if it’s out supposed to do that while still on the lathe
Idk why when you said his son explained to your the importance of how they manufactured their cans i imagined a 6 year old explaining it 🤣🤣🤣
Love me a trash panda!
Fun little cans. :)
I’m sure the father is a totally nice guy... but Man, I could sense the awkwardness from here. He’s definitely more of the engineer type not social type lol
Bradley Tobias Lots of people like to run around bragging and boasting and flaunting how great/smart/skillful they are. I don’t sense he’s that type of guy at all!
I got more of the vibe that Q was being the Ackward Pansy. The old man offered him to jump in and try it out but kept backing our of the challenge and the old man seemed to lose a little faith.
@@MRohCRACKER lol... who tf is Q? You mean Ivan? I think he was just being respectful of their equipment and parts, while trying to fabricate something that takes a large skill set to make. Other guy been doing this stuff probably 30 years, it’s second nature to him and when you’re that good, you take it for granted that anyone should be able to do it. Guys forget there’s huge learning curve...
Awesome...
Ti in an ultrasonic cleaner? Have I been lied to all these years?
Not sure Keith. :) They just use it initially to clean any impurities off the parts before welding and PVD coating.
Kit Badger I have always been told that putting Ti or Al in a ultrasonic cleaner would make micro fractures in the metals and cause failures down the road. I am no engineer and clearly the guys at Q know more than I do. Just thought it was interesting.
@@keithchavez7190 Ahh, gotcha. Ya, beyond my depth, but I think the guys at Q have it figured out...
@@keithchavez7190 Who told you that? There is no reason ultrasonic cleaning should have any adverse effects upon a titanium part, all else equal.
Almost looks sweeter without the PVD coating
Ya, the raw titanium looks pretty cool.
Definitely cool
What a coincidence that their baffle design looks almost like the stacked cup solvent trap cleaning devices out there. Small world
You know what else is weird? How most tires look like a circle... :)
Kit Badger Damn u right
This all looks fine and dandy and all.... but how about CLEANING THE BAFFLES? I’ve always been the breakdown and clean it type.... not the “buy a fully welded and un-cleanable suppressor” type. And just dropping it into a container of solvent NEVER fully cleans it.
You don’t need to clean centerfire suppressors...
@@KitBadger Apparently you’ve never seen one opened up after 1,000 rounds. The amount of powder residue can literally LOCK the baffles together. This is why nearly ALL quality suppressors have removable end caps and baffle stacks, including K baffles, M baffles, and mono-cores, so they can be properly cleaned. Even mono-core suppressors often have “shells” or “clamshells” around them that pop off so you can clean the core fully and not just soak it in CLP. So why would companies like Surefire, Silencerco, AAC, and Ruger all make $800-1,000 cans that breakdown for cleaning if you “don’t need to clean centerfire suppressors”? Hmmm.... guess I’ve been doing it wrong for the last 25 years. Should probably stop cleaning my barrels too then I suppose.
@@KitBadger And if you’re talking about “self-scouring” due to muzzle blast heat and pressures, think again. Most people run subsonic ammo in order to achieve better sound suppression. And what does that mean? Subsonic has much lower pressure and can’t “blow” the can clean. This is especially important with pistols or dirty ammo like .22 rimfires. Subsonic .223/5.56 will INDEED fill a can with residue. Since this is a sealed can, you can’t do more than soak it in something and hope you can get it all back out. May end up running a wet suppressor just trying to clean it.
Ok.
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RAD video!
Thanks Rich, it was a cool experience. :)
Awesome video. You did a great job. So glad the fucks at UA-cam didn't take this down for whatever B.S rule they invent on a whim. I've seen channels afraid to show how to put together and AR upper and lower together. Sad!
Weird time we live in... :(
Who will make me a set of dies to make baffels
Sugar Weasel?!?
It’s coming... 😁
If that's how every silencer is may, wow! That's a labor intensive and time consuming process.
nowadays many are “monocores” made from a single machined piece plus the sleeve. This is the older stacked baffle type design which is generally more effective
Yep, lots of work goes into it...
@@KitBadger
There are many different plans, but few are as expertise as this
No eye shields 🙄
Why is a baffle strike video as a recommendation with this video hmm
Non serviceable cans suck
I'm curious, why do you think that? Or do you mean rimfire cans that actually need to be cleaned?
@@KitBadger
I believe some rimfire cans may just need to be soaked instead of being deemed "non-servicable". The commentor could be inexperienced, maybe they should stick to potatoes and caulking tubes! Lol! (Jk.. don't get hurt
Get educated.
Slow talker rap battle.
Is there any other kind?
Incredibly dull
Cool.
The last dictionary that I read showed that there is a T in the word important.... perhaps you should pronounce it when speaking said word.
Your generation doesn't so much speak the English language as regurgitate it
Cool. Also you should put a period at the end of your sentence.
SSOOOOO much un-needed crap just to make it MMOOOOOORE expensive !!! >>> $1,100 Dollars !!! price of 2 complete guns.
I don’t even know wtf this is