Have you ever wondered if baffle alignment affects suppressor performance? We decided to put this concept to the test in this episode of Suppressor Science!
As a data scientist I really appreciate you calling out things like sample size, it definitely shows you guys know what you're doing. Wish there was a comparison between ports and no ports, though...
Thank you! Was wondering about those ports on suppressor baffles… noticed them after a can got shot off a rifle and thought it was “damage” from the bullet!? But the end cap was not affected and ports all the same… so glad to confirm there is a functional purpose for those ports as well as alignment!
How about a "spiral" offset of the ports? Set port 1 at 12 o'clock, port 2 at 1 o'clock, port 3 at 2 o'clock, and so on down the stack. They're close to being aligned, but still offset enough to be different.
So why dont suppressor companies notch the baffles in such a way that they automatically index when you assemble them? It would be simple to do and wouldn't add much if anything to the build costs...?
Love the info! You guys should starting making baffle alignment rods for suppressors like the switchback. It's hard to get every baffle stack aligned perfectly with the next due to the suppressor body coming together in separate pieces.
Have you / Can you make a video on shooting smaller caliber rounds through a larger bored suppressor? Example: 5.56 thought a 30 Caliber suppressor compared to a dedicated 5.56 suppressor? Sound and Accuracy test?
I'm not entirely sure the early explanation about port alignment holds true for symmetrical (dual opposed) porting as the dynamics of turbulence are different. Hopefully this video will cover it... We also didn't note how alternating 180 degrees on a rifle gave the lowest FRP and at muzzle readings on rimfire. I guess it's not enough to matter. I'm sure there's a lot of complicated interplay that happens once powder is fully burned and reaching the limit of its expansion.
One interesting thing you didn't talk about was the difference in the rise for the random porting at the ear for the semi-auto, it barely increased at all vs the muzzle average where the aligned ports. I guess that's probably because the reduced effectiveness of the ports reduced the backpressure they create as the gases mix and are delayed as they move around to the next port?
isn’t expanding gas traveling faster than projectile, hence, adding side holes in baffles will allow flow of gas, in front of bullet to collide and interfere with flight path of exiting bullet > baffle strikes < (asking for a friend)
This is how I thought they should be aligned but the Gemtech suppressors are the opposite. The baffles will not align in the same direction, they alternate offset config and cannot be aligned. Very strange.
@@jacobturnblom2681 Thanks Jacob, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. Form1 community has a general formula they'll use for aperture and clip size. The only problem there is most don't have the equipment to test. It also seems that commercial can clips are larger generally speaking Also a lot of guys are swearing by dbl clips for low pressure cans, but I don't think I've seen that much in commercial cans. Any thoughts? Thanks Again!
My old (but barely used) AAC Ti-rant 45 directions has me stack three baffles so that ports are stacked, while directing me to stack next four baffles with openings on exact ipposite side from first three baffle openings. Does that make any sense. I know my accuracy with this suppressor attached to my Glock 21SF from 15 yd bench rest was horrific: eught to ten inches from "x" no matter which "hand of the clock" the shots went to (from my adjusting it by extending outward from direct thread attachment by 1/4" and turning...done 12 times with same result).
Моё мнение что самое главное это первый конус и он должен быть от среза ствола на расстоянии меньшем чем длина пули чтобы пороховые газы дробились сразу же как только пуля покидает ствол. Нужно проверить расстояние первого конуса от среза ствола , в 5 мм от среза пуля проходит в конус и пороховые газы не успевают её обогнать тем самым они сразу же гасятся о первый конус . И так один конус за другим . Расстояние между самими конусами тоже должно быть короче чем сама пуля чтобы они не смогли её обогнать , и отверстие в конусах должно быть на много меньше чем в вашем глушителе , так он будет на много эффективнее. Проточка в конусе под большим сомнением и здесь нужны конусы без проточки и с проточкой чтобы определить есть ли разница . У вас большая часть пороховых газов проходит между пулей и отверстием в конусе , с проточкой пороховых газов проходит ещё больше обгоняя пулю . My opinion is that the most important thing is the first cone and it should be from the cut of the barrel at a distance less than the length of the bullet so that the powder gases are crushed as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel. It is necessary to check the distance of the first cone from the cut of the barrel , 5 mm from the cut the bullet passes into the cone and the powder gases do not have time to overtake it , thereby they are immediately extinguished on the first cone . And so one cone after another . The distance between the cones themselves should also be shorter than the bullet itself so that they cannot overtake it , and the hole in the cones should be much smaller than in your silencer, so it will be much more effective. The groove in the cone is in great doubt and here cones without a groove and with a groove are needed to determine whether there is a difference . You have most of the powder gases passing between the bullet and the hole in the cone , with the passage of powder gases passes even more ahead of the bullet .
Chart shows 180 has best outcome. Clear winner for the CZ (best 2 out of 3) and lost to Ruger by 0.15 DB in one section. Random was the clear loser. Then you omitted the winner continuing forward. That's your info that you provided.
2 questions: 1st- 180 degree alternating. Sounds like each one alternating. Or did you mean the more normal 1st half aligned one way and the second half aligned 180 degrees opposite? 2nd- I would think that in your indoor range, the suppressed dB's would be much higher than outside. Have you ever done a comparison? Thanks!
Don't think they did, but indoor range vs outdoors is ginormous of course. I'm assuming your shot indoors, low ceiling ranges with ars are brutal. Now outside, as long as your not to the right or left to absorb the concussion force its way better. But having those sound waves bouncing around inside always is louder than out. But I think this is more accurate inside. It would only be more quiet
Our suppressors will work with virtually any host. Get a 9mm pistol that fits your needs and so long as it either comes with a threaded barrel or has an after market option for one you're good to go to run it suppressed.
When you fully screw on the suppressor, does the index of the clipped portion to the gun matter? Ex. If the "row" of clipped portions is on the right side when the gun is horizontal, does it cause bullet drift to the left, or right? Or is it negligible? (Or should I try to make sure the clipped row is vertical, either directly over or under the bore when the gun is horizontal). Horizontal in this instance means the gun is normal firing position, wither shouldered as rifle or shooting normally w/ a pistol.
In our testing the timing position of the keyhole cutouts do not matter. It's more important that they are lined up internally. It is possible that you could see a slight point of impact shift from one clock position to the next but it would be minimal and repeatable.
Does any maker use Tesla Valve design tech as a basis for baffle design? Can't use it literally the same, the can would blow up. Do not know if gasses would work the same in that design, Just curious. First round pop greatly lessens a suppressors usefulness if you are a hunter. Until they figure out how to purge oxygen from the interior of the suppressor, pop will remain. Would longer barrels reduce pop since all of the powder could be burned up prior to the bullet entering the suppressor?
Lets see a video on some of the worst warranty work you've seen. I hear the guys doing that are wizards. Coming from a guy who may or may not have sent his Omega in once.
As a data scientist I really appreciate you calling out things like sample size, it definitely shows you guys know what you're doing. Wish there was a comparison between ports and no ports, though...
Formal data analysis with p values would be very impressive
I fully agree with you on that one.
I love these scientific videos on suppressors. So cool
Something I always wanted to do but haven't gotten around to yet, thanks guys!
You're the man Dustin!
Legend!!!
Thanks for being rigorous and sharing your results!
Thanks for officially clearing that up. I've always align mine I think because that's the way they came. But it's nice to know for sure now.
Cool video! A video on clocking the baffles relative to the firearm would be very interesting too.
Cool to see you guys rolling around on skateboards. Looks like fun, guns & skateboarding.
Love the Omega... And yes customer service is awesome!! My 6.5cm groups tighten up when using the Omega.
Love to hear it!
Cool video, thanks SilencerStudent for showing me.
Well done experiment. It appears there is no harm in aligning baffles and there is a possible benefit.
Thank you! Was wondering about those ports on suppressor baffles… noticed them after a can got shot off a rifle and thought it was “damage” from the bullet!? But the end cap was not affected and ports all the same… so glad to confirm there is a functional purpose for those ports as well as alignment!
Valuable info, I learn from this video and your other videos.
How about a "spiral" offset of the ports? Set port 1 at 12 o'clock, port 2 at 1 o'clock, port 3 at 2 o'clock, and so on down the stack. They're close to being aligned, but still offset enough to be different.
They did that, they said so. The data still stands. Maybe watch the whole video next time?
@@MrAdeuhtyrwho you mad at bro?
@@Kaizergeld what?
Seriously, what makes you think I’m mad about anything.
Fella’s question was clearly answered in the video.
What are you on about?
This is fantastic information, thank you for sharing! I'll ask the question everyone is wanting to know: are you wearing heelies??
The world may never know.
So why dont suppressor companies notch the baffles in such a way that they automatically index when you assemble them? It would be simple to do and wouldn't add much if anything to the build costs...?
Great video both informative and entertaining.
Love the info!
You guys should starting making baffle alignment rods for suppressors like the switchback.
It's hard to get every baffle stack aligned perfectly with the next due to the suppressor body coming together in separate pieces.
or just make the baffels index
How do you align them on the two parts
@@clownfishcanjuggle my uncle 3d printed out an alignment rod that does the trick.
I'm baffled.
Dad?
Thank for taking the time to share
Puts a lot of BS to rest 👍🏻💯
Have you / Can you make a video on shooting smaller caliber rounds through a larger bored suppressor? Example: 5.56 thought a 30 Caliber suppressor compared to a dedicated 5.56 suppressor? Sound and Accuracy test?
I'm not entirely sure the early explanation about port alignment holds true for symmetrical (dual opposed) porting as the dynamics of turbulence are different. Hopefully this video will cover it...
We also didn't note how alternating 180 degrees on a rifle gave the lowest FRP and at muzzle readings on rimfire. I guess it's not enough to matter. I'm sure there's a lot of complicated interplay that happens once powder is fully burned and reaching the limit of its expansion.
Great vid ,, Beaver has the 10000 yard stare when hez
On that board 🦆🦆👁👁!
Thank you!
One interesting thing you didn't talk about was the difference in the rise for the random porting at the ear for the semi-auto, it barely increased at all vs the muzzle average where the aligned ports. I guess that's probably because the reduced effectiveness of the ports reduced the backpressure they create as the gases mix and are delayed as they move around to the next port?
Great video!!!!
These are awesome!
Great information. Thanks
You didn't point out that in the 22lr rifle, the 180 degree alternating had the quietest first round pop of ALL the rimfire shooting.
According to their data 180 alternating was the best, then they ignored it.
The difference was unnoticeable and the accuracy suffered.
isn’t expanding gas traveling faster than projectile, hence, adding side holes in baffles will allow flow of gas, in front of bullet to collide and interfere with flight path of exiting bullet > baffle strikes <
(asking for a friend)
This is how I thought they should be aligned but the Gemtech suppressors are the opposite. The baffles will not align in the same direction, they alternate offset config and cannot be aligned. Very strange.
I gotta question, need some wisdom..
Would a narrower clip have an effect on lower pressure cans as opposed to a wider clip? Thanks!
@@jacobturnblom2681
Thanks Jacob, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer.
Form1 community has a general formula they'll use for aperture and clip size. The only problem there is most don't have the equipment to test. It also seems that commercial can clips are larger generally speaking
Also a lot of guys are swearing by dbl clips for low pressure cans, but I don't think I've seen that much in commercial cans. Any thoughts?
Thanks Again!
Very good job 👍🏾
Varies in baffle design
Do you happen to have the raw data still? I'd be super interested in doing a statistical analysis just for fun on it.
I wonder how one would work designed like tesla valve? There is probably too much back pressure, but it still would be very cool to see
Should the first baffle or blast baffle be clipped?
My old (but barely used) AAC Ti-rant 45 directions has me stack three baffles so that ports are stacked, while directing me to stack next four baffles with openings on exact ipposite side from first three baffle openings. Does that make any sense.
I know my accuracy with this suppressor attached to my Glock 21SF from 15 yd bench rest was horrific: eught to ten inches from "x" no matter which "hand of the clock" the shots went to (from my adjusting it by extending outward from direct thread attachment by 1/4" and turning...done 12 times with same result).
How about spiral port orientation?
The Doppler effect in that tube is freaky
My staple gun is to loud, do you make a silencer for staple guns?
Моё мнение что самое главное это первый конус и он должен быть от среза ствола на расстоянии меньшем чем длина пули чтобы пороховые газы дробились сразу же как только пуля покидает ствол.
Нужно проверить расстояние первого конуса от среза ствола , в 5 мм от среза пуля проходит в конус и пороховые газы не успевают её обогнать тем самым они сразу же гасятся о первый конус .
И так один конус за другим .
Расстояние между самими конусами тоже должно быть короче чем сама пуля чтобы они не смогли её обогнать , и отверстие в конусах должно быть на много меньше чем в вашем глушителе , так он будет на много эффективнее.
Проточка в конусе под большим сомнением и здесь нужны конусы без проточки и с проточкой чтобы определить есть ли разница .
У вас большая часть пороховых газов проходит между пулей и отверстием в конусе , с проточкой пороховых газов проходит ещё больше обгоняя пулю .
My opinion is that the most important thing is the first cone and it should be from the cut of the barrel at a distance less than the length of the bullet so that the powder gases are crushed as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel.
It is necessary to check the distance of the first cone from the cut of the barrel , 5 mm from the cut the bullet passes into the cone and the powder gases do not have time to overtake it , thereby they are immediately extinguished on the first cone .
And so one cone after another .
The distance between the cones themselves should also be shorter than the bullet itself so that they cannot overtake it , and the hole in the cones should be much smaller than in your silencer, so it will be much more effective.
The groove in the cone is in great doubt and here cones without a groove and with a groove are needed to determine whether there is a difference .
You have most of the powder gases passing between the bullet and the hole in the cone , with the passage of powder gases passes even more ahead of the bullet .
Chart shows 180 has best outcome. Clear winner for the CZ (best 2 out of 3) and lost to Ruger by 0.15 DB in one section. Random was the clear loser. Then you omitted the winner continuing forward. That's your info that you provided.
Is there any data comparing clipped to non clipped?
2 questions:
1st- 180 degree alternating. Sounds like each one alternating. Or did you mean the more normal 1st half aligned one way and the second half aligned 180 degrees opposite?
2nd- I would think that in your indoor range, the suppressed dB's would be much higher than outside. Have you ever done a comparison?
Thanks!
Don't think they did, but indoor range vs outdoors is ginormous of course. I'm assuming your shot indoors, low ceiling ranges with ars are brutal. Now outside, as long as your not to the right or left to absorb the concussion force its way better. But having those sound waves bouncing around inside always is louder than out. But I think this is more accurate inside. It would only be more quiet
What happens if you change the baffle design?
what are some of the best 9mm pistols to use with your suppressors ?
Our suppressors will work with virtually any host. Get a 9mm pistol that fits your needs and so long as it either comes with a threaded barrel or has an after market option for one you're good to go to run it suppressed.
Ear average with the .22 pistol was lowest with 180 altering; why wasn't that discussed at all?
When you fully screw on the suppressor, does the index of the clipped portion to the gun matter? Ex. If the "row" of clipped portions is on the right side when the gun is horizontal, does it cause bullet drift to the left, or right? Or is it negligible? (Or should I try to make sure the clipped row is vertical, either directly over or under the bore when the gun is horizontal). Horizontal in this instance means the gun is normal firing position, wither shouldered as rifle or shooting normally w/ a pistol.
In our testing the timing position of the keyhole cutouts do not matter. It's more important that they are lined up internally. It is possible that you could see a slight point of impact shift from one clock position to the next but it would be minimal and repeatable.
I was wondering the same thing, and how would you be able to be sure they were lined up vertically when you tighten the suppressor down?
Will any of these suppressor work for the mauser m12 inpact or the mauser m18
Does the aligned vs. scattered affect poi shift differently?
Does any maker use Tesla Valve design tech as a basis for baffle design? Can't use it literally the same, the can would blow up. Do not know if gasses would work the same in that design, Just curious.
First round pop greatly lessens a suppressors usefulness if you are a hunter. Until they figure out how to purge oxygen from the interior of the suppressor, pop will remain. Would longer barrels reduce pop since all of the powder could be burned up prior to the bullet entering the suppressor?
would love to see same test with locking slide, like a hk mark23
Check out thr other video about the handgun suppressors and it'll explain
My guess if you hold the slide closed you’d measure a reduction
SCIENCE!... and guns!
Hey Beaver
Where did you get that green hoodie,
I like that!
It’s one of the Silencerco hoodies from a couple years back. Sadly I don’t believe they are offered anymore.
@@joshgraham3202
Right on, pretty tough tho, I like it
Does the gas passing through silencer produce the bang noise?
An "explosion" is the rapid expansion of gasses. A suppressor slows that process down significantly thus reducing the sound signature.
Should have had one with no clips
Do the dots have to be perfectly aligned? Or as long as they kinda form a line, even if it's not perfect?
The dots don't need to line up at all, however the closer they are to lining up the more effective the performance.
@@SilencerCo just got a switchback, and 4 pairs of baffles are stuck together, I don't know how to split them apart.
What about double clips!
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@@jacobturnblom2681
🤣👍🏻
Gas flow knows no up or down
whats with the noise, sounds like you are using supersonic ammo.
12:00 Hahaha! .69" shot group.. Nice ;)
What about the cones that have two holes drilled on either side of the bore hole?
Lets see a video on some of the worst warranty work you've seen. I hear the guys doing that are wizards. Coming from a guy who may or may not have sent his Omega in once.
We have definitely seen A LOT of interesting warranty jobs come through the building.
Amen. Quinton may or may not have heard from me a few times. Treated extremely well every time. Customer for life.
Has anyone tried making a tesla valve suppressor? I'm sure with the advent of 3D printing, this can be achieved easier.
Where did you find ammo? Haha
It required breaking all eight horcruxes and sacrificing a goat.
Everyone watching these videos : we want to learn
ATF/FBI/CIA : ( HEAVY breathing ) terrorist
M4 is not a high power rifle.
There WAY TO EXPENSIVE
First of all you spelled "They're" wrong. Second of all, stop being poor.
Stop being poor
What about the word "to"? Shouldn't it be "too"?
@@Alan-yd5pc @sticky got himself Baffled to too !