You were talking about the certified run. 2 things,. First, that amp is extremely old. Components could be in need of replacement. If completely refurbished, I'd bet it would do considerably more power than it did. Second, it's an early class D design. They were not known for sound quality. It's likely the technology just couldn't produce a clean enough signal to "pass" the certified test. Not to mention that certification didn't exist back then.
this amp was one of my first crazy loud 12" systems, I had one of these along with two 12" RF HX2's in a 1994 Cavalier, my dad and I put in a rear seat from a Z24 Cavalier(cause it folded down) and I had two AC Delco batteries in the trunk, the box was ported (built by a buddy at a local car audio shop for $75.00) it hammered hard, windows rattled, rear view fell off and would get crazy loud for that time in car audio
MMats had a great rep mid 90s for running at .5 ohm. I remember this guys 4 kicker 15s....remember the ones with the gold writing on them lol and they were slamming off one MMats amp. * Big D you got a email or something I can ask you a question?
Old video but I didn't hear any mention of efficiency within the video and I didn't see any mention in the comments. Rated power plus some, small footprint and incredibly efficient. Will run fine off most stock alternators with little more than a big 3 upgrade, also sound great on subs with excellent control and accuracy. Built like tanks and reliable too
David Thompson the owner of MMATS told me a long time ago that MMATS came from the German word Stamm which translated means trunk. Like the trunk of a tree. So now you know. And it’s pronounced “mats”.
Great vid as always big D. Thanks for the time and effort you put into these, we appreciate it greatly. You inspired me to put a volt meter on my new Kenwood Excelon 9005D to see what it's really putting out at 14 volts.
BigDWiz , O-scope? I ain't got no scope. My head unit is a 4 volt Kenwood x399. But, since I can't send a sine wave or measure it to clipping, I might not be able to get any meaningful numbers off of it. Hmmm, time to rethink this maybe. Or not. What's the worst that could happen!? lol
+firebirdude2 the Dyno's certified mode stops measuring at 1% THD. Uncertified mode was designed for many Class D amps according to Tony D'Amore. Not the Dyno's fault the amps can't produce clean power. I'm betting Sonic stopped testing amps b/c not many were meeting ratings and since they sell amps, this could affect sales. I don't know this as fact, just my educated assumption 🤔
+BigDWiz Hmmm. I wonder, specifically, what makes uncertified mode different? I'm referencing class D noise outside the audible frequency band OR even just outside the band normally used by subwoofer amplifiers. Example, if there was class D noise at 30kHz, does the dyno pick that up as distortion? I'm not arguing with ya, just trying to learn a bit more about the dyno. As I've watched folks have issues where it measures ridiculously low on amplifiers we all know output rated power plus.
+BigDWiz Separate note, are all of the dummy loads inside the dyno? What power level are the loads rated up to? I can google a picture of the guts of the AD-1, but it looks like ten 1000W dummy loads. But that somehow does all different impedances AND two channels simultaneously?? I guess a few ridiculously high current relays would help... but I don't see that in there.... Again, just trying to learn more about how it works.
+firebirdude2 there is a manual on the D'Amore Engineering website. It will handle up to 24kW at 0.5 ohm. There is a thread about the AD-1 at SteveMeadedesigns.com/board
They look a lot like the earthquake 200dhc's on the inside and out. I've heard a lot of people have clamped the earthquakes and got 2k at 1ohm. But the were rated at 1700 at 2ohm's I believe. I have 3 of these amps in my old school collection, 50% of the time when people are selling them as not working, there's a fuse hidden underneath the board and it's usually blown. I just replace it and jam!
Nothing like starting the day off watching an amp dyno with my 3 year old daughter. She copies your "old school" and "I'm out of here" with a big smile. So with that i say thanks.
I'm in the process of restoration of a dhc1400.1 with the same high gloss lacquer. wish you were able to post pics in the comments section. 07 capacitors on the input stage with two massive toroids. quite amazing with amount of filtering in a class D amplifier
@@MarcelaLopez-lp1vs my pleasure. It's an amp I'd recommend to anyone that can get one in great shape. I enjoyed collecting and fixing up old amplifiers. Not an expert by any means but quite an enthusiast😊👍
I had the D200HC running 4 12’s and it did well. Wasn’t crazy loud so I bought another one and changed The 12” subs to 4ohm DVC. That way I had each pair of 12’s one one amp running at 1ohm.
+Jorge Martinez nice! I've had a Canon 7D for several years, but it's too much work to set it up and set focus by myself. I like the way I can control the G7 via the iPhone app (focus, fstop, ISO and much more). Autofocus during video is still a bit slow, but they are getting better. Which lenses do you use? Probably Metabones adapted Canon or Nikon glass?
Yes G7 has many advantages over a 7D. I use a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8, the kit lens sometimes for steadicam shots and in low light I'll use an old Canon FD lens with cheap $25 adapter. Best camera under $600 period!
+Jorge Martinez I should have splurged for the 12-35, seems like a nice lens. Speaking of steadicam, have you seen the new stabilization gimbals out for DSLR's and mirrorless cameras? That video footage is butta. I was considering the DJI Osmo mobile to use w/ my Iphone.
Mmats is the German word Stamm backwards. It means stem of a tree (trunk) in its most common definition. And that is where the name comes from. Back in 97/98 a wholesaler near the factory had a dealer show and I was able to tour the facility by myself with the owner. Got to see prototypes of what became the pro series and juggernaut subs. The name story came from him.
I say the lack of Dynamic power is due to the lack in larger capacitors! I have an Old Diamond D3 400.1 with dual power transformers and 50v 5600 UF caps! You Dyno'd an amp a while back that was made for Dynamic power and it had some huge caps that had to be laid sideways on the board and were like 3" long by over 40mm around! It is all about reserve, a large bank of smaller caps will have less reserve than a smaller bank of Large caps, but when it comes to instant power you will get faster cycles with the larger bank of smaller caps than you would with a small bank of like 2+ huge caps! Plus in an old Cart Stereo mag I used to get in the mail, there was a tale of the Class D and one of the first amp makers to manufacture them based upon his own home made version he used in the early to mid 1980's "He built amps for his own company in Florida" I just read MMATS is the company he started! It was still in it's early phases of development by the mid 1990's! It wasn't until the most advanced software that is available in recent years that has allowed them to become huge power houses as well as more efficient with extreme dynamic power capability! So obviously by this statement the guy I am thinking of started MMATS, By the end of 1995 we designed and engineered our very first true Class D mono-block amplifier for car audio. Many of our competitors sat on the sidelines and watched as we developed a niche market that is still being followed today. MMATS Professional Audio is THE company that pioneered the Class D topology for car audio use. There has never been a greater single design approach that totally revolutionized sub-woofer amplification. You should try to find the first LM-12 based MMATS Amp to Dyno! The actual beginning of MMATS Professional Audio was in January of 1990. By 1994 we brought our first amplifier to market. It was, at that time, a very high-end product utilizing a Military Spec part called the LM-12, a self-contained 150 watt operational amplifier in a TO-3 package. The T0-3 package is just like the Linear Power you dyno'd used! The guy was as important as Zed in the Car audio Industry and I had been getting a car audio mag since at least 1994!
I pulled amp off the shelf to take a look at it and the video and they're the exact same board, mine is rated be 1200 watts at 1 ohm. I think 1400 was a selling point. Ive always heard good things about them. I never knew anybody that would really put a lot of money into the newer product without a long reputation and back in the day we put out a lot of money for good systems
Hey I just bought a mmats crome finish d50 HC amp. Have you ever dyno one. If not love to send it to you to test and send back. I'd pay for shipping to you and back. It's supposed to to 1747 watts
I got a old school amplifier well 2 of them i got a brand most people haven't heard of called a 1,600 watt MA audio amplifier and a hear of one MTX American legacy amplifier!
Would love to see you run some old Xtant amps as I'm curious if they perform to their claims. Im sitting on an old x604 for a future old school setup, gonna run the whole system off of it. Got a pair of old paper cone JBL gt 12's. Just gotta find me some old MBquart or image dynamics components and a nakamichi deck!
Knew a guy that had 10 of these in 90's chevy van.A shitload of batteries ( i think those yellow optima batteries were the big deal then),and 18 Ground zero's 15s(im not sure if they were the high end nuclears tho). He owned his own shop so it was much more possible,then for someone like me to do that. He was in the lower 160s,which was monster ground back then. Pretty sure it was a few years after ulma Gates had quit. I think the record was in the lows 170s at the time. He also swapped out this setup from originally using a US amp vlx400.
I miss mine. I had one wired up to 2 rockford t1 d4 in a ported box. Pushed them hard fed it power by a 220a alt and 2 batts and 2ga ofc wire and the Big 3 upgrade. Gave clean power and i only paid 120 from a pawn shop. Sold for 250 2 years after.mine WAS HC
love mmats use to have a 2000.05 0.5 ohm amp did 2k watts I have video of it on my channel can't wait for the next video maybe see sum digital designs amps tested
Man everytime I see you post a comment I can't help myself...dun dun dun, da dun dun, dun dun dun, da dun, Ice Ice Baby....Sorry, just the way my mind works. Yeah, gonna mix it up a bit with some upcoming tests.
Big d wiz ....been trying to get answers on an old school Lanzar opti 6200, what's your take on them and I have access to 2 new in box as well as opti 4150 new in box . They worth buying @ $350 each for sq 3 way?Thanks , love your videos
Vello Wilson my old belva front amp has a much better looking powersupply side than my ppi 2150 belva China 2 toroids 4 105c caps vs 1 toroid and 1 85c cap much better output section on the ppi amp though but my lanzar optidrive 500x2 korean board... kills both of them for a front stage for a fraction of the price
I just think us old guys are thick and think new and cheap equals old pyramid and legacy bullshit when orion ppi and fosgate were killing it its sad but reverse engineering has happened my powerbass 1200.2 has way better parts than my old ppi am2300, 10 filtering caps 2 big toroids 4 5600 caps and 20 output transistors for less 200 bucks it's just better no dought best advice to a new guy to car audio you tube and Google the amp guts because the truth is in the guts
big dwiz I love your channel but I'm just saying that belva amp did over 1900 dynamicly for 150 bucks thats pretty good, too bad it wasn't rated at 1k then people would love them. I've upgraded to 2 twistedsounds 2.8ks that do well over 3700 rms certified (4100 dynamicly) but they were 1000 bucks Canadian but my old ppi 2150 was 2100 bucks in '92 and my old orion 2200sx was even more, it's just crazy how the technology has changed, but I still swear my brothers old ppi am2050 is one of the cleanest loudest 100 watt amps I've ever heard old skool ftw #IMOUTAHERE
I just get ticked off when manufacturers "cheat" on the ratings. Just tell us what we are getting. Yes, the Belva is a great value for the watts per dollar. Only issue is there has to be some sacrifice on the cheap amps. They are still making money selling that Belva for 150 including the cost for shipping. Doesn't leave a lot for the cost of the components and assembly...
BigDWiz I agree, I just think it's crazy how much the tech. has changed, man when I was 18 all I wanted was an astro van with that big USAMPS power don't make fun of my purple amp, keep up the good work, and I'm sure old fellas like you and me will describe ppi orion fosgate 100watts is equal to pioneer 1000watts remember the car stereo review mag. when they tried to get a distortion rating on a ppi 2075 over 1%, went all the way up to a 100amp fuse, gave up and said it's the new bench mark
Ya, i miss the old crunch days, lanzar,when pyle wasn't complete shit, as if :P, cerwin vega,mtx road thunders,alpine made an amp,blaupunkt was a thing. Rockford was king of the hill,orion getting good,1000 watt subs was like woah....good times.
Those amps were built for competition so they didn't care about the distortion. They even came with only a guarantee to work out of the box iirc, no real warranty
Ya I think there was something wrong with that amp. CA&E tested it in Dec 1998 and got about your numbers @ 1% THD/ @ 12.5 volts. I have a D200HC and D500.1 in storage and can attest that tho small compared to some of today's maps with the right subs they definitely bump.
hay I have a question the rockville amp I'm getting mix reviews on it their are two other videos I look at and they said they have over heating problems with the amp I wanted to get your opinion is it a good amp I'm looking at the 6k one
I didn't keep mine long enough to do extensive testing. There is a lot of info on the Facebook groups about these amps, may want to ask on one of them. Sorry I could not be more helpful
I got 1192 wired in my garage floor on 210 essay 15s at 1 ohm on One battery just to test it out and see what it would sound like and my vote is dropped till like 11.4 so I shut it off and hung it up in my vehicle I don't know what box rides was or the actual Anson bolts I clamped I just remember 1192
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Inwonder of they have social media and interact with people. Company has alot of potential
You were talking about the certified run.
2 things,. First, that amp is extremely old. Components could be in need of replacement. If completely refurbished, I'd bet it would do considerably more power than it did.
Second, it's an early class D design. They were not known for sound quality. It's likely the technology just couldn't produce a clean enough signal to "pass" the certified test. Not to mention that certification didn't exist back then.
They came out with the class d amp one of the best amp companies and made in the USA
The MMATS amps are definitely nice looking amps. I've installed a few for customers back in the late '90's- early 2000's and they performed well.
Agreed!
I'm running a d100hc, lm4065, and lm 2025hc in my daily right now. About to change them out for a bunch of pdx stuff.. Just to see if I like them.
The only manufacturer that I know of that still makes amps in the USA
Linear Power, TRU Technology and MMATS
Awesome Video BigD!~
I just got this amp in my shop for repairs but this 1 is shiny white in color
this amp was one of my first crazy loud 12" systems, I had one of these along with two 12" RF HX2's in a 1994 Cavalier, my dad and I put in a rear seat from a Z24 Cavalier(cause it folded down) and I had two AC Delco batteries in the trunk, the box was ported (built by a buddy at a local car audio shop for $75.00) it hammered hard, windows rattled, rear view fell off and would get crazy loud for that time in car audio
I like the new video format. Great stuff. Keep em coming!
+alexisthemexican muchas gracias 😊
Great vid , great looking amp 👍
They had a mod for these amps as well. Looked like a big capacitor sticking out from the heatsink.
+Brian Jenkins yeah, I've seen those too. Reports of 1800'ish watts. I ain't gonna say never, but maybe
I have a few with the stage 3 mod . They do well over 2k
Do you have any pictures of the mods? I have a d100hc
Yup. I can attest to the mod. Most of my friends competed and we all had those amps that were modded by Metro Audio Dynamics
I got one ☝🏽 still got it thats my baby
I like the camera work and aesthetic style of this episode! very cool!
+john wanamaker thanks man, wanted to mix it up a bit. I appreciate the feedback
MMats had a great rep mid 90s for running at .5 ohm. I remember this guys 4 kicker 15s....remember the ones with the gold writing on them lol and they were slamming off one MMats amp.
* Big D you got a email or something I can ask you a question?
+Gary Herring aka G-Style it's my username at gmail dot com
This amp was amazing when it came out. I miss it after watching this…..
nice amp I still have the same in good condition back in the days it was 1 dollar per wats .good video keep it up.
I had the d300 on 2 12’ punch power dvc’s and it sounded great
Old video but I didn't hear any mention of efficiency within the video and I didn't see any mention in the comments.
Rated power plus some, small footprint and incredibly efficient. Will run fine off most stock alternators with little more than a big 3 upgrade, also sound great on subs with excellent control and accuracy.
Built like tanks and reliable too
David Thompson the owner of MMATS told me a long time ago that MMATS came from the German word Stamm which translated means trunk. Like the trunk of a tree. So now you know. And it’s pronounced “mats”.
digging the production on your vids lately sir
+Caleb Crawford thanks 👍
Great vid as always big D.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into these, we appreciate it greatly.
You inspired me to put a volt meter on my new Kenwood Excelon 9005D to see what it's really putting out at 14 volts.
+Jeremy Leech thanks bud. What voltage did you get out of that HU? Do you have an o' scope to see clipping?
BigDWiz , O-scope? I ain't got no scope.
My head unit is a 4 volt Kenwood x399.
But, since I can't send a sine wave or measure it to clipping, I might not be able to get any meaningful numbers off of it.
Hmmm, time to rethink this maybe.
Or not. What's the worst that could happen!? lol
Is this another example of class D noise affecting the SMD dyno? This is the very reason Sonic gave up on testing with the SMD dyno...
+firebirdude2 the Dyno's certified mode stops measuring at 1% THD. Uncertified mode was designed for many Class D amps according to Tony D'Amore. Not the Dyno's fault the amps can't produce clean power. I'm betting Sonic stopped testing amps b/c not many were meeting ratings and since they sell amps, this could affect sales. I don't know this as fact, just my educated assumption 🤔
+BigDWiz Hmmm. I wonder, specifically, what makes uncertified mode different? I'm referencing class D noise outside the audible frequency band OR even just outside the band normally used by subwoofer amplifiers. Example, if there was class D noise at 30kHz, does the dyno pick that up as distortion? I'm not arguing with ya, just trying to learn a bit more about the dyno. As I've watched folks have issues where it measures ridiculously low on amplifiers we all know output rated power plus.
+BigDWiz Separate note, are all of the dummy loads inside the dyno? What power level are the loads rated up to? I can google a picture of the guts of the AD-1, but it looks like ten 1000W dummy loads. But that somehow does all different impedances AND two channels simultaneously?? I guess a few ridiculously high current relays would help... but I don't see that in there.... Again, just trying to learn more about how it works.
+firebirdude2 there is a manual on the D'Amore Engineering website. It will handle up to 24kW at 0.5 ohm. There is a thread about the AD-1 at SteveMeadedesigns.com/board
They had some that said .05 ohm stable and .03 ohm stable can you find those mmatz ?
my fav brand
I have always wondered about those amps....
Nice good ro know.
Yessir, they seem to do rated plus a little. Old Class D amps were tested to clipping, so this is how I performed this test
They look a lot like the earthquake 200dhc's on the inside and out. I've heard a lot of people have clamped the earthquakes and got 2k at 1ohm. But the were rated at 1700 at 2ohm's I believe. I have 3 of these amps in my old school collection, 50% of the time when people are selling them as not working, there's a fuse hidden underneath the board and it's usually blown. I just replace it and jam!
What did the Lanzar opti 6200 and opti4150 sell for new? Thanks
Great vid!
Nothing like starting the day off watching an amp dyno with my 3 year old daughter. She copies your "old school" and "I'm out of here" with a big smile. So with that i say thanks.
I'm in the process of restoration of a dhc1400.1 with the same high gloss lacquer. wish you were able to post pics in the comments section.
07 capacitors on the input stage with two massive toroids. quite amazing with amount of filtering in a class D amplifier
Do u know if its 1ohm stable
@@MarcelaLopez-lp1vs It is 1 ohm stable and its a power house. Very beautiful amplifier.
@@ehrenkrause9861 thank u for taking the time to respond responding
@@MarcelaLopez-lp1vs my pleasure. It's an amp I'd recommend to anyone that can get one in great shape. I enjoyed collecting and fixing up old amplifiers. Not an expert by any means but quite an enthusiast😊👍
You pronounced it correctly, my bro is an authorized dealer for them. & a Mecca world champ no wall competitor.
I saw five speaker wire connect points what's up with the fifth one
I had the D200HC running 4 12’s and it did well. Wasn’t crazy loud so I bought another one and changed The 12” subs to 4ohm DVC. That way I had each pair of 12’s one one amp running at 1ohm.
nice results. wonder if the power supply is regulated and that's why it didnt do good numbers dynamic.
I didn't do enough extensive tests to determine if this is the case. But yeah, it sure does act like one based on the dynamic numbers
I see you've upgraded your camera. Looks good man! What camera is it?
+Jorge Martinez thanks bud. It's a Panasonic Lumix G7 with 42.5mm f/1.8 lens. I also use a Sennheiser G3 wireless mic / lav for my audio
BigDWiz excellent choice. I use G7s for my wedding video business.
+Jorge Martinez nice! I've had a Canon 7D for several years, but it's too much work to set it up and set focus by myself. I like the way I can control the G7 via the iPhone app (focus, fstop, ISO and much more). Autofocus during video is still a bit slow, but they are getting better. Which lenses do you use? Probably Metabones adapted Canon or Nikon glass?
Yes G7 has many advantages over a 7D. I use a Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8, the kit lens sometimes for steadicam shots and in low light I'll use an old Canon FD lens with cheap $25 adapter. Best camera under $600 period!
+Jorge Martinez I should have splurged for the 12-35, seems like a nice lens. Speaking of steadicam, have you seen the new stabilization gimbals out for DSLR's and mirrorless cameras? That video footage is butta. I was considering the DJI Osmo mobile to use w/ my Iphone.
I like the new video style where we get a better look at the amps. thank you
Loved the old mmats amps. Not sure if they got better or worse after this series.
They’ve gotten better
What did the 1996 price guide list the msrp of th Lanzar opti6200 ? Anyone ? Thanks
Do you still have this product
Mmats is the German word Stamm backwards. It means stem of a tree (trunk) in its most common definition. And that is where the name comes from. Back in 97/98 a wholesaler near the factory had a dealer show and I was able to tour the facility by myself with the owner. Got to see prototypes of what became the pro series and juggernaut subs. The name story came from him.
Your camera looks super clear
gotta throw that background out of focus, make me looks a bit mo professional....oops, camera can't make up for da big dummy
Awesome video bro👍🏻👍🏻 hope to see more videos lol
+cubanman2009 😊👍
I had a mmats lm2050 great door speaker amp back then.
+Ronco160 that one had the T-03 transistors?
yes i still have one of the side gold name tags
I say the lack of Dynamic power is due to the lack in larger capacitors! I have an Old Diamond D3 400.1 with dual power transformers and 50v 5600 UF caps! You Dyno'd an amp a while back that was made for Dynamic power and it had some huge caps that had to be laid sideways on the board and were like 3" long by over 40mm around! It is all about reserve, a large bank of smaller caps will have less reserve than a smaller bank of Large caps, but when it comes to instant power you will get faster cycles with the larger bank of smaller caps than you would with a small bank of like 2+ huge caps!
Plus in an old Cart Stereo mag I used to get in the mail, there was a tale of the Class D and one of the first amp makers to manufacture them based upon his own home made version he used in the early to mid 1980's "He built amps for his own company in Florida" I just read MMATS is the company he started! It was still in it's early phases of development by the mid 1990's! It wasn't until the most advanced software that is available in recent years that has allowed them to become huge power houses as well as more efficient with extreme dynamic power capability!
So obviously by this statement the guy I am thinking of started MMATS, By the end of 1995 we designed and engineered our very first true Class D mono-block amplifier for car audio. Many of our competitors sat on the sidelines and watched as we developed a niche market that is still being followed today. MMATS Professional Audio is THE company that pioneered the Class D topology for car audio use. There has never been a greater single design approach that totally revolutionized sub-woofer amplification.
You should try to find the first LM-12 based MMATS Amp to Dyno! The actual beginning of MMATS Professional Audio was in January of 1990. By 1994 we brought our first amplifier to market. It was, at that time, a very high-end product utilizing a Military Spec part called the LM-12, a self-contained 150 watt operational amplifier in a TO-3 package. The T0-3 package is just like the Linear Power you dyno'd used! The guy was as important as Zed in the Car audio Industry and I had been getting a car audio mag since at least 1994!
I pulled amp off the shelf to take a look at it and the video and they're the exact same board, mine is rated be 1200 watts at 1 ohm. I think 1400 was a selling point. Ive always heard good things about them. I never knew anybody that would really put a lot of money into the newer product without a long reputation and back in the day we put out a lot of money for good systems
+Ehren Krause I'm betting it does 1400w with 14.4Vdc input. My setup drops voltage as most cars would, I cannot keep voltage at 14.4
Hey I just bought a mmats crome finish d50 HC amp. Have you ever dyno one. If not love to send it to you to test and send back. I'd pay for shipping to you and back. It's supposed to to 1747 watts
How’s that 50A fuse go again D? 😂🤣😂
😝👍
I got a old school amplifier well 2 of them i got a brand most people haven't heard of called a 1,600 watt MA audio amplifier and a hear of one MTX American legacy amplifier!
Id love to send them in to ya, both 1,600 watt max peak i havent seen rms.
do you have a website with old school amps/subs for sale?
+kr33p1n not at this time. My buddy Brad has a lot of stuff on eBay for sale. Legends of Car Audio
BigDWiz thank you....I'm looking for team rf subs if you know where I could find them?
How do you spell that plug name? Was it "lecko" or "let go"? I wanted to Google then
Weco
Dwiz,
Can you dyno the mmats lm2100 and lm2050? If you can’t and need one lmk
YBD, I hope the amp draw is coming in a later vid. It does say "ultra efficient".
It also says high current. Bit of a marketing pickle we find ourselves in.
They're comp amps. They like burps. Long low hertz.
did i see a tube amp in the magazine?! :O
+Frietpan yessir
ever tested/seen/tried one of those? (do the tubes survive in a car even ? )
Interesting results....
+robert vega would be interesting to try another to see if it has similar results
Would love to see you run some old Xtant amps as I'm curious if they perform to their claims. Im sitting on an old x604 for a future old school setup, gonna run the whole system off of it. Got a pair of old paper cone JBL gt 12's. Just gotta find me some old MBquart or image dynamics components and a nakamichi deck!
Knew a guy that had 10 of these in 90's chevy van.A shitload of batteries ( i think those yellow optima batteries were the big deal then),and 18 Ground zero's 15s(im not sure if they were the high end nuclears tho). He owned his own shop so it was much more possible,then for someone like me to do that. He was in the lower 160s,which was monster ground back then. Pretty sure it was a few years after ulma Gates had quit. I think the record was in the lows 170s at the time. He also swapped out this setup from originally using a US amp vlx400.
+neverwalkalone 😱😱😱
Needs more mains caps.
I miss mine. I had one wired up to 2 rockford t1 d4 in a ported box. Pushed them hard fed it power by a 220a alt and 2 batts and 2ga ofc wire and the Big 3 upgrade. Gave clean power and i only paid 120 from a pawn shop. Sold for 250 2 years after.mine WAS HC
+pospc2 strong fo sho
love mmats use to have a 2000.05
0.5 ohm amp did 2k watts I have video of it on my channel can't wait for the next video maybe see sum digital designs amps tested
Man everytime I see you post a comment I can't help myself...dun dun dun, da dun dun, dun dun dun, da dun, Ice Ice Baby....Sorry, just the way my mind works. Yeah, gonna mix it up a bit with some upcoming tests.
BigDWiz hahaha got a love that song its a classic
i got some 15 inch mmats and a mmats 3000.1 for sell... they sound awesome
Can someone plz help me I need any info on this amp please mmats mpa-2300
the first thing i was thinking was regulated ps but who knows looks really nice
Wizz wat kind of camera are u using for this video? Good looking vids bro. Thanks. Earthquake ph d2 shredder or d3 the rock amp should be soooon
+jesse Chavez I'm using a Panasonic G7 with 42.5mm f1.7 lens.
Big d wiz ....been trying to get answers on an old school Lanzar opti 6200, what's your take on them and I have access to 2 new in box as well as opti 4150 new in box . They worth buying @ $350 each for sq 3 way?Thanks , love your videos
The difference between the new amps They use cheaper part and the old are real true power!!!
Vello Wilson ......bout sums it up.....
Vello Wilson my old belva front amp has a much better looking powersupply side than my ppi 2150 belva China 2 toroids 4 105c caps vs 1 toroid and 1 85c cap much better output section on the ppi amp though but my lanzar optidrive 500x2 korean board... kills both of them for a front stage for a fraction of the price
I just think us old guys are thick and think new and cheap equals old pyramid and legacy bullshit when orion ppi and fosgate were killing it its sad but reverse engineering has happened my powerbass 1200.2 has way better parts than my old ppi am2300, 10 filtering caps 2 big toroids 4 5600 caps and 20 output transistors for less 200 bucks it's just better no dought best advice to a new guy to car audio you tube and Google the amp guts because the truth is in the guts
Me I like a sound quality amp does rated power, and some!! Has real power as well!
any test on a mtx audio ta81001 amp
+Curtis Williams not yet, only about 5000 more to go 😝
BigDWiz OK lmk sir
Try the mmatz in the book that said .67 ohms
What about tru technology dyno test
One day!!
we pronounced it in Canada M MATTS
big dwiz I love your channel but I'm just saying that belva amp did over 1900 dynamicly for 150 bucks thats pretty good, too bad it wasn't rated at 1k then people would love them. I've upgraded to 2 twistedsounds 2.8ks that do well over 3700 rms certified (4100 dynamicly) but they were 1000 bucks Canadian but my old ppi 2150 was 2100 bucks in '92 and my old orion 2200sx was even more, it's just crazy how the technology has changed, but I still swear my brothers old ppi am2050 is one of the cleanest loudest 100 watt amps I've ever heard old skool ftw #IMOUTAHERE
I just get ticked off when manufacturers "cheat" on the ratings. Just tell us what we are getting. Yes, the Belva is a great value for the watts per dollar. Only issue is there has to be some sacrifice on the cheap amps. They are still making money selling that Belva for 150 including the cost for shipping. Doesn't leave a lot for the cost of the components and assembly...
BigDWiz I agree, I just think it's crazy how much the tech. has changed, man when I was 18 all I wanted was an astro van with that big USAMPS power don't make fun of my purple amp, keep up the good work, and I'm sure old fellas like you and me will describe ppi orion fosgate 100watts is equal to pioneer 1000watts remember the car stereo review mag. when they tried to get a distortion rating on a ppi 2075 over 1%, went all the way up to a 100amp fuse, gave up and said it's the new bench mark
I just got a newer us amps 2k. going to dyno it after I get a 14.4v nominal lithium bank built. should get good numbers out off amps charging at 16.
i want to see hifonics colossus vi on the dyno
+Eloy Aguirre me too...it's coming 🤓👍
Yo bigD can u do the American Bass Ph4000md its a very cheap amp its 300$
Yeah, cheap for you if I buy it, lol. I don't even make 300/mo off of all my videos on YT :-(
Hey brother nice videos .i have a dhc 1400.1d do u know if its a 1ohm stable
Juggernauts subs slam!!
everything u said at the end was absolutely true
WhatchutalkingboutMiller?
Sorry, About comparing power from then to now. I'm old school all the way sir. Still running same sound stream Rubicon from 98.....
Ya, i miss the old crunch days, lanzar,when pyle wasn't complete shit, as if :P, cerwin vega,mtx road thunders,alpine made an amp,blaupunkt was a thing. Rockford was king of the hill,orion getting good,1000 watt subs was like woah....good times.
Those amps were built for competition so they didn't care about the distortion. They even came with only a guarantee to work out of the box iirc, no real warranty
Ya I think there was something wrong with that amp. CA&E tested it in Dec 1998 and got about your numbers @ 1% THD/ @ 12.5 volts. I have a D200HC and D500.1 in storage and can attest that tho small compared to some of today's maps with the right subs they definitely bump.
i use to own one of these amps years ago... sold it to some shady guy and never saw it again... :(
hi there bigdwiz no more pro amp testing?
+shomoser12 yes, more to come
But the new amps does perform like orion 2100, 2250, 2150!! ppi 1200.2 art series amp or 600 ppi!!! Rockford power series amps!!!
hay I have a question the rockville amp I'm getting mix reviews on it their are two other videos I look at and they said they have over heating problems with the amp I wanted to get your opinion is it a good amp I'm looking at the 6k one
I didn't keep mine long enough to do extensive testing. There is a lot of info on the Facebook groups about these amps, may want to ask on one of them. Sorry I could not be more helpful
100hc was .67...
wonder what it will do at .5 ohms
What the replacement transistor for this amp
P80n06 on power inputs ... U need close up board pics?
owned this one too....Damn thieves wanted it more than I did......Punks! lol
Sorry suckas!
Tengo un dhc 1400.5 conocerás la potencia que da a 1ohm este modelo
I have this amp on an old school RE XXX. pure sex to the ears
Your one cool guy big D. Greg fall city wa
+Greg Nash I'm only as cool as the awesome people who watch and comment 👌😎🤙
Would a silver edition bnib be worth 250?
+J Stevens sounds like a good deal to me
bnib = relic
Looking to sell?
they had a D100 D200 and a D300 all the same power just different ohms load I I had four of the D100hc but mine was white on 4 kove 12s
Yessir, I had a couple of D200's previously as well. I think I even did a video of one. Yep, see it here ua-cam.com/video/XJeUwcKtWOc/v-deo.html
I just bought one of these but it's so clean I'm afraid to put it in a car
I understand that
El 1400.5 cuanto dara a 1ohm ??
M-mats
Rob Retaliation this is what I always said
I know this was a while ago but that's what I always called it too
im using same one but its a 1400.5
I bet that joker can tax some electrical! This one pulled upwards of 180A at 1 ohm
BigDWiz I have the dhc1400.1
@@careyduggan1228 does it do 1ohm stable
its just called mats.the other m is silent.
Thanks man, it was more of a joke than anything. I'm sure I wasn't the only one wondering
Maaaan I had a D300HC...I loved it. Very powerful, super efficient, small footprint, awesome amp
Something is wrong with that amp . I ran these many of them and regularly would see 2k before the stage 1/2/3 mods .
How was the 2k measured? If it was via clamp using speakers, you could see 2k plus, but this is VA not watts
I got 1192 wired in my garage floor on 210 essay 15s at 1 ohm on One battery just to test it out and see what it would sound like and my vote is dropped till like 11.4 so I shut it off and hung it up in my vehicle I don't know what box rides was or the actual Anson bolts I clamped I just remember 1192