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Age of Empires 4 - The BEST Lategame Unit
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2021
- AoE4 releases on October 28, 2021 and is available Day 1 on Xbox Game Pass.
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That monk was carrying the olympic flame, what a boss.
Cultural appropriation
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That poor scout working his way trough the wood walls for like 10 minutes (literally hundreds of years on their perspective I guess lol) only to come face to face with stone walls lmao.
If nakamura walled the south side he whould get much more time to react. Also he needed more production buildings, whenhe was pushing he was at 170 pop and floating a lot of res
i also can see simple mistakes after the entire game has played out and im spectating it
Hey drongo throw a high pass filter on your vocals to filter out
and probably a notch at 500hz, you can probably HPF @100hz, anything below that on vox isnt really useful.
It didn't look to me like the grenadiers are what swung the fight, it was the crossbowmen. The grenadiers weren't doing much damage to the elephants, but the crossbowmen were shredding them. The elephants were what was supporting the push and when they were all killed, Nakamura's army had no beefiness left. Once the elephants were dealt with the grenadiers did well against the rest of the units and buildings though, so I would say in concert they were a deadly duo.
Crossbow are OP.
The grenades shredded the horsemen who are anti ranged
Regarding the Chinese VA. As someone who knows mandarin, I'm pretty sure what's going on here is that the units are speaking varieties of Middle Chinese. Chinese units don't really sound "right" until about the Ming Dynasty, where modern mandarin variants really took hold. However most players don't get to the Ming Dynasty until pretty late in the game. So for most of the game you'd be hearing some honestly fairly decently reconstructed middle chinese varieties. and like hearing old and middle english from the english faction, they sound pretty weird to modern ears.
That said, the Chinese VA is definitely a bit too uptight, the actor is probably paying too much attention on getting the middle chinese pronunciation right at the expense of naturalness.
Wait, the voice lines change as the game progresses? does the same happen with other civs like the english?
@@manuelsalazar5257 Yep, they did that for all civs afaik.
@@manuelsalazar5257 yes, the french are speaking latin at the first age for instance.
@@manuelsalazar5257 Yes, I'm not sure if it does for every faction, but the English was what they originally announced the voice line change for. The Chinese was a pleasant surprise.
Hi, the ancient Chinese is actually quite fantastic, if a bit stiff as you say. I’m not sure why he thinks it’s bad.
I love how in the intro youre almost whispering like we're witnessing a wild life safari
THIS is my favorited game you have casted yet! Both players reached the late game of two of the most scary late game civs with Chinese having no market! Awesome!
The guy that lost had so many resources and it's like he just gave up after they counter pushed
9:42 I'm persian and I'am so happy because l was never thinked a English content creator can speak my language and it's so nice
@GGl don't think so because most of the Iranian's make farsi content
Don’t even have this game (no pc) but I still really enjoy watching - the commentary is great.
Rus voice-actors are also brilliant. Apparently, they hired the best Russian voice-actors they could get and it makes me lose my shit sometimes when they speak))
rus and russian?
nope, sov and soviet
derp
@@borgri5871 the faction is called Rus, a group of norse people that settled and gave the name to russia and belarus a thousand years ago
@@siegfriedgottz698 i know, im not stupid, just having fun
and nah, they are eastern slavs that were ruled over by varangians, aka orthodox-converted vikings
The grenadiers are great against grouped units. The elephants would have done well against them if not for the crossbows
Anyone discovered a villager can build new wall from ontop; slowly edging the wall forwards at the enemy, whilst safe from melee... With lots of archer (longbow good for this) support. I did it on a skirmish vs ai, it go real confused.
I started with playing chinese, and grenadiers are the one unit I haven't played around with yet. Jesus christ, from their cheap cost I'd not have imagined they are such powerhouses.
Not sure if an investment of 7200 recources to even make them can be considered "cheap".
It'll be the AOE on the grenades that makes Grenade spam broken
Can you put grenadiers on walls for the extra range (and protection). ACCM put his *behind* the gates to defend, which seemed an odd choice.
A lot of players still seem to do that.
Muscle memory from AOE2 I guess.
You speak Farsi and Mandarin? How why?! Thats rad! Subbing now.
We demand to know Drongo!
A billion people speak Mandarin. I speak Icelandic.
@@Mp57navy เจง+ เเวยยยยยย
I speak punjabi
You can tell this by playing the campaign. They throw the grenades over the walls and kill anything on the other side. Including any workers repairing gates or walls. They are nasty
4800 food and 2400 gold just for the privilege of building these bad boys. They better be a win-con.
nope they def need a nerf lol
2400 food and 1200 gold will be spent anyway.
So it's more like 2400 and 1200 respectively :)
@@zmeja5309 Not if you're in age 3...
I think the Delhi Sultanate units should be speaking a Turkic/Urdu language. Farsi was the official language and spoken by the nobility, but the majority of them were of Turkic descent, and would've spoke such a language if I'm not wrong.
As a Turkish guy I think so. Actually Selçuklu, ottoman etc it is mixed with farsi and Turkic when they are talking and yes nobility much more actively talking farsi-arabic-turkic based. You know multi-cultural empires like this sometimes
@@huseyin8751
Side note here, but I've been thinking: How are the Turks going to work in the game, when they finally add you guys in? Maybe the playstyle would be like a cross between the Mongols with something more stationary?
@@jamesgordley5000 to me they added Delhi as represents Turks. In history first time Turkic slave generals of Muhammad Ghori conquered there and ruled long time and in years is transfered to Indo-muslim nobility etc. Btw again in the history those years actually turks much more like mongols. They are nomad and warrior. No castles no walls after the years much more Abbasid and Delhi style.
@@huseyin8751
There's Delhi for now, but they're definitely going to add the main Turkish faction (representing Selcuks & Ottomans) in soon enough. It would be fun if they combined the best of both worlds, and maybe made them nomadic in the early game and become more like the Abbasids/Delhi in ages 3 and 4.
@@jamesgordley5000 pretty good news :) actually I am interested to see what can they do and your idea is also awesome
I like that you explain mechanics and why people do certain things, since these things are overlooked by so many other content creators that just assume people know already.
(New to the game)
That fight at 27 minutes with the crossbowmen clicked onto the farm was rough.
Farsi was the language of the court in Delhi. It was never the language of the masses. The masses spoke an early version of the Hindi language (Braj bhasha) with some loan words from Farsi etc (this mixture eventually lead to the Hindustani language).
Age of empires has always been pretty poor at representing Indian civilization, why should Age 4 be any different I guess.
Edit: Also, the persian community still living in India that you referred to are Parsis, were Zoroastrians who fled Iran after the Muslim conquest (between 8th and 10th century). They were settled mostly around Gujarat. Parsis have absolutely nothing to do with the use of Farsi as a language in Delhi. The Delhi Sultanate was established by Turkish warriors, who then adopted Farsi as their official language.
maybe there will be another indian civ in the future and for delhi they wanted to lean more into what made delhi unique?
@@MrEpic325 Even lower estimates put number of languages spoken in India at 20, with thousands of "dialects" (many of which are distinct enough to deserve being called language on their own right).
If you want a diversity of language options, you are really spoilt for choice here.
Considering the size of the Delhi sultanate, I doubt that a single language would be fully representative (considering how many languages there are in India today, and this was before the standardisation of modernity), so picking the language of the ruling dynasty is a pragmatic choice.
@@sriramsakura Did you miss the part where I said "an early version of the Hindi language" and mentioned Braj Bhasha by name?
>Pretty much last 1000 years of north India Persian language and culture ruled the roost
And that is exactly why nobody in north india can understand any Persian at all. 😂
@@sriramsakura But the grandparents and their grandparents also don't speak any Persian.
Even the British Linguistic Survey conducted in 1928 doesn't mention any speakers of Persian. How does a language that has "ruled the roost" for 1000 years simply disappear in less than 100?
I seriously cannot get enough of your voice lol. Is that weird to say? Yeah that's probably weird to say... But hey, having a great voice (Australian accent is a plus!) is great for casting like this!
That's so cool, how did you learn Farsi?! ☺️ Hello from an Iranian expat. Rock on, love your videos.
Aussie Drongo the kinda guy to call everything broken 😂
I have the same feeling when they are shouting in farsi.
It s great that somone mention that too
(خیلی خوبه که یه نفر دیگه ام همچین حسی داره :) )
Are dadash. Not sure why they changed the name of the civ to deli..probably just a marketing move. The Persian empire ran riots during those eras
Learning that Aussie Drongo speaks Farsi really was a pleasant surprises.
Actually the soldiers don't say "Chikar mikoni = what are you doing" but rather "mikonim = I will do it!" which makes total sense. I was playing as Delhi sultanate last night and I really enjoyed the voice acting. -native dari speaker
Your commentary is amazing, one of the best on youtube, especially for this game.
Wait wait wait.
Drongo, you speak Farsi?!
wow lmao, that's amazing. What's the story for that?
maybe building a wonder when less then full pop is a bad unit
Well, the unsung heroes were the crossbowmen tanking and focusing the big things for the grenadiers. The grenadiers are pretty strong, definitely not undefeatable if nothing tanks for them ( watch at 30:50 how they got absolutely massacred, while earlier when the crossbows switched to the front to defend them, the fight was won ) . Do not nerf this unit; It is already too expensive to get because you have to go through every single dynasty.
Crossbows sweap the floor with them
At 33:22 you couldn’t see how many traders Nakamura had because you were on ACCM’s point of view at the moment.
I'm from Iran and speak persian , yes I do this is really funny 😂❤
nobody gonna talk at how he just said that chinese unit, mans multi cultural out here
Wow Drongo how many languages do you know? I remember one video you counted in chinese/mandarin, spanish, something else and then french lol
Blue had 130 supply of workers in the late game, 50+ of them idle and at 200/200 supply cap producing trash military units. I don't think we're comparing apples with apples in this game...
Blue was Delhi and yet he had almost no upgrades lmao they fucking have free upgrades xD How is that not obvious to just spam clic free stuff that gives you more life/dmg
Red was the one with 130 vills, 50 of which were idle after exhausting all his gold and stone mines. blue was underpopped on vills but averaged with only 3-4 idle until his base was getting destroyed.
Red was the one with idles, not blue
@@Drakefance5 @30:45 he's saying blue is the one with idles no?
@@mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytf Top right corner tells you who he's spectating, so all the UI elements are from that players perspective.
Ok so I've been seeing a lot of videos of games from top level players. People higher rates than me at least. It's frustrating to see so many of them not utilize the cost reduction mechanics that some civilizations have. French with Keeps for their Stables/Archery Ranges, Rus with High Amory and Siege Workshops, and especially Chinese with the Spirit Way landmark and Dynasty units. So the tooltip is slightly misleading as it seems to indicate that it only works on previous Dynasties. It actually works with all 3 unique Dynasty units, including the Grenadiers! A -30% cost to any such Dynasty unit is honestly incredibly strong. I want to see more players utilizing this mechanic! While only a finite amount of structures may benefit from the influence radius of the Spirit Way, I think it's absolutely worth incorporating in one's base layout. Fire Lancers are certainly a nice option, but yeah, Grenadiers are kind of nutty, especially for -30% off!
Can confirm: Have 1v2'd many an army with pure grenadier spam.
As long as your opponent doesn't have mangonels/bees your golden
The fact that the market can spawn clearly biased towards one side honestly is a bit silly to me, because it's a clear and distinct advantage, it's way easier for Blue to wall it off and take it for their own, and not much that Red can really do to stop that.
Dude really won with 41 idles
I'm fine with nerfing Grenadiers, as long as you make the second landmark built from each age cost 50% less.
Please no, chinese are perfect the way they are.
So many people underestimate onagers... all he needed was a frontline of maybe lancers, onagers and cannons/trebs for the forts, maybe keep some elephants to soak extra damage and that's it. He'd have completely overrun him that way.
Lategame is won and lost by how effectively you can deal with blobs a little similar to how falconets are a key part in winning engagements lategame in Aoe3 cause they put a real dent in a tighly packed formation.
Edit: also noticed he had 40+ idles for several minutes
Nope. If they start making siege you just use palace guards to delete them.
I have the same with the French! some of their voicelines are absolutely hilarious (in old French with a heavy peasant accent), and I find myself yelling stupid shit in front of my game, it's not just you man!
Great commentating! got yourself a sub.
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You have to pre-hydrate. Look into liquid-IV. It does wonders for my water intake. Great to avoid hangovers too.
Grenadiers need friendly-fire and self-inflicted splash damage as a sensible & realistic nerf imo.
u know they need alot resource to access right =.=?
Just enable friendly fire on all aoe units
I don't understand why he never built a single mangonel. He spent all game fighting, and eventually getting thrashed by, infantry blobs funneled through tight corridors.
Bombards counters mangonels at 12 range. The only counter is to beat them before they can reach double imperial age.
He had one mangonel at the end there. it got one shot off and then taken down in a second
Happy Diwali drongo and everyone in the comment section 😊
honestly with the range of the grenaders i think the archers and mangonel combo would shred since better range and with micro with the archer. you have to take out the siege first and the archers should shred them i would think since they are light armor classed. horses maybe not alot but enough to pressure melee combat
Grenadiers kinda remind me on british engineers with PIATs in Company of Heroes. Same mechanic and microplay needed to make them effective.
Watching this game makes me seriously consider playing chinese. I was thinking huns and english primarily but the gunpowder units are awesome to watch.
great video keep up!
they speak arabic though abbasi
love the content
The only counter I’ve found to grenadiers IS mangonels but when they go into a stagger formation, they’re pretty much unbeatable unless you make an insanely uneven trade
I feel like grenadiers can't possibly trade cost effectively with basic archers in stagger formation, can they? I've never actually used or come up against anyone using grenadiers, so this is purely a gut feeling for me... but given the huge resource investment required to unlock and then mass up an army of grenadiers, surely it's easier and more resource efficient to just spam trash bows? That said, I suppose chinese player could easily counter that with a few Nests of Bees thrown in to the mix, but Rus & Mongols could counter that play with long range springald upgrades...
@@JimRFF Bombards with 12 range, 50% extra hp and 50% extra attack speed are cost efficient even against long range springalds. Bombards 1 shots springalds and shoots faster, while the springalds needs 12 shots against high hp bombards.
@@Johan-hm5uc oof, so much for "counter siege unit" haha... I guess the real answer here is "rush the chinese player down before they get imperial dynasty at all"... but trash spear/archer spam should still trade well into clocktower bombards, it would just be the artillery combo of clocktower nests of bees + bombards that would really be the killer... maybe English mass longbows with knight support to try to snipe out nests of bees, or horse archers for Rus/Mongols (I have no idea what Abbasid camel archers cost, but they could possibly do the same job if they're more cost effective than basic archers)?
Nope. If you make your army with grenaders, hand cannon and palace guard there isnt really a counter. Guards are super fast and take care of magonels and archers. Another cool thing about them is that once they start fighting they can increase their attack range at the cost of 2 damage.
@@JimRFF Ive found nest of bees to be strong early and to be weak in the lategame.
22:11 pained me to not see Red put the ranged units on the wall lol
am i the only one who loves the way drongo says water
i think he didn't want to waste stone to build a wall for it to be taken down by 2 volley of china arty. but yea he could prevent back stabbing if he made one.
The hisar academy would in theory cull the need for villagers. (Idk the rate at which it generates)
Opening up 10 - 20 pop cap cause you need less farming vills is 3 - 9 extra elephants, siege engines or 20 knights =D
haha yes! i love grens so much, oh man. they are a huuuge resource investment to get to though, so they better be good lol. it was sad to not see ACCM put his grens up on the Great Wall though, along with the hp bonus to awalls, it boosts dmg to units on walls near it, so boosted range and dmg grens are pretty amazing. late game chinese comp is grens, nests handcannons and bombards lol, explosions for days.
Happy Diwali to my Indians! 🎆🎇🧨✨
I've not gotten a chance to try any Ming stuff because of the enormous cost, cool it to see it in action
Am I the only one that tries to move to different areas of the map with my mouse accidently while watching these kinds of videos?
With those walls, Fatslob would be proud
If you allow your enemy reach to the last dynasties to unlock grenadier , you are not doing good enough .
I like how they have little grenade belts like Chewbacca
wish they would introduce persians as their own separate civ
You said that they speak Farsi, but in which age do they speak this? Or do they keep the language?
I heard that many factions change their language over time, what I really like.
For example the HRE goes from a germanic language over to nearly modern high german.
And in case of Rus, they said that they start with a germanic language and slowly shift towards russian.
Sadly there isn't really much time to pay attention towards this, so I can't say its true except for the HRE (because I'm german).
ACCM having 50 villagers just standing around for half of the game kinda hurts lol
I mean he could just have a ton of farms and woodcutters, collect the tax from those buildings and sell off the excess to have a healthy economy.
I’m telling ya China isn’t the fastest to age up but China has incredible late game units and a super good economy with the strongest defensive walls in game
The only issue is gold in the lategame.
Agreed, Firelancers also insanely good with 45 torch damage fully upgraded!
@@mariuspretorius7913 cuz you have to Invest super heavy in trade routes. You need to have so much gold that you can pay max price for stuff and not worry. I also use a TON of food and make sure I have room for a maxed out grainary with and official boosting THAT and you double dip on boosts with that thing and it makes hella food
Everything is broken, once the ribaldequins start firing.
ACCM is just a beast mate.
Hey Drongo why did you learn Farsi? Just curious!
I wonder if Longbow units would be a good call against the grenadiers. Just from a sheer range standpoint.
why was ACCM putting a...house I am guessing right behind his walls?
No offence, but seeing ACCM suicide his precious bombards in middle of the game is quite heartbreaking
Hey Aussie drongo, if you speak Farsi does that mean you have some Iranian background?
The for grenadiers is bombars, lots of them.
Many people stack musket, crossbows, grenadir and so on. Costy units that can take out anything trying to close up. However onagers owns them, just make sure to have a meat shield
Palace guards get rid of mango easily
Yeah make a good number tho as a few will explode to bombards 7ish should keep em back
@@mariuspretorius7913 not if you stacked crossbows or musketmen around them.
Maybe it works in noob games where the player dont defend sige with spearmen or mass range.
I have to say, horses on this game feel so lackluster. Even in civilizations focused on them. 29:59 you can see a huge horsemen change and they do absolutely nothing, even as the chinese player didn't have any lancer for himself.
It's because Chinese grenadeors are busted
Wow you speak farsi very well
Greating from Iran💜😃
How many languages do you speak?! btw, great cast!
if you are able to make like 20 bombard with chinese you win against everything, they oneshoot anythong and they reload time is insane also more range and more life...unstoppable
how does clocktower nest of bees stack up to grenadier?
22:00 a wasted occasion to finally see the greathouse +50% damage bonus in action, if only ACCM set up his grenadiers on top of the wall :( I swear I never got into a position where I could use this bonus
What a fun game to watch ^^
Damn it Drongo, how many more languages do you speak?
Damn, that Mongol TC....
Build that wall!
What if, you lose the game if you lose your wonder
I was promised strelzy but there is no strelzy.
Grenadiers were op, how can they be surrounded by horsemen and spears and still not lose half their numbers....
Yes Grenadiers are very strong but the requirement to get them is ridiculously hard to balance out. I think it was more because the Delhi player did not do enough early game aggression that cost him this game. You are not supposed to let China snowball.
Yep, that was the mistake. Chinese have the best late game afaik so you you must pressure them into defending earlier because it's almost auto win with Chinese gunpowder.
Came for the aoe4 game. Stayed for the language lesson. You some kind of ployglot Drongo?
would archers in staggered formation work?
Drongo - How can you speak Farsi? its not a common language in Australia! Really impressed...
Grenadiers seemed surprisingly tanky
You know you can counter them with cheaper crossbow+spearmen combination?
Delhi needed a seige elephant from aoe3
i prefere elephants, with monks they are unbeaten
getting 100 grenadiers then 3 mongonels destroy them in 3 sec