Coogan is a good guy. He's a celeb, he's Partridge, he's well known and he's wealthy. But he is a good guy who speaks his mind and thankfully that tends to be sensical and fair.
@@MegaHariboboy One of the reasons all this started was because they were reporting on him in brothels, strip clubs etc, he only wants this so he can carry on with his degeneracy.
@@jonskinner5664 why should people not have a right to privacy just because they are in the public eye? Princess Diana was hounded by paps and shitty press for years. The journos did not care for her mental health or that of her children and look what happened..
it's come to something when we rely on comedians to express views we can engage with, Steve Coogan, Ricky Jervais and even Russell Brand have more to say about the modern condition than our politicians
Can paxman stop being a broken record for once? How many times did he have to accuse Coogan of not wanting a free press when he repeatedly said thats not what he wanted he just wanted proper regulation in terms of illegal or intrusive activity
Ian Hislop eloquently and succinctly outlines the dangers of press regulation in the first video result if you search for him on here. Coogan's defence of the McCanns and Dowlers is moot because phone hacking IS already illegal. Policing the actions of the press is what's important, not what they publish. Harsher sentences for breaking the law are required; what the press publishes will inherently be acceptable if their actions are moral and legal, so target the latter not the former.
I usually think Paxman is great but Steve Coogan was making some great points that he ignored and came across uncommonly biased into the realm of invasive snooping and the woeful publishing of utter rubbish.
You need to research "free man on the land" and also the consent of the governed. Also research Legalese and the duality of words used in law. When you're asked if you "understand", you're actually being asked to give consent, not if you can comprehend that which is put to you. Understand = stand under. Thus giving them rights over you ie. the consent of the governed. The only Law is Common Law. Don't take my word for it though, research it for yourself.
Behold, two people debating a matter from two different, genuinely held viewpoints, without being nasty to each other or implying that the other is in league with the devil.
Every industry and walk of life is subject to some form of regulation and accountability. I don't understand why anyone argues that the press should be exempt from this universal rule. I think it's ridiculous that the likes of Brookes and Dacre can claim, with a straight face, that they're somehow the defenders of my freedom - when they'd think nothing about ignoring my rights and ruining my life if it served their interests to do so.
The main difference is this: with free market hacking, other orgs can investigate and expose those doing the hacking. In a government hacking situation, there is no one to expose because the government won't expose itself.
1. If that were true there would be no new businesses (clearly not the case) 2. Newspaper circulation is falling year on year (competition from a myriad of different sources such as bloggers and online publications on the internet) 3. People are not forced to buy newspapers (see point 2), competition from other information sources significantly dilutes any such "power" 4. You have not choice but to pay tax. Nor have I ever had a choice on vetoing new taxes with which I do not agree.
Which part of the free press stands up for our freedom? They are, however, free to organise against personal freedom... That's what they should be regulated against.
They need to be more accountable to the people... The objectors try to suggest this would stop media reporting injustices in society, not so... it's hard to imagine that in this modern age of the internet.
I've gotta admire Paxman for allowing both guests to talk (even over each other) without interrupting them every 5 seconds. Bill O'Reilly should be taking notes from Paxman who does his job in a very knowledgeable professional manner.
Exactly the level of debating skills that I expected from someone that thinks that you can't criticise the financial crisis if you buy a cup of coffee.
@Zedzor You don't think it came from "printing press"? Coogan had a legitimate right to voice his views on this subject, and he is a well known comedian so therefore a good choice of guest from the show's perspective. He makes some good points too.
The right to privacy? The right to not have your life infinitesimally cross examined every day in front of millions of people? Or would you like that, I wonder, whenever you make a mistake?
Newspapers should report on topics that are of interest for the public!!! Why don't they report of the ongoing corruption within governments? Why do readers have to be swamped with silly, trivial stories about private affairs of some celebrities instead? This is dumbing down mass manipulation, and I don't buy into it!
I don't buy papers -not a single one- so I am not responsible and they do not do what they do to satisfy me. Whilst what you list doesn't fit the bill as "corruption of the highest order", it is bad. I can think of much worse corruption within the halls of government. I'd prefer to keep the press and government as far away from each other as possible. It's the sane position to hold.
I do believe that people should speak out against tabloid journalism, but I don't know about full on bans or even regulations. Its a tricky one. I think politicians should discourage mass consumption of pop culture and instead an interest in the world.
Needless to say, he had the last laugh
Lovely stuff
She's a dwad and a doser, a didhead and dalentless shid
He was at the height of his Blue Peter fame.
Are they just deaf or deaf offenders?
Needles to say, she took hard drugs
Coogan is a good guy. He's a celeb, he's Partridge, he's well known and he's wealthy. But he is a good guy who speaks his mind and thankfully that tends to be sensical and fair.
He's been a vocal supporter of Labour for years
You honestly think someone who speaks their mind is Tory? All they ever do is speak for money and their own personal gain...
@@MegaHariboboy One of the reasons all this started was because they were reporting on him in brothels, strip clubs etc, he only wants this so he can carry on with his degeneracy.
Totally agree. What’s right is right and Coogan seems to have his head screwed on.
@@jonskinner5664 why should people not have a right to privacy just because they are in the public eye? Princess Diana was hounded by paps and shitty press for years. The journos did not care for her mental health or that of her children and look what happened..
"Notable by it's singularity" what a lovely turn of phrase.
Very simple, very moving
Very inaccurate.
@@danielnewton5867 go on - your dying to tell us how great the Mail is
@@cardigan3000 I won't, but I disagree with Steve on standing up for the Guardian. They're equal scum.
I've accidentally dismantled my Corby trouser press.
will it show up on the bill ok bye
Steve Coogan is a very intelligent man with great integrity, I like him even more after this appearance.
"If the tabloid press can only exist by reporting garbage, then that's not a good enough reason for them to exist!" - absolutely spot on.
Good lad Steve. Every now and again, we get a celeb who's got backbone. Keep it up.
COOGAN IS BANG ON HERE & EXPRESSED HIS VIEWS CONCISELY KUDOS TO STEVE
i totally agree with Steve!!
how much did Murdoch pay mensch for her verdict on the committee.
The red tops supporting the Tories.
She's a Tory
@@alexbowman7582 mirror never did tbf
it's come to something when we rely on comedians to express views we can engage with, Steve Coogan, Ricky Jervais and even Russell Brand have more to say about the modern condition than our politicians
Coogan is spot on, all Mensch is doing is having a go at the Guardian and the Independent
I'm not reading the Metro, I'm not reading the Metro
Its been rebadged you fool
Hahahaha amazing
That is first class
Nicely done
This was a very well reasoned debate on both sides. I have to say I do agree with Steve Coogan on this one.
Coogan always looks like he is about to burst out laughing, even when discussing serious topics lol.
Shouldn't we maybe work on education so that "Who's shagging who" wouldn't be what sells newspapers? Tabloids should be banned...
You probably won’t see this - but great idea.
@@rudymatheson1415 I saw it and that's all that matters
Can paxman stop being a broken record for once? How many times did he have to accuse Coogan of not wanting a free press when he repeatedly said thats not what he wanted he just wanted proper regulation in terms of illegal or intrusive activity
Dloes Louise Mensch really thing people are more likely to buy the Guardian if there's a story about her in it?
I'm with Coogan.
He’s so right , if they need to print bullshit to sell to exist then they shouldn’t exist
Facist
Paxman sometimes goes a bit hard on the goodies.
We don't need newspapers any more.
I just can't stop thinking Partridge :(
Should have brought Sidekick Simon on, get a few zingers in on Louise Mensch.
Very good Mr Paxman for letting the debate go it coarse.
Almost felt like Partridge was in the room when he said ''who's shagging who''
Holy hell, whatever Paxman gets paid is too much.
Stop getting Bond wrong!!
Bill oddie never leaves a message and doesn't have voicemail. he's never had to worry about hacking.
Ian Hislop eloquently and succinctly outlines the dangers of press regulation in the first video result if you search for him on here.
Coogan's defence of the McCanns and Dowlers is moot because phone hacking IS already illegal. Policing the actions of the press is what's important, not what they publish. Harsher sentences for breaking the law are required; what the press publishes will inherently be acceptable if their actions are moral and legal, so target the latter not the former.
“I’m not driving a mini metro!”
Good on you Steve. Funny and principled; a rare combination.
is it ???
Equidistant between chit chat and analysis
Why do people read tabloids?
Big tits
Right on Steve. Keep the faith.
Well said Mr Coogan.
Needless to say , Coogan had the last laugh.
…and on that bombshell
Self-regulation of any sector of society will always be suspect.
Coogan knocks it out of the park once again!
Why is Alan Partridge talking funny
I completely missed that. Thanks for pointing it out. Brilliant.
Coogan the smartest gut in the room...
I usually think Paxman is great but Steve Coogan was making some great points that he ignored and came across uncommonly biased into the realm of invasive snooping and the woeful publishing of utter rubbish.
You need to research "free man on the land" and also the consent of the governed. Also research Legalese and the duality of words used in law.
When you're asked if you "understand", you're actually being asked to give consent, not if you can comprehend that which is put to you.
Understand = stand under. Thus giving them rights over you ie. the consent of the governed. The only Law is Common Law.
Don't take my word for it though, research it for yourself.
When she says "my facelift" and so admits it.
Ha I heard that
pigknickers It doesnt matter.
So what? Is it of anyone else's concern?
Well done Mr Coogan, get rid of the crap out of the papers then we will all be able to call then NEWSpapers again.
Nice one Mr Coogan :)
Behold, two people debating a matter from two different, genuinely held viewpoints, without being nasty to each other or implying that the other is in league with the devil.
A truly superb critique of the awful Daily Heil, well said Steve.....why on earth do people buy this shit-sheet?
"did he bring the aerial down with him?"
Every industry and walk of life is subject to some form of regulation and accountability. I don't understand why anyone argues that the press should be exempt from this universal rule. I think it's ridiculous that the likes of Brookes and Dacre can claim, with a straight face, that they're somehow the defenders of my freedom - when they'd think nothing about ignoring my rights and ruining my life if it served their interests to do so.
Yes! It's an extender.
This is great banter. It really is.
That would be Louise Mensch, who cares so much about politics that she bottled it and quit.
Thomas King She does now. She moved there after the going got tough.
2011 now 2020 and it continues RIP caroline flack
The expression “gutter press” didn’t come about by accident. It perfectly describes the NOTW etc.
As much as I find Coogan to be Alan Partridge without the wit, I agree with him on this one
Louise Mensch feeds beefburgers to swans.
Nice one Steve - a win for you.
Steve Coogan= in the right
Coogan is spot on about the mail. It's toilet paper.
WHO INVENTED THE SKIP?
The main difference is this: with free market hacking, other orgs can investigate and expose those doing the hacking. In a government hacking situation, there is no one to expose because the government won't expose itself.
1. If that were true there would be no new businesses (clearly not the case)
2. Newspaper circulation is falling year on year (competition from a myriad of different sources such as bloggers and online publications on the internet)
3. People are not forced to buy newspapers (see point 2), competition from other information sources significantly dilutes any such "power"
4. You have not choice but to pay tax. Nor have I ever had a choice on vetoing new taxes with which I do not agree.
Which part of the free press stands up for our freedom? They are, however, free to organise against personal freedom... That's what they should be regulated against.
Well in Stevie.
Steve coogan declared it wasn’t about money he would give any compensation he was awarded due to the phone hacking to a charity, did he?
It's a NEWSPAPER, not a gossip column.
If the truth is not also sensational then it will be ignored to the incredible detriment of enlightened self-interest.
Oooooo it’s a bad paper
First award is for best CHRIST! Sorry, not Christ..
Well Debated Mr Coogan, Bro T Campbell would have been proud of You!
Is There a law giving people a right to a private life?
Which law is that?
so, you didnt listen to the debate then, where he said that was the case and explained why?
They need to be more accountable to the people... The objectors try to suggest this would stop media reporting injustices in society, not so... it's hard to imagine that in this modern age of the internet.
As MP some of her points were good and some were not, but the excellence of those cheekbones remained consistent. Still find them impressive today.
I've gotta admire Paxman for allowing both guests to talk (even over each other) without interrupting them every 5 seconds. Bill O'Reilly should be taking notes from Paxman who does his job in a very knowledgeable professional manner.
Steve Coogan-national treasure
OK she's Tory and talks crap, but she's way sexier than Courtney Love.
youandwhosearmy? Her vile personality ruins it though.
***** yeah, you are right.
Think her personality is bad? Should see her "poetry"
Immediately I thought of Alan Partridge vs the Farmer. "You feed beefburgers to swans"
Crash. Bang. Wallop. What a debate.
Exactly the level of debating skills that I expected from someone that thinks that you can't criticise the financial crisis if you buy a cup of coffee.
@Zedzor
You don't think it came from "printing press"?
Coogan had a legitimate right to voice his views on this subject, and he is a well known comedian so therefore a good choice of guest from the show's perspective. He makes some good points too.
Coogan is brilliant.
The right to privacy? The right to not have your life infinitesimally cross examined every day in front of millions of people?
Or would you like that, I wonder, whenever you make a mistake?
Newspapers should report on topics that are of interest for the public!!! Why don't they report of the ongoing corruption within governments? Why do readers have to be swamped with silly, trivial stories about private affairs of some celebrities instead? This is dumbing down mass manipulation, and I don't buy into it!
"Back of the net!"
Quite right, but for how much longer?
I always liked Steve Coogan
I don't buy papers -not a single one- so I am not responsible and they do not do what they do to satisfy me.
Whilst what you list doesn't fit the bill as "corruption of the highest order", it is bad. I can think of much worse corruption within the halls of government.
I'd prefer to keep the press and government as far away from each other as possible. It's the sane position to hold.
Same reason you buy it - so they know how awful it is.
I mean, you do buy it, right? Otherwise how would you know how awful it is?
Thank god Ubermensch left politics: one scary, self-serving woman!
Why anyone wouldn't is so baffling.
media needs to be unregulated, the unpleasant side affects are are unfortunate, but unavoidable. free press is vital.
I do believe that people should speak out against tabloid journalism, but I don't know about full on bans or even regulations. Its a tricky one. I think politicians should discourage mass consumption of pop culture and instead an interest in the world.
If a business is no longer viable it should be allowed to fail
"why is the guardian writing about my facelift?"
cat's out of the bag.
I'm glad you can see the funny side. That's a sign of healing.
It’s not a free press if it’s only the things you like
Which one is Steve Coogan?
Yes but I'd posted it just before he said it.
Sorry about that. I'll change. I promise.
Much as I love him, he does look like Alan at times
funny that, as he has the same face ....
@@paranoid9687 his mannerisms. I know what he means haha spent too long in character
I like drinking coffee in my tent