5 Times Imperial Officers Were Killed By Their Soldiers
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Imperial Officers are known for their arrogance and ruthlessness, today we take a look at 5 imperial units that "fragged" their commanding officer.
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How did you narrow it down to just 5?
Forgot the ultimate Fragging. Order 66
i have two they are sick
This is why it's crucial as a combat leader that your men know you have their back. The moment your men know they are secondary to your ambitions you are doomed.
That's why anakin Skywalker, ahsoka tano and plo koon were great jedi
Brotherhood among Brothers
@@zacglover3345, precisely. Had it not been for those damned inhibitor chips, I have no doubt most of the 501st, 212th, and 104th would've outright disobeyed Order 66. As for everyone else... ehhhh... not so much.
I like to think that’s crucial in any leadership roll.
@@TheMitchyb61 yes but no because why would you follow there orders instead of your own
Forgot the most infamous one of all! Vader tossing the Emperor down a core shaft in the second deathstar. That's gotta count as a frag.
a sith lord isn’t an “Imperial soldier”
Killing your superior officer is either incredibly tragic or incredibly based
Normally both
@@homer6292 I think they mean the oppisite of DEbased! (New buzz word!)
"Do you see now? All this murder and you still aren't based"
@Homer just Based, don't over think about it
@@rincontibio7664 A NESBer that learnt a new buzz word!
Lieutenant Nolan was a moron. Yep, real smart move, antagonizing men who were armed to the teeth and suffering from PTSD from the Clone Wars.
Moral of the story: Never show your true colors to veteran soldiers who trained their entire lives for a corrupt regime
Could clones get PTSD? I thought battle fatigue was something the inhibitors eliminated.
@@J.F.R.1I think it started kicking in when the inhibitor chips started wearing off.
@@J.F.R.1 crosshair had his inhibitor chip removed
@@mokithepepe2454 and it got fried before when a venator wreck's engines started when he was in it
"A bad officer is better off dead, and a good soldier better know's how to kill him."
-Major Sharpe
"And were they all frog officers" Sharpe
"...." Harper
"Of course they weren't" Sharpe 😁
How to threaten your superior without threatening your superior
That's soldiering.
What, you thought you could escape the meme just by coming to a Star Wars video?
Leaving a Sharpe reference on a star wars video? Thats youtubing.
Also Fragging was not always lethal after a while just the act of tossing an inactive grenade into and NCOs barracks got the point across.
in Vietnam NCOs and Commissioned officers (mostly junior Commissioned officers, so, lieutenants or 2nd Lieutenants) where more likely to be killed by their own men then the enemy.
In the RN in the age of sail, a similar effect was achieved by 'shot rolling'.
"Hey next time, try not to kill us for your own ambition or else this'll be a live one" is usually the point.
AHAHAHAHAHA, I love the image! "Hey Lieutenant."
Groggy Lieutenant: ..?
"Think fast. [Tosses a dormant grenade into his lap]"
@@chaosinc.382 Probably something more like:
Groggy Lieutenant: (wakes up from sudden impact feeling) ...?
Also Groggy Lieutenant: (sees grenade) [Incoherent screaming]
"Seeing Nolan dead gave me more relief than a thousand dead droids" - Crosshair
Lannister
Nice GoT reference
I'm surprised it didn't happen more with how incompetent some imperial were.
The soldiers were equally incompetent.
I think the most vocally anti-clone officers are being put in charge of clones is deliberate.
Palpatine wants the clones to rebel against these officers in order to make the clones look more unstable and untrustworthy
@@thecheesedubh8089 some Imperial troops yes but they were some fairly competent ones mostly in the Navy but Army had competent ones as well the Stormtrooper Corps they were just brainwashed
Superiority ego makes you a poor commander.
Confidence in your capabilities over the enemy is not a bad thing to have, but it helps to be humble and consider what the enemy may be able to do
A select few knew this, such as Thrawn. He understood that the rebels were a legitimate threat, and was calculating and cautious
Unfortunately for him, he was one too few, and superiority ego got to his subordinates all too often
The problem here is surviving it. Consider the numbers the Imperials were deployed in. It's very unlikely to survive the killing of a superior officer.
However, considering how many defected to the Rebellion and fought their former comrades I'd say quite a few made a choice between senselessly dying in such an attempt and getting out. Which was hard enough to accomplish as it was.
My platoon wasn't exactly the ideal image of military discipline. We were very relaxed with our NCOs and Lt compared to other units and our leaders committed time to connect with us on a personal level. This lead to us having the utmost respect for our chain of command because we knew they really cared about us. I would follow those guys straight into mg fire without thinking twice.
“And that’s why you’re my favorite Private Meatshield :)”
During my time in Afghanistan as a Marine rifleman team leader and company designated marksman, there were a couple Lieutenant platoon commanders us enlisted in the company discretely talked about and considered appropriate for fragging. Especially after a helicopter raid conducted with limited planning and poor intel led to being tricked into an overwhelming ambush that got our air officer, who was highly experienced and respected highly by the non-coms and enlisted, severely wounded and two rifleman KIA. The raid was led by ambitious Naval Academy football bro, who was most concerned about getting commendations and impressing the higher ups in the battalion command.
And the QRF team(which I was a member of) that responded to the ambush was led by another Academy grad, who while more level headed and concerned for his troops still had a similar ambitious streak to earn commendations and impress the higher ups.
@@buncer Officers who only care about their careers and nothing else are everywhere. If that's all they want to do they should've been politicians and would have fit right in. There is no place for that in a military that is supposed to be an effective fighting force. Although I've never been to combat myself, if you ever need to talk to someone and nobody is available just reach out and I'll try my best.
@@kartoffelschloss6425
Amen hermano. Sadly a lot of politicians see military experience as a stepping off point for getting into politics later on. Such a misuse of a system that’s meant to create an effective fighting force, and instead feeds the ambitions of those seeking power.
@@buncer Gotta love those unnecessary danger close calls for fire in hopes of that sweet sweet bronze star.
I love the fact that Crosshair addressed Nolan before killing him so that he would turn around and know what was about to happen.
Crosshair fragging Lt. Nolan is one of the most satisfying moments in Star Wars in a while for me. Also very cool to see the references to real world history in videos lately
Nolan was a dick
If I was a stormtrooper I disobey his order and help save Mayday instead of listening his order and most of all give him a worst and most disrespectful way by kicking his dead body after Crosshair shoots him
Never piss off a veteran and be mindful of your surroundings are the lessons from Crosshairs episode, looking forward to seeing what he's now been relegated to.
Fragging that asshat of a CO made me actually appreciate Crosshair for once. It’s nice to see him starting to work 🧠 out his situation.
The last episode of the series is called Plan 99. It should reveal task force 99 and what happened to Cross hair.
He is relegated to ”tell us the truth about clone force 99 and you MIGHT survive”.
Can I just say I love how well you transitioned from the Vietnam War discussion into the video topic, it really framed the incidents and made me think of the scenarios that might have made those scenarios happen in real life. Critical analysis of media outside of literature is sorely lacking today, so hearing you discuss Star Wars' origins during the 60s and 70s with relation to the Cold War was refreshing and interesting.
My uncle fought in Vietnam. A day after he shipped home from the states his platoon was ambushed and there were no survivors. So sad.
"The Believer" episode of "The Mandalorian" is definitely one of my favorite episodes of that series. Mayfield's observations of oppressed populations regardless of who's oppressing them as well as, of course, Mayfield's assessment of "Operation Cinder" I found to be very compelling and brilliantly conveyed by the series' production. One of my favorite lines of the episode:
Mayfield: "If you're from Mandalore you believe one thing, if you're from Alderaan you believe something else. But guess what? Neither one exists anymore." (Shrugs shoulders)
I hate that the show canonized that god awful plot from Battlefront 2 (2017) that was specifically made at the last minute just so that Iden and del have a reason to defect to the rebellion after all the false advertising the story trailers for that game did and it was also a pointless operation to begin with.
@@gabrieltejada1697 unfortunately I've not had the opportunity to play any of the Battlefront games. I've known only snippets of the plot(s) but mostly in limited context to Star Wars lore in general. As far as the episode goes, I'd have to say I liked the episode more-so because of Mayfield's attitude, perspective, and given dialogue.
@@gabrieltejada1697 The Battlefront 2 campaign was canon from release, the show didn't canonize it. While I agree with you that it seems like a rushed and kinda dumb story, it always was canon.
@@gabrieltejada1697 cope
@@matrixmessiah6083 cry more 😉
In an ultimate fragging, Vader threw Emperor himself into pit of doom ((TM) ...
But disney said otherwise (why disney why)
i love the critical analysis this channel does on star wars & how the politics & such affect the real citizens of the galaxy
There was also that time Sidious promoted some officer (whose name I can't remember) above Vader
Then that officer was an ass to Vader and when Sidious placed Vader back above him, Vader of course took his revenge and Force Choked that officer
To be fair, General Tagge was a pretty competent officer, he just made the mistake of assuming that he could piss off Darth Vader without having Palpatine's full backing.
@@occam7382 Thanks for reminding me of his name
And yes Taige was one of the best, he just made the mistake of sending Vader to do all the work, which Vader always successfully did, which annoyed Taige
There are a few situations when this happened. General Tagge was the one on the first Death Star and Moff Jerjerrod was on the second Death Star. There were a few others in the comics and assorted other material covering the period between the Prequels and the Original Trilogy. You'd think Palaptine did this just to see his most officious officers brought down a peg
@@jarrodbright5231 What amazes me is that these officers kept doing such things
You'd assume they'd stop being a dick to Vader after the fifth officer gets Force Choked
@@jotheunissen9274 i think there was rampant secularism going on, they didn't really believe the Force was real
Fragging has been going on since the first organized formations of soldiers were created. It's just another form of mutiny. The earliest written examples of this were the Roman legions deposing their Tribune or Legate all the way up to the Praetorian guard killing Caligula and quite a few subsequent Emperors.
When I told my father about what happened in the episode, he started laughing that I told him that the officer got killed by one of his soldiers. He was like, "He got Fragged??!!?" and started laughing.
Troops in WW1 had two officers. The come ons and the go ons.
I served in the '80s, and a lot of my senior leadership served in Vietnam. I knew a noncommissioned officer who survived a fragging attempt. He had two hearing aids and a messed up mentality. My battalion Sergeant Major and company First Sergeant could stand him.
We made a point of saluting officers in the field we did not like.
In David Drake 's Hammer Slammers' novels It was a Capital offense saluting officers on the field, logically they'll became targets for every sniper!
That made me laugh. Nice way to let the enemy deal with a problem.
That's both brilliant and evil lol
bullshit.
You Salute The Rank, Not The Man.
- Major Richard Winters, 101st Airborne
was really hoping to see the incident where Des had to knock out his commander to save his squad only to get thrown to the sith later as punishement, only for his squad the frag the commander later, legends frags next please!
That’s legends but even the commander knew it was a bad order, he just didn’t want to be caught disobeying orders from a Sith Lord
He is thrown to the Sith and is given an opportunity because they recognize his powers.
Whomever thought to use Fragmentation grenades clearly used their heads. No way to know who did it or even if it was a not-so-friendly fire situation. I think fragging in the military is just an extreme version of what can happen in any hierarchy. If the higher-ups show no respect for their subordinates why should they get respect in turn? Resentment builds up and revenge, no matter how self destructive it may be, comes about. There's the Aesop.
I had no idea why fragging is called that way or that it was so common in the Vietnam War...
As for the examples; I don't know if Gideon Hask should count because he was only the 2nd in command of the Inferno Squad, not its commanding officer.
PS: The Inferno Squad had originally 4 members but Seyn Marana was killed during the mission to infiltrate the Dreamers (Partisans' remnant) and never replaced.
It's called fragging because fragmentation grenades were the weapon of choice most of the time, Hash counts, because he killed Iden not because he died.
@@Nxla666 But Hask killed Iden only when she was already officially on the opposite faction; she was Resistance and he was in the First Order so that can't be counted as fragging.
@@Nxla666 nah too much of a time difference, at that time she was in the resistance and hask was in the first order
it wasn’t common, the guy is full of shit
I absolutely love that scene where cross hair ended that lieutenant
0:06 Robin Williams: "Gooood morning, Vietnam!"
Coincidently I was watching Band of Brothers, and one of the soldiers mentions fragging Sobel.
I feel like more employers and higher status individuals could leanr something from anakin skywalker personally. "treat those who are under you like actual people, and not fodder for your machinations." Anakin Regardless of who he is now, [vader] always held respect for the 501st and as Result the 501st respected him and his padawans and his master Obi Wan in the same way. You'll probably Notice that the First Guy to Get Shotdown Was Ki adi Mundi. He was Less Caring or empathetic towards his Comrades, and as result he was a lot more disliked not just by his felllow jedi such as skywalker, but also by his troops. then you have Pomkrell, who not only intentionally tried to send the 501st into forest of death, but also tricked them into fighting eachother and ordfered them to execute those who went against his orders, the 501st were like fuck that, and aftger some snooping around they learned that pom krell had turned to the darkside and was willing to send them to their deaths to help dooku in hopes of gaining his favor. in short, TREAT THOSE WHO WORK FOR YOU LIKE PEOPLE NOT YOUR OWN PERSONAL ASSEMBLY LINE!!! EVEN Revan Treated Hk 47 With far more respect than half of the employment options around the world.
Hey Alan, love your videos. I really enjoy the breakdowns and how you tie them into real world events. I always appreciate how I go in to see something fun like starwars and can walk away with real world info that gives me more to dive into. Keep it up!!
It’s amazing.
Great video, it's refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows their shit, when it comes to history. Awesome channel homie!!
Generation Tech makes the best videos!
Hmmmm....dos Vader throwing the Emperor down a Death Star Pit count as fraging? ^^
Well by far the ultimate definition of fragging.
he turned the death star into a grenade by throwing his commander into it lmao
Catachan Jungle Fighters: "Lol. Lmao." *fragging every Commissar assigned to them*
So that's where that lore came from. I knew GW could not be original.
@@robertnelson9599 Catachans are basically John Rambo when he was operating in Vietnam...
@@robertnelson9599 They took a bit of everything from everywhere it would seem
This is why I prefer the Imperials like Thrawn, Pellaon, and others like that. They're not just stupid saturday morning cartoon villans, they have brains. And those are the ones you have to watch out for.
As others have said, I am surprised it hasn't happened more often. Frag out.
Your mention of how George Lucas would create parallels in Star Wars reminded me of when I was a kid watching A New Hope. At the time, I thought the idea of a tiny starfighter destroying a massive war machine paralleled peculiarly with the destruction of the USS Arizona in the attack on Pearl Harbor.
While I know now that the battle over the Death Star and the trench run were inspired by something completely different, I still like to muse on that comparison.
That may very well be the case but the difference is that the design of the Death Star was fundamentally flawed while USS Arizona was just in a very particularly vulnerable state due to circumstances. If you're interested here's why Arizona blew up so catastrophically.
The common belief that the bomb that doomed Arizona penetrated the whole way down to the main battery ammunition magazine has actually been proven incorrect. However, Arizona along with almost all the battleships on Battleship Row (excluding the Pacific Fleet flagship USS Pennsylvania which was in dry dock being retrofit) were undergoing inspection and replacement of their ammunition. Their older ammunition had been officially replaced by newer and much more potent shells so the older ammunition was brought out of the safety of the main magazines to be inspected before being taken offboard and replaced. Being outside the main magazines the ammunition was vulnerable to attack and the rather unlucky Arizona ate a hit direct to said exposed magazine. Had the attack happened even a day later the same bomb strike would not have doomed the ship. An unfortunate matter of circumstance, the same thing applied to most of the other sunk (but most eventually raised and repaired) battleships that were mostly sunk in shallow water, most of their watertight compartments were open in preparation for inspection this included the access doors to the ships' torpedo defense systems, so flooding was unhindered. The biggest fundamental flaw of these ships is that their AA armament had not been updated as the belief that planes could pose a serious threat to ships was not taken seriously by the Americans until this moment. After the attack on Pearl Harbor the situation changed rather drastically as they slapped as many of the best AA guns they could get their hands on upon basically any ship they had.
Hope you enjoyed that brief history tidbit if you were interested enough to read through it and that you have a wonderful day.
I was not expecting the history dive, but it was very well done as a bonus to the Star Wars element!
Besides amazing Star Wars content, I would totally listen to you give history facts and lessons.
Watching Crosshair kill Nolan was one of the most satisfying moments in Star Wars. While I love the equipment and structure in the imperial military the seeming encouragement of incompetent and arrogant officers is somewhat baffling. Often times you wonder why more of them weren't smoked by their own men or how possibly the empire would be more tactically effective with officers that looked out for the welfare of their men rather than constantly keep them afraid.
by this time the officers were not so much professional as they were ambitious. They wanted to climb the ladder. Knowing that the Republic was dead and buried made them really arrogant and overconfident. The Clones, having fought the Separatists and lost so many of their brothers had a different angle.
You still had good officers like Veers and Piett, but they were the minority among the Imperials who preferred politics, showboating and building their own small fiefdoms.
I've often heard it said that "people get promoted to their level of incompetence." You do well, you get promoted. You continue to do well, you get promoted. You don't do so well any more... you stay there.
Mayfeld shooting Hess is one of the best scenes in Mando.
Nolan was tacticaly inapt and wastefull with ressources.
Crosshair deserves an award and higher rank for his duty to the Empire!
Man is the best in the world to listen to talk about Star Wars, bar none. Not just knowledge in universe, but a grounded well based knowledge in our real world as well
This is great content not only focusing on fiction but using the real world as an example and your learning a bit of actual history
Imagine getting fragged by Bill Burr: "hello how aaare ya?" *PEW*
😂
bill burr was the best character in the mandalorian wish he had more screen time
Jedi: first time?
You did very good in explaining the Veatnam war
didnt expect a history lesson at the start but i am here for it
Great video
Damn. I can't believe that happened so often. Wild stuff. Rarely ever 1 of these channels catches me by surprise like this. Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I didn't know it happened around 100 times a yr. Maybe 100 over the whole war but 1 about every 4 days. Crazy
Allan,mad props my man ,I like content, and intelligent Peace...
Guy: clones suck
Crosshairs : no , sabe him pls
Rampart: clones will be replaced
Crosshairs: understood my king
As a Brit we’re taught very little about the Vietnam War. My understanding is that we, at the time, viewed it as someone else’s problem. Though I heard somewhere that we did send some people over to train Americans in how to combat guerrilla warfare and got told to sod off
Lol. You gave America Karma.
I remember a Monty Python sketch where they turned the Domino Theory of international communism into a toothpaste ad, which then morphed into an ad for fuel additives.
wait i thought this just uploaded i havent seen this and its been out for a month 😆
Dude where can I find that Iden Versio v Gideon scene? I played the entire story for Battlefront 2 and I don't remember that scene.
RIP Mayday
You’re the best Star Wars channel period. I may not like everything, but when you touch on subjects of interest by clones, Jedi, sith, mandalorians and other sects/religions of the Star Wars universe. It’s historic and you pull from the aspect that designed the structure from our world. And I especially love the EU content or the mixture and blending between the canon and EU.
You can just HEAR the anger in Crosshair's voice when he said, "Lieutenant." He had a calm tone, but still.
Good video
"Fragging" is not a new concept. I would venture to say it is a tactic as old as people could organize to go on a hunt or spoil for a fight with an adversary. Every justifiable/heinous reason under the sun was used to validate the fatal action (lawful or not). In the end, it becomes a conspiracy because those involved or have knowledge will remain silent and an alternate recount becomes public.
Ork Snipers are a thing - even in a galaxy far far away
I have no commanding officers. Not anymore. 🤨
The same incidents occurred as well with junior enlisted fragging NCOs or senior NCOS.
10:05 When you're planning on throwing a coup and the squad has your back without a word shared.
The best part about this channel is how you guys will relate things to real life history and talk about George Lucas and his meaning behind things great videos been watching for a few years now
Are there times in which fragging was committed on the rebellion side of the war?
Honestly the Mayfield scene was one of the few scenes I actually loved in that show.
"You'd be fragged if we were in country" is a good way to let someone know that they suck.
There are two ways to look at the bits of information being used as an example in the beginning. Either you can be annoyed or enjoy it. And i love history, definitely didn't know the empire was supposed to be America.
Sometimes I get disturbed of just how far some Imperials are willing to go just to ‘follow orders.’
Lol “hot headed ginger self”
I kinda love the handle shape of the Padawan saber, I always wanted to have a Lego lightsaber
Out of all of these, none had it coming more than Nolan.
The one thing that I’ve learned about leadership is that a title helps clear the air and give organization. However, it is the belief from those who are being led that determines whether or not you are a leader. The fanciest title is nothing versus a person who has been through the trenches with you.
All I know is that I'd rather spend the next five years in jail than fight for a country that hates me
2:55 Blackhawk jump scare
I had an OCS butterbar that I would have defiantly fragged.
Three times I punctured the sidewalls of his tires, on a sweet, white '70 440 GTO when he was CQ and his car was on post overnight. I used a Czech cross-hatched saw-backed bayonet. Nothing to do but replace 'em.
Loa Tzu says the most effective way to avoid being struck by your people, is to inspire their love through kindness and support. (Paraphrase)
I forgot this was about staf wars gill 3:48
My CO is pretty awesome so he shouldn’t have to ever worry about fraggin
The good thing about blasters is that there are no shell casings leftover match to a particular gun.
i dunno, i'm sure they have some sort of method of doing forensics in Star Wars
@@CorvusCorone68 True. They can check when the last time a blaster was fired for sure, I remember them catching a rogue clone through this method.
It turns out that "fragging an officer" is something that has been a part of the American Army since the Revolutionary War. In Joseph Plumb Martin's book, "Private Yankee Doodle", he describes that as a sergeant, his men advised him that they wanted to "raise up" their commanding officer with a canteen full of black powder under his cot. He convinced those men that it wouldn't be a good idea.
And one of the most interesting thing is, that officer was David Bushnell, engineer and inventor of the first submersible used in combat (not successfully), who was given a medal by George Washington.
So it's an old, if not distinguished tradition.
Props again to Mayfield, but I wish we.could have seen more of Valen Hess. His brutality and psychopathic personality were scary.
It pretty much boils down too no one’s to fight under a pong krell
I noticed it a while back, but I really like your homage to Ukraine with your screen background. Subtle, yet bad ass at the same time. Slava Ukraini, my friend.
Don’t forget that general Veers got into the spotlight because the stormtrooper Grath shot and killed the idiot officer leading an attack which put Veers in charge and the rest is history
Veers turned out to be a very competent and professional officer, so yeah it turned out for the best.
All of them had it coming.
I'll always just assume it's called Fragging because of how often your teammates in Halo accidentally kill you with the Frags
There was an incident during the mexican war of 1846 to 1848 involving a rather none too well liked officer named Braxton Bragg. A disgruntled soldier in Bragg's unit had enough and decided to lob a lit shell into Bragg's tent. Unfortunately, Bragg didn't suffer any serious injuries aside from a few cuts and bruises. Hard to believe Bragg's military career would last another twenty years with him serving as a rebel general during the American Civil War.
What’s weird is that the Rebel Alliance basically conscripted the Ewoks and the Empire left them alone for the most part which basically makes the rebels the Americans resulting in unnecessary Ewok deaths.
6:39 Galactic Empire as the Confederate States vs New Republic as the Union States
An enlisted persons perspective to all commissioned and non commissioned officers in armed forces: don’t always use your best guys for every mission or task. Yeah they might get the job done but if you keep piling work on them, it disincentives them from keeping up their standard. Raise the standards for the other guys, don’t just rely solely on your top men. And this goes for everything, from combat to admin roles
Hey say what you will about Crosshair, he ain't a dirty backshooter /shrug
Vader realising fragging isnt just part of his job: 👁👄👁
As i learned as a young naive jr NCO, from an older experienced NCO, "Take care of your troops, and they will take care of you, or else if you dont they will "Take care"of you.
Iden Versio’s death is the most stupid death in StarWars. In the final mission of the second part of the campaign in Battlefront II, as the player, you can use her droid to heal herself with bacta spray from blaster bolts & flame troopers (who set fire to you point blank). It will bring you up from 100->600HP for a period of time. When she gets shot by hask, WHERE IS HER DROID? IT NEVER GOT DAMAGED, IT JUST DECIDED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Good job being consistent Disney & EA, spectacular job.
plot armor has one fatal flaw, the plot; just as you can take shots that would otherwise kill you, if the game decides you're meant to take a hit, you take it
How could you leave out Cousin Darth killing Uncle Palpy?😂
Bruh you have a point!