@@destindude1978 honestly they look the same as an NES with the plastic over tab removed. This is a pic of the expansion port with the tab removed. But the models that didn't have that tab in place looked essentially the same to my understanding when Nintendo decided they would not be using the expansion port for the US model they redesigned the bottom half of the plastic shell to have the protective tab on it because they didn't redesign the circuit board and remove the actual expansion port. www.nintendoworldreport.com/media/27664/4/11.jpg
@@destindude1978 so it looks essentially the same as in the one picture I just linked except that it wouldn't have the residual plastic from where the tab was removed
My cousin had the Sega channel add-on for his Genesis and it would take so long for games to download. I also remember playing Sega Saturn Netlink modem and duke nukem online. And this was back in like 1997 I believe? Amazing video Lady Decade!
300 bits per second was a standard speed used by the C64 game "Modem Wars". I think the C64 MMORPG Habitat also used 300 bits per second. With Modem Wars, you dialed your opponent's landline phone line directly. With Habitat, you dialed into a centralized server that had multiple phone lines (sort of like a dialup ISP).
The port clones the bus and the controller ports. Someone used to make a custom adaptor so you can plug it into the nes bottom port and give you the 15 pin famicom port to connect famicom accessories.
I always enjoyed slamming my cartridge into Nintendo secret slot as a kid. Granted, sometimes I had to blow on it to get thing working, but I never minded doing that
Discovered this port while having to clean out the inside of my NES in the mid 90's when games would no longer play. I had to clean and adjust the pinset prolly because of the Game Genie.
You should make a video about the later/current attempts to make expansion port devces for the nes, the ENIO, EPSM, there has been something that could tweet and probably more :)
The earliest experiments relating to online connectivity on game consoles were done as far back as the early 1980s. For some consoles, Dial-Up internet connectivity was made available through the use of special cartridges, along with an adapter. The GameLine for the Atari 2600 and the PlayCable for the Intellivision are two notable examples of this. Services like these did not have multiplayer online gaming capability, but did allow users to download games from a central server and play them, usually requiring a fee for continued access. However, neither the GameLine or PlayCable attained mainstream popularity and both services were shut down during the 1983 video game crash. Source: Wikipedia online console gaming page
I think that Nintendo should have let you download the old 8 bit and 16 bit games and play them offline rather than stream them. They would make a fair few quid this way.
To be fair, Nintendo was planning on releasing the Famicom in the US & abroad as the Nintendo Advanced Video System. A home computer system with wireless control pads, light gun, and keyboard. It was a home computer system like the Sinclair ZX Spectrum. But when shown at a electric convention, it garnered little enthusiasm. Kind of wish they also released the AVS with the NES and brought cross play with it LOL
@@ChicagoMel23 The price was pretty high when you add up all the extensions. But other than the cost, I am really not sure what would turn people off. Maybe because Nintendo wasn't really well known in the US, at the time, outside of the arcade cabinets.
Wait…. So cross play between Nes and the Genesis? They’re two different generations of systems. I can see between Nes & Master System but not Genesis. Hell, I don’t think there were any mutual games between the Nes & Genesis was there?
She mentioned three games that I think were unique games specifically made for this add-on. They would have to be able to run on the specs of the weaker system.
Interestingly, the Atari 2600 even had an online service and that one used it for downloadable games. I never had that, and certainly not this Japan exclusive thing, but I did have an XBand Modem for my SNES. Well, I still have it. It's got the most 90's interface ever. Street chalk art and Rob Liefeld styled comic art abound on the thing, as well as "pumping" jams and record-scratch sound effects. There was a Genesis version as well, but sadly no cross-play. There was a good reason though. The online functions weren't actually supported by the games themselves. They basically used real-time patches to turn those games into online multiplayer, and in those cases where those games are on both systems they have enough significant differences in gameplay that they just can't talk to each other anyway.
Neither the modem for the NES/Famicom nor any others for game systems connected to the internet in the 1980s for a simple reason. ISPs didn't exist until the end of 1989 and commercial services weren't allowed to operate on/through the internet until 1991. They didn't use network cables either because the network cables everybody uses now with RJ45 connectors didn't exist until 1990. Except for very early ones that used acoustic couplers all dial up modems on all platforms connected using standard telephone RJ11 jacks. Before everybody was doing everything mostly over the internet you used dial up modems to connect directly to somebody elses modem, you connected to a system that could only serve one or a few users at a time with a different phone number for each line (Think local BBSes), or you dialed into a service that paid to have a ringdown number and racks and racks of modems to connect with each user that dialed in (think stuff like AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy, or dedicated gaming and information services like the one mentioned for gambling). And while 300 baud was quite slow games were played over connections that slow. The graphics of the game had nothing to do with the speed of the modem. Except for modern game streaming services where the content is rendered remotely the graphics of the game aren't sent over the connection, only data such as character position and movement. Latency is a far bigger issue for most games during gameplay than the actual connection speed and that still holds true today.
I think Nintendo allowed the gambling service in Japan in the famicom since unlike the US/euro nes It was made to be a family "computer" (i mean, yeah, consoles are still computers but you get what i mean), so that even adults could get entertained with. However in the west the nes was initially made to look like a "hi-tech" (if we can call It that way) home entertainment system due to the US 1983 videogame market crash. But with the success and rapid diffusion of the NES, people started to see It like a Toy for children more than a vcr thing, especially in the US due to the fact that the system was more popular than elsewhere here in the west (in Europe the market was dominated by home computers til the early 90s when consoles like the sega master system dominated across Europe). Because of this, the gambling modem would've (obviously) been inappropriate since the NES was a "Toy", cuz It would be like adding a "smoking kit" to Barbie dolls.
Lady Decade you are very Informative about old consoles so you deserve my sub and thumbs up 😁 Also nice Simpsons ref "Will someone think of the children" lol
Interesting and thank you for bringing this up about the NES console add on lady decade because I’m 22 years old and I’m learning about this from you. ❤😆👍
12:19 - Look at the Koopa Troopa card; I feel they should be wearing underpants under their shells, along with the t-shirt. This idea is kinda shown in the graphics for "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island".
I don't have a switch. When I get one later this year in anticipation for the new Zelda, I'm not paying for the online service. The only game I play online is Wizard101 and only play it with my fiancee on a nice empty server where we can avoid other people easier. And I plainly refuse to continually pay for classic games I've have paid for multiple times already. My classic gaming lives comfortably on my laptop.
Nintendo was smart tho thinking of the future possibilities they had sega so be cheaper to make a add on then a whole new system while gives them time to develop the snes
i always thought the expansion port was the one in front of the famicom, turns out that port is actually the p1 and p2 ports of the NES, with the actual expansion port being a mirror of several data and address cpu lines, with the OG controller ports of the famicom being buried in the nes motherboard
In the USA, they came out with a moderm in the last 80s in 2 state that was use for people to play real lottery on the game system. It was very short live, last about 6 month due to legal reason
Just be sure that whatever you downloaded on Wii you never deleted because as long as you still have that saved to your console's harddrive you'll still be able to play it. I don't mind the switch online service because I'm paying a small price for an entire year of service and to get all these games included instead of having to actually spend money for each individual game and the fact that they continue to add more games to their service is pretty nice. I have been doing the $20 per year basic pack over the yearsband enjoying a lot of NES and SNES games and of course playing new switch games on the internet like Super smash Bros ultimate and Mario striker's battle League. I caved in and upgraded to the $50 per year service so I can get some Sega Genesis and N64 games but I'm actually pretty disappointed. I'm enjoying Mario Kart 64 and earthworm Jim and other things, but it's pretty frustrating that they decide to charge more than double the price just to add two additional things and some kind of free DLC for animal crossing and like seriously I've looked at the library of games and there's not very many Genesis games and not very many N64 games to choose from. They really shouldn't have brought the price up so high.
This is weird but to me $20 seemed like underpayment, like they could use that as an excuse for crappy service. If you played Mario Maker 2 online you can tell a clear difference in quality. I do think they could/should add a new game to play every month or something like the Xbox used to
I wasn't a sub but I kept seeing your vids in my recommended. Watched a few and really like the content. I've now subbed. But I think it was mainly bc of your accent and no-nonsense delivery. 😃
With many people creating home brews and mods for the Nintendo, you would think modern day enthusiasts would create, at least a bluetooth adapter where two systems can work within 30 meters (10 feet) of each other. I would say a WI-FI adapter but who is going to fork up the money to create a server for a nearly 40 year old console?
I find it funny I found this video today I was just talking to people online about how Nintendo has been networking online games forever and a day at least as far as I know the first one to do it but you go on to the switch website and it tells you to open up all your ports (if you don't know that's a bad thing) and how they've been giving poor advice since I think 2013 but I could be wrong. I guess it boils down to they should know better.
Early versions of the NES had the expansion port just covered by the removable cover & no screwdriver was required to access it
Mine is like this, the cover just pops off.
I'd love to see pictures of that I've never seen it before
@@destindude1978 honestly they look the same as an NES with the plastic over tab removed.
This is a pic of the expansion port with the tab removed. But the models that didn't have that tab in place looked essentially the same to my understanding when Nintendo decided they would not be using the expansion port for the US model they redesigned the bottom half of the plastic shell to have the protective tab on it because they didn't redesign the circuit board and remove the actual expansion port.
www.nintendoworldreport.com/media/27664/4/11.jpg
@@destindude1978 so it looks essentially the same as in the one picture I just linked except that it wouldn't have the residual plastic from where the tab was removed
I had to remove the plastic on mine when I installed the FDS sound channel. Having this mod has paid off very well :)
*Flathead screwdriver, not a Phillips.
Still, an NES modem would be fun to tinker with for homebrew projects...
Lolol
Glad it wasn't just me! 🤣
My cousin had the Sega channel add-on for his Genesis and it would take so long for games to download. I also remember playing Sega Saturn Netlink modem and duke nukem online. And this was back in like 1997 I believe? Amazing video Lady Decade!
Even as a kid I figured they wouldn't have installed all these additional ports unless there were peripherals I'd never heard of.
300 bits per second was a standard speed used by the C64 game "Modem Wars". I think the C64 MMORPG Habitat also used 300 bits per second. With Modem Wars, you dialed your opponent's landline phone line directly. With Habitat, you dialed into a centralized server that had multiple phone lines (sort of like a dialup ISP).
Wasn't it also dubbed "Reading speed"?
Yeah, she had more info wrong about the modem than correct.
@@blunderingfool no
Oooo
You don't use Phillips head screwdriver tho, that would be a weird choice for breaking that cover of
She goofed, if you look closely it's a flat head screw driver
Lol, I was going to comment that she was using a flathead, not a Phillips.
Doesn't surprise me that Bushnell was behind this. There was even a modem cartridge for the 2600.
It was called the Game line from 1983
Yet another extremely well made video. Always such a pleasure to watch! Crazy to think online gaming could have happened so much sooner.
ok simp
Absolutely love the Metroid music in the background:)
That little box under the console always reminded me of the RF adapter
I actually thought it was meant to store the RF adapter when I was a kid.
@@neoasura Same here!
@@neoasura You aren't a real gamer if you didn't put the RF adapter in there at least once!
Thanks Lady Decade, love to you and the fam!
Back then people were .. watching the radio. 😂 lady decade you have me rolling on the floor in tears. Good episode.
I once listened to the TV on the radio. does that count?
@@loganwilliams5462 technically, it does 😁
Damn the nostalgia 😔
1:02 bloody love that retailer “How to Nintendo” video.
Keep up the good work lass and, as always, stay safe!
Was wondering what they were thinking about doing with that ext port on the bottom. Neat!
The port clones the bus and the controller ports.
Someone used to make a custom adaptor so you can plug it into the nes bottom port and give you the 15 pin famicom port to connect famicom accessories.
The line is "Huh, neat".
All this talk about jamming things into slots... seriously I love your content. I learn a lot, and you're very entertaining.
You subtlely slipped in the phrase wizard sleeve lmao. Subbed.
2:24 Cough cough, flathead, cough 😜
I really love your videos Lady Decade.
*the way you ripped that expansion port out with no care and caused that damage! arggg triggering!!! , awesome video nonetheles lol*
💪👍
Now this is a great educational video. Thanks
Where my legend began. The NES
I always enjoyed slamming my cartridge into Nintendo secret slot as a kid. Granted, sometimes I had to blow on it to get thing working, but I never minded doing that
Discovered this port while having to clean out the inside of my NES in the mid 90's when games would no longer play. I had to clean and adjust the pinset prolly because of the Game Genie.
You should make a video about the later/current attempts to make expansion port devces for the nes, the ENIO, EPSM, there has been something that could tweet and probably more :)
The earliest experiments relating to online connectivity on game consoles were done as far back as the early 1980s. For some consoles, Dial-Up internet connectivity was made available through the use of special cartridges, along with an adapter. The GameLine for the Atari 2600 and the PlayCable for the Intellivision are two notable examples of this. Services like these did not have multiplayer online gaming capability, but did allow users to download games from a central server and play them, usually requiring a fee for continued access. However, neither the GameLine or PlayCable attained mainstream popularity and both services were shut down during the 1983 video game crash. Source: Wikipedia online console gaming page
Thank you, Great work!, excellent piece of historical information.
I think that Nintendo should have let you download the old 8 bit and 16 bit games and play them offline rather than stream them. They would make a fair few quid this way.
To be fair, Nintendo was planning on releasing the Famicom in the US & abroad as the Nintendo Advanced Video System. A home computer system with wireless control pads, light gun, and keyboard. It was a home computer system like the Sinclair ZX Spectrum. But when shown at a electric convention, it garnered little enthusiasm.
Kind of wish they also released the AVS with the NES and brought cross play with it LOL
Ugh why weren’t people excited?
@@ChicagoMel23 The price was pretty high when you add up all the extensions. But other than the cost, I am really not sure what would turn people off. Maybe because Nintendo wasn't really well known in the US, at the time, outside of the arcade cabinets.
Yeah at this time Wireless was to much ahead of the times. I.e. wireless controllers for the Atari 2600, 5200 and 8 bit computers didn't sell too well
2:24 that's not a phillips head screw driver.....
It's a slotted, or flat head.
2:32 well done depreciating your consol.
I always wondered what that little compartment was for underneath the console lol.
Me too. Especially since I knew you had to have a computer to get Internet although at the time the World Ride Web was not a thing
I learn so many new things about all my old games and consoles from watching your videos. And you're so good-looking :-)
Just because Nintendo was among the first to do online doesn't mean they've learned how to do it well over the years.
Wait…. So cross play between Nes and the Genesis? They’re two different generations of systems. I can see between Nes & Master System but not Genesis. Hell, I don’t think there were any mutual games between the Nes & Genesis was there?
She mentioned three games that I think were unique games specifically made for this add-on. They would have to be able to run on the specs of the weaker system.
After burner, maybe?
That’s interesting Nolan Bushnell was originally on that Project as C= paid him $$$$$$ to promote their CDTV at the same time too!
Bloody love this channel
back in 1988 i was watching Saturday Morning Cartoons on TV
That's not what a Phillips head screwdriver looks like...
Love the Mega Man 2 music in this, pretty sure I still have PTSD from the game. 😂
My NES has a secret wizard sleeve cover with tabs. No violation required!
Interestingly, the Atari 2600 even had an online service and that one used it for downloadable games. I never had that, and certainly not this Japan exclusive thing, but I did have an XBand Modem for my SNES. Well, I still have it. It's got the most 90's interface ever. Street chalk art and Rob Liefeld styled comic art abound on the thing, as well as "pumping" jams and record-scratch sound effects. There was a Genesis version as well, but sadly no cross-play. There was a good reason though. The online functions weren't actually supported by the games themselves. They basically used real-time patches to turn those games into online multiplayer, and in those cases where those games are on both systems they have enough significant differences in gameplay that they just can't talk to each other anyway.
all good slots are always being used for a good purpose
That was a flathead screwdriver, not a philips.
If, I recollect correctly, I think Microsoft, did have a product called an X-box, sometime, somewhere, back in the 1980's, I'm pretty sure.
I don't understand why no one hacked this extension port for anything interesting.
Neither the modem for the NES/Famicom nor any others for game systems connected to the internet in the 1980s for a simple reason. ISPs didn't exist until the end of 1989 and commercial services weren't allowed to operate on/through the internet until 1991. They didn't use network cables either because the network cables everybody uses now with RJ45 connectors didn't exist until 1990. Except for very early ones that used acoustic couplers all dial up modems on all platforms connected using standard telephone RJ11 jacks.
Before everybody was doing everything mostly over the internet you used dial up modems to connect directly to somebody elses modem, you connected to a system that could only serve one or a few users at a time with a different phone number for each line (Think local BBSes), or you dialed into a service that paid to have a ringdown number and racks and racks of modems to connect with each user that dialed in (think stuff like AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy, or dedicated gaming and information services like the one mentioned for gambling).
And while 300 baud was quite slow games were played over connections that slow. The graphics of the game had nothing to do with the speed of the modem. Except for modern game streaming services where the content is rendered remotely the graphics of the game aren't sent over the connection, only data such as character position and movement. Latency is a far bigger issue for most games during gameplay than the actual connection speed and that still holds true today.
I think Nintendo allowed the gambling service in Japan in the famicom since unlike the US/euro nes It was made to be a family "computer" (i mean, yeah, consoles are still computers but you get what i mean), so that even adults could get entertained with. However in the west the nes was initially made to look like a "hi-tech" (if we can call It that way) home entertainment system due to the US 1983 videogame market crash. But with the success and rapid diffusion of the NES, people started to see It like a Toy for children more than a vcr thing, especially in the US due to the fact that the system was more popular than elsewhere here in the west (in Europe the market was dominated by home computers til the early 90s when consoles like the sega master system dominated across Europe). Because of this, the gambling modem would've (obviously) been inappropriate since the NES was a "Toy", cuz It would be like adding a "smoking kit" to Barbie dolls.
Lady Decade you are very Informative about old consoles so you deserve my sub and thumbs up 😁 Also nice Simpsons ref "Will someone think of the children" lol
Nintendo's past is a little darker than Illegal playing cards or online betting, they used to run a Hotel for extra marital activity's.....
Wish they still had those!
Perhaps the inspiration for Hotel Mario?
It’s better not to promote sin
@@ChasingDragons420 cheating is something scum do.
@@ChicagoMel23
No one is promoting the moon God sin
Sin is not a offense it was the name of a Samarian moon God
Interesting and thank you for bringing this up about the NES console add on lady decade because I’m 22 years old and I’m learning about this from you. ❤😆👍
Loving that BVTSM lvl. 2 soundtrack in the outro, by the way! ;)
Most impressive on the music changes, Chojin Sentai Jetman, to Castlevania, to Kick Master to Double Dragon.
Fun facts over 9000
Wow 🤩 another great video! Maybe you can do a few on the psvita ? Would love to see some obscure history on nextgen consoles.
I've done a video on the Vita and PSP recently, as well as the PlayStation Phone! X
@@LadyDecade just found them. Thank you !
Great video, like always. I thought it was neat, that in the background you have my 2 favorite N64 games on display, Mystical Ninja and Turok 2.
At the 12 second mark, I have wanted that giant SNES prop since the first time I saw it. So rad....
🤔 00:12
Fair enough
Thanks for the video. Good stuff.
Awesome video. Hope everything is going well with you.
12:19 - Look at the Koopa Troopa card; I feel they should be wearing underpants under their shells, along with the t-shirt. This idea is kinda shown in the graphics for "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island".
I don't have a switch. When I get one later this year in anticipation for the new Zelda, I'm not paying for the online service.
The only game I play online is Wizard101 and only play it with my fiancee on a nice empty server where we can avoid other people easier.
And I plainly refuse to continually pay for classic games I've have paid for multiple times already.
My classic gaming lives comfortably on my laptop.
Been enjoying your videos anyways, then you said fuddy-duddies and that just brings things to a whole other level. 10/10
I’m glad you ended how you did with the statement on Nintendo & its practices.
Lady decade u should have been the next queen of England.
We are still having these gambling problems today...
Nintendo was smart tho thinking of the future possibilities they had sega so be cheaper to make a add on then a whole new system while gives them time to develop the snes
i always thought the expansion port was the one in front of the famicom, turns out that port is actually the p1 and p2 ports of the NES, with the actual expansion port being a mirror of several data and address cpu lines, with the OG controller ports of the famicom being buried in the nes motherboard
i like how you and top hat's manner is way over the top. its a mix of circus carneys and contemptuous blueblooded etonian
Feel like the VO quality is had a jump up since the last video I watched. Great video as always!
In the USA, they came out with a moderm in the last 80s in 2 state that was use for people to play real lottery on the game system. It was very short live, last about 6 month due to legal reason
Just be sure that whatever you downloaded on Wii you never deleted because as long as you still have that saved to your console's harddrive you'll still be able to play it. I don't mind the switch online service because I'm paying a small price for an entire year of service and to get all these games included instead of having to actually spend money for each individual game and the fact that they continue to add more games to their service is pretty nice.
I have been doing the $20 per year basic pack over the yearsband enjoying a lot of NES and SNES games and of course playing new switch games on the internet like Super smash Bros ultimate and Mario striker's battle League. I caved in and upgraded to the $50 per year service so I can get some Sega Genesis and N64 games but I'm actually pretty disappointed. I'm enjoying Mario Kart 64 and earthworm Jim and other things, but it's pretty frustrating that they decide to charge more than double the price just to add two additional things and some kind of free DLC for animal crossing and like seriously I've looked at the library of games and there's not very many Genesis games and not very many N64 games to choose from. They really shouldn't have brought the price up so high.
This is weird but to me $20 seemed like underpayment, like they could use that as an excuse for crappy service. If you played Mario Maker 2 online you can tell a clear difference in quality. I do think they could/should add a new game to play every month or something like the Xbox used to
This is actually a good video.
Cheers
My sega plays nes games. But it was built recently.
I love watching your videos
Always good to get a lady decade vid
uhhh that's a flat head screwdriver, not a Phillips head. I'm probably the 800th person to post this, but... THE MOAR YOU KNOW!!!1! 🌈
Secret Wizard sleeve 😂😂😂
Phillips head screwdriver, LOL that not a phillips😆
that just wasn't a Phillips head screwdriver "wasn't even posidrive"
More obscurity for these lost add ons
I wasn't a sub but I kept seeing your vids in my recommended. Watched a few and really like the content. I've now subbed. But I think it was mainly bc of your accent and no-nonsense delivery. 😃
No-nonsense? You're definitely new here welcome 😂😂
You know what that spot under the Nintendo is for? You can hide your weed in it 😂😂😂
Online gaming... Ha that will never take off.
I always thought it was meant to store the RF adapter when I was a kid.
Show what the red led does
With many people creating home brews and mods for the Nintendo, you would think modern day enthusiasts would create, at least a bluetooth adapter where two systems can work within 30 meters (10 feet) of each other. I would say a WI-FI adapter but who is going to fork up the money to create a server for a nearly 40 year old console?
Retroarch has multiplayer for NES.
@@mikicerise6250 Well I'll be damned! What will be thought of next?
I bet this can be made for the NES now days but someone has to want to do it
You used a flat head screw driver, not a Phillips. Lol!
Famicom, I want one...or do I? We only have a finite time on this planet. Still...very cool
That's a flathead screwdriver and a Sega Genesis.
yeah so that was definitely a flat-head screwdriver though.
Ahh, Batman NES soundtrack. Noice
Na, never paying twice for a game I've already bought. That's what backup copies are for.
She’s damn right 0:00
I find it funny I found this video today I was just talking to people online about how Nintendo has been networking online games forever and a day at least as far as I know the first one to do it but you go on to the switch website and it tells you to open up all your ports (if you don't know that's a bad thing) and how they've been giving poor advice since I think 2013 but I could be wrong. I guess it boils down to they should know better.
stocks, weather and cheats, great functionality.
That's a flat head screwdriver bro 😂
Expansion for the lotteri ? On the tv.
That's a Flat head screwdriver haha
Hi lady decade!