Thank you so so so much for not insulting my intelligence by titling this video "So-and-so DESTROYS What's-his-name!!!". You're willing to let the viewers watch and decide for ourselves, and you have no idea how much I appreciate that. Thank you.
I’m a black woman. Descendant of slaves and I love America. I love what this country has become. I love all ppl. It’s about your character, values and morals. It’s about now.
@@Dwainegnd you could say that his values and morals put him in that spot to have that crime committed against him. which doesn't excuse the crime obviously. if you are a man of solid morals, strong character. no drug user, ex convict allegedly passing out fake bills like George then you shouldnt run into the police that often but even if you do you tend to act different too.
The fact that people would boo at 10:20 after a black man just basically said he doesn't want to be judged by the color of his skin is astounding to me.
@@Marcusaurelius913 Comments like these are the determining factor in how I can tell who is uneducated in American history. Please research Goldwater, Dixiecrats, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Southern Democrats are now confederate flag waving Nascar fans. The parties switched. Not to mention the fact that "Republican" in Lincoln's time was basically the Whig party, which Lincoln ascribed to. It was pro-taxes and favored more federal government, aka the modern Democratic party. But believe whatever you want.
TenTonNuke the democratic party and republican party never switched, that is a myth. Second Lincoln was the first Republican president and was never apart of the Whig Party, idk where you got that. Second democrats opposed the civil rights act and the republicans supported it. Maybe you should do some research.
Black people shouldn’t have to agree with him because he’s black. It’s not about just individual judgment it’s also about how they’re judged without their choice by other races.
@Jonathan Rodriguez. First, agreed. Second, red pill in this instance represents people rejecting a mass hysteria that has been going on for years. LOTS of data indicate that systemic racism is NOT a thing, and that the american descendants of slaves have much worse outcomes in comparison to: African immigrants Caribbean immigrants East Indian immigrants (they all have dark skin like the africans do). Racism can't be the reason for these disparities, which means something else is in play. Since this hasn't been studied at all, we don't know the actual reasons.. we can only surmise.
How is this going to work. Do I also have to pay even though we only arrived in 1970? And do the African immigrants also get to cash in even if they have only been here since the 90's. What if I am 1/6th black? This is stupid.
@@normanberg9940 It's worse. For "government" to pay reparations, it would need to take that money away from the citizenry first (ie. taxes). So we're going to have Americans who weren't alive during that time, maybe whose families immigrated here many decades after slavery ended, paying the "reparations"? Do Tiger Woods and Denzel Washington get checks, or are they helping foot the bill?
A presumptive white congressman calling an educated, articulate black man, "presumptive." Wow. 🤨 Good thing Mr Hughes didn't call him out right then & there by proclaiming the senator, "a presumptive racist" and offering proof of it by conflating (a favorite tool/ploy of the lefty Dems) the bucket of chicken that THAT same Senator broke out in chambers not too long ago, as a slight upon Black people (like Popeyes; Churches Fried Chicken; Watermelon; etc.) Too bad he didn't do so. He may've started a riot with the restless natives in the back there and given those reparation presumptive congressmen what they do richly deserve. 😎 #beatdown
Stefan Langenhoven Focusing on the problem usually counts every wrong and tends to breed a victim mentality. That result is not specific to race related issues. Focusing on solutions usually creates freedom of ones mind and solves problems without giving the problems power. Problems become nothing but a temporary obstacle. You tend to count the things you have rather than focus on the things you don’t.
@@stefanlangenhoven78 Did you watch the video? Hughes makes excellent arguments for why focusing on the problems themselves does nothing to solve them. "Our desire to fix the past, compromises our ability to fix the present." "There is a difference between acknowledging history, and allowing history to distract us from the problems we face today."
Mr Coleman Hughes is speaking 'common sense', how brilliant his communication, theory, opinions based off of facts and suggestions are. How are more people not getting it? I'm with him 100%! and BTW, check out the GREAT work the DOE Fund is doing in NY......
1bikeman OnDaMoV click bait is when the person posting the video uses emphasis to manipulate a narrative in the title of the video. Usually using all caps to say things like “Hughes OBLITERATES Coates and ends his career while speaking to the house”
It probably shouldn't. As I've commented elsewhere below this video, it's likely (though I can't speak for him) that he meant he was being presumptive insofar as H.R.40 is not some mainline to reparations automatically being paid, but is, more accurately, meant to (as Coates says starting @19:50) to "convene a committee...to study what exactly the damage was, and what potential remedy might be offered, and also to convene conversations around the country." So, some nuance there, which it seems - by the tone of the comments here - many people would gladly overlook, so as to say Coates simply and selfishly and emotionally wants some automatic, impulsive payment...that isn't the case. To be clear, Coates says in this video that he isn't ruling out "cutting checks", but he's also not by any means blindly demanding that. I can't say I know what resources this committee would require, or how budgeting around it works, and I don't know if Hughes has some objection to its mere formation on quantitative/budgetary/allocative grounds. The irony, though, in people calling Coates "emotional" and and Hughes "critical", etc. is that much of Hughes argument is actually qualitative, with some statistics/numbers offered to bolster it. This isn't to say Coates offered some calculus and complete theory of reparations here, but what he is actually, explicitly, and ultimate suggesting is a committee to study, and arrive at both qualitative and quantitative conclusions, whatever they might be. Anyway, if anyone wants to look at the actual text of H.R.40, even if it leads you to the same conclusions/reactions, you can here: www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/40/text
I think that kinda threw Coleman off too. But I agree with the moderator. I think Coleman is brilliant!!! But his argument at the time that comment was made was presumptive which is why you started to hear discourse from the audience. I think over the next 15 years he expands his knowledge and will get better at explaining his stance with a wider understanding of the subject.
@@JUICEelRey That's fair, but even if it is the case that he was presumptive, it is not the moderator's place to suggest anything about the quality of the arguments being presented. Especially in a congressional hearing. That
Seems as though many people here might be conflating "presumptive" with "presumptuous"... Presumptive: presumed in the absence of further information. Presumptuous: failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate. (source: Oxford) Not to mention, the former also has a secondary definition which is strictly used in legal contexts.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of people just support him as a means to point liberals as being wrong. But when it comes to the stuff Coleman is actually talking about here, well, they don't wanna support that either.
Note the "angry faces" looking for a handout. Of which, they'll be back next week/month/year, looking for another handout after they've BLOWN the first one given to them.
KalonOrdona2 I think the moderator was not angry but saw that people didn’t really understand him and tried to ask questions which when answered will try to make clarity of his stand the last two questions for example: 1. What would you tell young people? 2. Explain the article he wrote
if you got clarity from him then you can surely explain why US government should simultaneously 1. not redress the greatest injustice in its history even though it has done so in the past for lesser injustices. 2. pay reparations to people like his grandparents who suffered from Jim Crow, but apparently not from slavery or racist policies like redlining or blockbusting or other racist policies. 3. do anything at all cause clearly there is no systemic racism, because the groups he cited weren't affected by it according to Coleman. good luck
@@the-gadfly4743 Most thread starters or "OP's" of commentaries dont answer question/comments others post directly to them on YTube, i've noticed. Soooooo...... "Good luck with that"
Pretty amazed while skimming through the comments I see both sides represented. Speaks highly to your channel good Sir. Bringing together a diverse audience without censorship is no small feat.
Thomas Sowell taught me to always ask "What is the evidence?". It's amazing how often people blindly accept assertions that don't have a leg to stand on.
We have been specifically excluded from minimum wage law, social security and the GI bill when these programs were enacted. Southern states systematically stole land from black farmers by not allowing them to participate in the same market as whites. Thomas Sowell grew up poor. Why was he poor. Thomas Sowell is an academic he does not live in the real world. College campus is not the real world.
Yea. Too much Sowell and Williams. Don't get me wrong, I really hope Hughes gets into a position to conduct his own influential research, not just parrot talking points.
@@bensmith8240 You are thinking about this backward. The entire fight for a rational view of this is generational. Thomas Sowell was asked how much influence he had on the 20th and 21st century, and his answer was very informative: little to none. Hughes has simply picked up the sword and is trying to champion these same ideas. Sowell and Williams haven't gained traction in the larger community of Americans, because many of those people can't bring themselves to transcend their own cultural biases (I'm talking about ALL races, not just one). All of these great men are trying to point out that things aren't always as they seem.. but to see that, you must know the details and understand their implications. I wish Hughes all the best. I fear he is the proverbial fish fighting the current of a strong/wide river. That takes persistence and courage to do day in and day out.
@@rbarnes4076 This is pretty close to a perfect statement on YT. Well done. I know everyone always drops, "A Conflict of Visions," "Wealth Poverty and Politics," "The Vision of the Anointed," or "The quest for Cosmic Justice," but dear god, "Intellectuals and Society," was a powerhouse of a read. I've read it twice now and I always sharpen my analytical faculties just a little more each time I work my way through it! Coleman seems to be synthesizing the body of knowledge that Sowell has left behind! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectuals_and_Society ua-cam.com/video/ERj3QeGw9Ok/v-deo.html
@@dmonarredmonarre3076 Thanks! I've been interested in ethics and government since I was a kid in the 1960s. Sowell, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, and many others have influenced my thinking about culture, race, and government. Coleman is the latest to the fight, and is proving himself to be of very strong mettle indeed! I'm also a reader of history.. it has been a lifetime fascination. I don't identify with either US political party, since neither party really stands for what I think is needed. Both parties are essentially Statist parties. Anyways.. thanks again! It is very rare to meet people of like mind on YT.
@psychotronik15 I knew some people would buy the propaganda. Peterson really came out on top of that whole situation though. The more people try to take him out the bigger he gets. He's a force of nature.
i understand what Ta-Neshi tries to say, but the facts man, they say different things. Coleman is so educated, bring straight up statistics that actually support his idea.
@@elroco4827 In the absence of empirical data supporting what we say, we don't know what the truth is. Statistics are used in science every day, and those statistics have provided wonderful things like TV, Radio, GPS, Computers, etc. That fact that some people abuse statistics does NOT invalidate the use of statistics. It just says that we need to be careful when using statistics, and on the look out for their misuse. Second.. no matter which side of this subject you stand, people are using statistics to support their points. So then the question becomes, which statistics are correct? As someone from science, I can tell you this. The statistics used by the left are consistently aggregated results, and do not respect the actual differences and variations present in groups described by these aggregated statistics which could invalidate the general statements. This is Coleman Hughes' point, and he is absolutely correct. The statements 'All blacks 'x'' or 'All hispanics 'x'' are definitionally incorrect. There is too much variation between individuals and subgroups in these major classes of people to expect that these statements will ever be true. Statistics are NOT bogus. Hucksterism is what is bogus.. and those folks are the ones that give statistics a bad rap.
@@rbarnes4076 lol there are many people who experienced racism who are alive and some are dead. You mean to tell me because of a damn chart and bogus numbers that systemic race doesn't exist. Yes tell that to the people who experienced this
Yeah, I kinda find myself in the same boat. I get what Ta-Nehasi is saying, and can appreciate it to an extent. I'm also trying to hear him without my bias, which is I'm a conservative and don't agree with a lot of sentiments. However, while he's genuine and makes decent points, I agree with Coleman.
It's actually a pleasure to listen to both of them as they both make sentient points. The fact that one makes more emotional arguments vs more logical is somewhat irrelevant as long as they both are well reasoned and argued. While I agree with Mr. Hughes that it makes no sense to pay reparations to those who are no longer with us, I see a point where there are some still alive that were affected by Jim Crowe and other racially discriminatory laws, policies and practices, Federal, State and Local, that deserve reparations when those practices, essentially, stole their property without just compensation.
The one point I take issue with is lumping Mitch McConnell in with Jim Crowe. McConnell was in his late teens/early twenties as Jim Crowe was being undone and would have had very little, if not nothing, to do with it directly. He may have lived in, and possibly, benefited from it (I honestly don't know), but to lump him in with a system he was born in, raised in, and could not have made much of an impact with, either way is a stretch.
@@bronxkies You damn conservatives are so understanding and listen to all voices and opinions without drowning out or censoring people because they don't agree with you. That's so American and awesome.
one speaks from a position of defeat and revenge...the other from power and progress...one is clearly better for the spirit...imagine how a history of stewing over shit that happened in the past affects the outlook of a people and the people who observe them. its like black people bring a ball and chain everywhere we go...
Really? You heard the stat about black median wealth ( or a lack there of) in inner city Boston. Irish Americans are starting to sqawk about being " the first slaves." They were indentured servants who suffered some chattel. But they, like most light skinned immigrants, were allowed to assimilate. Now they're " white" and have acted as such for damn near two centuries. For all the hell they endured, they now have Boston and NYCPD\FD. You think they're median wealth is only $8 dollars? You talk about a ball and chain. I think most of us would like it cutoff, but certain segments of society won't allow it.
@@noeltaylor3594 so why worry about what someone else wont allow? our median wealth dropped when we started trying to convince them we are equals. before, black folks understood that once a person believes something aint shit you can do to change it except shine on them. blacks built their own society inside of theirs..and we were thriving. they saw that..started hating..then they absorbed our black buisness.. schools..banks..etc. they took our insulated wealth under the guise of integration....then they kicked the men out the house..replaced them w uncle sam..got us all hooked on their mercy. now all we have is shit they control. black industry boils down to entertaining white people..and running black people in circles w the same social justice talking points that convinced us to give up our cards in the first place. solution....stop vollying back the ball. stop talking about the same shit they were talking about in the 50s..stop caring about what white people believe..stop trying to be invited to their dinner table..stop tapdancing for them..start giving your money to black people..start investing sweat equity into YOUR people.......although at this point we all sold our souls to technology..robots not gone give a fuck about no reparations
It's not just a black people thing. Americans are not over slavery; which is why we still see confederate flags and monuments. America has not reconciled with slavery. Look at how Germany treats Nazi-- anything.
@@WeGonBeAlright we built a nation together...slave and master...once it became what it became are the masters supposed to commit seppuku? wouldnt it be easier to look at the situation for what it was and make your way in the land of dreams? they will always look at us as less than...thats the result of white guilt and we allowed ourselves to be enslaved, thats shameful. take what the world has to offer and make your way..thats all that can be done. arguing a point that is understood but is too dark to be acknowledged, is a waste of time.
We're not trying to fix the past. But if you have a limp because 20 years ago you were the victim of a hit and run, do we ignore the past REPARATIONS you're owed that can fix you today because it happened a long time ago? An entire culture of people in America have limps from hit and runs.
The policy decisions done in the last 50 years are a result of the abhorrent way of thinking that has permeated american political decisions since the formation of the nation
@Miguel Ramiro imagine how immigrants who came 10 to 50 years ago are listening to this and think "WTF! Why do I have to pay for slavery 200 years ago? I have nothing to do with that, I am myself a descendant of slaves."
"There is a naive assumption that where ever there is a statistical gap in outcomes between two groups that that gap must be attributable to some form of discrimination. Whether it is overt or systemic." This right here is the truth of most "divisive issues" today and I love that Hughes hits its on the head. A perfect example is the wage gap between men and women. We had a huge movement to eradicate a number-a movement that many still believe to be justified (why wouldn't they? We are speaking about "freedoms"). And that number only exists because of psychology and free will.
@@jessethomas9676 I agree. But it starts in the home. A lot of these ideas are culturally pushed on people. It's hard to blame someone when they are constantly told how they are disenfranchised, less than, or worse than X. It's almost like religion.
Exactly. The worst thing ever was allowing the theory of "adverse impact" into the lexicon of Discrimination, and thus Racism. More Blacks suffer from sickle cell anemia than whites. VOILA. PROOF of Systemic Racism.
I am astounded at how well crafted Coleman's statement was. His was the best argument I have ever heard against monetary reperations. And the comments from this clip are intelligent and mostly courteous. How refreshing!!!
Colman is from a privileged class, both of his parents are not even African Americans why is him in this conversation. This is what lot of black bourgeoisie’s do, and most them comes from elite immigrants groups, when they comes to America they try to be accepted, the first thing they do is start this right wing talking points. Everything Mr Coolman is saying are straight out of Thomas Sowell books. If he is and blacks who support his views are ok, then they don’t have accept what reparations is offer, let those who needed have it
@@dramese There's nothing wrong with Thomas Sowell books he was extremely intelligent, a great orator, and extremely well researched in his field. He did so much for the independent thinking and agency of black individuals. Why would you hate against a beautiful, smart, and successful black man like him? Coleman (not Colman) is influenced by far more philosophical thought than Thomas Sowell and he recognizes that no hand outs will ever settle the matter of slavery, it is not an act that can be paid off monetarily.
@@zarbins I didn’t say something was wrong with his books, I read a lot of them, unlike many of his disciples. He’s ideas is only attracted black people who see whiteness as a norm, thus, proximity to whiteness becomes a higher form of virtue, unconsciously, of course. I was one of those individuals before, but as I mature and learn, I become acceptance of myself and embrace my Africaness. This does not mean there anything wrong with whiteness, in fact many influential people in my life are whites and I respect those individuals. But the moment denied yourself self, you denied the person who I seek to emulate, the experience that person may have learn from me. Conservatives have a lot to teach all of us. But my problems is, when conservatism becomes the gatekeeping of whiteness to some extent, a white supremacy. Many of Thomas sowell accounts of history are a contents rather than an historical account. And I can understand it motive, it’s to provide content for devotion rather then a context for understanding. If you think those are an accurate historical accounts, you need to read more. Even a bias white historians will not put out something like that.
@@zarbinsColeman has “peasant brain”. Rich elites take every dollar offer to them and more. Wealthy elites love handouts from the government. Why shouldn’t black people get reparations when no one else turns down money if they need it or not? They want us to play by some made up rules of fairness that they don’t follow.
@@avishevin1976 If that is true ,it is only becuz they have come to accept the mistreatment that the Diaspora experiences as second class citizens in the United States.... Far from the justice and freedom it proclaims
You're naive to think those people were not simply there to hear what they wanted to hear and have their biases confirmed. Not to mention it's an emotional issue for most and that doesn't do wonders for one's judgement.
Dude he makes so many brazen fallacies suspect to the point where it’s obvious he’s a token schill for conservative special interest money. Bet money he gets paper doing talks for them. Hot commodity
Skyduke I’ll give you an example. He states that being how so many studies on racism and slavery have been made that means this country as a whole acknowledges the atrocities of slavery. That’s not the issue and he intentionally shifts the focus on that. It’s how the public school system educating the masses does not fully discuss the effects of slavery and Jim crow. at that moment I knew what kind of person Coleman is. He’s a shifty merchant of rhetoric and will cite stats when it supports him but also say stats are ineffective when confronted with opposing info.
@Flat Eric The 13th amendment does not allow slavery. It bans slavery. You're twisting that to mean something that it doesn't. You could make the same argument that the family permits a form of slavery because kids have to do what their parents tell them to do and if they don't, the kid can be punished. Parents telling kids what to do is not a form of slavery and a person that got due process and was convicted of a crime, being told where to go and when to sleep and eat is not a form of slavery. That's called punishment.
Coleman speaks from power, he acknowledges slavery and doesn’t put his focus on blame only. He is focused on what’s most important NOW. This is real power
@@zrc1514 because his arguments were flawed, he seemed out of his depth and he has no credentials to back up what he was saying. he didnt even deserve to be up there except that he has raised his hand to be a conservative pawn. there was no power being demonstrated there, just the opposite
When I see Mr. Hughes talking, I imagine in my head Dr. Sowell giving fiery speeches in front of committees and arguing how how bad welfare would effect the minority groups. Now that his predictions came to fruit, I hope Mr. Hughes becomes a renowned person like Dr. Sowell, and hope his ideas won't go to waste.
Sowell would not agree that lazy white southerners are responsible for blacks not working hard enough to get ahead in life? Liberal professors got him by the nose.
I wonder how Sowell feels about resumes with black sounding names summarily trashed without even viewing the color of someone's skin. I didn't think so
The shallow mind hears eloquent words spoken in a confident manner and immediately assumes the rhetoric presupposes the truthful narrative. Some of his points were sound. Some were unsound. His narrative has a whole was a bit flawed. His last point was extremely weak. Just because wealth inequality exist within and between a variety of subgroups does not AUTOMATICALLY negate the possibility of systematic economic inequality at the super group (aggregate) level. A majority super group (whites) oppressed a minority super group (blacks) and subsequently rigged the economic system in their favor for many generations, creating a undeniable gap in wealth between the two super groups. It's not a question of IF this is true but only TO WHAT DEGREE is this true.
@@jamarr81 I think you're right that his narrative as a whole veers into the weakly supported, but I disagree with your comment on his last point. To my ears, it seems Coleman is merely calling into question the syllogism that disparity in outcome is direct evidence of systemic racism. You have, I think, unfairly attributed to him the stronger position that wealth inequality existing between subgroups disproves the theory of systemic racism. You may (perhaps) protest that I am focusing on the wrong issue and distracting from the reality of the matter at hand, and perhaps you would be right were the discussion here about the racial oppression in the US, but if the discussion is about the rhetoric ability and soundness of Coleman's logic, then I think it bears getting the nuance straight on the matter.
@@Sarsanoa you make a good point. I would only add that within the given context trying to discuss the nuances of disparity, and the /truth/ that disparity is naturally occurring and inherent, regardless of intention comes off as dismissive or as an act of sophistry. Let's all acknowledge the clear and objective reality that the generational wealth growth denied/taken to/from blacks by systemic oppression exists. And then when researchers dig into the ramifications and nuances of those actions, they can factor in variables of preexisting disparities from other sources; and we can all debate the degrees to which those factor in. That's what analytics and statistics is for. At the end, he makes that claim that he was just trying to upset the notion that without racism there would be equal outcomes. And that's a fair assessment. The problem is that the majority of blacks are not seeking equal outcomes, merely a fair and level playing field. So he's constructed a strawman fallacy that he then uses to argue his points against. So while I actually agree with him on those nuances of diversity... I don't see the point one way or another as to their particular relevance in this instance. Nor why he felt the need to construct a false narrative to strengthen his point. But maybe I don't have all the context.
@@jamarr81 I think that's a fair criticism (although I share your perspective of perhaps lacking full context of his discussion). I don't think Coleman is intentionally dishonest or irrational, and I'm hopeful that, at his young age, he has a lot of personal growth left in him yet.
"Chill, chill, chill" well he had to speak the language of the natives, you know. "Order in the court" made have been to outside of their capacity to understand.
Don’t disrespect this young man by mentioning his name with Sowell. Sowell is an opportunist who makes a living off of complaining, especially about Black people. With that being said I think both Coates and Coleman are smart and make great points. Coleman can make points about Blacks being against certain things, but what race has a consensus on anything. There are white people who are ashamed to be white based on the actions of some who represent their race. However, I am a proponent of reparations to build Black communities. Most Blacks or anyone for that matter should never receive checks because that won’t help the bigger issue. Since we don’t have a home “country” to build up, we deserve the opportunity to build our own space, just like other races. Systemic racism is real and this young man just hasn’t had it hit him in the face yet. It’s more about economics than race. There has to be a lower class in society and Blacks are it. If we built our own and not try to get white approval we would be better off. Civil Rights killed our economy and led to us losing our sense of self. The longer I am alive the more I realize that Blacks and Whites are not good roommates. I do think these two men are much more similar in thought than it appears.
This is why more blacks should be able to attend Ivy League schools, more education = better opportunity, equal rights to educational backgrounds. Right now we're falling behind as a country.....
@@benjammin6692 There's a pandemic of stupidity throughout the world, but it's not entirely resolved by universities. I do believe that Coleman Hughes would be just as smart as he is without a University. On the other hand, having an attitude towards intelligence and the ability to discuss and dispassionately debate difficult ideas is something that is not being taught all that well in many universities. Most of the stupidest protesters who are tearing down *the very things that allow them their freedom* are coming from people who went to expensive universities. Between blacks and whites, both are failing to cultivate a culture that promotes being educated. The cultures that do best are those cultures that highly value real education. This is not a coincidence.
@@eschelar yes okay I agree with your points and second, the need not just for Ivy league, but also liberal arts, and by that I mean the chance to educate and continue to educate yourself in order to speak intelligently on issues outside your expertise and beyond your lived experiences perhaps. Booksmarts and college education are connected but still can be separate methods for education. I agree: Education alone is not the answer perhaps, perhaps it is rather as Hughes has addressed the need to not just learn from history but to answer it. And that's I take it coming from his background and grounding in philosophical subjects and studies background. But perhaps he can take it on the stage with the likes of Slavoj "Pickles&Beans" Žižek, Doctor "Strangelove" Peterson, getalong with Big Russ "Rocket" Brand's "Under the Skin," Trevor Noah. Those are not necessarily my heroes or podcasts of choice per se these days but they do have a large following online to-date with their speeches and podcasts and Coleman might do well to get onair with them? And there are more things he can do obviously to educate others and no, he is not just some privileged kid speaking from a pulpit about "black America." He is speaking intelligently in plain English. No, not new but a breath of fresh air in a heated climate, so to speak.🤔
@@benjammin6692 I have always believed that education is individual. I have traveled abroad for my studies and learned to speak multiple languages as well. The way to become educated is to educate yourself. This is an active sense, not passive. Because of this, I believe actually that the liberal arts have some important literature, and there is a great importance for the ability to be competent in verbal combat skills in the arena of debate, but many of these liberal arts have become weighted far in excess of their value and merit. They will never be as important or as correct as a scientific field of study. The above video is an excellent example of this as Coates is clearly just as educated as Hughes, has access to all the same information as Hughes and is just as, if not *more* persuasive in his speaking manner. The only problem that arises is that Coates has not polished his logic as well as Hughes. So while he speaks persuasively and passionately, his ideas are flawed. This is particularly a problem because if your ideas are flawed, but you are skilled at persuading people, that can only have one outcome. Bad. This does not mean Coates is a bad man. It means only that he is missing some fundamental skills in the application of logic. The missing content there is with dealing with reality. Hughes uses statistics in a different way from Coates. Coates uses statistics to prop up his narrative. Hughes uses the statistics to *form* his narrative. Coates digs through statistics to find detailed points that help support what he wants to say. Hughes digs through statistics to find detailed points so can understand what needs to be said. I believe Hughes thinking style comes from a place of science. The idea in science is that you make observations and determine truth from the observations. Hughes is not afraid of statistics. He is not afraid that statistics might show him to be wrong. This is because he is already aware of statistics on a broad scale and formulates his beliefs upon what the statistics show. He does not allow himself to fall into the trap to determine truth and choose observations that match that. That is a major component of ideology. Science and scientific thinking are an antidote to ideology. Ideology cannot survive within a science weighted perspective. Liberal arts on the other hand does not have a strong foundation in the scientific method. Ideas come forth that have no basis whatsoever in anything close to real. And this is 100% appropriate and correct - for liberal arts. If science is the search for the truth of what is, philosophy is the questioning of that. The role of science is to observe and deduce. The role of philosophy is to question and try to find the flaws in the armor. Philosophy aids the search for truth by opposing truth, even when it appears that the truth is even more firmly established. There is an idea within philosophy (forgive me, I've forgotten whose idea this is) that when something becomes more and more known, the greater the likelihood that it is not true. This is obviously false, but it's not a statement of how things are, it's a statement of attitude. It's a mission statement, a goal. The more something is *perceived* to be true, the more that idea must be challenged with ever stronger rigor. The problem is that this is poorly understood and people forget that the primary objective for this stance it to refine the truth through fire, not to dismantle it. Philosophy must then be able to entertain an idea that comes from nothing and has no substantiation at all. It is occupied then with the act of applying those questions and creating substantiation - I call it "finding the edges" of science, from a position on the opposite side of science and observation. It is possible to go too far with this. Philosophy sits opposite to science, but it is not science. It sits at the center of the liberal arts because it is the mechanism for which the liberal arts come to be - a point of interaction between liberal arts - the creative mind and science - observations and logic. Even without the scientific method within, it still plays an important role in the scientific method because it represents the challenge to any observation that is required for the hardest scientific standard, namely that of truth: Prove that it is true. Then prove that it is never not true. Only then do you know it is true. This standard is extremely difficult to achieve in almost every setting, so philosophy has a tremendous scope of activity where it remains useful, appropriate and relevant. But we should never forget that it is the mirror we hold up for truth, not the truth itself.
@@eschelar that's very interesting. I have always sought myself to define things from what they are not which is the Socratic method I take it but was not aware that it was the philosophical mode of a liberal arts education. Perhaps logically so! Specifically I agree on sciencevsphilosophy and suppose that it's always helpful to approach subjects from either standpoint whether scientific or philosophical. You have perhaps unknowingly quasirefined my lens towards most every subject and have just redefined my sense of self for perhaps in regards to the socials, youtube included, I occasionally have sought to clarify my philosophical viewpoints approaching subjects from that angle. But being a reader first, I had not realized that I was being conditioned to become a philosopher! But perhaps such is the way of things and I take it you too are of a liberal arts background? It is indeed good to have such self realization and in order to change the world we must change ourselves or else perhaps become fully realized as individuals. I think that is the grievous error of our ways, this not knowing about ourselves which indeed science seeks to answer however far behind it is behind philosophy in the first and even literature. All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth - Aristotle
Absolutely. I love Coleman Hughes, but I also love Coates. I think they are both legitimately trying to do the right thing. Others are opportunistic grifters.
I'm latino and black. I don't believe in or would I accept it. There is no systemic racism. There is only racism. I have success in life because of this great country
And because you probably had the following: a mother and father who taught you morals and hard work. You probably at least graduated from HS. You probably are not a drug user You probably have been taught personal responsibility, You probably value family
JDK K I’m not black but I’m a Latino who grew up in a poverty stricken city and yes.... that list is the main problem. I grew up on the negative side of this side of this list.. I’m finally growing out of it and I recently figure out that anyone can make it out of poverty. It’s a mindset all low class people need to change.. mind family are starting to call me white for being successful..
So because we have success and we see others struggling due to systematic racism, then its okay? Try to think beyond the I's and the Me's because this discussion is about a group of people that are struggling and doing the most hideous of things to get by - in some cases. Too many of us have forgotten what it was like to struggle and the metaphysical wall of racism, pulling us further and further into desperation. Well, I haven't and if systemic racism brought them to this condition, then it should bare the costs of repairing the damage that has been done. No, it won't save everyone but it would give them a thread to sew more material onto the rope they are hanging onto and a few more may be able to pull themselves up
10:24 “Chill, chill chill chill. He was presumptive but he still has a right to speak.” WTF?! Well sir, you’re pompous and you probably shouldn’t speak.
I assume in formal language "presumptive" means speaking before being called on to speak. I think it's normal procedure. Though saying "chill" isn't very professional.
@@boliussa Yes, you're right - only an American could understand the context around why saying 'chill' in this instance is pompous and cringe-worthy. Walk up to an emotional black brother or sister in America and tell him/her to 'chill' and watch what happens. After they've ripped you a new one then you can respond with your "by American standards it's ridiculous that you're upset..." as you run away.
@@thegreattesm But he didn't (speak before being called on). In any case, agreed that it was just plain unprofessional - a simple "order" or "quiet please" would have sufficed.
ive watched this several time. coleman is mind blowing. he changes the way you think. the more i listen to it with the absence of emotion, its incredible how sharp dude is
I'm shocked that people think this guy is smart. Both guys make unintelligent arguments at times but Coleman's get outright ignored. Like how he equates studying a topic (slavery) to knowing a lot about. Studies have shown students are very misinformed about the history of slavery.
They need that old granny from “Airplane” who spoke “jive” to translate!😂😂...it’s too bad we’ll never see that type of humour on screen again😕..thanks libtards!😬👌🏼
That was hugely what stood out to me first. Secondly the fact that he called Coleman Hughes presumptive. It is a very old argument that freedom should level out the equality of opportunity but NOT of outcome. Because it is true, and it does. Ever notice that regardless of race, in the vast majority of cases, the more successful a person the more articulate and well versed in more things they are? It doesn't have to do with "talking white." It has to do with a spirit of anger, rebellion, and unforgiveness. The desire to separate America by race. For example, at 18:48, despite how well spoken he is, Mr. Coates says "aks". Culturally I don't suspect Mr. Hughes has all that much in common with Mr. Coates.
I hope beyond hope that Coleman continues to work in the public sphere. His words are profound and he is dedicated to self-reflection and deep thought- something terribly lacking amongst the loudest American public figures. I'm proud he is my countryman.
Well said but couldn’t reparations be made in other forms rather than simply writing a check? I feel like we should offer black Americans completely free access to college, incentivize teachers with higher pay to work in underprivileged areas, offer lower home mortgage rates, and create other programs that aim not just to write off the atrocities of the past but to actively invest in the future of those who have been oppressed for too long.
Buck Deniston You’re changing the subject. You’re talking about paying back some owed debt. I’m talking about retributive justice for those wronged by slavery. In tort law, various types of damages can be ruled against a defendant to rectify the wrong/losses, namely compensatory and punitive damages. Compensatory damages, like the name suggests, are intended to compensate the injured party for loss or injury. Black Americans are owed some form of compensation for the damages inflicted upon them. I’m not blaming all white people for slavery but the United States Government certainly is and has a responsibility to rectify its mistakes. The federal government has been sued for wrongdoings countless times. This isn’t anything new.
Buck Deniston I may not have adequately explained why I think you’re changing the subject. It appears you don’t understand what reparations are. I’m not being condescending but I do want to define the term so it’s clear why your comment is off topic. Reparations - the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
Man this makes me thing of relationships. The one who spends the rest of his life letting his ex affect his life and mood will forever live in unhappiness. The man that decides to move on and seek the future because the past couldn’t offer him it, will live much more happily.
@@az7660 🤦🏻♂️my guy, the white people of today have not held any slaves, nor have they gone out of their way to make life hard for black people. You're comparing two totally different things. If I were to take your comment literally, it would mean white people are the perpetrators and black people are the victims. That may have been the case decades ago, but not now. We've had a black president for 2 terms ffs. There is no hindrance to the success of any black person except their own willingness and hunger, and their own culture. ( *disclaimer* ) I'm speaking in general terms coz of course there are white people and black people and people of every colour that are racist. But they do not constitute the majority, atleast today.
JUSTANOTHERWEEB I think your points are fair. But the relationship I’m referring to is that between the American government and its black citizens. America would not be the prosperous nation it became without the free labour of black people, thus all Americans - including successful black Americans- owe their own prosperity today to chattel slavery. I am NOT saying that black people cannot succeed in America, they can. I’m saying they have not benefited from wealth their ancestors earned and deserved. Black “successes” occur despite not having access to this wealth. Also, there are structural hurdles to black people accumulating wealth TODAY which Coates outlined clearly and repeatedly in this talk. There are also so many other examples and resources for this information. Last point, you say inequality is an issue of culture. Are Barack or Hughes not products of black culture? If black people are to forfeit their culture to access wealth, what are they meant to replace it with? White culture? It can’t be American culture, because they built the country - it can’t get more American than that.
I must have misinterpreted what happened when Hughes finished his intro. It seemed like a disgusting few people booed him, and then the chairman responded to this outburst called him "presumptive", but said he still had the right to speak. If that's what happened, that Congressman is absolutely despicable, and incompetent at his role as chairman. I know that's redundant. But it bears mentioning...that worthless fraud should not have supported the booing idiots by saying Hughes daring to disagree with that bad bill is "presumptive". Disgusting. His job, as chairman, is to be objective about such things. But it's become normal for machiavellian congresscritters to abuse hearings in order to one-sidedly advocate for their own shallow political position, attacking the people speaking in order to virtue signal. And they're arrogant enough to think that anyone who criticizes their bill is, indeed, presumptive. How dare the proles be so uppity as to presume they might have some valid opinion?
Agreed as well. I had to play that part back to see if I heard him correctly. Even looked up the meaning of the word "presumptive" to see if it was the same word I was hearing. That last sentence you said was powerful....absolutely no right to insert their opinion.
@@sub-harmonik he is wrong that civil rights leaders and abolitionists favored race neutral policies. No credible academic can read primary sources and come away with conclusion. A principled scholar would not use modern context for race neutrality and impart that to historical figures so arrogantly
Actually this dude Coleman is an idiot.. he said reparations shouldn't be given because the victims that are owed are all dead.... What an asinine thing to say! So you mean the daughter of a slave isn't a victim of slavery... the trauma of seeing her mother dehumanised... how about the granddaughter of a slave... is she not a victim bcz slavery destroyed her family history and she has no idea about her lineage or identity??... she might not be a slave... but do you think she hasn't been victimised/ hurt by slavery... A female black american poet once said in a line of one of her poems... "You claim you have no racial advantage because you have no history of wealth in your family... but I don't even know my family history at ALL" She isn't a slave, but do you think she hasn't been profoundly negatively affected by slavery.... Well she's living today!! Believe it or not!!.. there are still many many victims of slavery still here with us today!
No amount of money will undo the injustices done to our ancestors or ease the pain of that legacy. Money will do nothing to fix the cultural problems of single-motherhood feeding the crazy homicide rates of our young men. The only ‘reparations’ we should have are investments into our schools to teach resilience and personal individual responsibility. Only a community of responsible resilient individuals can rise above the legacy of slavery....
Wanda Woman .. I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Your absolutely correct. Personally I don’t believe blacks want chance, they just want to make a point about change. Social requirements & injustices etc etc etc but to actually live & be as they claim? I doubt it in a collective sense. The HR40 issue is more about practicality than if it’s deserving. Anyone who doesn’t see that is reaching for straws.
Well said. We need to stop valuing the tangibles and value more the intangibles like self discipline, self love and educational achievements instead of killing each other for running shoes. Its a total perversion of values.
I don't know there is a person who disagrees with anything Coates says. The issue about reparations is that it doesn't make sense to tax me to pay for an ambiguous financial givings without a limit or way to signify when it's done. I'm white. But my family didn't come to this country till after slavery. My family never owned another human being. My family never had power over over another human being. Furthermore, when I was a child my family was homeless. I did not attend college beyond what I could get in the form of a handout with community college. I had crap jobs for most of my life, I barely made more than minimum wage. Now I have a good job and I have a family. Taking money from me to give to someone else is immoral in my view simply because of the color of my skin. Everything Coates speaks of has nothing to do with me or my family. I don't deny the things he says, but I reject the idea that I have to pay for them simply because of a black/white dichotomy.
Congratulations on your personal success, brother. your answer goes to the heart of what Mr. Hughes was saying, reparations should have been immediately paid directly to the "victims" of slavery from the "perpetrators" of slavery in order to achieve the desired justice.
Well, sorry but this nation was built by their work of hand so you are reaping the benefit of their work in some way. You are also one person and sorry, that is not a good enough reason to not repay past cruelty. You pay taxes for lots of things you don't approve of everyday anyways. Why is it ok for other marginalized group to receive reparations but not AAs? smh. Btw we can clearly still see the impact of slavery and Jim crow till today, (no group of people just wake up and decides to be lazy together). The terrible circumstances and systemic racism is what has led to the issues AAs face today. Stop thinking of just yourself and have some empathy for a grup that their fore fathers built this nations and now they are being incarcerated due to a system that keep marginalizing them and failing to acknowledge their issues.smh. I am african btw which means I will be paying taxes for AAs reparations as well. stop the bias and actually be fair. smh
@@kodedm1 did you just say that you as an AA taxpayer, would be paying reparations?!?! how you do not recognize the lunacy of that statement is beyond me. I am nobody's victim, I am a full grown man, master of my own destiny. I take the credit for my successes and the blame for my failures, this is how I choose to face the world.
@@tnttim9 no bro you are a lunatic. The government paying doesn't mean my taxes will increase. Resources can simply be diverged from services such as over policing. You pay taxes to implement laws and policies you don't agree with anyways. And the US is rich enough to pay for AA reparations without directly taxing poor Americans. Just stop with the bs about making your own money. You still broke af compared to your white counter part. They are owed those earning their parents and great grand parents could not pass down to them. Lunatic. Use your brain and stop being black and white. Reparations won't solve everything but it will surely provide them with greater opportunity to succeed and actually experience the "American dream".
His fundamental argument, that a debt cannot be inherited, is false. This is a class action lawsuit period and you can inherit from the original beneficiaries. He needs to go ahead and finish law school before he opens his mouth on this topic!!
@@tijan8948 What about moral debts, which were what he talked about? Should Italians pay damn near everybody around the mediterranian for what the Romans did? I guess not. Stick to law/economics, moral philosophy's not your area.
generic username it’s not a moral debt it’s an actual one. The US government taxed Ill gotten income from slave labor. The descents have a right to restitution. There is precedent. Georgetown U paid descendants of the 200 people they sold to save the university. Germany is still paying haulocaust survivors. Cigarette companies are paying the states for damages relating to smoking. It’s basically like a class action law suit. It shouldn’t be controversial, it’s the law.
@@tijan8948 I think you are missing the point of practicality. The idea that reparations could ever be fairly implemented is preposterous. First, would whites whose descendants never owned slaves pay reparations? Or Black people who aren't descendants of slaves receive reparations? Such as blacks & whites that migrated to the U.S. well after slavery was abolished? How about people that are mixed race? would they take money from one hand and put it in the other? What about whites with descendants that fought in the civil war that died fighting the confederacy to free the slaves? Are they due compensation? Also, what if a white person descendant of slave owners is poor.. And a black person descendant of slaves is wealthy? Does one still have to chip in to reparations and does the other still receive? Then also, how much compensation are we talking about per person? $1,000? $10,000? $50,000 per person? Then once reparations are paid out, does that mean that this obnoxious non-conversation about slavery and racism has been concluded, never to be brought up again? Yeah right, as if that'll happen. Lastly do you think it'll actually help? Or perhaps create even more division among people? ...And can you imagine a gov't entity that would actually try to execute this plan in a way that was fair and reasonable. It would never happen. The cost of the research along to figure this all out would cost more then the value of the reparations itself. It's a total pipe-dream.
Even though I may not necessarily agree with Mr Hughes, its refreshing and encouraging to see any black person that dares to display his thoughts on such a grand stage regardless of how controversial or unpopular they may be. All black men and women should aspire to be so free, authentic and courageous.
@Stephen Pierson your broke ass didn't make your own wealth. You thugs obtained it through our blood sweat and tears, while your people supervised! Now say thank you for my forced free labor and the infrastructure we built by hand and pay me my damn money! My children and grandchildren deserve property, a good education, and a head start just like yours. What the fuck are you afraid of? OUR SUCCESS!
@@mareshahisrael2170 There is not a chance that you were involved in slave ownership, so there was no "forced free labor" that you partook in, yet you group yourself in with ancestors that you likely never even met who have suffered things that you aren't even able to comprehend. We are also in 2019. Even in good school districts, statistics show that the black population tend to do worse in grades and success than whites. Truth be told, Asians do considerably better than any other race. The truth is, that blacks, even when given the opportunity, are not taking it. This can be blamed on their home life more than anything. To do anything productive, remove the finger pointing and victim mentality in your home life and teach your children the value of effort in perseverance. Also, the black men that impregnate women and then leave the child in a broken home are equally responsible. All of that is personal choice, nothing systemic about it. No one forces these men to leave the woman they impregnated. Black children in schools have the same opportunities as their white classmates to learn and to succeed, only they choose not to. Yes, there are plenty of racists in the world, just as there are plenty of homophobes, sexists, and outright vile people. But, no one is more responsible for your current situation than yourself.
You're right. Sally Hemings wrote the Declaration of Independence, framed the Constitution, served two terms as President, conducted the Louisiana purchase, and was one of the foremost philosophers of her era. Nope, I thought not.
That's black vernacular, he's trying to show the panel and the audience that he speaks the language, he finds it difficult keeping this Forum professional.
It's because the modern statistics don't show systemic racism at all. They need to go back in time and remind all the people who weren't even alive at the time, that they must pay the cost of being the victims and the slave masters again. These people are twisted.
Two black men presenting their subjective positions with respect and dignity I totally disagree that either one was more emotional and or less critical. Lovely session
The descendants of imperialists struggle to confront the truth of their ancestors' actions. The burden of conscience, while believing themselves to be civilized, is deeply condemning. In the pursuit of civility, justice, and true judgment, blame must be assigned; without it, how can we ever arrive at the truth? Accepting one's deeds is the first step toward healing between the victim and the perpetrator of violence. The rapist must be held accountable for their egregious behavior, as must the thief and the murderer. This accountability is the foundation of reconciliation and the formation of a just society. The dysfunctionality of the victim cannot be attributed solely to the rapist; nevertheless, the greatest trauma must be examined first, and our root cause analysis leads us to the act of rape. The victim demands justice. As long as justice is deferred, amends cannot be made. To ease the burden of conscience, the perpetrator of the crime seeks comforting words to excuse their brutality while they continue to indulge in a false self-image that separates them from their criminal past. In their quest to justify their inhumanity, they listen to those who speak in their favor - individuals who, out of trauma, adopt a self-deprecating stance, confusing survival with well constructed arguments. As a result, the victim placates the rapist, who remains free and retains the power to commit the same crime again. This survival mechanism arises because the very system that violated the victim's humanity - the court and the law - also serves as the perpetrator. We are blinded by our own arrogance, anchored to a reality built upon a false sense of self. But if humanity cannot judge truthfully, then time will.
Thank you for this video. I lean towards Hughes but I need to listen to the opposing arguments as well ergo I've been listening to several James Baldwin videos (learning quite a lot or attempting to)
When I was 22, despite being in my last year at Oxford, I spent most of my time in bars, pissed and talking shit. These blokes make me feel I've wasted what used to be a half-decent brain.
10:20 "he was presumptive but he still has a right to speak". He was presumptive?? Wtf kind of kangaroo council is this? Why is he making qualitative judgements about Coleman's statements there?
@@moonlitegram biases are the base we build our beliefs he had a bias that was deep in there but hey at least they even let him speak some black people don't even get that far
Coleman is miles ahead of coates. Coates makes a beautiful frame that taps into emotion. Then he sprinkles in specific references to history. While he says we should take the whole of history into account, then we should take the bad and good together. He doesnt do that. He highlights the negative aspects and downplays any notion that a fight against those negative aspects took place from all americans, which led us to actually voting barack obama into office because he was the best candidate we had. He would have been reelected in 2016 if it was legal. What led to THAT is nothing coates would prefer to discuss unless it puts white americans into a negative box.
MsFreshadenu but Coates writes for the Atlantic and is a best selling author. He is one of the country’s leading intellectuals. Coleman is still in school
@@tijan8948 you're not wrong about coleman being in school or coates being a best selling author, tho its a huge stretch to consider coates of the country's leading intellectuals. He's not. He's just a popular writer. If you'd like to judge them based on what they've done so far instead of what they've said, then ill direct you to look into shelby steele and Coates talking on something similar. Look into shelbys career. Do you agree more with shelby because of his accomplishments? Or nah? While you're at it, check another writer for the atlantic (john mcwhorter) speaking to coates on bloggingheads just before obama was elected and see if you recognize the talking points coates had before he blew up. He changed his narrative and it made him money. He writes that way because it makes him richer. Its what people want to read. Its not because its all true. Its just beautifully written
no he just validates your racist feelings and whenever you get called a racist you can hold him up like "see this black man said exactly what i agree with"
Because he speaks clearly and intelligently? I hate the stereotype that a black person isn't really black unless they have a thick accent with improper English.
@@eddiesengola4491 That's a lovely theory. Except that this isn't a "white" view. Views don't have color. Don't be a racist. If you think he's wrong, show how he's wrong. He actually gave data. Coates is just all emotion. Sorry, that's not how reality works.
There were no federal pensions for confederate soldiers, pretty misleading statement at the beginning there. Some southern states did that, but only Union soldiers and families received pensions on a federal level for the Civil War.
Coates: "disparity, ergo slavery, jim crow, and racism." Coleman: "why do you expect disparity to be the exception and not the norm?" This is exactly what our culture is struggling with, hard.
That’s an accurate depiction of their stances more or less but I feel like it demonstrates the err in Coleman’s premise. Equality of outcome is foolish and has never been the aim. However, equality of opportunity or the lack thereof is the single greatest ideal this country has staked its existence on.
@@AdamEdn I'm not 100% following on what Coleman's err is by your comment. Do you mind clarifying a bit? Your comment on equality of outcome being a disastrous goal to have vs equality of opportunity being a noble goal to have, I agree with this 100%. I just don't see how you're lining it with Coleman's point is all. Thanks in advance!
Coates's did make some decent arguments that I understood, and I thought they had merit. The thing that is so maddening about these activist types, is they dismiss very valid arguments without so much as side note or second thought. Hughes brought up the fact that there are disparities "within" ethnic groups given different nationalities, that is normal, then Coates dismisses it and brings up disparities in his very next point as proof of systematic racism. The biggest problem I see with reperations is simple, if we did pay reperations, if I got taxed just for being a white person, would that make up for slavery? Would we be even? Of course not, these race hustlers who make a living off of claiming racism everywhere will simply move the goal post, they will most definitely claim that it makes up for nothing, and the reparations need to go further, more, and more, and more needs to be done. Literally nothing will be an acceptable amends, so why do this big spending bill to make an apology that will not be accepted?
I actually agree with some of what you are saying and disagree with other points. I don't believe it is practical (although logical) to pay every descendant of slaves in America. The task is impossible. But reparations for those that lived through Jim Crow and Civil Rights, who fought in wars and were denied benefits afforded whites, who were denied loans based on color and not credit or work ethic should be addressed. The problem is that American has continually added lip service to a problem they created and refuse to deal with every generation. Reparations were requested and voted against since the end of slavery. It is not new. But the truth is that if more than 1/2 th wealth created in this country during slavery was because of slavery then that should be addressed. America was in no position to expand this country or build this country without that money created by brutality. NYSE bought and sold slaves. Colleges bought and sold slaves. Banks allowed the use of slavery as collateral. Railroads used slaves. Blacks were incarcerated and used as slaves in coal mines. There is not one aspect of this country that slavery or black prison labor (now known to be the 2nd slave form) was not a part of. And whites benefited from the fruit of that torture (often unknowingly) since this country was founded. Slave owners were given reparations but not the slaves. Their families benefited twice. We are continually put in he position of telling the government why reparations of some sort is necessary and deserving when they should have to dig through the annuls and prove why it is not deserving. The only argument they ever have is, we weren't alive then. And they are running out the clock so that Jim Crow survivors will all die and they can say, well they aren't alive now. It has always been a game and a sham. Besides America has paid reparations in the past (to slave owners for loss of property - now that is mucked up) and they have received reparations.
@@denisesalt9729 I agree with some of what you said, the first part, but the idea that half of this country's wealth was built through slavery is false, WW2 was actually the birth of the US as a super power, and slavery was not nearly that profitable, the north was far far wealthier than the south and the south was the ones with all the plantations, I just heard Ben Shapiro talking about this, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but he brought a bunch of examples, and made the point that free market capitalism always outperformed slave labor, turns out enslaving a population and having them work in horrendous conditions with no reward, is not a sustainable business model, and does not produce the best results, relative to an engaged workforce of free people that is.
If you ask for handouts right or wrong you risk being considered by everyone else as freeloaders, I think this is what would happen in reality, reparations from others who weren't even alive during slavery would only buy black people the contempt of the rest of the population, it's like getting free poison.
Well just looking at certain areas that are "gethoized" it would make sense to create some programs that assists people to uplift themselves from those hellish conditions that are at least partly the heritage of slavery and systemic racism. As for taxing white people. Here in Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall, west germans payed what was called Solidaritätszuschlag (something like a solidarity tax) to uplift those impoverished parts of eastern Germany that lived through the communist regime. So it is possible, since we also payed reperarions to holocaust survivers after WW2. These things are not that uncommon it just seems americans are very reluctant to handle such problems since it tarnishes their inflated hyper nationalist self-image.
@@jeangold8789 What do you know about America? Your German, so who are you to act like you know anything about us? Germans paid money to Holocaust survivors? Like they were directly affected? The Germans who paid were direct participants in a gross atrocity? How is that the same as paying hundreds of years later? How is it the same when we have had so many new arrivals, whose ancestors either weren't slaves, or whose ancestors did not enslave anyone? Please tell me how America's original sin, that the bloodiest war in American history was fought to end, is the same as you white supremacists trying to kill off an entire race and conquer the world? Not that long ago either. How can you, a German, play the moral high ground with us? Huh?
Mr. Coleman is so intelligent. I personally agree with Mr. Coates, but I can't wait to see how Coleman's views evolve. He's on to something and has helped see the holes in my own argument. I cant wait for him to publish some books.
I enjoy listening to him speak and his ideas will evolve over time like all of us as we get older. Not being patronising but isn’t he a little bit inexperienced to be asked to be involved in something as serious and complex as this?
@@jondazeishere I think it depends on how well you have read, and your life experiences. were he a teenager I might be more inclined to agree. but mid twenties isn't too young to have an informed opinion
The booing that happened after the second man spoke was absolutely unbelievable. Summed up the black culture in a nutshell. The second mans speech was amazing and phenomenal, how you boo that is baffling.
@@cooleekbrown1728 not about that my brother. its called Truth and Reconciliation. Mandela and Desmond Tutu ran that process in South Africa and helped the country peacefully transition to black majority democracy
@Fortescue no because black people will spend it on stupid shit like belt buckles, fast food, cars, and designer clothes, instead of saving it for future generations like any half educated human being.
Whenever we accept the devils olive branch of victimhood, we always sacrifice our soul for the excuse. We only experience the outcome individually so why not hold onto your god given sovereignty?
My great great grandfather was a former slave and had over 400 acres of land that he distributed to his children in MS. He was a MAN, not a victim and wasn't expecting to get reparations nor a hand out.
A famous civil rights leader said many times the American people do more for the humanities in our country than all the politicians, celebrities, pro athletes, educators, and institutions put together. I agree.
Thank you so so so much for not insulting my intelligence by titling this video "So-and-so DESTROYS What's-his-name!!!". You're willing to let the viewers watch and decide for ourselves, and you have no idea how much I appreciate that. Thank you.
but Coates did destroy the puppet..
@@nicolekinzonzi1832 Coates is like a lot of other celebrities. He's not special, he's part of a very saturated group of the same opinions.
@@genericign saturated?
he meant the political pundit group is saturated with people like Coates
he meant race hustlers like coates are practically running the dnc
"He was presumptive, but he still had a right to speak." Holy cow.
"chill"
That was so annoying. It's not that guy's place to editorialize and it's obviously virtue signaling for him.
Was he presumptive about victimizing people through reparations? That's what I got from it.
@@bradthompson5383 every white person in america does
Yes, that was annoying.
I’m a black woman. Descendant of slaves and I love America. I love what this country has become. I love all ppl. It’s about your character, values and morals. It’s about now.
I love hearing strong black voices in these matters. Thank you so much for yours♥️
So George Floyd’s character and values and morals is what caused his death? Or was it due to racism?
Dwaine Jade both. I understand you want a dispute.
Dwaine Both. IT was a crime. THAT incident was a tragic crime. Justice is being served.
@@Dwainegnd you could say that his values and morals put him in that spot to have that crime committed against him. which doesn't excuse the crime obviously. if you are a man of solid morals, strong character. no drug user, ex convict allegedly passing out fake bills like George then you shouldnt run into the police that often but even if you do you tend to act different too.
The fact that people would boo at 10:20 after a black man just basically said he doesn't want to be judged by the color of his skin is astounding to me.
the fact that white people killed MLK for saying the same thing, but now want to hold him up as some kind of role model is astounding to me.
The fact that party that is “for” black people, was the party of slavery, kkk, jim crow, and people still support it is astounding to me.
@@Marcusaurelius913 Comments like these are the determining factor in how I can tell who is uneducated in American history. Please research Goldwater, Dixiecrats, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Southern Democrats are now confederate flag waving Nascar fans. The parties switched. Not to mention the fact that "Republican" in Lincoln's time was basically the Whig party, which Lincoln ascribed to. It was pro-taxes and favored more federal government, aka the modern Democratic party. But believe whatever you want.
TenTonNuke the democratic party and republican party never switched, that is a myth. Second Lincoln was the first Republican president and was never apart of the Whig Party, idk where you got that. Second democrats opposed the civil rights act and the republicans supported it. Maybe you should do some research.
Black people shouldn’t have to agree with him because he’s black. It’s not about just individual judgment it’s also about how they’re judged without their choice by other races.
80% of that room is having a hard time swallowing that red pill...
Lol they see that free money going right out the window.
@Jonathan Rodriguez.
First, agreed.
Second, red pill in this instance represents people rejecting a mass hysteria that has been going on for years.
LOTS of data indicate that systemic racism is NOT a thing, and that the american descendants of slaves have much worse outcomes in comparison to:
African immigrants
Caribbean immigrants
East Indian immigrants (they all have dark skin like the africans do).
Racism can't be the reason for these disparities, which means something else is in play. Since this hasn't been studied at all, we don't know the actual reasons.. we can only surmise.
80% would prefer comforting lies vs inconvenient truths.
How is this going to work. Do I also have to pay even though we only arrived in 1970? And do the African immigrants also get to cash in even if they have only been here since the 90's. What if I am 1/6th black? This is stupid.
@@normanberg9940 It's worse. For "government" to pay reparations, it would need to take that money away from the citizenry first (ie. taxes). So we're going to have Americans who weren't alive during that time, maybe whose families immigrated here many decades after slavery ended, paying the "reparations"? Do Tiger Woods and Denzel Washington get checks, or are they helping foot the bill?
"He was presumptive, but he still has a right to speak..." What a twerp.
Chill chill chill chill yo!
What did he mean by that?
I know. What was that about
A presumptive white congressman calling an educated, articulate black man, "presumptive." Wow. 🤨
Good thing Mr Hughes didn't call him out right then & there by proclaiming the senator, "a presumptive racist" and offering proof of it by conflating (a favorite tool/ploy of the lefty Dems) the bucket of chicken that THAT same Senator broke out in chambers not too long ago, as a slight upon Black people (like Popeyes; Churches Fried Chicken; Watermelon; etc.)
Too bad he didn't do so. He may've started a riot with the restless natives in the back there and given those reparation presumptive congressmen what they do richly deserve. 😎 #beatdown
@@kargs5krun hes super intelligent and totally keeps his calm and man hes way smarter than those interviewing him
You're either focused on the problem or you're focused on the solution.
Why not both?
Stefan Langenhoven Focusing on the problem usually counts every wrong and tends to breed a victim mentality. That result is not specific to race related issues. Focusing on solutions usually creates freedom of ones mind and solves problems without giving the problems power. Problems become nothing but a temporary obstacle. You tend to count the things you have rather than focus on the things you don’t.
@@stefanlangenhoven78 Did you watch the video? Hughes makes excellent arguments for why focusing on the problems themselves does nothing to solve them. "Our desire to fix the past, compromises our ability to fix the present." "There is a difference between acknowledging history, and allowing history to distract us from the problems we face today."
@@beverlyf6603 seems like much of history is still effecting the present. A history many people seem to refute or not know
@@stacihilliard3761 "There is a difference between acknowledging history, and allowing history to distract us from the problems we face today."
Mr Coleman Hughes is speaking 'common sense', how brilliant his communication, theory, opinions based off of facts and suggestions are. How are more people not getting it? I'm with him 100%! and BTW, check out the GREAT work the DOE Fund is doing in NY......
It’s so rare to see a non-click bait title, thank you!
I have heard this term before, what does "click bait" mean? 🙄
1bikeman OnDaMoV click bait is when the person posting the video uses emphasis to manipulate a narrative in the title of the video. Usually using all caps to say things like “Hughes OBLITERATES Coates and ends his career while speaking to the house”
@@listener84 BIGGEST ASS ON THE PLANET!
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@John Hillman 😃
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“He was presumptive but he still has the right to speak” being said by the moderator made my blood boil
It probably shouldn't. As I've commented elsewhere below this video, it's likely (though I can't speak for him) that he meant he was being presumptive insofar as H.R.40 is not some mainline to reparations automatically being paid, but is, more accurately, meant to (as Coates says starting @19:50) to "convene a committee...to study what exactly the damage was, and what potential remedy might be offered, and also to convene conversations around the country." So, some nuance there, which it seems - by the tone of the comments here - many people would gladly overlook, so as to say Coates simply and selfishly and emotionally wants some automatic, impulsive payment...that isn't the case.
To be clear, Coates says in this video that he isn't ruling out "cutting checks", but he's also not by any means blindly demanding that. I can't say I know what resources this committee would require, or how budgeting around it works, and I don't know if Hughes has some objection to its mere formation on quantitative/budgetary/allocative grounds. The irony, though, in people calling Coates "emotional" and and Hughes "critical", etc. is that much of Hughes argument is actually qualitative, with some statistics/numbers offered to bolster it. This isn't to say Coates offered some calculus and complete theory of reparations here, but what he is actually, explicitly, and ultimate suggesting is a committee to study, and arrive at both qualitative and quantitative conclusions, whatever they might be.
Anyway, if anyone wants to look at the actual text of H.R.40, even if it leads you to the same conclusions/reactions, you can here: www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/40/text
I think that kinda threw Coleman off too. But I agree with the moderator. I think Coleman is brilliant!!! But his argument at the time that comment was made was presumptive which is why you started to hear discourse from the audience. I think over the next 15 years he expands his knowledge and will get better at explaining his stance with a wider understanding of the subject.
@@JUICEelRey That's fair, but even if it is the case that he was presumptive, it is not the moderator's place to suggest anything about the quality of the arguments being presented. Especially in a congressional hearing. That
@@jonathanbooker1391 possibly. I'm not familiar with rules and etiquette of these kinda proceedings
Seems as though many people here might be conflating "presumptive" with "presumptuous"...
Presumptive: presumed in the absence of further information.
Presumptuous: failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
(source: Oxford)
Not to mention, the former also has a secondary definition which is strictly used in legal contexts.
I am utterly relieved to see the support the coleman hughes is getting in these comments. What a brilliant prodigy
Unfortunately, I think a lot of people just support him as a means to point liberals as being wrong. But when it comes to the stuff Coleman is actually talking about here, well, they don't wanna support that either.
Yes I agree he is a Prodigy. I love his amazing mind and heart. He brings hope to the world.
I agree he's a switched on intellectual, but I think prodigy is pushing it a bit
@@marcusmcneal7453 that's kind of cynical
Mike J McClendon doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Both of these young men made wonderful points. This is the way we should be solving American problems today....talking to one another.
The first guy is in his forties lol
Yeah, but Coleman Hughes won.
Coates is grifter who blames the black communities problems on white people. Its not wonderful, its lazy, anti-intellectual, and arguably racist.
Ta Nehisi was almost 50...Young Man?
I understand both sides. I appreciate both men. No yelling, no shade throwing, no disrespect. Just intellectual conversation 💝
Exactly, you got to respect the intellect, arguments, their presentation, and education. This was a win win.
Only one right Coates's
These guys should debate each other again
Do you know where the term shade comes from?
@@menelik83 they had a full conversation on colemans podcast
Coleman Hughes is such a brave man. Talking with clarity and calm while people are booing in the background.
It sounded like even the moderator was against him!
Note the "angry faces" looking for a handout. Of which, they'll be back next week/month/year, looking for another handout after they've BLOWN the first one given to them.
KalonOrdona2 I think the moderator was not angry but saw that people didn’t really understand him and tried to ask questions which when answered will try to make clarity of his stand the last two questions for example: 1. What would you tell young people? 2. Explain the article he wrote
if you got clarity from him then you can surely explain why US government should simultaneously
1. not redress the greatest injustice in its history even though it has done so in the past for lesser injustices.
2. pay reparations to people like his grandparents who suffered from Jim Crow, but apparently not from slavery or racist policies like redlining or blockbusting or other racist policies.
3. do anything at all cause clearly there is no systemic racism, because the groups he cited weren't affected by it according to Coleman.
good luck
@@the-gadfly4743 Most thread starters or "OP's" of commentaries dont answer question/comments others post directly to them on YTube, i've noticed. Soooooo......
"Good luck with that"
Pretty amazed while skimming through the comments I see both sides represented. Speaks highly to your channel good Sir. Bringing together a diverse audience without censorship is no small feat.
Thomas Sowell taught me to always ask "What is the evidence?". It's amazing how often people blindly accept assertions that don't have a leg to stand on.
👏👏
I guess slaves were worth nothing then and even less now. It is written
i guess you're talking about yourself because the evidence is towering.
@Sound Logic Good luck w/ that
We have been specifically excluded from minimum wage law, social security and the GI bill when these programs were enacted. Southern states systematically stole land from black farmers by not allowing them to participate in the same market as whites. Thomas Sowell grew up poor. Why was he poor. Thomas Sowell is an academic he does not live in the real world. College campus is not the real world.
"Disparity is the norm, not the exception." - Coleman
I can hear a lot of Sowell and Walter Williams on him. A great lad indeed.
Yea. Too much Sowell and Williams. Don't get me wrong, I really hope Hughes gets into a position to conduct his own influential research, not just parrot talking points.
@@bensmith8240
You are thinking about this backward. The entire fight for a rational view of this is generational. Thomas Sowell was asked how much influence he had on the 20th and 21st century, and his answer was very informative: little to none.
Hughes has simply picked up the sword and is trying to champion these same ideas. Sowell and Williams haven't gained traction in the larger community of Americans, because many of those people can't bring themselves to transcend their own cultural biases (I'm talking about ALL races, not just one). All of these great men are trying to point out that things aren't always as they seem.. but to see that, you must know the details and understand their implications.
I wish Hughes all the best. I fear he is the proverbial fish fighting the current of a strong/wide river. That takes persistence and courage to do day in and day out.
@@rbarnes4076
This is pretty close to a perfect statement on YT. Well done.
I know everyone always drops, "A Conflict of Visions," "Wealth Poverty and Politics," "The Vision of the Anointed," or "The quest for Cosmic Justice," but dear god, "Intellectuals and Society," was a powerhouse of a read. I've read it twice now and I always sharpen my analytical faculties just a little more each time I work my way through it!
Coleman seems to be synthesizing the body of knowledge that Sowell has left behind!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectuals_and_Society
ua-cam.com/video/ERj3QeGw9Ok/v-deo.html
@@dmonarredmonarre3076
Thanks!
I've been interested in ethics and government since I was a kid in the 1960s. Sowell, Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, and many others have influenced my thinking about culture, race, and government. Coleman is the latest to the fight, and is proving himself to be of very strong mettle indeed! I'm also a reader of history.. it has been a lifetime fascination.
I don't identify with either US political party, since neither party really stands for what I think is needed. Both parties are essentially Statist parties.
Anyways.. thanks again! It is very rare to meet people of like mind on YT.
@@rbarnes4076 Rare to find such a well informed comment on YT.
Typically these threads devolve into incoherent attacks!
Well done. Cheers!
I can’t believe ta nehisi is writing these comic book characters
That let me to this video
He's simply hijacking well known characters and stuffing them with his word vomit. Lets see him create new characters bet they'd be super popular lmao
He’s nothing but a hack
He’s a hack and an intellectual midget standing on the shoulders of giants who would B slap him into oblivion. Not to mention racist as hell.
@psychotronik15 I knew some people would buy the propaganda. Peterson really came out on top of that whole situation though. The more people try to take him out the bigger he gets. He's a force of nature.
"Chill... chill..." ??? Even in the most formal setting, the compulsion to pander and speak down by some to others is just too strong.
chill chill.. does everyone have their hot sauce? Democrats are racists.
It was really disrespectful, someone should have called him out on that.
I was waiting for him to go "who let the dawgs out yall"
He shoulda told them how much he liked 'Depsacito'
10:20 - White chairman calls Black man "presumptive" for speaking his mind.
of course what else did you expect? He's not asking for a handout.
@@TheUnconventionalManblack ppl aren’t asking for anything they aren’t owed. Slavery set black people back for generations.
i understand what Ta-Neshi tries to say, but the facts man, they say different things. Coleman is so educated, bring straight up statistics that actually support his idea.
This is a great example of emotion vs logic
Statistics are bogus
@Twinblades I feel ya
@@elroco4827
In the absence of empirical data supporting what we say, we don't know what the truth is.
Statistics are used in science every day, and those statistics have provided wonderful things like TV, Radio, GPS, Computers, etc.
That fact that some people abuse statistics does NOT invalidate the use of statistics. It just says that we need to be careful when using statistics, and on the look out for their misuse.
Second.. no matter which side of this subject you stand, people are using statistics to support their points. So then the question becomes, which statistics are correct? As someone from science, I can tell you this. The statistics used by the left are consistently aggregated results, and do not respect the actual differences and variations present in groups described by these aggregated statistics which could invalidate the general statements. This is Coleman Hughes' point, and he is absolutely correct.
The statements 'All blacks 'x'' or 'All hispanics 'x'' are definitionally incorrect. There is too much variation between individuals and subgroups in these major classes of people to expect that these statements will ever be true.
Statistics are NOT bogus. Hucksterism is what is bogus.. and those folks are the ones that give statistics a bad rap.
@@rbarnes4076 lol there are many people who experienced racism who are alive and some are dead. You mean to tell me because of a damn chart and bogus numbers that systemic race doesn't exist. Yes tell that to the people who experienced this
I understand the first man but I agree with the second one.
Yeah, I kinda find myself in the same boat. I get what Ta-Nehasi is saying, and can appreciate it to an extent. I'm also trying to hear him without my bias, which is I'm a conservative and don't agree with a lot of sentiments. However, while he's genuine and makes decent points, I agree with Coleman.
It's actually a pleasure to listen to both of them as they both make sentient points. The fact that one makes more emotional arguments vs more logical is somewhat irrelevant as long as they both are well reasoned and argued.
While I agree with Mr. Hughes that it makes no sense to pay reparations to those who are no longer with us, I see a point where there are some still alive that were affected by Jim Crowe and other racially discriminatory laws, policies and practices, Federal, State and Local, that deserve reparations when those practices, essentially, stole their property without just compensation.
The one point I take issue with is lumping Mitch McConnell in with Jim Crowe. McConnell was in his late teens/early twenties as Jim Crowe was being undone and would have had very little, if not nothing, to do with it directly. He may have lived in, and possibly, benefited from it (I honestly don't know), but to lump him in with a system he was born in, raised in, and could not have made much of an impact with, either way is a stretch.
Yeah it's not hard to understand what they are saying. It's just really shallow thinking.
By "they" I mean people who are for reparations
@@bronxkies You damn conservatives are so understanding and listen to all voices and opinions without drowning out or censoring people because they don't agree with you. That's so American and awesome.
one speaks from a position of defeat and revenge...the other from power and progress...one is clearly better for the spirit...imagine how a history of stewing over shit that happened in the past affects the outlook of a people and the people who observe them. its like black people bring a ball and chain everywhere we go...
Really? You heard the stat about black median wealth ( or a lack there of) in inner city Boston. Irish Americans are starting to sqawk about being " the first slaves." They were indentured servants who suffered some chattel. But they, like most light skinned immigrants, were allowed to assimilate. Now they're " white" and have acted as such for damn near two centuries. For all the hell they endured, they now have Boston and NYCPD\FD. You think they're median wealth is only $8 dollars? You talk about a ball and chain. I think most of us would like it cutoff, but certain segments of society won't allow it.
@@noeltaylor3594 so why worry about what someone else wont allow? our median wealth dropped when we started trying to convince them we are equals. before, black folks understood that once a person believes something aint shit you can do to change it except shine on them. blacks built their own society inside of theirs..and we were thriving. they saw that..started hating..then they absorbed our black buisness.. schools..banks..etc. they took our insulated wealth under the guise of integration....then they kicked the men out the house..replaced them w uncle sam..got us all hooked on their mercy. now all we have is shit they control. black industry boils down to entertaining white people..and running black people in circles w the same social justice talking points that convinced us to give up our cards in the first place. solution....stop vollying back the ball. stop talking about the same shit they were talking about in the 50s..stop caring about what white people believe..stop trying to be invited to their dinner table..stop tapdancing for them..start giving your money to black people..start investing sweat equity into YOUR people.......although at this point we all sold our souls to technology..robots not gone give a fuck about no reparations
It's not just a black people thing. Americans are not over slavery; which is why we still see confederate flags and monuments. America has not reconciled with slavery. Look at how Germany treats Nazi-- anything.
@@WeGonBeAlright we built a nation together...slave and master...once it became what it became are the masters supposed to commit seppuku? wouldnt it be easier to look at the situation for what it was and make your way in the land of dreams? they will always look at us as less than...thats the result of white guilt and we allowed ourselves to be enslaved, thats shameful. take what the world has to offer and make your way..thats all that can be done. arguing a point that is understood but is too dark to be acknowledged, is a waste of time.
Good observation. Not to sound like a shaman but the spirit and state of mind are often overlooked. 👍
I came here for Coleman Hughes. Enjoy hearing good logic.
Sums it up in 1 great line
"I worry that our desire to fix the past compromises our ability to fix the present."
We're not trying to fix the past. But if you have a limp because 20 years ago you were the victim of a hit and run, do we ignore the past REPARATIONS you're owed that can fix you today because it happened a long time ago?
An entire culture of people in America have limps from hit and runs.
@@nyrisj The person hit by the hit & run is alive though so no we do not ignore it.
That is a great line but denies the fact that the present is a reflection of what was done in the past.
The policy decisions done in the last 50 years are a result of the abhorrent way of thinking that has permeated american political decisions since the formation of the nation
@Miguel Ramiro imagine how immigrants who came 10 to 50 years ago are listening to this and think "WTF! Why do I have to pay for slavery 200 years ago? I have nothing to do with that, I am myself a descendant of slaves."
Wow. If Coleman Hughes is this smart at 22, imagine what he'll be like in 20 years - WAY too smart to be President.
...well if ppl let him. it's surprising how hard sense is swallowed in many.
We will see he speaks not like a nerd, so maybe he won't be viewed as 'too smart'... I see your point, but there is hope!
Webster, he’s too smart in the sense that only crazy people run for office. He’s probably better off in the private sector.
Much respect for Coleman Hughes. I’ve seen a few interviews and he is always thoughtful and honest. I’d love to see him as president.
He's already too smart
"There is a naive assumption that where ever there is a statistical gap in outcomes between two groups that that gap must be attributable to some form of discrimination. Whether it is overt or systemic."
This right here is the truth of most "divisive issues" today and I love that Hughes hits its on the head. A perfect example is the wage gap between men and women. We had a huge movement to eradicate a number-a movement that many still believe to be justified (why wouldn't they? We are speaking about "freedoms"). And that number only exists because of psychology and free will.
Literally if more people understood that basic concept, we’d be in a much better place
@@jessethomas9676 I agree. But it starts in the home. A lot of these ideas are culturally pushed on people. It's hard to blame someone when they are constantly told how they are disenfranchised, less than, or worse than X. It's almost like religion.
Exactly. The worst thing ever was allowing the theory of "adverse impact" into the lexicon of Discrimination, and thus Racism. More Blacks suffer from sickle cell anemia than whites. VOILA. PROOF of Systemic Racism.
@@socialbettors966 sickle cell has a clear genetic causation. Terrible comparison
Staci Hilliard Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
I am astounded at how well crafted Coleman's statement was. His was the best argument I have ever heard against monetary reperations. And the comments from this clip are intelligent and mostly courteous. How refreshing!!!
Colman is from a privileged class, both of his parents are not even African Americans why is him in this conversation. This is what lot of black bourgeoisie’s do, and most them comes from elite immigrants groups, when they comes to America they try to be accepted, the first thing they do is start this right wing talking points. Everything Mr Coolman is saying are straight out of Thomas Sowell books. If he is and blacks who support his views are ok, then they don’t have accept what reparations is offer, let those who needed have it
@@Macumber773 I’m sure it didn’t go over your big brain!
@@dramese There's nothing wrong with Thomas Sowell books he was extremely intelligent, a great orator, and extremely well researched in his field. He did so much for the independent thinking and agency of black individuals. Why would you hate against a beautiful, smart, and successful black man like him? Coleman (not Colman) is influenced by far more philosophical thought than Thomas Sowell and he recognizes that no hand outs will ever settle the matter of slavery, it is not an act that can be paid off monetarily.
@@zarbins I didn’t say something was wrong with his books, I read a lot of them, unlike many of his disciples. He’s ideas is only attracted black people who see whiteness as a norm, thus, proximity to whiteness becomes a higher form of virtue, unconsciously, of course. I was one of those individuals before, but as I mature and learn, I become acceptance of myself and embrace my Africaness. This does not mean there anything wrong with whiteness, in fact many influential people in my life are whites and I respect those individuals. But the moment denied yourself self, you denied the person who I seek to emulate, the experience that person may have learn from me. Conservatives have a lot to teach all of us. But my problems is, when conservatism becomes the gatekeeping of whiteness to some extent, a white supremacy. Many of Thomas sowell accounts of history are a contents rather than an historical account. And I can understand it motive, it’s to provide content for devotion rather then a context for understanding. If you think those are an accurate historical accounts, you need to read more. Even a bias white historians will not put out something like that.
@@zarbinsColeman has “peasant brain”. Rich elites take every dollar offer to them and more. Wealthy elites love handouts from the government. Why shouldn’t black people get reparations when no one else turns down money if they need it or not? They want us to play by some made up rules of fairness that they don’t follow.
8:56 - "You might call [reparations] justice. I call it justice for the dead at the price of justice for the living."
Hell of a quote, sir.
I think he means reparations for 'Slavery'...There are people who lived thru JIm Crow and REdlining alive today
@@ryansamuels8894
Those people are, generally-speaking, not the ones demanding reparations.
If that quote rings your bell, you must be a child
@@avishevin1976 If that is true ,it is only becuz they have come to accept the mistreatment that the Diaspora experiences as second class citizens in the United States.... Far from the justice and freedom it proclaims
Cecil Charles Official 💯
It shocks me that everyone in the crowd disagreed with Coleman, I thought he made a great argument, statistically and morally.
You're naive to think those people were not simply there to hear what they wanted to hear and have their biases confirmed. Not to mention it's an emotional issue for most and that doesn't do wonders for one's judgement.
Dude he makes so many brazen fallacies suspect to the point where it’s obvious he’s a token schill for conservative special interest money. Bet money he gets paper doing talks for them. Hot commodity
@@FinneySP A lot of people in this comment section are falling victim to a severe confirmation bias.
@@FinneySP Lol .
Skyduke I’ll give you an example. He states that being how so many studies on racism and slavery have been made that means this country as a whole acknowledges the atrocities of slavery. That’s not the issue and he intentionally shifts the focus on that. It’s how the public school system educating the masses does not fully discuss the effects of slavery and Jim crow. at that moment I knew what kind of person Coleman is. He’s a shifty merchant of rhetoric and will cite stats when it supports him but also say stats are ineffective when confronted with opposing info.
Critical Thinking Vs. Emotional Thinking
And head is higher than the heart
Yes Hughes is emotional
Spot on.
We really need more of this.
@Flat Eric The 13th amendment does not allow slavery. It bans slavery. You're twisting that to mean something that it doesn't. You could make the same argument that the family permits a form of slavery because kids have to do what their parents tell them to do and if they don't, the kid can be punished. Parents telling kids what to do is not a form of slavery and a person that got due process and was convicted of a crime, being told where to go and when to sleep and eat is not a form of slavery. That's called punishment.
Coleman speaks from power, he acknowledges slavery and doesn’t put his focus on blame only. He is focused on what’s most important NOW. This is real power
Dumb comment sorry
@@tijan8948 How is it a dumb comment?
@Tijan; The comment that is dumb is yours... Sorry.
@@garyrandom7512 stay out of this Rando guy
@@zrc1514 because his arguments were flawed, he seemed out of his depth and he has no credentials to back up what he was saying. he didnt even deserve to be up there except that he has raised his hand to be a conservative pawn. there was no power being demonstrated there, just the opposite
Hughes is incredibly poised for someone his age. An important voice to be heard. Gives me hope.
Don't patronize him
Without Justice there will be no hope. The ills of the past must be reconciled in the behaviors of the present.
When I see Mr. Hughes talking, I imagine in my head Dr. Sowell giving fiery speeches in front of committees and arguing how how bad welfare would effect the minority groups. Now that his predictions came to fruit, I hope Mr. Hughes becomes a renowned person like Dr. Sowell, and hope his ideas won't go to waste.
He also said giving less money to schools that fail standardized tests was wrong though and caused great disparities with struggling school.
Fiery Mr. Hughes is not. He reminds me of a James Madison but with the benefit of a microphone. And good looks that Mr. Madison would have envied.
Judy S. James Madison loved to undermine the poor and make sure only the rich had say in colonial America
Sowell would not agree that lazy white southerners are responsible for blacks not working hard enough to get ahead in life? Liberal professors got him by the nose.
I wonder how Sowell feels about resumes with black sounding names summarily trashed without even viewing the color of someone's skin. I didn't think so
Coleman Hughes was still in college when he shamed everyone in this room with his intellect, reason and ethical compass.
Shamed? He made an argument. Some good points. Some bad points. Chill. It's about hearing both sides and making up your own mind
The shallow mind hears eloquent words spoken in a confident manner and immediately assumes the rhetoric presupposes the truthful narrative.
Some of his points were sound. Some were unsound. His narrative has a whole was a bit flawed.
His last point was extremely weak. Just because wealth inequality exist within and between a variety of subgroups does not AUTOMATICALLY negate the possibility of systematic economic inequality at the super group (aggregate) level.
A majority super group (whites) oppressed a minority super group (blacks) and subsequently rigged the economic system in their favor for many generations, creating a undeniable gap in wealth between the two super groups. It's not a question of IF this is true but only TO WHAT DEGREE is this true.
@@jamarr81 I think you're right that his narrative as a whole veers into the weakly supported, but I disagree with your comment on his last point. To my ears, it seems Coleman is merely calling into question the syllogism that disparity in outcome is direct evidence of systemic racism. You have, I think, unfairly attributed to him the stronger position that wealth inequality existing between subgroups disproves the theory of systemic racism.
You may (perhaps) protest that I am focusing on the wrong issue and distracting from the reality of the matter at hand, and perhaps you would be right were the discussion here about the racial oppression in the US, but if the discussion is about the rhetoric ability and soundness of Coleman's logic, then I think it bears getting the nuance straight on the matter.
@@Sarsanoa you make a good point. I would only add that within the given context trying to discuss the nuances of disparity, and the /truth/ that disparity is naturally occurring and inherent, regardless of intention comes off as dismissive or as an act of sophistry.
Let's all acknowledge the clear and objective reality that the generational wealth growth denied/taken to/from blacks by systemic oppression exists. And then when researchers dig into the ramifications and nuances of those actions, they can factor in variables of preexisting disparities from other sources; and we can all debate the degrees to which those factor in. That's what analytics and statistics is for.
At the end, he makes that claim that he was just trying to upset the notion that without racism there would be equal outcomes. And that's a fair assessment. The problem is that the majority of blacks are not seeking equal outcomes, merely a fair and level playing field. So he's constructed a strawman fallacy that he then uses to argue his points against.
So while I actually agree with him on those nuances of diversity... I don't see the point one way or another as to their particular relevance in this instance. Nor why he felt the need to construct a false narrative to strengthen his point. But maybe I don't have all the context.
@@jamarr81 I think that's a fair criticism (although I share your perspective of perhaps lacking full context of his discussion). I don't think Coleman is intentionally dishonest or irrational, and I'm hopeful that, at his young age, he has a lot of personal growth left in him yet.
"Chill, Chill, Chill.. He was presumptive but still has a right to speak " Can you say pandering Mr Chairman??
"Chill, chill, chill" well he had to speak the language of the natives, you know. "Order in the court" made have been to outside of their capacity to understand.
Borderline!.
hilariously true @@Xelanderthomas
Thomas Sowell is nodding along at home
Don’t disrespect this young man by mentioning his name with Sowell. Sowell is an opportunist who makes a living off of complaining, especially about Black people. With that being said I think both Coates and Coleman are smart and make great points. Coleman can make points about Blacks being against certain things, but what race has a consensus on anything. There are white people who are ashamed to be white based on the actions of some who represent their race. However, I am a proponent of reparations to build Black communities. Most Blacks or anyone for that matter should never receive checks because that won’t help the bigger issue. Since we don’t have a home “country” to build up, we deserve the opportunity to build our own space, just like other races. Systemic racism is real and this young man just hasn’t had it hit him in the face yet. It’s more about economics than race. There has to be a lower class in society and Blacks are it. If we built our own and not try to get white approval we would be better off. Civil Rights killed our economy and led to us losing our sense of self. The longer I am alive the more I realize that Blacks and Whites are not good roommates. I do think these two men are much more similar in thought than it appears.
@@get2knowus112 well you know nothing because Coleman look up to Thomas Sowell
lanzo86 He has time.
William Rutherford So you’re saying one is better than the other?
get2knowUS yes, one provides data and facts (sowell) and Sharpton just tells black people they have a victim card
Coleman Hughes is an absolute BEAST of logic and reason. Expertly handled. This guy is 22. Holy shit.
This is why more blacks should be able to attend Ivy League schools, more education = better opportunity, equal rights to educational backgrounds. Right now we're falling behind as a country.....
@@benjammin6692 There's a pandemic of stupidity throughout the world, but it's not entirely resolved by universities. I do believe that Coleman Hughes would be just as smart as he is without a University.
On the other hand, having an attitude towards intelligence and the ability to discuss and dispassionately debate difficult ideas is something that is not being taught all that well in many universities. Most of the stupidest protesters who are tearing down *the very things that allow them their freedom* are coming from people who went to expensive universities.
Between blacks and whites, both are failing to cultivate a culture that promotes being educated. The cultures that do best are those cultures that highly value real education.
This is not a coincidence.
@@eschelar yes okay I agree with your points and second, the need not just for Ivy league, but also liberal arts, and by that I mean the chance to educate and continue to educate yourself in order to speak intelligently on issues outside your expertise and beyond your lived experiences perhaps. Booksmarts and college education are connected but still can be separate methods for education. I agree: Education alone is not the answer perhaps, perhaps it is rather as Hughes has addressed the need to not just learn from history but to answer it. And that's I take it coming from his background and grounding in philosophical subjects and studies background. But perhaps he can take it on the stage with the likes of Slavoj "Pickles&Beans" Žižek, Doctor "Strangelove" Peterson, getalong with Big Russ "Rocket" Brand's "Under the Skin," Trevor Noah. Those are not necessarily my heroes or podcasts of choice per se these days but they do have a large following online to-date with their speeches and podcasts and Coleman might do well to get onair with them? And there are more things he can do obviously to educate others and no, he is not just some privileged kid speaking from a pulpit about "black America." He is speaking intelligently in plain English. No, not new but a breath of fresh air in a heated climate, so to speak.🤔
@@benjammin6692 I have always believed that education is individual. I have traveled abroad for my studies and learned to speak multiple languages as well. The way to become educated is to educate yourself. This is an active sense, not passive.
Because of this, I believe actually that the liberal arts have some important literature, and there is a great importance for the ability to be competent in verbal combat skills in the arena of debate, but many of these liberal arts have become weighted far in excess of their value and merit. They will never be as important or as correct as a scientific field of study.
The above video is an excellent example of this as Coates is clearly just as educated as Hughes, has access to all the same information as Hughes and is just as, if not *more* persuasive in his speaking manner. The only problem that arises is that Coates has not polished his logic as well as Hughes. So while he speaks persuasively and passionately, his ideas are flawed. This is particularly a problem because if your ideas are flawed, but you are skilled at persuading people, that can only have one outcome. Bad.
This does not mean Coates is a bad man. It means only that he is missing some fundamental skills in the application of logic. The missing content there is with dealing with reality. Hughes uses statistics in a different way from Coates. Coates uses statistics to prop up his narrative. Hughes uses the statistics to *form* his narrative. Coates digs through statistics to find detailed points that help support what he wants to say. Hughes digs through statistics to find detailed points so can understand what needs to be said.
I believe Hughes thinking style comes from a place of science. The idea in science is that you make observations and determine truth from the observations. Hughes is not afraid of statistics. He is not afraid that statistics might show him to be wrong. This is because he is already aware of statistics on a broad scale and formulates his beliefs upon what the statistics show. He does not allow himself to fall into the trap to determine truth and choose observations that match that.
That is a major component of ideology. Science and scientific thinking are an antidote to ideology. Ideology cannot survive within a science weighted perspective.
Liberal arts on the other hand does not have a strong foundation in the scientific method. Ideas come forth that have no basis whatsoever in anything close to real.
And this is 100% appropriate and correct - for liberal arts.
If science is the search for the truth of what is, philosophy is the questioning of that. The role of science is to observe and deduce. The role of philosophy is to question and try to find the flaws in the armor. Philosophy aids the search for truth by opposing truth, even when it appears that the truth is even more firmly established.
There is an idea within philosophy (forgive me, I've forgotten whose idea this is) that when something becomes more and more known, the greater the likelihood that it is not true. This is obviously false, but it's not a statement of how things are, it's a statement of attitude. It's a mission statement, a goal. The more something is *perceived* to be true, the more that idea must be challenged with ever stronger rigor. The problem is that this is poorly understood and people forget that the primary objective for this stance it to refine the truth through fire, not to dismantle it.
Philosophy must then be able to entertain an idea that comes from nothing and has no substantiation at all. It is occupied then with the act of applying those questions and creating substantiation - I call it "finding the edges" of science, from a position on the opposite side of science and observation.
It is possible to go too far with this. Philosophy sits opposite to science, but it is not science. It sits at the center of the liberal arts because it is the mechanism for which the liberal arts come to be - a point of interaction between liberal arts - the creative mind and science - observations and logic.
Even without the scientific method within, it still plays an important role in the scientific method because it represents the challenge to any observation that is required for the hardest scientific standard, namely that of truth:
Prove that it is true. Then prove that it is never not true. Only then do you know it is true.
This standard is extremely difficult to achieve in almost every setting, so philosophy has a tremendous scope of activity where it remains useful, appropriate and relevant.
But we should never forget that it is the mirror we hold up for truth, not the truth itself.
@@eschelar that's very interesting. I have always sought myself to define things from what they are not which is the Socratic method I take it but was not aware that it was the philosophical mode of a liberal arts education. Perhaps logically so! Specifically I agree on sciencevsphilosophy and suppose that it's always helpful to approach subjects from either standpoint whether scientific or philosophical. You have perhaps unknowingly quasirefined my lens towards most every subject and have just redefined my sense of self for perhaps in regards to the socials, youtube included, I occasionally have sought to clarify my philosophical viewpoints approaching subjects from that angle. But being a reader first, I had not realized that I was being conditioned to become a philosopher! But perhaps such is the way of things and I take it you too are of a liberal arts background? It is indeed good to have such self realization and in order to change the world we must change ourselves or else perhaps become fully realized as individuals. I think that is the grievous error of our ways, this not knowing about ourselves which indeed science seeks to answer however far behind it is behind philosophy in the first and even literature.
All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth - Aristotle
You can tell Coleman Hughes has read a lot of Thomas Sowell.
Thomas Sowell is often right. And many black people hate that fact. They don't like what he is saying, even if what he is saying is true.
Sowell is the truth
You can tell he actually reads books and studies.
The first guy just has a racist attitude.
Sowell is a wise man.
@@brofrosty3735 I feel you, but many black people also like him and his facts... Like me. :)
I’m proud of both Mr Coates and Mr Hughes, we need more discourse within the black community such as this.
Absolutely. I love Coleman Hughes, but I also love Coates. I think they are both legitimately trying to do the right thing. Others are opportunistic grifters.
What about us in the green community?
Coates is obviously racist as hell
Absolutely!!!!!
I'm latino and black. I don't believe in or would I accept it. There is no systemic racism. There is only racism. I have success in life because of this great country
And because you probably had the following: a mother and father who taught you morals and hard work.
You probably at least graduated from HS.
You probably are not a drug user
You probably have been taught personal responsibility,
You probably value family
JDK K Would you say this is the biggest issue in the black communities?
JDK K I’m not black but I’m a Latino who grew up in a poverty stricken city and yes.... that list is the main problem. I grew up on the negative side of this side of this list.. I’m finally growing out of it and I recently figure out that anyone can make it out of poverty. It’s a mindset all low class people need to change.. mind family are starting to call me white for being successful..
Amen.
So because we have success and we see others struggling due to systematic racism, then its okay? Try to think beyond the I's and the Me's because this discussion is about a group of people that are struggling and doing the most hideous of things to get by - in some cases. Too many of us have forgotten what it was like to struggle and the metaphysical wall of racism, pulling us further and further into desperation. Well, I haven't and if systemic racism brought them to this condition, then it should bare the costs of repairing the damage that has been done. No, it won't save everyone but it would give them a thread to sew more material onto the rope they are hanging onto and a few more may be able to pull themselves up
"He was presumptive, but he has a right to speak." Can you be any more condescending?
Yes.
And then the correct word is "presumptuous", to boot. No big deal, but when you're looking down on somebody else, it's funny.
@@SimonKanner-si3it Know your place, boy.
Yeah that guy's a complete piece of shit.
The statements from Hughes are an example of the "any more condescending" you are looking for
So many thanks for a non click bait title. Click bait does not encourage unbiased search for the truth, click bait encourages tribalism. Much thanks!
Coleman focusing on facts rather than emotions. Exceptional.👏
They need Thomas Sowell up in here
We need Thomas Sowell up in everywhere.
@Fleece Johnson he would never make it as a politician. Too honest. Working in the government is what turned him away from Marxism
@Fleece Johnson He's too honest for that job.
Mr. Hughes has obviously studied him. His discussion of disparity, and equal outcomes draws from his work.
@@horseman4now i can tell but Sowell is much more engaging for me
"He was presumptive..." WTF
10:24 “Chill, chill chill chill. He was presumptive but he still has a right to speak.” WTF?! Well sir, you’re pompous and you probably shouldn’t speak.
It seemed like he was even the moderator or something? What a douche!
I assume in formal language "presumptive" means speaking before being called on to speak. I think it's normal procedure. Though saying "chill" isn't very professional.
Only an american(you, bravo), could think that "chill" is pompous language.. Infact, even by american standards that's ridiculous.
@@boliussa Yes, you're right - only an American could understand the context around why saying 'chill' in this instance is pompous and cringe-worthy. Walk up to an emotional black brother or sister in America and tell him/her to 'chill' and watch what happens. After they've ripped you a new one then you can respond with your "by American standards it's ridiculous that you're upset..." as you run away.
@@thegreattesm But he didn't (speak before being called on). In any case, agreed that it was just plain unprofessional - a simple "order" or "quiet please" would have sufficed.
ive watched this several time. coleman is mind blowing. he changes the way you think. the more i listen to it with the absence of emotion, its incredible how sharp dude is
lol wow man this is the second time i see your comment on a different video by Coleman
He's on that genius level.
His first statement was dumb af. His first statement was "how can money not be made to create better schools?". That's idiotic.
I'm shocked that people think this guy is smart. Both guys make unintelligent arguments at times but Coleman's get outright ignored. Like how he equates studying a topic (slavery) to knowing a lot about. Studies have shown students are very misinformed about the history of slavery.
Do not be impressed , I know its painful brother. But the truth must not be denied.
The person (politician) presiding told the audience to “chill”??!!
Speaking to black people. You need to “get on their level”.
It’s either very condescending or he thinks he’s black
They need that old granny from “Airplane” who spoke “jive” to translate!😂😂...it’s too bad we’ll never see that type of humour on screen again😕..thanks libtards!😬👌🏼
That was hugely what stood out to me first. Secondly the fact that he called Coleman Hughes presumptive. It is a very old argument that freedom should level out the equality of opportunity but NOT of outcome. Because it is true, and it does. Ever notice that regardless of race, in the vast majority of cases, the more successful a person the more articulate and well versed in more things they are? It doesn't have to do with "talking white." It has to do with a spirit of anger, rebellion, and unforgiveness. The desire to separate America by race. For example, at 18:48, despite how well spoken he is, Mr. Coates says "aks". Culturally I don't suspect Mr. Hughes has all that much in common with Mr. Coates.
Ikr lol dudes a joke
Great to see Coleman carrying the torch lit by Tom Sowell.
Truly. ✊🖖
Tom's the man
Sowell only lit a torch for white supremacist deniers.
@@jamberry8026 Take it easy Gulag boy
@@jamberry8026 that's right, everyone except a white liberal is a racist.
I appreciate this panel. Both men brought up points I hadn't considered.
This country has a lot to address before we really start healing together.
I hope beyond hope that Coleman continues to work in the public sphere. His words are profound and he is dedicated to self-reflection and deep thought- something terribly lacking amongst the loudest American public figures.
I'm proud he is my countryman.
Me too.
The danger in reparations is that if it goes through many Americans will simply say “ok, we bought you off. We’re done”
Well said but couldn’t reparations be made in other forms rather than simply writing a check? I feel like we should offer black Americans completely free access to college, incentivize teachers with higher pay to work in underprivileged areas, offer lower home mortgage rates, and create other programs that aim not just to write off the atrocities of the past but to actively invest in the future of those who have been oppressed for too long.
@@Furniturefosters Don't those reparations have to go to the british public as they paid to end slavery?
Buck Deniston You’re changing the subject. You’re talking about paying back some owed debt. I’m talking about retributive justice for those wronged by slavery. In tort law, various types of damages can be ruled against a defendant to rectify the wrong/losses, namely compensatory and punitive damages. Compensatory damages, like the name suggests, are intended to compensate the injured party for loss or injury. Black Americans are owed some form of compensation for the damages inflicted upon them. I’m not blaming all white people for slavery but the United States Government certainly is and has a responsibility to rectify its mistakes. The federal government has been sued for wrongdoings countless times. This isn’t anything new.
Buck Deniston I may not have adequately explained why I think you’re changing the subject. It appears you don’t understand what reparations are. I’m not being condescending but I do want to define the term so it’s clear why your comment is off topic. Reparations - the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
Tell me what would "pay them off".
Man this makes me thing of relationships. The one who spends the rest of his life letting his ex affect his life and mood will forever live in unhappiness. The man that decides to move on and seek the future because the past couldn’t offer him it, will live much more happily.
It’s much more like an abusive relationship which the victim cannot escape and is asking the perpetrator to take responsibility for.
@@az7660 🤦🏻♂️my guy, the white people of today have not held any slaves, nor have they gone out of their way to make life hard for black people. You're comparing two totally different things. If I were to take your comment literally, it would mean white people are the perpetrators and black people are the victims. That may have been the case decades ago, but not now. We've had a black president for 2 terms ffs. There is no hindrance to the success of any black person except their own willingness and hunger, and their own culture.
( *disclaimer* ) I'm speaking in general terms coz of course there are white people and black people and people of every colour that are racist. But they do not constitute the majority, atleast today.
JUSTANOTHERWEEB I think your points are fair. But the relationship I’m referring to is that between the American government and its black citizens. America would not be the prosperous nation it became without the free labour of black people, thus all Americans - including successful black Americans- owe their own prosperity today to chattel slavery. I am NOT saying that black people cannot succeed in America, they can. I’m saying they have not benefited from wealth their ancestors earned and deserved. Black “successes” occur despite not having access to this wealth. Also, there are structural hurdles to black people accumulating wealth TODAY which Coates outlined clearly and repeatedly in this talk. There are also so many other examples and resources for this information. Last point, you say inequality is an issue of culture. Are Barack or Hughes not products of black culture? If black people are to forfeit their culture to access wealth, what are they meant to replace it with? White culture? It can’t be American culture, because they built the country - it can’t get more American than that.
Coleman Hughs. Someone else said it in here already but this man's the real deal!
I must have misinterpreted what happened when Hughes finished his intro.
It seemed like a disgusting few people booed him, and then the chairman responded to this outburst called him "presumptive", but said he still had the right to speak.
If that's what happened, that Congressman is absolutely despicable, and incompetent at his role as chairman. I know that's redundant.
But it bears mentioning...that worthless fraud should not have supported the booing idiots by saying Hughes daring to disagree with that bad bill is "presumptive".
Disgusting.
His job, as chairman, is to be objective about such things. But it's become normal for machiavellian congresscritters to abuse hearings in order to one-sidedly advocate for their own shallow political position, attacking the people speaking in order to virtue signal.
And they're arrogant enough to think that anyone who criticizes their bill is, indeed, presumptive. How dare the proles be so uppity as to presume they might have some valid opinion?
Agreed. He undercut Hughes’s statement. Despicable, indeed.
Agreed as well. I had to play that part back to see if I heard him correctly. Even looked up the meaning of the word "presumptive" to see if it was the same word I was hearing. That last sentence you said was powerful....absolutely no right to insert their opinion.
I don't know much about proceedings, so I don't understand. What does "he was presumptive" even mean?
@@FebbieG
It means "uppity".
He's trying to undermine Coleman's testimony, by essentially saying he's an uppity N-word.
In this case "presumptive" just means speaking out of turn. This was a very formal setting.
Love listening to Coleman speak not only on issues of race but life in general. The man is wise beyond his years
He's a bright kid but he just parrots Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder. I've never heard an original thought from him.
Every point Coleman makes has been debunked or is a-historical
@@MOME914 what is he wrong about?
@@sub-harmonik he is wrong that civil rights leaders and abolitionists favored race neutral policies. No credible academic can read primary sources and come away with conclusion. A principled scholar would not use modern context for race neutrality and impart that to historical figures so arrogantly
Actually this dude Coleman is an idiot.. he said reparations shouldn't be given because the victims that are owed are all dead....
What an asinine thing to say!
So you mean the daughter of a slave isn't a victim of slavery... the trauma of seeing her mother dehumanised... how about the granddaughter of a slave... is she not a victim bcz slavery destroyed her family history and she has no idea about her lineage or identity??... she might not be a slave... but do you think she hasn't been victimised/ hurt by slavery...
A female black american poet once said in a line of one of her poems...
"You claim you have no racial advantage because you have no history of wealth in your family... but I don't even know my family history at ALL"
She isn't a slave, but do you think she hasn't been profoundly negatively affected by slavery.... Well she's living today!!
Believe it or not!!.. there are still many many victims of slavery still here with us today!
Coleman Hughes, Incredible composure, such a kind and polite gentleman, what a great role model for young men across the world.
Totally agree
He is a child that speaks to the folly of childish utopia. He is unable to speak to the harsh truth of Justice and Judgement.
The “chill, chill, chill” comment was pretty condescending. I guess only Black folks don’t understand “come to order”. SMH....
He also said “word up” in response to a comment he agreed with but the cameras didn’t catch it
How you can tell that only people of colour make that noise? I'm sure that they are some white repartition apologist out there as well
@@acidtrungpa4760 pay that money,you always inherit family debt
@@acidtrungpa4760 pay what you owe or go back to Europe.
@@blaquefaerie8201 I'm gladly willing to pay all what I own to all living slaves I used to had which is 0.00$ for 0 slaves.
I am utterly amazed by intellectuals such as Coleman, at such a young age he has already done so much!
Coleman is a bright light in these times! I wish I had the eloquence of him
No amount of money will undo the injustices done to our ancestors or ease the pain of that legacy. Money will do nothing to fix the cultural problems of single-motherhood feeding the crazy homicide rates of our young men.
The only ‘reparations’ we should have are investments into our schools to teach resilience and personal individual responsibility. Only a community of responsible resilient individuals can rise above the legacy of slavery....
Wanda Woman .. I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Your absolutely correct. Personally I don’t believe blacks want chance, they just want to make a point about change. Social requirements & injustices etc etc etc but to actually live & be as they claim? I doubt it in a collective sense. The HR40 issue is more about practicality than if it’s deserving. Anyone who doesn’t see that is reaching for straws.
You are a bot, Wanda.
Very well said. We need to prop up voices like yours.
Well said. We need to stop valuing the tangibles and value more the intangibles like self discipline, self love and educational achievements instead of killing each other for running shoes. Its a total perversion of values.
Who said reparations had to be money???
I don't know there is a person who disagrees with anything Coates says. The issue about reparations is that it doesn't make sense to tax me to pay for an ambiguous financial givings without a limit or way to signify when it's done. I'm white. But my family didn't come to this country till after slavery. My family never owned another human being. My family never had power over over another human being. Furthermore, when I was a child my family was homeless. I did not attend college beyond what I could get in the form of a handout with community college. I had crap jobs for most of my life, I barely made more than minimum wage. Now I have a good job and I have a family. Taking money from me to give to someone else is immoral in my view simply because of the color of my skin. Everything Coates speaks of has nothing to do with me or my family. I don't deny the things he says, but I reject the idea that I have to pay for them simply because of a black/white dichotomy.
Congratulations on your personal success, brother. your answer goes to the heart of what Mr. Hughes was saying, reparations should have been immediately paid directly to the "victims" of slavery from the "perpetrators" of slavery in order to achieve the desired justice.
Well, sorry but this nation was built by their work of hand so you are reaping the benefit of their work in some way. You are also one person and sorry, that is not a good enough reason to not repay past cruelty. You pay taxes for lots of things you don't approve of everyday anyways. Why is it ok for other marginalized group to receive reparations but not AAs? smh. Btw we can clearly still see the impact of slavery and Jim crow till today, (no group of people just wake up and decides to be lazy together). The terrible circumstances and systemic racism is what has led to the issues AAs face today. Stop thinking of just yourself and have some empathy for a grup that their fore fathers built this nations and now they are being incarcerated due to a system that keep marginalizing them and failing to acknowledge their issues.smh. I am african btw which means I will be paying taxes for AAs reparations as well. stop the bias and actually be fair. smh
@@kodedm1 did you just say that you as an AA taxpayer, would be paying reparations?!?! how you do not recognize the lunacy of that statement is beyond me. I am nobody's victim, I am a full grown man, master of my own destiny. I take the credit for my successes and the blame for my failures, this is how I choose to face the world.
@@tnttim9 no bro you are a lunatic. The government paying doesn't mean my taxes will increase. Resources can simply be diverged from services such as over policing. You pay taxes to implement laws and policies you don't agree with anyways. And the US is rich enough to pay for AA reparations without directly taxing poor Americans. Just stop with the bs about making your own money. You still broke af compared to your white counter part. They are owed those earning their parents and great grand parents could not pass down to them. Lunatic. Use your brain and stop being black and white. Reparations won't solve everything but it will surely provide them with greater opportunity to succeed and actually experience the "American dream".
@@kodedm1 ooohhh, I see. I understand stand where you are coming from...
Greed, you're a greedy person
So much logic in Coleman's words. What a brave young man! Salute!
Well, *that* certainly was enlightening. With impressive levels of intellectual firepower on both sides.
Coleman Hughes is brilliant. He spoke to many interesting aspects of the racial argument that I haven't heard before. VERY compelling.
But incomplete
His fundamental argument, that a debt cannot be inherited, is false. This is a class action lawsuit period and you can inherit from the original beneficiaries. He needs to go ahead and finish law school before he opens his mouth on this topic!!
@@tijan8948 What about moral debts, which were what he talked about? Should Italians pay damn near everybody around the mediterranian for what the Romans did? I guess not. Stick to law/economics, moral philosophy's not your area.
generic username it’s not a moral debt it’s an actual one. The US government taxed Ill gotten income from slave labor. The descents have a right to restitution. There is precedent. Georgetown U paid descendants of the 200 people they sold to save the university. Germany is still paying haulocaust survivors. Cigarette companies are paying the states for damages relating to smoking. It’s basically like a class action law suit. It shouldn’t be controversial, it’s the law.
@@tijan8948 I think you are missing the point of practicality. The idea that reparations could ever be fairly implemented is preposterous. First, would whites whose descendants never owned slaves pay reparations? Or Black people who aren't descendants of slaves receive reparations? Such as blacks & whites that migrated to the U.S. well after slavery was abolished? How about people that are mixed race? would they take money from one hand and put it in the other? What about whites with descendants that fought in the civil war that died fighting the confederacy to free the slaves? Are they due compensation?
Also, what if a white person descendant of slave owners is poor.. And a black person descendant of slaves is wealthy? Does one still have to chip in to reparations and does the other still receive?
Then also, how much compensation are we talking about per person? $1,000? $10,000? $50,000 per person? Then once reparations are paid out, does that mean that this obnoxious non-conversation about slavery and racism has been concluded, never to be brought up again? Yeah right, as if that'll happen.
Lastly do you think it'll actually help? Or perhaps create even more division among people?
...And can you imagine a gov't entity that would actually try to execute this plan in a way that was fair and reasonable. It would never happen. The cost of the research along to figure this all out would cost more then the value of the reparations itself. It's a total pipe-dream.
Even though I may not necessarily agree with Mr Hughes, its refreshing and encouraging to see any black person that dares to display his thoughts on such a grand stage regardless of how controversial or unpopular they may be. All black men and women should aspire to be so free, authentic and courageous.
Now that's how you break bread with America and it's equally. Spell it out loud and clear so that they know that we know from the beginning to date
Wealth has a direct bearing on , health, education and housing.
Yaaaaaaaaaasz!
@Stephen Pierson your broke ass didn't make your own wealth. You thugs obtained it through our blood sweat and tears, while your people supervised! Now say thank you for my forced free labor and the infrastructure we built by hand and pay me my damn money! My children and grandchildren deserve property, a good education, and a head start just like yours. What the fuck are you afraid of? OUR SUCCESS!
Mareshah Israel lmaooooo my ppl didn’t profit off shit from anyone!
@@mareshahisrael2170 There is not a chance that you were involved in slave ownership, so there was no "forced free labor" that you partook in, yet you group yourself in with ancestors that you likely never even met who have suffered things that you aren't even able to comprehend.
We are also in 2019. Even in good school districts, statistics show that the black population tend to do worse in grades and success than whites. Truth be told, Asians do considerably better than any other race. The truth is, that blacks, even when given the opportunity, are not taking it. This can be blamed on their home life more than anything. To do anything productive, remove the finger pointing and victim mentality in your home life and teach your children the value of effort in perseverance. Also, the black men that impregnate women and then leave the child in a broken home are equally responsible.
All of that is personal choice, nothing systemic about it. No one forces these men to leave the woman they impregnated. Black children in schools have the same opportunities as their white classmates to learn and to succeed, only they choose not to.
Yes, there are plenty of racists in the world, just as there are plenty of homophobes, sexists, and outright vile people. But, no one is more responsible for your current situation than yourself.
@11I00OO1I0O1Il You thugs on the right? Conservative politicians, regardless of party. That's who the"thugs" are.
Wow! Coleman is an impressive young man. I could feel the discomfort in the room .
"If Thomas Jefferson matters, so does Sally Hemings ..."
Sir, Thank You.
You're right. Sally Hemings wrote the Declaration of Independence, framed the Constitution, served two terms as President, conducted the Louisiana purchase, and was one of the foremost philosophers of her era.
Nope, I thought not.
what is sally hemings without President Jefferson?
@@DangerousFacts48 LOLOLOLOLOLOL
@mik rof LOLOLOLOLOL
NO ONE SAID SHE DIDN'T MATTER! SMH
Ta-Neh your speech should be memorized and spoken by our youth just like the do King. Great speech my brother
Did that man just say CHILL?!? WTF?!? Would he have done that during a Holocaust hearing?!? Offensive!
That's black vernacular, he's trying to show the panel and the audience that he speaks the language, he finds it difficult keeping this Forum professional.
Hell NO!
Relax. They brothas
ALFJAMXA James Lmao 🤣 this funny but fuck u I’m black 😂
Exactly but slavery isn't seen the same as the Holocaust. People do not care about it as much bc of desensitization.
Coates whole bag is "victimology & grievance". Dude this isn't 1820, it's 2020!
It's because the modern statistics don't show systemic racism at all. They need to go back in time and remind all the people who weren't even alive at the time, that they must pay the cost of being the victims and the slave masters again. These people are twisted.
History Matters setting up parameters and impacts outcomes...even Coleman mentions this
@Artemis Entreri Agree
How much time and energy is wasted being angry and focused on a victim mentality
The people that didn't live through Jim Crow and are the biggest advocates for reparations just want free stuff...
@@colemiller9345 ......you know the 60s wasn't 200 years ago right
Two black men presenting their subjective positions with respect and dignity I totally disagree that either one was more emotional and or less critical. Lovely session
Big fan of Coleman Hughes.
The descendants of imperialists struggle to confront the truth of their ancestors' actions. The burden of conscience, while believing themselves to be civilized, is deeply condemning. In the pursuit of civility, justice, and true judgment, blame must be assigned; without it, how can we ever arrive at the truth? Accepting one's deeds is the first step toward healing between the victim and the perpetrator of violence. The rapist must be held accountable for their egregious behavior, as must the thief and the murderer. This accountability is the foundation of reconciliation and the formation of a just society.
The dysfunctionality of the victim cannot be attributed solely to the rapist; nevertheless, the greatest trauma must be examined first, and our root cause analysis leads us to the act of rape. The victim demands justice. As long as justice is deferred, amends cannot be made. To ease the burden of conscience, the perpetrator of the crime seeks comforting words to excuse their brutality while they continue to indulge in a false self-image that separates them from their criminal past. In their quest to justify their inhumanity, they listen to those who speak in their favor - individuals who, out of trauma, adopt a self-deprecating stance, confusing survival with well constructed arguments. As a result, the victim placates the rapist, who remains free and retains the power to commit the same crime again.
This survival mechanism arises because the very system that violated the victim's humanity - the court and the law - also serves as the perpetrator. We are blinded by our own arrogance, anchored to a reality built upon a false sense of self. But if humanity cannot judge truthfully, then time will.
“Chill chill chill he was presumptive but he has the right to speak”
This is the other 1/2 of our government.
Can’t believe it
That was a brutal interjection by Chairman Cohen, he went full Democrat there as he incorporated some inner urban slang into his vernacular.
MrHabart the guy is a complete tool
Absolutely right! “He was presumptive”....because he’s not 100% agreeing with you I guess🤦🏻♂️
chill dawg
unfortunately you are correct. the little puppet was paid to speak...against reparations.
Thank you for this video. I lean towards Hughes but I need to listen to the opposing arguments as well ergo I've been listening to several James Baldwin videos (learning quite a lot or attempting to)
When I was 22, despite being in my last year at Oxford, I spent most of my time in bars, pissed and talking shit. These blokes make me feel I've wasted what used to be a half-decent brain.
You probably did. I know I did. And I didn't drink or go to bars. Fortunately, I've made up for it some. ;)
Sadly I have to agree I did a similar thing; ah, the benefits of hindsight!
Hey, it’s never too late to do better.
Wonderful, high quality exchange we can all learn from
10:20 "he was presumptive but he still has a right to speak". He was presumptive?? Wtf kind of kangaroo council is this? Why is he making qualitative judgements about Coleman's statements there?
Because he's allowed to. He's on the senate.
@@derekmayers-louther not an excuse
@@moonlitegram biases are the base we build our beliefs he had a bias that was deep in there but hey at least they even let him speak some black people don't even get that far
@@derekmayers-louther lol now I know why it didn’t bother you
@@moonlitegram well its true it bothered me but wtf am I gonna do i could oust him but big corporations run our country
Coleman nailed it imo
Nah he should show some solidarity. His arguments are weak.
Don’t see how Coleman nailed anything ☕️
Coleman is miles ahead of coates. Coates makes a beautiful frame that taps into emotion. Then he sprinkles in specific references to history. While he says we should take the whole of history into account, then we should take the bad and good together. He doesnt do that. He highlights the negative aspects and downplays any notion that a fight against those negative aspects took place from all americans, which led us to actually voting barack obama into office because he was the best candidate we had. He would have been reelected in 2016 if it was legal. What led to THAT is nothing coates would prefer to discuss unless it puts white americans into a negative box.
MsFreshadenu but Coates writes for the Atlantic and is a best selling author. He is one of the country’s leading intellectuals. Coleman is still in school
@@tijan8948 you're not wrong about coleman being in school or coates being a best selling author, tho its a huge stretch to consider coates of the country's leading intellectuals. He's not. He's just a popular writer.
If you'd like to judge them based on what they've done so far instead of what they've said, then ill direct you to look into shelby steele and Coates talking on something similar. Look into shelbys career. Do you agree more with shelby because of his accomplishments? Or nah? While you're at it, check another writer for the atlantic (john mcwhorter) speaking to coates on bloggingheads just before obama was elected and see if you recognize the talking points coates had before he blew up. He changed his narrative and it made him money. He writes that way because it makes him richer. Its what people want to read. Its not because its all true. Its just beautifully written
Every now and then you hear a speaker who just crystallizes an argument. Coleman Hughes is an king-esque voice for peace.
no he just validates your racist feelings and whenever you get called a racist you can hold him up like "see this black man said exactly what i agree with"
@@aquilhall262 lmao calm yourself
@@aquilhall262 were you that black woman hooting and hollering resentment and disagreement in the video?
Anyone realize that the new speaker of the house is in this video?
I’ve heard my black friends tell me that Coleman’s opinions aren’t legit cuz he “isn’t black enough”.
Hmm...so there’s that?!
Education is scary to a wide spread of Africans Americans
Because he speaks clearly and intelligently?
I hate the stereotype that a black person isn't really black unless they have a thick accent with improper English.
Justin Z he is not smart, just pandering to whites.
Eddie Sengola
And Eddie Sengola is the racist cretin that want to keep black folks down!
@@eddiesengola4491 That's a lovely theory. Except that this isn't a "white" view. Views don't have color. Don't be a racist.
If you think he's wrong, show how he's wrong. He actually gave data. Coates is just all emotion. Sorry, that's not how reality works.
Now I see why glen loury lights up when he has Coleman on his show ,, that young man is going places ,, the other one is an al sharpton type ,,,
Coleman is Bearing the torch of Freedom in this country. He is well researched and speaking the truth. Thomas Sowell is smiling right now.
Have you seen Coleman on the subway in his titey whiteys?
Nah.
There were no federal pensions for confederate soldiers, pretty misleading statement at the beginning there. Some southern states did that, but only Union soldiers and families received pensions on a federal level for the Civil War.
Omg thank you for introducing this young man into my life! He is AMAZING! And every word he said was spot on!!!
Coates: "disparity, ergo slavery, jim crow, and racism."
Coleman: "why do you expect disparity to be the exception and not the norm?"
This is exactly what our culture is struggling with, hard.
That’s an accurate depiction of their stances more or less but I feel like it demonstrates the err in Coleman’s premise. Equality of outcome is foolish and has never been the aim. However, equality of opportunity or the lack thereof is the single greatest ideal this country has staked its existence on.
@@AdamEdn I'm not 100% following on what Coleman's err is by your comment. Do you mind clarifying a bit? Your comment on equality of outcome being a disastrous goal to have vs equality of opportunity being a noble goal to have, I agree with this 100%. I just don't see how you're lining it with Coleman's point is all. Thanks in advance!
j4s2v1 how is fighting for equality a victim mentality?
And if the roles were reversed? We would tell white Americans to shut up too? How come we don’t ignore them when they have issues?
"Chill! Chill, chill, chill..."
Thank you Mr. Coates! Thank you for the facts and historical context.
Very well spoken Coleman, but completely presumptuous.
Coates's did make some decent arguments that I understood, and I thought they had merit. The thing that is so maddening about these activist types, is they dismiss very valid arguments without so much as side note or second thought. Hughes brought up the fact that there are disparities "within" ethnic groups given different nationalities, that is normal, then Coates dismisses it and brings up disparities in his very next point as proof of systematic racism. The biggest problem I see with reperations is simple, if we did pay reperations, if I got taxed just for being a white person, would that make up for slavery? Would we be even? Of course not, these race hustlers who make a living off of claiming racism everywhere will simply move the goal post, they will most definitely claim that it makes up for nothing, and the reparations need to go further, more, and more, and more needs to be done. Literally nothing will be an acceptable amends, so why do this big spending bill to make an apology that will not be accepted?
I actually agree with some of what you are saying and disagree with other points. I don't believe it is practical (although logical) to pay every descendant of slaves in America. The task is impossible. But reparations for those that lived through Jim Crow and Civil Rights, who fought in wars and were denied benefits afforded whites, who were denied loans based on color and not credit or work ethic should be addressed.
The problem is that American has continually added lip service to a problem they created and refuse to deal with every generation. Reparations were requested and voted against since the end of slavery. It is not new. But the truth is that if more than 1/2 th wealth created in this country during slavery was because of slavery then that should be addressed. America was in no position to expand this country or build this country without that money created by brutality. NYSE bought and sold slaves. Colleges bought and sold slaves. Banks allowed the use of slavery as collateral. Railroads used slaves. Blacks were incarcerated and used as slaves in coal mines. There is not one aspect of this country that slavery or black prison labor (now known to be the 2nd slave form) was not a part of. And whites benefited from the fruit of that torture (often unknowingly) since this country was founded. Slave owners were given reparations but not the slaves. Their families benefited twice.
We are continually put in he position of telling the government why reparations of some sort is necessary and deserving when they should have to dig through the annuls and prove why it is not deserving. The only argument they ever have is, we weren't alive then. And they are running out the clock so that Jim Crow survivors will all die and they can say, well they aren't alive now. It has always been a game and a sham. Besides America has paid reparations in the past (to slave owners for loss of property - now that is mucked up) and they have received reparations.
@@denisesalt9729 I agree with some of what you said, the first part, but the idea that half of this country's wealth was built through slavery is false, WW2 was actually the birth of the US as a super power, and slavery was not nearly that profitable, the north was far far wealthier than the south and the south was the ones with all the plantations, I just heard Ben Shapiro talking about this, and forgive me for not remembering the details, but he brought a bunch of examples, and made the point that free market capitalism always outperformed slave labor, turns out enslaving a population and having them work in horrendous conditions with no reward, is not a sustainable business model, and does not produce the best results, relative to an engaged workforce of free people that is.
If you ask for handouts right or wrong you risk being considered by everyone else as freeloaders, I think this is what would happen in reality, reparations from others who weren't even alive during slavery would only buy black people the contempt of the rest of the population, it's like getting free poison.
Well just looking at certain areas that are "gethoized" it would make sense to create some programs that assists people to uplift themselves from those hellish conditions that are at least partly the heritage of slavery and systemic racism. As for taxing white people. Here in Germany after the fall of the Berlin Wall, west germans payed what was called Solidaritätszuschlag (something like a solidarity tax) to uplift those impoverished parts of eastern Germany that lived through the communist regime. So it is possible, since we also payed reperarions to holocaust survivers after WW2. These things are not that uncommon it just seems americans are very reluctant to handle such problems since it tarnishes their inflated hyper nationalist self-image.
@@jeangold8789 What do you know about America? Your German, so who are you to act like you know anything about us? Germans paid money to Holocaust survivors? Like they were directly affected? The Germans who paid were direct participants in a gross atrocity? How is that the same as paying hundreds of years later? How is it the same when we have had so many new arrivals, whose ancestors either weren't slaves, or whose ancestors did not enslave anyone? Please tell me how America's original sin, that the bloodiest war in American history was fought to end, is the same as you white supremacists trying to kill off an entire race and conquer the world? Not that long ago either. How can you, a German, play the moral high ground with us? Huh?
Coleman Hughes is the man.
Mr. Coleman is so intelligent. I personally agree with Mr. Coates, but I can't wait to see how Coleman's views evolve. He's on to something and has helped see the holes in my own argument. I cant wait for him to publish some books.
Mr. Hughes just graduated from Columbia, and whatever direction he moves in I suspect will be interesting if nothing else
I enjoy listening to him speak and his ideas will evolve over time like all of us as we get older. Not being patronising but isn’t he a little bit inexperienced to be asked to be involved in something as serious and complex as this?
@@jondazeishere I think it depends on how well you have read, and your life experiences. were he a teenager I might be more inclined to agree. but mid twenties isn't too young to have an informed opinion
He's on to the fact that their is a market being a black conservative.
@@d0cn0tes and black intellectuals
The booing that happened after the second man spoke was absolutely unbelievable. Summed up the black culture in a nutshell. The second mans speech was amazing and phenomenal, how you boo that is baffling.
Really bro ? Sums up black culture ? 😂 that says a lot about you
@@tijan8948 It does we should stop blaming everything on the white man and acting like the government can fix our communities with a check.
@IT'S A SIN!!! Lol, yur funny... i really dont have high hopes for your career, what with all that Meth you be smokin
@IT'S A SIN!!! by the way, I graduated with a 4.0 GPA from college and got 730 on my GMAT 97th percentile, the pre MBA test, and gainfully employed
@@cooleekbrown1728 not about that my brother. its called Truth and Reconciliation. Mandela and Desmond Tutu ran that process in South Africa and helped the country peacefully transition to black majority democracy
This was an excellent debate IMO. We need this type of dialogue and not endless protests.
Agreed
The real question is... Why do people still think that money will solve their problems?
Because they're fucking stupid 😉
@Fortescue no because black people will spend it on stupid shit like belt buckles, fast food, cars, and designer clothes, instead of saving it for future generations like any half educated human being.
@@user-mq1up2fw4r who said reparations had to be money first of all... secondly what in this country moves without some type of financial backing??
Money can’t fix morals
@@dc3011 well that is the truth!
Whenever we accept the devils olive branch of victimhood, we always sacrifice our soul for the excuse. We only experience the outcome individually so why not hold onto your god given sovereignty?
My great great grandfather was a former slave and had over 400 acres of land that he distributed to his children in MS. He was a MAN, not a victim and wasn't expecting to get reparations nor a hand out.
A famous civil rights leader said many times the American people do more for the humanities in our country than all the politicians, celebrities, pro athletes, educators, and institutions put together. I agree.