DCS Mi-24P Hind Moving Map Navigation Tutorial
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- A quick tutorial on how to use the 'Moving map' with a demonstration flight afterwards. Covering drift, navigation, limitations and planning.
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Please note this was recorded on the early access initial release, and a few bugs are present.
00:00 How to navigate with the Moving Map
03:56 Flying the route
04:32 Correcting for system drift
07:23 Back on course
08:53 Control binds (optional)
09:15 Arrival at destination and outro
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I enjoy your Mi24 content, explaining the lesser known systems instead of rehashing well known subjects like the missiles or the cold start, which other channels rush out to make :)
That's what happens when you care for the community and cover holes in the manual rather than chasing a quick buck!
Takes a while to figure these things out undocumented, so I'm glad to help out.
I agree 100%, thanks a lot for your effort.
One very important thing: the air probe to DISS (doppler) switch on the left console must be off (down) for this to work properly, otherwise the doppler system shows wrong data and your position on the map will be completely off.
Ah! I believe that has been causing me serious issues. Thanks for the tip!! (This comment should be pinned)
@@XCHECK glad I could help.
Thanks for the tip. Do you know what the switch is for? (i.e. why you'd turn it on?). I assume that this is the DOPPLER switch under the letters A and V of RADIO NAVIGATION? Thanks.
@@weswheel4834 the name implies that with that switch on, the DISS doppler nav system receives airspeed data from the airspeed indicator. I assume it's some sort of backup, but I don't know for sure. As for the specific location, I'm not next to my PC, can't check.
@@antonbatura8385 Okay thanks. It might be a different switch (the one I mentioned might be for the Doppler itself). Your explanation of what the Airprobe to DISS switch does sounds plausible though anyway, thanks :) edit: Ah, by the look of it, the AIRSPEED to DISS switch is to the right of the main doppler switch (under the first I in the word NAVIGATION).
This moving map is perhaps the most beautiful system in the whole module. Just as i remember it from the real counterpart, it´s never correct, always wants readjustments and is absolutely useless at night. But it will work in any apocalypse scenario imaginable.
ED did a really nice job here - love it !
The Diss-15 doppler system tracks differently over water, than it does over land. To minimize drift when crossing bodies of water, there is a LAND-SEA selector on the drift gauge :)
Not a problem for crossing something small, but should be switched accordingly when passing over a big lake/the sea ^^
//A Mi-8 pilot
Thanks, this is the trouble with covering un-documented features! Didn't realise the Mi-8 had a similar system (I assume minus the map?) Been using the mi-8 guides for help figuring out some systems in the Hind.
Hey where would that switch be or what is it called. Cant find anything labeled land/sea
It's visible at 3:36, the big dial under the maps left corner. Bottom right of that dial there is a small switch :)
@@RedKiteRender There's a readme included in the Mi-8MTV2 module. Just look the DISS section up. The nav system is simplier and located at the second pilot's station with a little control and display panel.
Note that DISS goes to MEMORY or even OFF mode if you exceed certain angles, which can lead to discrepancies in the data provided.
So in real Mi-24 does the zoom knob exist? How would it even zoom in the paper map?
This system is really curious, the engineering behind it, is actually really impressive.
Something similar is used in many older helicopters! really clever solution.
any videos or documentation explaining it? always wondered how that system works
I absolutely love these analogue navigation systems and the heavy feeling of the Hind. I didn't know I needed this helicopter so much. Thanks for the video!
Redkite, thank you very much for your effort. Your videos are from my point of view the best that can be found on UA-cam. I have little more than a thousand hours in DCS (I have all the modules). However so far no one has made an explanatory video about the keybinds in the Hind. The few that there are are confusing and chaotic. Obviously maybe in the rush of being the first to upload a tutorial on it. Maybe if you have some time you can upload one with your recommendations. Thank you very much for all your efforts for the DCS community.
Keys are fairly simple on the hind although made a little awkward if you want to bind the front seat too. Only really need the flight controls, brakes, Petro ai, weapon release and weapon select dial for convenience. Then, if you find yourself using a cockpit control frequently consider adding it to your hotas.
The Tutorial Master strikes again. Well done!
Thanks Chuck! How's your guide coming together! Happy to lend a hand.
Sure missed your outstanding tutorials. Very nice to see you back.
Thank you so much for your great work.
Easy Redkite, post one more video and you've got more tutorials than what the Hind shipped with ;)
Jokes aside, this rotor is a blast and can't wait to get my hands on all bits of information to master this whirlybird.
Like how they've already added drift, or the imperfection of the doppler system.
Wow! That was very quick. Thanks Mr Kite.
Highly informative. Lets hope these minor issues you identified get fixed quickly.
Thank you for taking the time to do the research that was needed to make this informative video for us RedKite.
as always, wonderfully clear and concise tutorial!
Thank you for making quality content! I hope you cover all the systems as your ability to teach is superior than the “other”channels
Thank you!
Phenomenal video, Red! Covering little known systems is very special. I must admit that this caught me by surprise. I initially thought that map box was just that. And I am a sucker for odd and old navigational systems, a science and an art that is being lost by the "sons of magenta", everybody is overly dependent/ addicted to GPS. And yes, this kind of systems do need updates every now and then. The old nav system on the A-10A used an old INS , and you had to hit the erection button on that system for this purpose. I don't believe it was modelled for that aircraft, but is is very nice to see it modelled here in the Hind.
I started sims with ww2 warbirds, used to run low level strikes from France to Maidstone, England with the bf-110 treetop the whole way in il-2 CLOD. Really satisfying to navigate manually after all the planning and prep. GPS can kind of kill the fun of that, but lets you focus on other aspects. I think this and systems like the Viggen are great middle grounds, having their own complexities and reliance on route planning!
Very cool tutorial- looks like I will have to brush up on my VFR flying
Another great tutorial video, cheers mate! Let's hope the shortcuts to the adjustment knobs get added soon (same for targeting display brightness).
Yeah it's getting a little frustrating being unable to bind a bunch of useful extra things.
This is probably my favorite little feature. Old school, like something in between Viggen Nav system and just using f10 map in a huey.
Instead of ocean sounds, I listen to RedKite to relax. What a voice.
Dude! Thank you! One thing I was perplexed by!
Soviet (and many contemporary Russian) technological solutions never fail to impress with their elegant practicality. Of course they often require a bit of extra effort to properly use and sometimes produce results that aren't what many would consider "optimal", but nothing good in life should be easy.
there were doppler-driven moving maps all over the world from the 60s onwards - they weren't a Soviet specialty. they were installed in the Trident airliners, for example
excellent tips as always !
That is a pretty neat little system. Though I think I'll stick to visual nav until it gets fleshed out a bit more. It almost seems like I'd spend as much time correcting my navaid as I am actually flying the route.. lol Great vid as always RK!
Instead of fiddling with it while you are making your waypoint adjustment, set it to a point you know you are going to overfly, turn it off, then once you are in that position, turn it back on.
great tutorial thanks!
Very informative thanks.
what a soothing voice
If you are going to move the position of the map cursor, could you then disable the map and turn it on as you pass the desired mark? Might save the trouble of moving the cursor constantly.
Yes you could, although in the moment I didn't think of it! Set it up prior to reaching, turn off and re-enable as you overfly it.
Great Vid Cheers.
Thanks for this!
Thanks a lot from France 🇨🇵🐸🇨🇵
The map is great in conjunction with the Dopllar navigation system and route mode.
Awesome video, small thing I noticed, at 5:32, wouldn't it be easier to turn off the moving map, readjust the position and when you fly over your landmark you turn the moving map back on ?
That's a good idea if you're setting to a waypoint you'll overfly yes!
You Sir, get a gold star!
My thoughts exactly.
Hey red kite always love your tutorials. They are always so calm and cool. Anyway wondering like me if you were surprised at how quickly the hind can hit max takeoff weight. Also I find the hind rather hard to bring to a stop especially if you get moving around 300 km/hr also saw the dcs website someone released a mod for the English cockpit adding VRS markers on the vertical velocity indicator and also the hover indicator. Like the mi8 I have had the hind in a vortex ring state already lol.
Thanks Big help
Brilliant video hope we get a landing one soon lol
Ikr? Wags never produced one -- oddly.
I'm not practiced enough with the Hind to land it smoothly at the moment, but:
Wags released his notes for landing recently : forums.eagle.ru/topic/274493-mi-24p-landing-notes/
If you're familiar with things like VRS, ground effect and translational lift that's probably enough to get you in the right direction.
@@RedKiteRender I'll have to check it out thanks
@@RedKiteRender Great content as always Redkite, and thanks for not publishing tutorials where you fail to demonstrate the very thing you are trying to teach, such as a very recent landing 'tutorial' I saw (naming no names...)
@@DRAGONslayer-sv8bh Highly recommend Casmo's content, he just put out a great landing tutorial: ua-cam.com/video/sedHAMB1V6I/v-deo.html
Awesome vid! I was expecting my map to drift, but it seems to go on the opposite direction I am flying! What needs to be confogured to make sure it follows correctly, I was hoping to see how to set everything correctly for a good moving map operation.
Make sure the Air probe to DISS is off, I believe.
Very helpful video, thanks for sharing!
Do you happen to know if the gunsight for the gunner can be activated already?
Its very much work in progress best I can tell. It is activated, if you crouch down you'll find the pipper, but it's bore sighted to zero range, effectively stowed and cannot be adjusted yet.
@@RedKiteRender ahh, thanks a lot. I will try lowering my viewpoint. Shooting blindly wasn't too much of a success ;)
R Shift + K brings up your kneeboard which has course heading for the route...
We dont use knee boards
@@mr.simulator4724 Why on earth not?
Mr Redkite...do you have a location where you have your HOTAS files or at least mapping diagram as per specific plane?
I don't, however all you normally need is detailed in manuals, look at the actual flight controls of the aircraft you're using and bind them to your stick/throttle. Then if you find yourself frequently pressing cockpit controls add those to the base of your throttle.
FFS RedKite, turn your fan on
The fan can be visually annoying to some. Perhaps Red, like myself prefer it off. =p
I'm not fussed either way haha
Excellent tutorial. I was wondering how to use that...not enough to read the manual of course 😁 Finally a use for the extra dials on my Gladiator NXT.
I wish the manual wasn't quite so limited, I think the Hind was pushed out the door a week or two early.
When I change the scale I just get a black picture instead of more detailed map... anything you had to setup to use the "zoom" function?
It'll depend on the map coverage available. Some places simply don't have map details, you'll see a segment in this video where there's a mostly black slide. Nothing we can do to fix that, it's on the terrain maker to fill in the gaps.
Do waypoints have to be pre-set in the mission or is it possible to add them via the F10 map?
Only in the mission editor for now
I’m not positive if the power switch works this way, but assuming the moving map power button prevents the cursor from moving, wouldn’t it be easier for updating you pos to turn off the map, update your pos with a landmark or something via the two knobs, then just turn the moving map back on once your aircraft intersects the cursors pos to resume navigation?
Yes, it turns off the glass display's tracking, not the underlying systems it uses. You could certainly use it as a pause button, although it didn't occur to me whilst recording.
@@RedKiteRender Nice. Yea not a problem dude. The idea didn't dawn on me until I saw the part in your video where you did the update on that peninsula...kind of like a lightbulb going off lol.
Love your work by the way man. Been watching and using your DCS tutorials for YEARS.
Thanks, one of the troubles of being focused on narrating a task after spending hours figuring the thing out with trial and error, burns you out a little! Wish the manual had covered a bit more.
@@RedKiteRender yea i can relate. Took me longer than id like to admit to find out how to get the compass to point toward a beacon.
I bet they'll release an NS430 add on for it at some point.
No doubt, though I'm rather fond of this system. Hope we can make custom slides for it one day.
If you hold Shift while moving a knob style control with the mouse it's move a lot faster.
I'd like to know how this thing really works. I hate the fake stuff. And don't even get me started on Petrovich! LOL!
What are your graphic settings?
Take a look at the intro to my clouds benchmark video I did a little while ago, they're shown there.
Any other watch geeks eyeing that cockpit chronograph?
I used to have two or three of those when I was a kid. When grandpa was grounded for health, he remained in service as a mechanic on Tu-16 and 22M3. I wish now I kept them.
But I think they were slightly radioactive. Not a big thing for Ukraine, we still glow a bit after 1986, but still.
@@antonbatura8385 What an awesome anecdote!
@@acrobaticfish I still have an old 23 mm shell he got me for 6 year old birthday. It's polished shiny and has a very nice congratulation engraved on it. Grandpa would bring me cool stuff like that from time to time. Believe it or not, I even had a part of a gyroscope, the rotating one.
Why is it that all these guys doing reviews haven't figured out you can use the mouse scroll wheel with these knobs and wheels. It's much easier.
Review? I'm well aware of using the scroll wheel, I prefer clicking and dragging. Using scroll is slow and annoying, because you've got to keep your head unnaturally still and the cursor steady over what you're interacting with, which if zoomed out is difficult. Click/drag gives much greater adjustment without dependence on staying still.
@@RedKiteRender I've got an axis for zoom so I zoom in a little and have a Logitech mouse where you can unlock the scrool wheel and it will free spin. I use the Logitech g502. Works very well for me.
Then your scroll wheel probably spins a lot faster than most making it practical.
@@RedKiteRender yes its as fast as a flip of a switch for things like lights in the huey. Really works well.
no first impression, no first flight, no first look...
kite dives in deep from the very start!
Its because your fan is off!
Russian designs are so screwy but at the time this aircraft was designed I doubt there was any other way to having a detailed color moving map display. Same thing with venting. In US warplanes as well as civilian, cooling and air is via ducting, but the Russians always seem to have a freaking fan right in your face. Just a different approach.