Kjelle is at least notable because she is the earliest armor unit you can recruit in the game. It’s still weird that Gen 1 didn’t have any armors in awakening.
Sothe would be the most forgettable unit of path of radiance, but nintendo and intellengt systems decided making him the literal co-protagonist of the sequel
Dunno. I liked him for his rapid growth. Though por was my first fire emblem game and launched me into a series I love and I remember most of the cast still, so..
But that's all she does. She recruits one guy on the only map she's force deployed for and is otherwise inferior to Moulder in every way other than the fact she comes with a Mend staff.
Id say the fact that she can become a bishop and by proxy get the slayer skill which id say surface wise makes any light mage the most important endgame mage from a general standpoint. Syrene is the last part of the triangle attack at the very least in terms of being memorable. Now what I wanna know is what's so memorable about Kyle personally?
@@Zerobasssoul kyle is arguably the best paladin behind seth. while franz joins earlier, kyle gets access to chapter 5x which gives him boatloads of experience. he's likely to reach level 9-10 in chapter 5x alone. basically the way I see it is that if franz isnt leveling well or you just would rather pour exp into other units, kyle's an amazing pick to use.
For Fates I'd argue it's Yukimura, not just because he's a forgettable character, but because it's easy to forget he's playable. It's bad enough being locked behind specific castle upgrades, but he gets the worst of it. Flora and Izana are available in two routes each, meanwhile Fuga is a strong unit in a route full of units with horrible bases. Yukimura, meanwhile, is only available in Birthright and is really unremarkable in combat. Even child units like Hisame and Ignatius are at least directly tied to someone already in your army. All the men in Fates have a child, and if you go through each one, you'll find their child. Yukimura has an obscure recruitment method, is weak in combat, can ONLY support with Corrin, and is only available in one route, which isn't even the golden route. As for Awakening, I was gonna suggest an armor knight, but aside from Kjelle no one comes to mind...
What's amazing is, I was thinking to myself the other day "Man, why are the glasses-wearing characters in FE so unpopular? Laurent, Miriel, Ignatz, Sugimura..." Then it hit me--In that moment, I forgot Yukumura's name.
Nah, you at least fight yukimura in the last couple chapters of conquest, and have to plan around his passive skills on higher difficulties, you remember him as an enemy if nothing else. Its azama's kid mitama who's the most forgettable. Azama himself has a lot of competition between sakura and jakob/felicia as a staff unit, and making him work as a combat unit requires a bit of investment, investment you probably won't even bother with in rev in particular because you get him right before valla. And going through the work of getting him hitched only rewards you with ANOTHER staffbot when you already have plenty.
@@scrapyarddragonAt least Mitama is somewhat memorable because of her haiku gimmick sticking out and being somewhat funny. Personally I actually did guess Ignatius before he said it, so I was right.
I forgot Ignatius as well, I am a massive fates apologist and I vouche in favor of all 3 pathways, plus many of more polarized characters like Corrin, Camilla, Takumi, and hell, the child units as well. Hell some of my favorite characters in fates are the 2nd generation characters like Kana, Shigure, Selkie, Velouria, Soleil, Ophelia, Nina, Caladori, Midori, Sophie, ect. So the fact that I forget about Ignatius says a lot. Pretty good video BTW. There's some units I disagree being on here but for the most part it's pretty good. Hope this channel grows.
I was going to say, pretty sure it's not Natasha, I distinctly remembered her being notable for a while chapter and a half. But I couldn't remember anyone more forgettable. Your candidate, by virtue of getting me to respond with "Who?" gets my vote.
Gilbert is very forgettable if you're Golden Deer or Black Eagles due to being unplayable. This is true. But he's actually unforgettable in Blue Lions for one reason: the game makes you think Dedue is gone for good (which he can be if you either didn't do his paralogue, or failed to save enough Duscur troops during it) so they give you Gilbert to replace him. A lot of people (at least at launch), really liked, even loved, Dedue. So to seemingly kill him off screen, only to replace him with Deadbeat Dad of the Millenium is a pretty big deal a lot of players will never forget, meaning Gilbert as well will never be forgotten.
@@smward87 Does the cutscene after the Paralogue change if you don't save enough? When I did it, the cutscene had the General remark that Duscur don't forget their grudges or favors.
And even if Dedue comes back, Gilbert still takes his place in the story as Dimitri's advisor -_- Also, Gilbert is, for some reason, one of three launch characters male Byleth can S-support
just a small nitpick, kjelle was added to heroes far before laurent was, kjelle being added in june of 2019 and laurent being added december of 2023. but absolutely great video as a whole, very entertaining (and i did not remember 90% of these characters existed)
Alright so I am gonna be honest. I forgot there was any armored units playable in Awakening, and thought that it was odd. Then I remembered Kjelle, and said but thats a child unit, was there really no armored units in the Shepherds? And you know what… I don’t think there was. Can’t remember them.
The thing I find really funny about Laurent and Kjelle is they're actually some of the child units that are actually feasible to use on no grinding runs cause their paralouges are relatively easy compared to the other ones.
That's because the difficulty of the child paralogues are scaled based on the order of which you recruit their parents. Sully and Miriel are early game units, so their kids' paralogues are among the easiest, while Inigo and Gerome have the hardest paralogues because their mothers are recruited last.
@@Gracereza Yeah Kjelle is lowkey the only child unit I've used on my lunatic runs. I love Severa but I swear to god her paralogue is actual torture if you try to do it as soon as you unlock it
@@jimjimson6208the thing is you can easily cheese her paralouge with a warp staff since they also work on ally units in awakening so you can clean up the enemy units before she goes in
@@jimjimson6208Nothing in that game compares to the stress i felt while spamming rescue every round and watching it slowly run out of uses as a third assassin closes in
I remember Saphir mainly because she is one of the few old woman units in the series. Another reason I remember her is because of her ridiculous age that was apparently datamined. She can't be 35, she looks possibly older than Lindon to me.
I agree with that. I would actually pick her mate Muarim more usually because in PoR, I'm already using either Lethe or Mordecai and am not swapping for him. Vika is at least in the smaller bird pool
@@eemelikorteniemi3966Mycen, at least in SoV, was definitely more prominent. He's your main unit in the prologue, he's featured in chapter 1, consistently mentioned by Alm, the villagers, and Clive and has an overall plot important, even being deeply tied to the villain.
@@NPP_1 yeah. Nomah is just much less relevant. You see him at the start of Celica's story, but after I am unsure if he is mentioned much until he is recruited
Despite having recruited him, he was my first pick to most forgettable unit in SoV. 😂 Plus his support with Celica is just him being a creep towards her.
Laurent came to Heroes last. Much much later but its fitting as he was first to arrive in the future and wandered alone for some time. In heroes its reversed he arrived as the final child unit to get into FEH(as Severa had a alt and Selena too). Also he is remembered by bein bullied cuz hes the only child unit who cannot learn Galefore 😢😂.
Actually he's not the only one, Gerome and Yarne can't get their hands on Galeforce either, although yeah makes sense why he was a bit more bullied, cause at least the other two have something to them
@@qtpie1144 Any female unit who gives birth to a daughter can have her pick up galeforce if the father has access to the pegasus classline (Donnel & Gaius). Miriel, Panne and Cherche all don’t have pegasus in their base class list and give birth to sons so they all are incapable of learning galeforce while 2 of the other non-pegasus mothers can at least marry one of the guys that allow access to it.
The most forgettable unit in awakening isn't Kjelle. It's not even one of the child units. The fact that he wasn't even mentioned in the discussion goes to show how forgotten this unit is. NOBODY remembers Kellam.
@@sonic26000 I actually thought Stahl would be the choice for Awakening. I suspect both of these characters were too forgettable even to come to mind for consideration.
@@PublicNMEno1 you know I honestly forgot about that one too I honestly preferred Sully over him I feel like with cavalier units however there's always going to be one you're going to use from start to finish and the other is guaranteed bench at least with the other one that I benched they could at least be memorable but Stahl not very memorable for me
With the whole Lindon vs Saphir arguement. I would like to bring up, Saphir atleast makes a brief appearance in a cutscene very early into the game. Lindon has nothing until he shows up Lindon could have benefited from the same. Showing up in a chapter 10 cutscene to briefly comfort hortensia over ivy going missing.
I'd argue that Lindon is more popular because he has a fun personal skill to play with if you want to use him like a magic Panette, whereas Saphir is just another Warrior unit (which you probably already have enough of if you've been using units like Boucheron, reclassed Etie and Panette). Lindon is recruited at the relative end of his chapter and carries a Thoron tome, so he can 3 range poke any leftover units whereas Saphir is recruited at the start of the level with heavy weapons that slow her down, so unless you have some loose Axes and Bows in your inventory, she likely won't even contribute in the chapter you recruit her in. If you have the Olwain ring (Brave Thunder) and a forged Thunder Tome with a crit engraving, Lindon can nuke things from 3 range because his personal skill boosts his crit rate if the weapon he's using is a lower tier than the enemy's. Since every enemy is likely carrying Silver grade weapons at this point, it makes it super easy to trigger. The biggest hurdle, of course, is getting the ring in the first place.
Just wanted to mention that Lindon's supports are hilarious (Making popcorn with Thunder). Too bad most people don't bother to use him in the first place which makes him forgettable.
The fact that I can see a picture of Nealuchi and remember his name after all this time is a testament to his memorability in the story. Meanwhile, I know that she's memorable for being the only female crow that we ever see, but I just cannot remember her name.
@@cupie2255I thought I rembered her name after you said female crow but then I realized I wasn't sure if it was Vika or Vilka which I guess shows she is pretty unmemorable. Beyond that i'd also make an argument for Kyza/Kysha being unmemorable since they don't even have Lyre's infamously bad reputation
@@AndzyGM Gareth has blood tide, so he gets a pass, Nealuchi is actually an okay unit for part 2, Vika is just barely usable for the maps you have her in part 1 and then disappears and is useless when she comes back. At least Meg and especially Fiona are so trash out the gate they're memorable.
The thing about Gilbert, he appears very often in the monastary and is a very notable green unit in the lance of ruin chapter, and i think those things would push him as more memorable than someone like jeritza, who is kinda just hiding in the monastery until he disappears to do death knight shenanigans
I think if you don’t recuit him and don’t do paralogues Cyril might have a shot at the most forgettable. He appears only once or twice in the story if you don’t seek him out exploring.
Small correction, but Path of Radiance had 2 characters who weren't playable in Radiant Dawn. Largo, who you mentioned, and the lovable Devdan, who completely dropped off the face of Tellius in-between games, only mentioned once in Radiant Dawn when recruiting the lovable Danved.
I'd argue that Kyza from Radiant Dawn is loads more forgettable than Nealuchi. Kyza is ass all the way through, is a completely new character with no supports, and at least Nealuchi was in the previous game (as a NPC) with a small part in the story. Nealuchi also appears throughout Radiant Dawn's story more than Kyza who fades away after their intro chapter IIRC.
Personally, I remember Kyza because my queer ass flipped when we got an official non binary character. Although in fairness, they are more forgettable than units like Lyre and Fiona who are memorable because they're such trash.
100% agreed, Kyza is the exact character that came to mind as soon as I saw the title of the video, ignoring the generic Radiant Dawn support 1 liners the guy has like a single set of lines in the entire game as an optional base convo (which doesn't even give an item I don't think) and then that's it. Not even a story line telling you he's joined or who he is like the just turns up silently in the bottom of your unit selection screen on that one map with the double Ike and Ranulf seize, and he sucks ass too so he's not even worth selecting on the map itself or ever again
@@I_Am54738 Hes not actually memorable at all and this isn't even in the original game its solely a translation thing. Nealuchi is an actual character that appears in both tellius games
Lorenz is one of the most memorable characters in Shadow Dragon imo. The eyepatch, only playable general in FE1, I feel like he's a pretty memorable character, and he has a pretty important role in the story of FE3. Just my opinion tho.
Lindon is a real one, his supports revolve around wanting to cast thunder on people. Being a misable red unit recruit is actually notable in a game, and an era, that so heavily lacks them.
I disagree with sacred stones and radiant dawn. Natasha brings some new information to the player party in her introduction chapter and recruits joshua, a quite memorable character and it is probably one of the most iconic enemy recruitments in the series. I'd probably pick syrene. She plays a decent enough role in her join chapter, but i just find myself forgetting her often and the competition in sacred stones is fierce. I don't find moulder forgettable as he's the best staff user and is almost always worth a spot in your team for a significant portion of the game. Nealuchi has a pretty big role in his join chapter. I'd pick kyza because honestly who is this guy
Ky...who? I love Radiant Dawn to bits and I'll even go so far as to say i actually like most of the new characters but I legitimately have no idea who that is.
I think Garcia should be considered as forgotten. His son is memorable as insanely powerful, but Garcia... I don't know anyone who would really consider him.
@@Keiji555 anyone who is playing the game in a speedy fashion (speed run, draft race) all prefer garcia since he has some immediate use over ross. Feel this is enough of a niche to make him not fully forgettable
I think I disagree with you on 4. While Daisy is completely forgettable, I think there's a fair number of people who may mess up rescuing Brigid in chapter 3 and be forced to use Daisy in a memorable sequence escaping with Shannan. I think far fewer people would mess up getting Ced and Fee, as Erinys gets automatically paired. While Hawk has the dubious distinction of being probably the best substitute - Hermina has absolutely nothing. She looks exactly like Fee, and has the exact same motivation, with none of the emotional core. Her first scene is unmemorable and then she may as well be another terrible flying unit
Funnily, as a meme for my first playthrough of SoV I gave Nomah the villager fork and grinded him to a ridiculous degree so he was actually my strongest and most memorable unit as a Dread Fighter by a pretty wide margin.
@@RuneTacticss size of the cast helps with that kind of stuff. Gaiden haven't the greatest charachters and all of them are relatively memorable because they're 32 splited in two groups and youre using them continously, and then there is radiant dawn with the +70 cast and availability issues
@@projectmessiah Nah Natasha being tied to Joshua's recruitment clenches that. Meanwhile Gilbert only is relevant in Blue Lions so he does not matter in 3 out of four routes
@@boredomkiller99 Yes but he's forced on you as an ally unit in part 1 and is emphasized and brought up by multiple characters when entering the monastery
I'd say Warren does have some value in other ways (like his presence handwaving the need to explain how the army got food in some of the more inhospitable areas) but even discounting that he still gets one or two banger lines at the very least. "Even if everyone else disappeared from this world... It wouldn't change a thing for me. And on the other hand, if I were to disappear from this world... It wouldn't change a thing for the world, either" is still a line I really like for some reason. Daisy actually does have a unique conversation with Deimne in the final chapter if they're married that's pretty important to the overall substitute narrative. They talk about how she feels that commoners like them aren't actually needed in the war when they can barely contribute anything compared to the Holy Bloods (ironic given the context of this video). It's a very depressing and grounded dialogue and kind of captures the essence of the substitute experience. If I had to pick a least memorable substitute it would easily be Femina, both her and Hawk add little to nothing to the substitute narrative but at least Hawk is good in gameplay I guess. Garret is the rare instance of FE actually showing what happens after a revenge story, and a lot of his story beats are about how he threw everything away for his revenge and didn't really have anywhere else to go in life after seizing it. Like many others in FE6's cast he has good bits of writing that aren't hinted at very well in his introduction in the main plot's script.
Nice video dude! However, i disagree on Daisy being the most forgettable character on FE4 because ironically, its pretty easy to have her as your substitute because her mom, brigid, has a big habit of dying to the pirate onslaught on the her joining chapter, or just not build enough love points to get married by the end of gen 1 (thats what happened with me even, and i was trying to pair her) So you'll see daisy more than one time if you play FE4 in a more lax way, my personal choice for FE4's most forgettable substituite is Jeanne, because not only its hard to have raquesis die, but also she doesn't have anything going on for her besides her class of a mobile healer.
Jeanne isn't forgettable purely because she's Nanna's replacement, and hence does end up getting a bit of screentime whenever Leif is undergoing a misadventure.
I will not take this Lindon slander. He is such a funny unit and has one of the best personal skills in the game. I love him. Saphir on the other hand.
Giving my personal takes (using the remakes when applicable), I remembered all of these characters. Shadow Dragon: Horace, maybe. Honestly you could say just about any of the gaiden chapter characters. Most people don't see them. Echoes: Jesse? By the time you get him you have two myrms and Deen is also very viable (good unit and cool design). Mystery of the Emblem: Frost, easily. He just joins you in preps, there isn't even an active effort to get him. He's also from BSFE originally, which makes him even less memorable and obscure. Genealogy: I'd give it to Dalvin. He's just kinda sad and he's never did good on CYL either. His sister eclipses him. Thracia: I agree with you for Troude. Binding Blade: I unfortunately agree with Garret. I love Garret but nobody really cares about him. It's sad. Blazing Blade: I can also unfortunately agree with Geitz. He's one of my favorites but his recruitment condition sucks lol. Sacred Stones: I'd actually go with Syrene. Joins late in a spot where your core team should have already been decided. She just exists. Path of Radiance: I actually think Largo has some notability solely due to the fact he ISN'T playable in Radiant Dawn. I'd go with like... maybe Tauroneo...? He's notable in RD but in POR he's a generally forgettable midgame General that isn't great. Radiant Dawn: I feel like Nealuchi is actually one of the more memorable RD additions. He's existent in both games and in crowds that don't have as many notable characters and is a funnier character. I'd go with like, Renning. I've literally never seen anyone talk about him despite him being a character who should have an impact. Awakening: Agreed with Kjelle. Nobody else really fits imo. Fates: I'd go with Yukimura. Weird recruit, only on one route, not a memorable character, just kinda.. yeah. Never seen any fans. Ignatius isn't a bad choice though. Three Houses: For non Blue Lions routes, it's definitely Gilbert, but if you've played Blue Lions, I feel like it sortof goes into... Hanneman..? I dunno. It's hard. This cast is generally very well remembered, even the more minor characters. If I could answer Anna I would. Engage: Definitely Lindon, another unfortunate case imo.
If not Renning for RD, I'd go with probably Gareth. For 3H it's pretty simple I'd say. Nobody gives a damn about Anna because she doesn't have any supports and also joins with mediocre base stats. At least Hanneman gets some early story cutscenes and has a lot of really interesting support conversations. In Engage I honestly would pick Saphir over Lindon. Sure, Saphir is present in one cutscene but doesn't stand out as a unit. Her bases are just okay and her growths are some of the worst in the game. Meanwhile, Lindon has the privilege of being the only recruitable unit that initially is an enemy on his join map and has a well-earned reputation for his personal skill enabling some funny crit shenanigans.
@@_abaddon_2681 Gareth is definitely up there for sure. I was just thinking of the Mekkah video on him so I didn't count him on that merit, though the video has less views than I remember. I'd agree that Anna is easily the most forgettable, but she isn't a basegame unit so she didn't qualify for the original criteria of "No DLC units". That's why I wrote Hanneman. He has relevance for sure, and I really like what he has... bar his, weird endings. Yeah fair. Lindon does have some unique weirdness that I love about him. At the very least it is between him and Saphir, who were the ONLY two playable characters who weren't marketed
While Syrene is more forgettable than Natasha i'd personally nominate Fado since not a lot of people do the creature campaign and unlike the rest of the CC exclusives he has no plot relevance beyond being dead fire emblem dad #6
@@appelofdoom8211 If we include the CC cast (I didn’t count those) my vote would actually go to Hayden. At least Fado is the PROTAG’s dad, while Hayden doesn’t even get that honor.
Nealuchi has his scenes with Naesala, which makes him far more memorable than Vika, who turns up for the Dawn Brigade and is forgotten quickl afterwards
Hold on there buddy, Lorenz is one of the least forgettable characters in the Marth games. Firstly, he is a large part of the "Camus the Sable" bit, which is one of the coolest parts of fe1/Shadow dragon. If you play that chapter blind, the player expects Camus to be recruitable, but no matter what you try he will not sway. Lorenz being recruitable is the icing on the cake, and it's cool that this old dude over here is the guy you get instead of sympathetic Camus. Furthermore, he plays a big role in fe3 chapter 1 as he is the first boss. He has interesting political motivation and having the boss be one of the playable characters of the previous game is cool. Not to mention, he blows himself up with a bomb in a pretty shocking and meaningful way. It was one of the coolest character moments I've seen in a fe game. I don't know what he does in fe12 but I assume he still commits suicide. Everyone else you mentioned in 1/3/11/12 yeah idk who they are lol
He also shows up in Tokyo Mirage Sessions as the boss of the side quest 'Steel Heart'. Mamori wants to boost her confidence, so Draug suggests getting advice from Lorenz, who he greatly admires. However, Lorenz has been cursed, so you have to fight him first. And yes, he does still commit suicide in the remake, but the method differs. The sound effects imply that he just stabbed himself in the remake.
Lindon is FAR from the most forgettable unit in FE17. Many people love using him for his high crit rate. No, the most forgettable unit has to be Bunet. He’s just a walking meme.
Benny is one of my favorite units in fates and his support with Camilla is adorable Also Ignatius is a character i once roll played as back in the day lol
A couple things on the Kjelle vs Laurent: Kjelle is a possible daughter for Chrom, and while Sully is definitely a less popular choice, I feel like it still bumps up her memorability. Meanwhile, Laurent isn't even visible on his recruitment map, but rather you have to visit a temple with Miriel (and maybe Chrom?). I even completely missed him and had to look up what I was doing wrong on my first playthrough.
@@lspuria8440I think Lana's replacement is more memorable than other substitutes thanks to her convo with Seliph, I'd say that the replacement of Larcei's brother is more forgettable
Elen was a staple unit on my binding blade playthrough. She's the first unit I upgraded and probably the only unit other than Lillina that I brought with me for every single mission
Gonna have to disagree on some here Genealogy: Daisy is definitely not forgettable. Not only is she the most voted substitute in CYL, she still has utility as a thief and comes with the Sleep Sword, which is pretty good. Definitely not forgettable as a unit, even if she doesnt have good combat. I'd have picked Dalvin. He is Scathach's replacement and doesnt really do much. He has one unique convo and not much going for him as a unit (being a sword fighter in FE4 hurts). The guy he replaces isnt even particularly memorable either, which helps make him more forgotten. Runner-up would be Tristan, but he has more combat relevance than Dalvin. Thracia: Many units can go here and I dont think Troude is one of them. Aside from being a bit of a meme in FE5 circles, he's actually a solid unit. Yeah he can be tough to recruit, but he is notable in that chapter and as a unit. Someone more forgettable would probably be Conomor. He's not exactly a noteworthy unit and he can only be recruited by Miranda, who is only recruitable if you chose the B route, which is generally considered an inferior route and Miranda herself isnt a great unit either. Whats funny is that Conomor's earliest appearance is on the A route, where he cant be recruited. Sacred Stones: Many have said this but this should go to Syrene. Late join, mediocre unit, unlikely to see much use. Natasha has the perk of recruiting Joshua (your best myrmidon) and being a healer. Three Houses: Gilbert is far too infamous to be forgotten, especially when he plays a large role in Azure Moon. My pick here is probably Raphael. He doesnt have much going for him as a unit and is a pretty flat character in a more complex cast. I cant think of any noteworthy discussions about him besides people who like himbos (me, I'm people). Balthus can also take this place but has more going for him than Raphael.
Three Houses is hard because most of the support convos are actually really good and it's so easy to get pairings going. In that respect I'd have to go with Ignatz for the most forgettable, though I may have a slight bias there as I just don't really understand art and talking about it does nothing for me.
It hurts me to hear Engage's picks. I used Saphir for both my first and Maddening run of the game and she was amazing. A very funny character too with a great voice actress behind her!
I've played both Gaiden (when I was like 15) and Valentia (when I was like 25) and both times, I never got Nomah, despite knowing he's there. It's just so inconvenient to go back for him. |'D I would not put Roger in the list for Archanea though, his recruitment was so HILARIOUS, I could never forget it.
I was trying to think of somebody more forgettable than Natasha because SURELY there must be somebody, but I genuinely couldn't come up with anyone. Just comes to show how good the cast of SS is.
Going to be completely honest, I keep forgetting about Alfred's retainers in Engage. Saphir at least makes an appearance early on in the game, and Lindon had some nice supports, so they stuck out to me more than the retainers... :/
Alfred's retainers do have that early game utility where you will still be using them no matter what in the first few chapters even if you plan on benching them. Boucheron is your only source of chain attacks and Etie is pretty much your only hard counter to fliers until Lapis and Alcryst show up to allow you to replace them.
I would give the edge to Laurent mostly because Kjelle is technically able to be Chrom's daughter, there's a larger amount of people who had that happen by accident than ever intentionally used Merial enough. Yes I am commenting multiple times for your algorithm
No way in hell a thief or an healer is ever the most forgettable unit. You may want to field 2 or 3 staff user or 2 thieves in some cases, so you do keep them in your pocket. And you do keep in mind that they exist in ironman or other runs where you may not always reset. Every game has filler combat units that are way harder to justify. Case in point, i actually remember Daisy despite having used her once in my very first genealogy run almost 20 years ago(wich was a disaster because i did not know about gen 2) and even with garbage stats, pecunia non olet.
Me, who played Sacred Stones as my first Fire Emblem game and thus has a big soft spot for it in my heart: 'I bet I'll remember exactly who he's talking about instantly.' *video nominates Natasha* Me: *gears visibly turning in my head, as the memory machine tries to dig up files on Natasha and finally produces them after a solid 10-15 seconds of trying to remember her* 'Uh... see? N-nailed it...' I only managed to remember her after linking her to the more memorable Joshua and I managed to identify her as: 'that goody goody chick the merc for hire has a thing for', which triggered a few more memories. Definitely a solid pick. I remember Moulder because it sounds like Mulder and I'm a big X-files fan. That's specific to me, obviously, but still, I remember him well.
Bout fates: i love Benny. he turned into one of my favorites ...but i don't even remember that he could have a kid... like... i remember some of the child units but i never saw ...uhm... i already forgot his name... i was surprised that the video didn't end after 3H... i already forgot Engage...
Guess it doesn't help that Ignatius' recruitment Paralogue is kind of a pain since he starts guarding a village by himself half-way across the map and you gotta reach him before he gets overwhelmed, which on higher difficulties may happen in a couple of turns. Not helped by the fact he's a Conquest character. Yeah, Revelations exists but still.
Largo with Resolve was a lategame beast in my RD playthrough. Such a fun unit to use! Also Nomah has plot relevance for Celica's route, long-range spells and healing which makes him an ok character imo. Reading a list of the characters, II think I forgot Atlas or Deen the most, but as you said all characters are relevant in Echoes.
While Kjelle isn’t very memorable as a character to many players, no way she is more forgettable than Laurent. For many other players, Kjelle was the daughter of Chrom and sister of Lucina. That easily puts her way above Laurent.
Wow, the most forgotten character was so forgettable even the video forgot to include him. A certain armored unit perhaps? A shame I can’t remember who it was
I can't agree saying Lorenz in Archanea is forgettable. He's the namesake of an entire archetype of unit. Also, Laurent and Kjelle weren't added to Heroes at the same time. Kjelle was added in book 3. Laurent was added in book *8*
Id probably argue one of the part 3 laguz cats are the most forgettable units. They join the retuening greil mercenaries midpart and are absolutly useless. In comparison Naeluchi joins as one of 4 units at the beginning of part 2 and his design is very unique, id argue he is one of the most rememerable radiant dawn exclusive characters. Overall a very well made video and well articulated.
I'd go with Laurent over Kjelle, as she at least has a unique outfit. Plus, Kjelle could be Chrom's daughter, which gives her a slight edge. I would also Pick Cyril over Gilbert. Gilbert is Dimitri's direct councillor as well as a possible replacement for Dedue. Cyril meanwhile is not affiliated with any house, is not a teacher, and looks generic as hell. Ignatius is a fine pick, though I'd say Benny is pretty lovable, meaning he'll probably get an S rank. Hisame however is the unremarkable son of an unremarkable unit.
...I honestly completely forgot that Hisame exists, and now that I remember him I kind of agree he's more forgettable, he's as plain as plain gets and doesn't really bring anything to the table. I guess the only pass I give him is he's a Hoshido/Birthright character so you have a lot more wiggle room there to mess around and try him out while Conquest is more unforgiving so Ignatius gets less of a chance to shine.
Oh, not for me. Kjelle was my favorite child unit purely because I did something funny with her. After using her as the wall to grind my healers, she ended up being one of my strongest units. That's not why I remember her though. When all was said and done, she had over 50 Luck. It just so happens one of the skills she inherited was Armsthrift. Which meant any weapon she used lasted forever. So I forged the hell out of a Glass Axe and sent her to work. She was awesome.
For Engage, I don't know why, but I feel it goes to either Clanne or Franne, outside the first couple of missions, which this happens to all non lord units, and the exception of the green recruitables, Lindon felt somewhat memorable for BEING the only real missable unit, where as Clanne and Franne just get forgotten after chapter 4 I wanna say. If I didn't know better, having tried to get all characters to stat caps and max bond with Rings, they were honestly the easiest to have fall off, even with the unique commands they get in their starting classes (specifically Franne), but that's just me, as for 3 houses Gilbert... Yeah I agree, having done 3 of the 4 routes.
I remembered Nomah but it's really probably mostly because there isnt that many characters in SoV... For Fates and Awakening tho I agree with your picks I usually tends to play the kids more due to the fact that they are either better (Fates, espe in conquest where haviing the royals + their kids is litterally the best team) if the pairing are well chosen than their parents, either bc of the inherited skills you can give them wich make them faster to build.
I feel like Lindon and Saphyr actually stand out more in that game for being slightly diverse in their age/appearance/circumstances. Way more other characters in the “pale teen-aged ambiguous retainer” range just sort of anamorph into each other because of the designs being, ironically, so jarring or irrational without any characterising that they end up kind of blending together, or their lack of screen time or any noteable purpose or characteristics. Other people have brought up Bunet and Ambert (I think Diamant’s retainer?), but I’d also add Louis to the potential list of contenders. Tbh Diamant can fall under the radar kind of often for lords’ standards too
My vote for Sacred Stones would have been Dozla, I had to look up his name. Of all the characters, the only reason I remember he exists at all is that I remember there was A CHARACTER that followed L'Arachel around. I never remembered or cared about him as an individual because he interacts with almost no one but L'Arachel and you get Ross and his dad as ax users WAY earlier in the game.
calling daisy the most forgettable fe4 unit is really strange shes got thief utility which is super useful in fe4. i think that alone makes her more memorable than the rest of the substitute units
I forgot Child characters altogether exist in Fates 💀 And even after you mentioned them, the only ones I could remember was Kana, without looking them up.
I'm a month late, but I had to comment. As someone who's favorite child unit is Laurent, I have to say I think he's underrated. Yes, I can understand some thinking he's bland compared to others like Owain and Norie. Or even some not even recruiting him cause they didn't know you needed Miriel or Chrom to visit the first village. But even with that, I still love him the most. And I'm not saying he suffered the most out of all the child units, but he's had it rough. Spoiler alert for his supports with his father. In his B support with his father, he mentions that due to a mishap with the time travel ritual, he ended up three years too early than the intended time (by that, I mean three years before the war with Plegia. Aka, chapters 1-11). Thus, he's been on his own for FIVE whole years by himself. And while he dismissed it at first, saying he isn't a child and can mange just fine on his own, he eventually confesses in his A support with his father that he was very lonely. Stuck wandering an era where he knew no one for FIVE YEARS. He kept hoping to meet up with the other future children, but knew the chances were miniscule. He had NO ONE to lend an ear or help him through his despair. And he spent many nights thinking he'd die ALONE. From pain or otherwise. He's suffered so much. And even if you don't like him that much, I'm sure some of you can agreed he's suffered a lot. Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine if you were stuck in a time where you knew no one. Had no way to contact your friends/family, and feared every night could be your last as you searched for them. It's horrible and I think Laurent could use a bit more love.
I would argue Bunnett for Engage When I replayed the game a year after release, I definitely remembered about Sophire and Linden, but I'd completely forgotten there was another person that was recruited at the same time as Pandrao You just don't need new characters at that point, and he's lackluster in personality, as well as stats, only anywhere close to memorable as a cooking meme
I don't find Geitz to forgettable, as stated he is actually a really good unit and beyond that a pretty interesting character as the son of a wealthy merchant who left his fathers business after finding out they trafficked slaves and is looking for a purpose in life. His supports with Dart, Dorcas, and Isadora are all rather touching. Guess I am biased as I tend to aim for the Linus map over Lloyd as I can't stand the fog. In terms of actual most forgettable character in fe7 I would say Wil. If he didn't join as your only archer in Lyn's campaign I don't think there would be anything to remember him by, and thats assuming you even play Lyn's campaign which I know most veteran players just skip. He is a subpar archer with a personality like white bread. Only mildly interesting things with him is his connections to Rebecca as childhood friend.
I agree with Lindon in Engage. I didn’t realize he was recruitable and I knocked out his hp, it wasn’t until I watched a video where the UA-camr recruited him that I knew he was he a potential ally.😅
I'd argue the least memorable character in Tellius is the red dragon... Gareth I think? The only lines he ever really gets are going "At once, sir" when he receives an order. At least Nealuchi has dialogue 😂
I would say for Engage that Saphir is much more forgettable than Lindon because Lindon is well known for his high-crit gimmick strategies. I went into my last Engage playthrough planning on recruiting him from the start. I forgot Saphir existed until you mentioned her
when it comes to Kjelle vs. Laurent, I think I'd lean towards Laurent moreso, but that's mostly because Kjelle has something of a ringer in having some supports with Severa and Lucina that kinda drag her along by extension on their huge popularity. Meanwhile...I literally can't remember any of Laurent's supports. He's just his mom gender-swapped for all I can remember of him. lol
Me: *Cries in the fact that many don't like Laurent* Ok, but seriously. I respect people's opinions. I'm just biased cause he's my favorite child unit. I also love his supports with some of the other characters. Plus, I think the sibling conversation between him and Morgan is adorable (even if it's the same for the others) and makes sense in my opinion. Plus, his support conversations with his father pulls at my heartstrings T_T
10:29 in terms of Awakening, I forgot about Donnel and actually Awakening Tiki. It wasn't until Heroes I saw both of them exist and while one of them would end up as my first 5-star +10 unit and would become a favorite of mine where in my recent playthrough, I married Tiki. the other being Donnel. Now most of that was because I ignored the paralogues and didn't realize that they were important at the time when I played. Honestly.... I don't have much memory and fondness for many of awakenings characters, and I never even knew awakening had "child units" until a friend told me a year later, and by then, Fates had released so I was in a better shape in dealing with supports. In fact, I think in my original save (where I stopped at Chapter 20, and I still have a save from the middle of that battle) My highest bond is actually Robin and Lon'qu. and at the time I never understood it. In terms of Fates, I don't think I can say I forget any character from there. 3 Houses I think Cyril is forgettable but also someone I dislike, and the same goes with Jean.
Hard disagree on Three Houses, personally. I remember Gilbert since he's tied so tightly to Annette and her whole storyline, is in her paralogue, and and appears in Tower of Black Winds at least as an NPC. Cyril on the other hand... as a personality he's is absolutely nothing. Of all the runs I've done of 3H, I've never once even considered Cyril as part of the crew.
Going to not name names so as to not spoil the content of the video. I knew about the choices for Echoes, Awakening, Three Houses, and Engage. As those are 4 of the 5 FE games I have completed a playthrough of at least once. The 5th is Fates, but I didn't meet the requirements for the character mentioned in the video.
I remember years ago in Germnan fan circles, there was a littlke fight over who is better: Natasha or L'Arachel. In the end game of Sacreed Stones, undead was one of the most common enemy types and both characters could wield light magic at the end of the game. Key difference, L'Arachel starts on a horse, so she can heal and run and there's only one desert map in the entire game. Also, I really like Benny and married him on my first playthrough. I never did use Ignatius, but I did not forget him. I think I did bother doing some bonds with him. I've never beaten Birthright or the third route, though.
Daisy does gave a secret conversation with Shanan tho and being a horrible unit is honestly pretty memorable to me. tbh its kinda hard ot say whose least memorable bc while i didnt do a full sub run i played the game multiple times and had all but Creidne and Dalvin in my team at some point
i actually did forget about Lindon. i was so upset when i read he could be recruited (simply because i like having a lot of options even if i don't use most of them). my next play through i recruited him as soon as i saw him. i used warp and everything 🤣🤣
I remember Nomah only because he absolutely looks like he'd have some story importance like Gotoh or Athos. Only to turn out no, Dumbledore over here really is just a generic npc with a nicer design they made playable on a whim.
Trude is a kinda shitty unit, but he at least comes with a skill (Nihil) and is associated with the (generally very cool and liked) dandelion gang. Cain and Alba are both further down the list IMO, but the sort of direct homage to the original Cain and Abel is a little notable. Hicks (who is actually my favorite character in the series) is pretty forgettable but his recruitment is interesting and he shows up during an exciting escape map. Robert would be my pick for overall most forgettable, he joins about 8-10 levels behind at the exact same time as a waaaaaay better bow knight. He even starts with only an E rank in bows, *E.* The other level one archers that you could get start with E+10 and E+30 8-10 chapters earlier
Actually, Trude comes with Nihil. which can help against bosses but not all bosses have skills and normal enemies barely have any, if not, don't have any skills
@@bluewilliam7203 oops why'd I write vantage? Yeah he does come with Nihil, It's mostly useful for getting past greatshield on general bosses. Mareeta also comes with Nihil, and is a better boss killer in general, but being overshadowed by Mareeta is way better than being overshadowed by Tanya IMO
8:40 Picking Natasha for fe8 seems insane to me. Sure, you get Moulder earlier, but her being a requirement to recruit Joshua, a very popular character, AND how popular of a ship Joshua x Natasha is stops her from being forgettable. Imo, I'd say the most forgettable from fe8 is either Garcia or Syrene
As a newer player(started from Awakening), you know... I'm agree, i'm really strugling to remember Laurent(but i actually really like Miriam) . In Fates, most forgeatable for me was in fact Azura's son. Shigure i think? I'm like... Not really a fan of pegasus riders, so i barely ever used him.
I feel like Bunet is also pretty forgettable. Yes, you can't miss him like Lindon, but aside from Bunet having the same va as Berkut, he never made a big impact either unit wise or character wise, from what I've seen
Kjelle is at least notable because she is the earliest armor unit you can recruit in the game. It’s still weird that Gen 1 didn’t have any armors in awakening.
Hahahahahhahahahha
How did these cups of tea end up on the table?
Over a decade later, that joke is still fresh.
I could have sworn Chrom had an armoured unit in his shepherd army.
Kellam: Don't you see me...?
Sothe would be the most forgettable unit of path of radiance, but nintendo and intellengt systems decided making him the literal co-protagonist of the sequel
He is your only thief unit if you decide to not trust volke or he die. This make him a lot less forgettable than a bunch of fillers.
@noukan42 if there wasn't radiant dawn though you would have never remembered him. Maybe the random berserk dude at the very end
Dunno. I liked him for his rapid growth. Though por was my first fire emblem game and launched me into a series I love and I remember most of the cast still, so..
@@noukan42 heather
@@glue5334 heather is in radiant dawn, not path of radiance
I feel like Natasha should get a bump over Moulder because she's the one to recruit Joshua, one of the game's royals and most popular characters.
Fair point actually, I didn't consider that
FE8's place its for Syrene. Late game unit, bad stats, game so easy (no need to triangle attack abuse)
But that's all she does. She recruits one guy on the only map she's force deployed for and is otherwise inferior to Moulder in every way other than the fact she comes with a Mend staff.
Id say the fact that she can become a bishop and by proxy get the slayer skill which id say surface wise makes any light mage the most important endgame mage from a general standpoint.
Syrene is the last part of the triangle attack at the very least in terms of being memorable.
Now what I wanna know is what's so memorable about Kyle personally?
@@Zerobasssoul kyle is arguably the best paladin behind seth. while franz joins earlier, kyle gets access to chapter 5x which gives him boatloads of experience. he's likely to reach level 9-10 in chapter 5x alone.
basically the way I see it is that if franz isnt leveling well or you just would rather pour exp into other units, kyle's an amazing pick to use.
For Fates I'd argue it's Yukimura, not just because he's a forgettable character, but because it's easy to forget he's playable. It's bad enough being locked behind specific castle upgrades, but he gets the worst of it. Flora and Izana are available in two routes each, meanwhile Fuga is a strong unit in a route full of units with horrible bases. Yukimura, meanwhile, is only available in Birthright and is really unremarkable in combat. Even child units like Hisame and Ignatius are at least directly tied to someone already in your army. All the men in Fates have a child, and if you go through each one, you'll find their child. Yukimura has an obscure recruitment method, is weak in combat, can ONLY support with Corrin, and is only available in one route, which isn't even the golden route.
As for Awakening, I was gonna suggest an armor knight, but aside from Kjelle no one comes to mind...
What's amazing is, I was thinking to myself the other day "Man, why are the glasses-wearing characters in FE so unpopular? Laurent, Miriel, Ignatz, Sugimura..."
Then it hit me--In that moment, I forgot Yukumura's name.
Nah, you at least fight yukimura in the last couple chapters of conquest, and have to plan around his passive skills on higher difficulties, you remember him as an enemy if nothing else. Its azama's kid mitama who's the most forgettable. Azama himself has a lot of competition between sakura and jakob/felicia as a staff unit, and making him work as a combat unit requires a bit of investment, investment you probably won't even bother with in rev in particular because you get him right before valla. And going through the work of getting him hitched only rewards you with ANOTHER staffbot when you already have plenty.
@@scrapyarddragonAt least Mitama is somewhat memorable because of her haiku gimmick sticking out and being somewhat funny. Personally I actually did guess Ignatius before he said it, so I was right.
@@3To3dSl0thbecause they are all boring nerd stereotypes
@@zxylo786based Travant pfo
Damn I actually DID forget Ignatius. Crazy because I actually really like Benny.
Its even funny when you consider Ignatius is also the name of a generic boss in Awakening
I forgot Ignatius as well, I am a massive fates apologist and I vouche in favor of all 3 pathways, plus many of more polarized characters like Corrin, Camilla, Takumi, and hell, the child units as well. Hell some of my favorite characters in fates are the 2nd generation characters like Kana, Shigure, Selkie, Velouria, Soleil, Ophelia, Nina, Caladori, Midori, Sophie, ect. So the fact that I forget about Ignatius says a lot.
Pretty good video BTW. There's some units I disagree being on here but for the most part it's pretty good. Hope this channel grows.
Ignatius just has an unpleasant design. He looks like he washes his hair once a month
Idk I do like Ignatius, however I always forget that Rhajat exist because she's just watered down lesbian Tharja and also I hate Hayato
Literally the first time I've even seen him.
You dare forget Moulder the Boulder? He who sets loins to smolder.
I'd argue for syrene in sacred stones. Joins late, not a super interesting character, missable recruit, and a mid unit
Doesn’t even get a wyvern. Tragic.
Yeah, she manages to be a flier with almost no utility
I personally love Syrene, but I'm gonna have to second this. She's the best candidate for most forgettable character in FE8... sadly.
I was going to say, pretty sure it's not Natasha, I distinctly remembered her being notable for a while chapter and a half. But I couldn't remember anyone more forgettable. Your candidate, by virtue of getting me to respond with "Who?" gets my vote.
I definitely agree Syrene should have been on here. She's the only character in Sacred stones I forget about.
Gilbert is very forgettable if you're Golden Deer or Black Eagles due to being unplayable. This is true. But he's actually unforgettable in Blue Lions for one reason: the game makes you think Dedue is gone for good (which he can be if you either didn't do his paralogue, or failed to save enough Duscur troops during it) so they give you Gilbert to replace him. A lot of people (at least at launch), really liked, even loved, Dedue. So to seemingly kill him off screen, only to replace him with Deadbeat Dad of the Millenium is a pretty big deal a lot of players will never forget, meaning Gilbert as well will never be forgotten.
Out of curiosity, any idea how many Duscur troops in total you need to save to ensure that Dedue returns after the time-skip?
@@gamester512 I think you can lose 2 or 3 of them and still be fine. If you're fast enough you shouldn't lose anymore than that.
@@smward87 Does the cutscene after the Paralogue change if you don't save enough? When I did it, the cutscene had the General remark that Duscur don't forget their grudges or favors.
He's also pretty involved in Blue Lions' story iirc. But I guess there weren't too many other good candidates in the game.
And even if Dedue comes back, Gilbert still takes his place in the story as Dimitri's advisor -_-
Also, Gilbert is, for some reason, one of three launch characters male Byleth can S-support
just a small nitpick, kjelle was added to heroes far before laurent was, kjelle being added in june of 2019 and laurent being added december of 2023. but absolutely great video as a whole, very entertaining (and i did not remember 90% of these characters existed)
Jeez. 2019. Thats a very long time. Literally was 18 at the time.
Alright so I am gonna be honest. I forgot there was any armored units playable in Awakening, and thought that it was odd. Then I remembered Kjelle, and said but thats a child unit, was there really no armored units in the Shepherds?
And you know what…
I don’t think there was. Can’t remember them.
The invisible one, right? The one who's forgettable by definition? Yep, I feel you.
it makes me happy to see people allude to Kellam. Love that guy
@@theflyinghandofloob2062 oh, i was wondering who that spare seat, plate and cup were for!
The thing I find really funny about Laurent and Kjelle is they're actually some of the child units that are actually feasible to use on no grinding runs cause their paralouges are relatively easy compared to the other ones.
That's because the difficulty of the child paralogues are scaled based on the order of which you recruit their parents. Sully and Miriel are early game units, so their kids' paralogues are among the easiest, while Inigo and Gerome have the hardest paralogues because their mothers are recruited last.
@@Gracereza Yeah Kjelle is lowkey the only child unit I've used on my lunatic runs. I love Severa but I swear to god her paralogue is actual torture if you try to do it as soon as you unlock it
@@jimjimson6208the thing is you can easily cheese her paralouge with a warp staff since they also work on ally units in awakening so you can clean up the enemy units before she goes in
@@jimjimson6208Nothing in that game compares to the stress i felt while spamming rescue every round and watching it slowly run out of uses as a third assassin closes in
I remember Saphir mainly because she is one of the few old woman units in the series. Another reason I remember her is because of her ridiculous age that was apparently datamined. She can't be 35, she looks possibly older than Lindon to me.
I actually really like Saphir. Her supports with Alcryst and Lindon were among the most memorable to me.
she‘s great IMO, I wouldn‘t forget her
most forgettable unit in this game is Amber to me somehow
I suggest disregarding the Engage characters ages, they make absolutely no sense and were probably added by people who didn't make the characters
@@lambtoken2708 Afaik the designs were ALSO made independently of the character‘s personalities and backstories, furthering the „huh“ effect of Engage
@@boshman11 How can you forget the alpaca knight? When he shows up in heroes he better be riding one or I will be disappointed.
The real reason why he said Nealuchi for RD was because Vika was so forgettable that he didnt even think about her
I agree with that. I would actually pick her mate Muarim more usually because in PoR, I'm already using either Lethe or Mordecai and am not swapping for him. Vika is at least in the smaller bird pool
Looks like Danved and Devdan were forgotten in both.
But she also has a fantastic design which helps her memorability
I never remember her name, I completely forgot her and I just played radiant dawn
Honestly i was trying to write the same comment but couldn't remember her name
You: and now for the most forgettable unit from Gaiden/SoV -- nomah
Me: WHO?????
Next you'll tell me you forgot Mycen. I guess he just was more memorable
@@eemelikorteniemi3966Mycen, at least in SoV, was definitely more prominent. He's your main unit in the prologue, he's featured in chapter 1, consistently mentioned by Alm, the villagers, and Clive and has an overall plot important, even being deeply tied to the villain.
@@NPP_1 yeah. Nomah is just much less relevant. You see him at the start of Celica's story, but after I am unsure if he is mentioned much until he is recruited
Despite having recruited him, he was my first pick to most forgettable unit in SoV. 😂
Plus his support with Celica is just him being a creep towards her.
Laurent came to Heroes last. Much much later but its fitting as he was first to arrive in the future and wandered alone for some time. In heroes its reversed he arrived as the final child unit to get into FEH(as Severa had a alt and Selena too). Also he is remembered by bein bullied cuz hes the only child unit who cannot learn Galefore 😢😂.
Actually he's not the only one, Gerome and Yarne can't get their hands on Galeforce either, although yeah makes sense why he was a bit more bullied, cause at least the other two have something to them
Isn’t there quite a few that can’t get Galeforce? I don’t think Tharja has access to that for her kids either
@@qtpie1144 Any female unit who gives birth to a daughter can have her pick up galeforce if the father has access to the pegasus classline (Donnel & Gaius). Miriel, Panne and Cherche all don’t have pegasus in their base class list and give birth to sons so they all are incapable of learning galeforce while 2 of the other non-pegasus mothers can at least marry one of the guys that allow access to it.
@@yassin9782 riiight forgot about that thanks
The most forgettable unit in awakening isn't Kjelle. It's not even one of the child units. The fact that he wasn't even mentioned in the discussion goes to show how forgotten this unit is. NOBODY remembers Kellam.
I agree about kellam if you noticed an awakenings box cover art you can see he's there but his face is blurred out
He's iconic
But Kellam's whole character is that he's forgettable, so that feels like a cop out
@@sonic26000 I actually thought Stahl would be the choice for Awakening. I suspect both of these characters were too forgettable even to come to mind for consideration.
@@PublicNMEno1 you know I honestly forgot about that one too I honestly preferred Sully over him I feel like with cavalier units however there's always going to be one you're going to use from start to finish and the other is guaranteed bench at least with the other one that I benched they could at least be memorable but Stahl not very memorable for me
With the whole Lindon vs Saphir arguement.
I would like to bring up, Saphir atleast makes a brief appearance in a cutscene very early into the game. Lindon has nothing until he shows up
Lindon could have benefited from the same. Showing up in a chapter 10 cutscene to briefly comfort hortensia over ivy going missing.
Counter point I genuinely forgot who saphir was until I saw her.
Plus saphir is an auto recruit while I have genuinely seen people not recruit Lindon since he's the only talk with enemy recruit in the game.
I'd argue that Lindon is more popular because he has a fun personal skill to play with if you want to use him like a magic Panette, whereas Saphir is just another Warrior unit (which you probably already have enough of if you've been using units like Boucheron, reclassed Etie and Panette). Lindon is recruited at the relative end of his chapter and carries a Thoron tome, so he can 3 range poke any leftover units whereas Saphir is recruited at the start of the level with heavy weapons that slow her down, so unless you have some loose Axes and Bows in your inventory, she likely won't even contribute in the chapter you recruit her in.
If you have the Olwain ring (Brave Thunder) and a forged Thunder Tome with a crit engraving, Lindon can nuke things from 3 range because his personal skill boosts his crit rate if the weapon he's using is a lower tier than the enemy's.
Since every enemy is likely carrying Silver grade weapons at this point, it makes it super easy to trigger. The biggest hurdle, of course, is getting the ring in the first place.
Just wanted to mention that Lindon's supports are hilarious (Making popcorn with Thunder). Too bad most people don't bother to use him in the first place which makes him forgettable.
@appelofdoom8211 O k but his abilities one of the best and the game and makes him really fun to play
I can't possibly imagine how you would think Nealuchi is more forgettable than Gareth.
The fact that I can see a picture of Nealuchi and remember his name after all this time is a testament to his memorability in the story. Meanwhile, I know that she's memorable for being the only female crow that we ever see, but I just cannot remember her name.
@@cupie2255I thought I rembered her name after you said female crow but then I realized I wasn't sure if it was Vika or Vilka which I guess shows she is pretty unmemorable.
Beyond that i'd also make an argument for Kyza/Kysha being unmemorable since they don't even have Lyre's infamously bad reputation
That was insane. I just couldn't believe Nealuchi was a pick.
Gareth is only playable 2 maps left he gets a passed but Nealuchi, sure I remember him during Part 2 but after that so forgettable
@@AndzyGM Gareth has blood tide, so he gets a pass, Nealuchi is actually an okay unit for part 2, Vika is just barely usable for the maps you have her in part 1 and then disappears and is useless when she comes back. At least Meg and especially Fiona are so trash out the gate they're memorable.
The thing about Gilbert, he appears very often in the monastary and is a very notable green unit in the lance of ruin chapter, and i think those things would push him as more memorable than someone like jeritza, who is kinda just hiding in the monastery until he disappears to do death knight shenanigans
Gilbert is also very prominent in the story of Azure Moon, espesially in the chapters where Dimitri is too angry to do anything.
I think if you don’t recuit him and don’t do paralogues Cyril might have a shot at the most forgettable. He appears only once or twice in the story if you don’t seek him out exploring.
@@wouterW24 lmao I forgot about Cyril
Emile von Bartels, alias „Jeritza von Hrym“, alias „the Death Knight“ is literally tied with Hubert as the most recurring enemy Boss.
@@tirex3673 This is true, but outside of the mask he barely is around, even in crimson flower
Who played Thraccia will probably never forget Xavier. Not for good reasons though.
He's not bad in combat but is it worth getting him only for novelty of saying you actually got this dude.
You cant possibly forget xavier, because of his recruitment
They'll never _forgive_ Xavier.
Small correction, but Path of Radiance had 2 characters who weren't playable in Radiant Dawn. Largo, who you mentioned, and the lovable Devdan, who completely dropped off the face of Tellius in-between games, only mentioned once in Radiant Dawn when recruiting the lovable Danved.
I'd argue that Kyza from Radiant Dawn is loads more forgettable than Nealuchi. Kyza is ass all the way through, is a completely new character with no supports, and at least Nealuchi was in the previous game (as a NPC) with a small part in the story. Nealuchi also appears throughout Radiant Dawn's story more than Kyza who fades away after their intro chapter IIRC.
Personally, I remember Kyza because my queer ass flipped when we got an official non binary character. Although in fairness, they are more forgettable than units like Lyre and Fiona who are memorable because they're such trash.
100% agreed, Kyza is the exact character that came to mind as soon as I saw the title of the video, ignoring the generic Radiant Dawn support 1 liners the guy has like a single set of lines in the entire game as an optional base convo (which doesn't even give an item I don't think) and then that's it. Not even a story line telling you he's joined or who he is like the just turns up silently in the bottom of your unit selection screen on that one map with the double Ike and Ranulf seize, and he sucks ass too so he's not even worth selecting on the map itself or ever again
I feel like Kyza is actually prettymemorable for being the only non-binary unit
@@I_Am54738 Hes not actually memorable at all and this isn't even in the original game its solely a translation thing. Nealuchi is an actual character that appears in both tellius games
@@fluffystagbeetle4526 well im Bias cause i love Kyza then
Lorenz is one of the most memorable characters in Shadow Dragon imo. The eyepatch, only playable general in FE1, I feel like he's a pretty memorable character, and he has a pretty important role in the story of FE3. Just my opinion tho.
Lindon is a real one, his supports revolve around wanting to cast thunder on people. Being a misable red unit recruit is actually notable in a game, and an era, that so heavily lacks them.
I disagree with sacred stones and radiant dawn. Natasha brings some new information to the player party in her introduction chapter and recruits joshua, a quite memorable character and it is probably one of the most iconic enemy recruitments in the series. I'd probably pick syrene. She plays a decent enough role in her join chapter, but i just find myself forgetting her often and the competition in sacred stones is fierce. I don't find moulder forgettable as he's the best staff user and is almost always worth a spot in your team for a significant portion of the game.
Nealuchi has a pretty big role in his join chapter. I'd pick kyza because honestly who is this guy
I’m surprised it wasn’t one of the secret post game characters for sacred stones. Most players probably never used any of them.
Ky...who? I love Radiant Dawn to bits and I'll even go so far as to say i actually like most of the new characters but I legitimately have no idea who that is.
I think Garcia should be considered as forgotten. His son is memorable as insanely powerful, but Garcia... I don't know anyone who would really consider him.
@@Keiji555 anyone who is playing the game in a speedy fashion (speed run, draft race) all prefer garcia since he has some immediate use over ross. Feel this is enough of a niche to make him not fully forgettable
@@ardenbob That's fair. I've never really done speed runs.
I think I disagree with you on 4. While Daisy is completely forgettable, I think there's a fair number of people who may mess up rescuing Brigid in chapter 3 and be forced to use Daisy in a memorable sequence escaping with Shannan.
I think far fewer people would mess up getting Ced and Fee, as Erinys gets automatically paired.
While Hawk has the dubious distinction of being probably the best substitute - Hermina has absolutely nothing. She looks exactly like Fee, and has the exact same motivation, with none of the emotional core. Her first scene is unmemorable and then she may as well be another terrible flying unit
Funnily, as a meme for my first playthrough of SoV I gave Nomah the villager fork and grinded him to a ridiculous degree so he was actually my strongest and most memorable unit as a Dread Fighter by a pretty wide margin.
Just goes to show that FE8 has like the most memorable cast, even someone like Natasha you can't really forget about
becuz the cast is small
Like not really, I would say Gilbert is way more memorable than Natasha.
@@RuneTacticss size of the cast helps with that kind of stuff. Gaiden haven't the greatest charachters and all of them are relatively memorable because they're 32 splited in two groups and youre using them continously, and then there is radiant dawn with the +70 cast and availability issues
@@projectmessiah Nah Natasha being tied to Joshua's recruitment clenches that. Meanwhile Gilbert only is relevant in Blue Lions so he does not matter in 3 out of four routes
@@boredomkiller99 Yes but he's forced on you as an ally unit in part 1 and is emphasized and brought up by multiple characters when entering the monastery
I'd say Warren does have some value in other ways (like his presence handwaving the need to explain how the army got food in some of the more inhospitable areas) but even discounting that he still gets one or two banger lines at the very least. "Even if everyone else disappeared from this world... It wouldn't change a thing for me. And on the other hand, if I were to disappear from this world... It wouldn't change a thing for the world, either" is still a line I really like for some reason.
Daisy actually does have a unique conversation with Deimne in the final chapter if they're married that's pretty important to the overall substitute narrative. They talk about how she feels that commoners like them aren't actually needed in the war when they can barely contribute anything compared to the Holy Bloods (ironic given the context of this video). It's a very depressing and grounded dialogue and kind of captures the essence of the substitute experience. If I had to pick a least memorable substitute it would easily be Femina, both her and Hawk add little to nothing to the substitute narrative but at least Hawk is good in gameplay I guess.
Garret is the rare instance of FE actually showing what happens after a revenge story, and a lot of his story beats are about how he threw everything away for his revenge and didn't really have anywhere else to go in life after seizing it. Like many others in FE6's cast he has good bits of writing that aren't hinted at very well in his introduction in the main plot's script.
But I think Garret is more memorable for having that bonus THIRTY percent crit that comes from being a berserker if you ask me
I love Natasha! My very first play through I got max support between her and Joshua and it changed my life.
Same brother, best ship of the GBA era
Nice video dude! However, i disagree on Daisy being the most forgettable character on FE4 because ironically, its pretty easy to have her as your substitute because her mom, brigid, has a big habit of dying to the pirate onslaught on the her joining chapter, or just not build enough love points to get married by the end of gen 1 (thats what happened with me even, and i was trying to pair her)
So you'll see daisy more than one time if you play FE4 in a more lax way, my personal choice for FE4's most forgettable substituite is Jeanne, because not only its hard to have raquesis die, but also she doesn't have anything going on for her besides her class of a mobile healer.
Jeanne isn't forgettable purely because she's Nanna's replacement, and hence does end up getting a bit of screentime whenever Leif is undergoing a misadventure.
the most forgettable is by far the squinty eyed kid thats febails replacement
@@rockroy259 Asaello, yeah can agree
I will not take this Lindon slander. He is such a funny unit and has one of the best personal skills in the game. I love him. Saphir on the other hand.
Giving my personal takes (using the remakes when applicable), I remembered all of these characters.
Shadow Dragon: Horace, maybe. Honestly you could say just about any of the gaiden chapter characters. Most people don't see them.
Echoes: Jesse? By the time you get him you have two myrms and Deen is also very viable (good unit and cool design).
Mystery of the Emblem: Frost, easily. He just joins you in preps, there isn't even an active effort to get him. He's also from BSFE originally, which makes him even less memorable and obscure.
Genealogy: I'd give it to Dalvin. He's just kinda sad and he's never did good on CYL either. His sister eclipses him.
Thracia: I agree with you for Troude.
Binding Blade: I unfortunately agree with Garret. I love Garret but nobody really cares about him. It's sad.
Blazing Blade: I can also unfortunately agree with Geitz. He's one of my favorites but his recruitment condition sucks lol.
Sacred Stones: I'd actually go with Syrene. Joins late in a spot where your core team should have already been decided. She just exists.
Path of Radiance: I actually think Largo has some notability solely due to the fact he ISN'T playable in Radiant Dawn. I'd go with like... maybe Tauroneo...? He's notable in RD but in POR he's a generally forgettable midgame General that isn't great.
Radiant Dawn: I feel like Nealuchi is actually one of the more memorable RD additions. He's existent in both games and in crowds that don't have as many notable characters and is a funnier character. I'd go with like, Renning. I've literally never seen anyone talk about him despite him being a character who should have an impact.
Awakening: Agreed with Kjelle. Nobody else really fits imo.
Fates: I'd go with Yukimura. Weird recruit, only on one route, not a memorable character, just kinda.. yeah. Never seen any fans. Ignatius isn't a bad choice though.
Three Houses: For non Blue Lions routes, it's definitely Gilbert, but if you've played Blue Lions, I feel like it sortof goes into... Hanneman..? I dunno. It's hard. This cast is generally very well remembered, even the more minor characters. If I could answer Anna I would.
Engage: Definitely Lindon, another unfortunate case imo.
If not Renning for RD, I'd go with probably Gareth.
For 3H it's pretty simple I'd say. Nobody gives a damn about Anna because she doesn't have any supports and also joins with mediocre base stats. At least Hanneman gets some early story cutscenes and has a lot of really interesting support conversations.
In Engage I honestly would pick Saphir over Lindon. Sure, Saphir is present in one cutscene but doesn't stand out as a unit. Her bases are just okay and her growths are some of the worst in the game. Meanwhile, Lindon has the privilege of being the only recruitable unit that initially is an enemy on his join map and has a well-earned reputation for his personal skill enabling some funny crit shenanigans.
@@_abaddon_2681 Gareth is definitely up there for sure. I was just thinking of the Mekkah video on him so I didn't count him on that merit, though the video has less views than I remember.
I'd agree that Anna is easily the most forgettable, but she isn't a basegame unit so she didn't qualify for the original criteria of "No DLC units". That's why I wrote Hanneman. He has relevance for sure, and I really like what he has... bar his, weird endings.
Yeah fair. Lindon does have some unique weirdness that I love about him. At the very least it is between him and Saphir, who were the ONLY two playable characters who weren't marketed
While Syrene is more forgettable than Natasha i'd personally nominate Fado since not a lot of people do the creature campaign and unlike the rest of the CC exclusives he has no plot relevance beyond being dead fire emblem dad #6
@@appelofdoom8211 If we include the CC cast (I didn’t count those) my vote would actually go to Hayden. At least Fado is the PROTAG’s dad, while Hayden doesn’t even get that honor.
As someone who loves Yukimura, I can say I did not forget him :)
Nealuchi has his scenes with Naesala, which makes him far more memorable than Vika, who turns up for the Dawn Brigade and is forgotten quickl afterwards
I could never forget Laurent... not after his S support with Noire... if you know, you know
Hold on there buddy, Lorenz is one of the least forgettable characters in the Marth games. Firstly, he is a large part of the "Camus the Sable" bit, which is one of the coolest parts of fe1/Shadow dragon. If you play that chapter blind, the player expects Camus to be recruitable, but no matter what you try he will not sway. Lorenz being recruitable is the icing on the cake, and it's cool that this old dude over here is the guy you get instead of sympathetic Camus.
Furthermore, he plays a big role in fe3 chapter 1 as he is the first boss. He has interesting political motivation and having the boss be one of the playable characters of the previous game is cool. Not to mention, he blows himself up with a bomb in a pretty shocking and meaningful way. It was one of the coolest character moments I've seen in a fe game. I don't know what he does in fe12 but I assume he still commits suicide.
Everyone else you mentioned in 1/3/11/12 yeah idk who they are lol
He also shows up in Tokyo Mirage Sessions as the boss of the side quest 'Steel Heart'. Mamori wants to boost her confidence, so Draug suggests getting advice from Lorenz, who he greatly admires. However, Lorenz has been cursed, so you have to fight him first.
And yes, he does still commit suicide in the remake, but the method differs. The sound effects imply that he just stabbed himself in the remake.
Didn't he impaled himself with a lance?
@@AzumarillConGafasBv Some sort of sharp weapon, at least. We hear the sound of stabbing, then his body fades like any other dead unit.
Lindon is FAR from the most forgettable unit in FE17. Many people love using him for his high crit rate. No, the most forgettable unit has to be Bunet. He’s just a walking meme.
No that makes him memorable
Gotta be saphir
Lindon's supports are also absolutely crazy
Benny is one of my favorite units in fates and his support with Camilla is adorable
Also Ignatius is a character i once roll played as back in the day lol
I fully expected for syrene to be the pick for sacred stones, or the creature campaign units but i didnt really think you would count those
I feel like the CC units should've gotten a honorable mention though.
A couple things on the Kjelle vs Laurent:
Kjelle is a possible daughter for Chrom, and while Sully is definitely a less popular choice, I feel like it still bumps up her memorability.
Meanwhile, Laurent isn't even visible on his recruitment map, but rather you have to visit a temple with Miriel (and maybe Chrom?). I even completely missed him and had to look up what I was doing wrong on my first playthrough.
I have never heard of even a trace of any of these characters, so I completely agree
Isn't Daisy the most popular substitute unit from fe4 by a large margin? I feel like if someone knows any substitutes it's either her or Charlot
I mean, she's the only thief in gen 2 so idk what or why he said she's unpopular since she's almost always helpful
@@Pogma776 the thing that was most odd is when he called her a bad unit. She's a thief in fe4 her whole existence is to be useful
Agreed. You would think it would be the Lana replacement.
@@lspuria8440 or the fee one, Daisy was a weird pick hahaha
@@lspuria8440I think Lana's replacement is more memorable than other substitutes thanks to her convo with Seliph, I'd say that the replacement of Larcei's brother is more forgettable
Elen was a staple unit on my binding blade playthrough. She's the first unit I upgraded and probably the only unit other than Lillina that I brought with me for every single mission
Gonna have to disagree on some here
Genealogy: Daisy is definitely not forgettable. Not only is she the most voted substitute in CYL, she still has utility as a thief and comes with the Sleep Sword, which is pretty good. Definitely not forgettable as a unit, even if she doesnt have good combat. I'd have picked Dalvin. He is Scathach's replacement and doesnt really do much. He has one unique convo and not much going for him as a unit (being a sword fighter in FE4 hurts). The guy he replaces isnt even particularly memorable either, which helps make him more forgotten. Runner-up would be Tristan, but he has more combat relevance than Dalvin.
Thracia: Many units can go here and I dont think Troude is one of them. Aside from being a bit of a meme in FE5 circles, he's actually a solid unit. Yeah he can be tough to recruit, but he is notable in that chapter and as a unit. Someone more forgettable would probably be Conomor. He's not exactly a noteworthy unit and he can only be recruited by Miranda, who is only recruitable if you chose the B route, which is generally considered an inferior route and Miranda herself isnt a great unit either. Whats funny is that Conomor's earliest appearance is on the A route, where he cant be recruited.
Sacred Stones: Many have said this but this should go to Syrene. Late join, mediocre unit, unlikely to see much use. Natasha has the perk of recruiting Joshua (your best myrmidon) and being a healer.
Three Houses: Gilbert is far too infamous to be forgotten, especially when he plays a large role in Azure Moon. My pick here is probably Raphael. He doesnt have much going for him as a unit and is a pretty flat character in a more complex cast. I cant think of any noteworthy discussions about him besides people who like himbos (me, I'm people). Balthus can also take this place but has more going for him than Raphael.
Three Houses is hard because most of the support convos are actually really good and it's so easy to get pairings going. In that respect I'd have to go with Ignatz for the most forgettable, though I may have a slight bias there as I just don't really understand art and talking about it does nothing for me.
It hurts me to hear Engage's picks. I used Saphir for both my first and Maddening run of the game and she was amazing. A very funny character too with a great voice actress behind her!
Have been loving these vids! Production value is great and much needed in the FE space
Thanks so much!
Thank you for the subtitles; they help a lot! And great work on the video too!
Always! And thanks so much!
I've played both Gaiden (when I was like 15) and Valentia (when I was like 25) and both times, I never got Nomah, despite knowing he's there. It's just so inconvenient to go back for him. |'D
I would not put Roger in the list for Archanea though, his recruitment was so HILARIOUS, I could never forget it.
I was trying to think of somebody more forgettable than Natasha because SURELY there must be somebody, but I genuinely couldn't come up with anyone. Just comes to show how good the cast of SS is.
Fado.
Yes he is recruitable in the creature campaign.
If you forgot who he was he's dead fe dad #6. I think that about sums it up
You literally forgot about Syrene. She has nothing on Natasha.
thanks for using Conquest as the bgm
Going to be completely honest, I keep forgetting about Alfred's retainers in Engage.
Saphir at least makes an appearance early on in the game, and Lindon had some nice supports, so they stuck out to me more than the retainers... :/
Alfred's retainers do have that early game utility where you will still be using them no matter what in the first few chapters even if you plan on benching them. Boucheron is your only source of chain attacks and Etie is pretty much your only hard counter to fliers until Lapis and Alcryst show up to allow you to replace them.
It's me, Boucheron
I would give the edge to Laurent mostly because Kjelle is technically able to be Chrom's daughter, there's a larger amount of people who had that happen by accident than ever intentionally used Merial enough.
Yes I am commenting multiple times for your algorithm
I actually really like how Chrom and Sully act when you pair them together, so Kjelle was a welcomed part of my team
No way in hell a thief or an healer is ever the most forgettable unit. You may want to field 2 or 3 staff user or 2 thieves in some cases, so you do keep them in your pocket. And you do keep in mind that they exist in ironman or other runs where you may not always reset. Every game has filler combat units that are way harder to justify.
Case in point, i actually remember Daisy despite having used her once in my very first genealogy run almost 20 years ago(wich was a disaster because i did not know about gen 2) and even with garbage stats, pecunia non olet.
Me, who played Sacred Stones as my first Fire Emblem game and thus has a big soft spot for it in my heart: 'I bet I'll remember exactly who he's talking about instantly.'
*video nominates Natasha*
Me: *gears visibly turning in my head, as the memory machine tries to dig up files on Natasha and finally produces them after a solid 10-15 seconds of trying to remember her* 'Uh... see? N-nailed it...'
I only managed to remember her after linking her to the more memorable Joshua and I managed to identify her as: 'that goody goody chick the merc for hire has a thing for', which triggered a few more memories. Definitely a solid pick.
I remember Moulder because it sounds like Mulder and I'm a big X-files fan. That's specific to me, obviously, but still, I remember him well.
Bout fates: i love Benny. he turned into one of my favorites ...but i don't even remember that he could have a kid... like... i remember some of the child units but i never saw ...uhm... i already forgot his name...
i was surprised that the video didn't end after 3H... i already forgot Engage...
Guess it doesn't help that Ignatius' recruitment Paralogue is kind of a pain since he starts guarding a village by himself half-way across the map and you gotta reach him before he gets overwhelmed, which on higher difficulties may happen in a couple of turns. Not helped by the fact he's a Conquest character. Yeah, Revelations exists but still.
Largo with Resolve was a lategame beast in my RD playthrough. Such a fun unit to use!
Also Nomah has plot relevance for Celica's route, long-range spells and healing which makes him an ok character imo. Reading a list of the characters, II think I forgot Atlas or Deen the most, but as you said all characters are relevant in Echoes.
Nooooo, not my husband Largo! I know he just kinda gets axed from Radiant Dawn but how can you forget THOSE ABS?
While Kjelle isn’t very memorable as a character to many players, no way she is more forgettable than Laurent. For many other players, Kjelle was the daughter of Chrom and sister of Lucina. That easily puts her way above Laurent.
Wow, the most forgotten character was so forgettable even the video forgot to include him. A certain armored unit perhaps? A shame I can’t remember who it was
Awakening is a great game, the biggest issue it has was not having a good armor knight early game
I can't agree saying Lorenz in Archanea is forgettable. He's the namesake of an entire archetype of unit.
Also, Laurent and Kjelle weren't added to Heroes at the same time. Kjelle was added in book 3. Laurent was added in book *8*
Id probably argue one of the part 3 laguz cats are the most forgettable units. They join the retuening greil mercenaries midpart and are absolutly useless. In comparison Naeluchi joins as one of 4 units at the beginning of part 2 and his design is very unique, id argue he is one of the most rememerable radiant dawn exclusive characters. Overall a very well made video and well articulated.
I'd go with Laurent over Kjelle, as she at least has a unique outfit. Plus, Kjelle could be Chrom's daughter, which gives her a slight edge.
I would also Pick Cyril over Gilbert. Gilbert is Dimitri's direct councillor as well as a possible replacement for Dedue. Cyril meanwhile is not affiliated with any house, is not a teacher, and looks generic as hell.
Ignatius is a fine pick, though I'd say Benny is pretty lovable, meaning he'll probably get an S rank. Hisame however is the unremarkable son of an unremarkable unit.
...I honestly completely forgot that Hisame exists, and now that I remember him I kind of agree he's more forgettable, he's as plain as plain gets and doesn't really bring anything to the table. I guess the only pass I give him is he's a Hoshido/Birthright character so you have a lot more wiggle room there to mess around and try him out while Conquest is more unforgiving so Ignatius gets less of a chance to shine.
Oh, not for me. Kjelle was my favorite child unit purely because I did something funny with her. After using her as the wall to grind my healers, she ended up being one of my strongest units. That's not why I remember her though. When all was said and done, she had over 50 Luck. It just so happens one of the skills she inherited was Armsthrift. Which meant any weapon she used lasted forever. So I forged the hell out of a Glass Axe and sent her to work. She was awesome.
As someone who just recruited Kjelle on a recent file, can say she's great. Love the A support with her father XD
For Engage, I don't know why, but I feel it goes to either Clanne or Franne, outside the first couple of missions, which this happens to all non lord units, and the exception of the green recruitables, Lindon felt somewhat memorable for BEING the only real missable unit, where as Clanne and Franne just get forgotten after chapter 4 I wanna say. If I didn't know better, having tried to get all characters to stat caps and max bond with Rings, they were honestly the easiest to have fall off, even with the unique commands they get in their starting classes (specifically Franne), but that's just me, as for 3 houses Gilbert... Yeah I agree, having done 3 of the 4 routes.
For Engage, I'd put Jade. I forgot I recruited her at all. Conversely, I loved Lindon and was sad reading his epilogue. =[
Lindon for Heroes.
I remembered Nomah but it's really probably mostly because there isnt that many characters in SoV... For Fates and Awakening tho I agree with your picks I usually tends to play the kids more due to the fact that they are either better (Fates, espe in conquest where haviing the royals + their kids is litterally the best team) if the pairing are well chosen than their parents, either bc of the inherited skills you can give them wich make them faster to build.
I feel like Lindon and Saphyr actually stand out more in that game for being slightly diverse in their age/appearance/circumstances. Way more other characters in the “pale teen-aged ambiguous retainer” range just sort of anamorph into each other because of the designs being, ironically, so jarring or irrational without any characterising that they end up kind of blending together, or their lack of screen time or any noteable purpose or characteristics. Other people have brought up Bunet and Ambert (I think Diamant’s retainer?), but I’d also add Louis to the potential list of contenders. Tbh Diamant can fall under the radar kind of often for lords’ standards too
Ironically in writing that latter sentence about being forgettable for a lord I totally forgot about Timerra so I’ll throw her in too
@@EXchoco Saphyr is unique, Lindon isn't. He isn't the first old man and he isn't going to be the last generic old man who looks like an old man.
@@ryanj4607 In his own game I mean. He’s the only old man who looks like an old man in Engage
My vote for Sacred Stones would have been Dozla, I had to look up his name. Of all the characters, the only reason I remember he exists at all is that I remember there was A CHARACTER that followed L'Arachel around. I never remembered or cared about him as an individual because he interacts with almost no one but L'Arachel and you get Ross and his dad as ax users WAY earlier in the game.
Ironically, I forgot about Kellam from Awakening until this video popped into my feed and I started trying to answer it myself.
calling daisy the most forgettable fe4 unit is really strange shes got thief utility which is super useful in fe4. i think that alone makes her more memorable than the rest of the substitute units
I forgot Child characters altogether exist in Fates 💀
And even after you mentioned them, the only ones I could remember was Kana, without looking them up.
I'm a month late, but I had to comment. As someone who's favorite child unit is Laurent, I have to say I think he's underrated. Yes, I can understand some thinking he's bland compared to others like Owain and Norie. Or even some not even recruiting him cause they didn't know you needed Miriel or Chrom to visit the first village. But even with that, I still love him the most. And I'm not saying he suffered the most out of all the child units, but he's had it rough. Spoiler alert for his supports with his father.
In his B support with his father, he mentions that due to a mishap with the time travel ritual, he ended up three years too early than the intended time (by that, I mean three years before the war with Plegia. Aka, chapters 1-11). Thus, he's been on his own for FIVE whole years by himself. And while he dismissed it at first, saying he isn't a child and can mange just fine on his own, he eventually confesses in his A support with his father that he was very lonely. Stuck wandering an era where he knew no one for FIVE YEARS. He kept hoping to meet up with the other future children, but knew the chances were miniscule. He had NO ONE to lend an ear or help him through his despair. And he spent many nights thinking he'd die ALONE. From pain or otherwise.
He's suffered so much. And even if you don't like him that much, I'm sure some of you can agreed he's suffered a lot. Put yourself in his shoes. Imagine if you were stuck in a time where you knew no one. Had no way to contact your friends/family, and feared every night could be your last as you searched for them. It's horrible and I think Laurent could use a bit more love.
I would argue Bunnett for Engage
When I replayed the game a year after release, I definitely remembered about Sophire and Linden, but I'd completely forgotten there was another person that was recruited at the same time as Pandrao
You just don't need new characters at that point, and he's lackluster in personality, as well as stats, only anywhere close to memorable as a cooking meme
HOLY SHIT LARGO IN THE THUMBNAIL! THATS MY GOAT
"Lorenz is so forgettable _Three Houses_ reused the name" Dude fucking exploded in FE3, you don't exactly forget about the guy who exploded.
Lorenz was just that damn good, but only in mystery of the emblem
he did shine a bit in shadow dragon (the remak)
I don't find Geitz to forgettable, as stated he is actually a really good unit and beyond that a pretty interesting character as the son of a wealthy merchant who left his fathers business after finding out they trafficked slaves and is looking for a purpose in life. His supports with Dart, Dorcas, and Isadora are all rather touching. Guess I am biased as I tend to aim for the Linus map over Lloyd as I can't stand the fog.
In terms of actual most forgettable character in fe7 I would say Wil. If he didn't join as your only archer in Lyn's campaign I don't think there would be anything to remember him by, and thats assuming you even play Lyn's campaign which I know most veteran players just skip. He is a subpar archer with a personality like white bread. Only mildly interesting things with him is his connections to Rebecca as childhood friend.
I agree with Lindon in Engage. I didn’t realize he was recruitable and I knocked out his hp, it wasn’t until I watched a video where the UA-camr recruited him that I knew he was he a potential ally.😅
Robert is my favourite character in Thracia and there was a point where I was all of his votes in every CYL with my two alts.
I'd argue the least memorable character in Tellius is the red dragon... Gareth I think? The only lines he ever really gets are going "At once, sir" when he receives an order. At least Nealuchi has dialogue 😂
Here's my pick for Awakening: When was the last time anyone thought of Say'ri?
I would say for Engage that Saphir is much more forgettable than Lindon because Lindon is well known for his high-crit gimmick strategies. I went into my last Engage playthrough planning on recruiting him from the start. I forgot Saphir existed until you mentioned her
when it comes to Kjelle vs. Laurent, I think I'd lean towards Laurent moreso, but that's mostly because Kjelle has something of a ringer in having some supports with Severa and Lucina that kinda drag her along by extension on their huge popularity. Meanwhile...I literally can't remember any of Laurent's supports. He's just his mom gender-swapped for all I can remember of him. lol
The only support of Laurent, I can remember is him having a kink for getting yelled at by Noire.
Me: *Cries in the fact that many don't like Laurent*
Ok, but seriously. I respect people's opinions. I'm just biased cause he's my favorite child unit. I also love his supports with some of the other characters. Plus, I think the sibling conversation between him and Morgan is adorable (even if it's the same for the others) and makes sense in my opinion. Plus, his support conversations with his father pulls at my heartstrings T_T
This comment is for all the Garret fans. I love this egg headed crit machine Bandit.
10:29 in terms of Awakening, I forgot about Donnel and actually Awakening Tiki. It wasn't until Heroes I saw both of them exist and while one of them would end up as my first 5-star +10 unit and would become a favorite of mine where in my recent playthrough, I married Tiki.
the other being Donnel. Now most of that was because I ignored the paralogues and didn't realize that they were important at the time when I played. Honestly.... I don't have much memory and fondness for many of awakenings characters, and I never even knew awakening had "child units" until a friend told me a year later, and by then, Fates had released so I was in a better shape in dealing with supports.
In fact, I think in my original save (where I stopped at Chapter 20, and I still have a save from the middle of that battle) My highest bond is actually Robin and Lon'qu. and at the time I never understood it.
In terms of Fates, I don't think I can say I forget any character from there.
3 Houses I think Cyril is forgettable but also someone I dislike, and the same goes with Jean.
Hard disagree on Three Houses, personally. I remember Gilbert since he's tied so tightly to Annette and her whole storyline, is in her paralogue, and and appears in Tower of Black Winds at least as an NPC. Cyril on the other hand... as a personality he's is absolutely nothing. Of all the runs I've done of 3H, I've never once even considered Cyril as part of the crew.
Natasha is incredible I love her and refuse to consider her as the most forgettable !!!
I tried to guess a couple characters for every game. I got your picks for Shadow Dragon, Thracia 776, Binding Blade, and Three Houses
2:16 W.D. GASTER IS IN FIRE EMBLEM!?!??!!?!?
Nobody else liked it, but I see your dumb lil joke :3
Going to not name names so as to not spoil the content of the video. I knew about the choices for Echoes, Awakening, Three Houses, and Engage. As those are 4 of the 5 FE games I have completed a playthrough of at least once. The 5th is Fates, but I didn't meet the requirements for the character mentioned in the video.
I’d like to think kellam is in the thumbnail but who knows maybe I just forgot her was there. Jokes aside excellent video though and through
I remember years ago in Germnan fan circles, there was a littlke fight over who is better: Natasha or L'Arachel. In the end game of Sacreed Stones, undead was one of the most common enemy types and both characters could wield light magic at the end of the game. Key difference, L'Arachel starts on a horse, so she can heal and run and there's only one desert map in the entire game.
Also, I really like Benny and married him on my first playthrough. I never did use Ignatius, but I did not forget him. I think I did bother doing some bonds with him. I've never beaten Birthright or the third route, though.
Daisy does gave a secret conversation with Shanan tho and being a horrible unit is honestly pretty memorable to me. tbh its kinda hard ot say whose least memorable bc while i didnt do a full sub run i played the game multiple times and had all but Creidne and Dalvin in my team at some point
i actually did forget about Lindon. i was so upset when i read he could be recruited (simply because i like having a lot of options even if i don't use most of them). my next play through i recruited him as soon as i saw him. i used warp and everything 🤣🤣
I remember Nomah only because he absolutely looks like he'd have some story importance like Gotoh or Athos.
Only to turn out no, Dumbledore over here really is just a generic npc with a nicer design they made playable on a whim.
Trude is a kinda shitty unit, but he at least comes with a skill (Nihil) and is associated with the (generally very cool and liked) dandelion gang.
Cain and Alba are both further down the list IMO, but the sort of direct homage to the original Cain and Abel is a little notable. Hicks (who is actually my favorite character in the series) is pretty forgettable but his recruitment is interesting and he shows up during an exciting escape map.
Robert would be my pick for overall most forgettable, he joins about 8-10 levels behind at the exact same time as a waaaaaay better bow knight. He even starts with only an E rank in bows, *E.* The other level one archers that you could get start with E+10 and E+30 8-10 chapters earlier
Actually, Trude comes with Nihil. which can help against bosses but not all bosses have skills and normal enemies barely have any, if not, don't have any skills
@@bluewilliam7203 oops why'd I write vantage? Yeah he does come with Nihil, It's mostly useful for getting past greatshield on general bosses.
Mareeta also comes with Nihil, and is a better boss killer in general, but being overshadowed by Mareeta is way better than being overshadowed by Tanya IMO
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Picking Natasha for fe8 seems insane to me. Sure, you get Moulder earlier, but her being a requirement to recruit Joshua, a very popular character, AND how popular of a ship Joshua x Natasha is stops her from being forgettable. Imo, I'd say the most forgettable from fe8 is either Garcia or Syrene
for archanea i would say the sable knights that are only playable in archanea saga and new mystery, i even had to google their names
FEH has yet to release Shura. I want him in the app game so badly
As a newer player(started from Awakening), you know... I'm agree, i'm really strugling to remember Laurent(but i actually really like Miriam) .
In Fates, most forgeatable for me was in fact Azura's son. Shigure i think? I'm like... Not really a fan of pegasus riders, so i barely ever used him.
I feel like Bunet is also pretty forgettable. Yes, you can't miss him like Lindon, but aside from Bunet having the same va as Berkut, he never made a big impact either unit wise or character wise, from what I've seen