The Terrifying Tale Of Tyrant Superman
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There have been numerous versions of Superman that have appeared over the years at DC Comics. Both in canon and outside of it, many comic writers have posed the question, what if the man of steel were evil? The silver age is no exception, as Superman 172 gives us the "Tyrant Superman." Discover the tale of Kal- El's successor Ar-Val and how it all goes wrong here on Casually Comics!
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What's your favourite alternate Superman story?
0k, this isn't a silver age story or even just focus on Superman per se, so I'm cheating a bit but Batman:Holy Terror elseworlds story was great to me. Don't want to spoil it for those who haven't read it but it has a twist at the end I didn't see coming. As for the Silver Age, it would be some of those sons of Superman and Batman stories in World's Finest comics, again, not just focusing on Superman
despite not really liking most other things mark millar has written, I really like superman red son
Reign of the Supermen , introduced John Henry Irons/Steel , & the then New Superboy 🖖🏾
The lion head Superman was pretty wild. Hopefully McFarlane will make an action figure of him. I needs that in my life..!!!
Two parter Action 311+312. King Superman vs. Clark Kent Metallo.
I love how these deep dives into silver age just make every new "Evil Superman" story more redundant. Every new writer who does it thinks it's a unique take but it's been done for so long.
Right? It's like any Dark Realistic take on fairy tales.
@@katherinealvarez9216 yeah, those get it rough. Having all fun and imagination being sucked in favour to be more relateble.
@@user-ManofStyle1 not to mention that apparently the only way a girl can be empowered is to do sword fighting and wear tight pants.
It isn't really redundant when the aim of comics at the time is simply to entertain and nothing more.
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It's not even to make it more relatable, just more edgey.
"Unfortunately, Ar-Val lost his powers before Lois could get around to marrying him..."
--Morgan Freeman, probably
I can confirm he said that. I was there when he did.
Homelander: "Jesus Christ man, take it easy."
Homelander: "I'm Superman... and I can do whatever thw f××k I want"
@@marcusyates3044 beat me to it lol
Superman Kal-El: At least I'm aware that my house was secretly assholes, but not NAZI assholes!
I can imagine Ar-Val, Bee-Boy, and Mon-El leaving increasingly-desperate voicemails on Clark's phone..."For God's sake, man, it's been 60 years! Haven't you found a cure yet?"
Would Ar-Val be able to talk, I feel like at the most he could just mumble.
@@d-manthecaptain1382 Mumble? I think you mean crumble
Hey, the whole city of Kandor is still waiting to get un-shrunk.
@Raven Wilder yeah, it's too bad he's never found a size altering device, or super hero known for altering size, or fought a villain with a shrink ray, or...
@@ravenwilder4099 - That one, at least, he eventually managed to do in the 1980s.
So Superman can easily restore his Lilliputian Kryptonians but chooses to leave them trapped watching movies of how awesome he is? And he’s *NOT* the evil one?!?
I like that Jimmy was included in the stuff that Clark gave away when he lost his powers. Does he think Jimmy is a job perk?
That kind of plot point makes a little more sense with a character like Robin who is a dual identity if there was a new Batman then it does for Jimmy, who is just a guy
Maybe "superman's pal" wasn't just a description. Maybe it was a title that came with official responsibilities to superman.
I think Jimmy is more an obligation than a perk.
Honestly getting rid of Jimmy might not be a bad thing Jimmy always cause trouble
It's the bowtie.
I love how "radiation" in the Silver Age (surprisingly common!) is either a) no big deal, a little uranium exposure never hurt nobody OR b) unimaginably deadly such that a small radioactive comet passing by a planet could end all life
There really is no middle ground when it comes to "silver age" science.😂😂😂
Or c) a positive thing that gives you superhuman powers
@@chriswest6988 Dang, kicking myself for leaving that one off
Actually, in the Silver Age, radiation either was harmless or gave you superpowers. Just like lightning .
radiation is either noexistant or is a mcguffin to create or solve something.
"Tyrant Superman" Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
Wait, GL could have re-sized the people of Kandor...at any time?! And...Superman apparently knew this all along? Umm...
(Also, I can't help but imagine someone with a bullhorn repeating "New Superman!" right outside Clark's apartment window...)
And I can't help but imagine Clark snapping one day and beating the shit out of that guy with the bullhorn, lol
@Hand-of-Omega…I was thinking the same thing”Wait… you can resize people from Kandor with a Green Lantern ring?!!” I imagine the people of Kandor thinking “I thought he didn’t know of a cure?! How long has he known a Green Lantern ring can do this? What?!!!!!” 🤣🤣
It's me. I'm the one with the bullhorn.
I mean their homes are in that bottle idk if there’s much of a rush to leave
Ar-Val was chosen because he was the only Kandorian with a spit curl.
Has anyone noticed how the Silver Age treated the 30th Century like a place rather than a time? "The rest of the Legion are.off on a mission. But don't worry, we'll just wait for next month when everyone is present and they'll we'll contact back in the next seond, since we are communicating via time travel."
Another way in which time travel is like UA-cam -- a suspension of disbelief.
That's a good point. Maybe, though, they need to keep a constant time offset between ages to reduce the chance of a time paradox.
Ar-val could have been used in a lot more stories. For example, he could have been recruited as a freedom fighter against Injustice Superman's Regime.
IIRC, the Silver Age Green Lantern ring was able to duplicate itself, so I'm guessing that Hal just gave Kal a temporary dupe.
This whole story kind of gives me Batman: Knightfall vibes. In both cases, the hero gets incapacitated, hand picks a successor to take over the superhero identity, and then tries to retire to a normal civilian life. In both cases, they wind up needing to find a way to get back in the superheroing business while their designated heir goes mad with power. Though I suppose Ar-Val never went quite as far off the rails as Azrael, even though *he* had to sacrifice himself for his redemption while Azrael got a 100 issue spinoff series. 😅
I always saw reign of the supermen as the superman equivalent to knightfall.
The ring can still duplicate, but it takes a lot ot energy and doesnt last to much time
I'd argue that Ar-Val did in fact get an update. The blonde Kandorian villain from Superman: Godfall is basically Ar-Val with his negative aspects dialed past 11.
Justice for Ar-Val! Really, the ideas of a temporary replacement Superman for Kandor is a great idea. If there was a reason all the Superman robots couldn't function, and Clark slipped on a bar of soap and hit his head on kryptonite, there you go!
Before I realized that Sasha is dressed as the comet, I thought she was celebrating St. Patrick's Day.
She was cosplaying as Meteor (wo)Man
I suspect their original plan was for Ar-Val to sacrifice his life for Superman but someone got cold feet so they switched it to something 'milder'... not death but something similar.
Currently watching Smallville for the "first" (as an adult, anyway) time. And I just watched the episode where Clark accidentally transfers his powers to some random kid. There are many parallells to this story in that episode. Although in that story it turns out Clark can transfer his powers to just about anyone as long as he holds on to a piece of kryptonite and gets hit by a sufficient amount of electricity.
Apparantly Superman's position requires the traditional Superman forehead hair curl. It's a necessity to the job.
The curl and the one and only Jimmy Olsen proves whether you are worthy or not.
it's for marketing synergy purposes
@@djpegao looks better on billboards as well.
@14:07 Ar-Val joins the "I'll definitely get around to curing you... whenever" list, with Bee Boy and Mon-El 😄
And the Bottle City itself...
My favorite bit is the "Too bad I cannot cure the Kandorians... unless I borrow this ring from my buddy Hal!" I think I get it now; he knew all along that all but 2 Kandorians were definitely jerks who could not handle super powers, and only 2 were possible replacement Supermen. Also; why only one New Superman? Was the other guy that bad at it?
He might have Hal's ring, but Clark will never be known for the planes he flew
Loved the vid, it was super-fun! Side tangent: I have to say, the "bottle city" thing has always amused me. I don't know if there has ever been an attempt to explain how these poor people survive, but I haven't seen it. No city is completely self-sufficient. That's why sieges work. Eventually the city runs out of food and other essentials. Does Superman drop them tiny pallets of supplies every week? What is their water source? Where do they grow enough food? I need to know!
Brainard gave them self sustaining environment. Don't ask me how, science fiction techobabble.
gonna chalk that up to _"Their technology is so advanced they can even create things out of thin air"_
@@djpegao I know that the animated movies aren't canon. But Zor El toll Lal El in one that Brainbiac provides their needs. That's my head canon.
At that size, thet could get plenty of water just from ordinary condensation. Or if someone drops about an ounce of water in there once a week or so.
And similarly with food, whatever is dropped in there is gonna go a long way!
10:30 "How could you do this? He gave you Jimmy."
Considering what a pain in the ass Jimmy generally is, I think you just answered your own question about Ar-Val's motivations.
3:45 According to Hal Jordan himself, “(sigh) My Power Ring can do anything for me except get me the one thing in the world I want most-Carol!” ❤😂
Superman was a tyrant in an episode of Batman: the Brave and the Bold, thanks to Red Kryptonite... Just thought you know that
Nah more of a dick but the best part was him shaking Kandor
Ah, the times when this idea was Silver Age nonsense, and not a freaking overdone and frustrating storyline in of itself.
Yes, I'm bitter and salty about the use of Injustice/Tyrant/"Subversive," Superman.
Injustice was a good story--that has dragged out for years too long.
The Silver Age Superman wasn't just Superboy. He was also Superbaby!
"The Green Comet" would make a good super hero name.
It could be pals with Meteor Man
Yay for more Legion!!! Thank you, Sasha!
And yes, probably the worst of Superman's forgotten promises is still Mon-El... Or is it? Since he found out as a boy that Mon-El would not be released until the 30th century, was there any point in trying? Or did he give up because of finding that out? Ugh, time travel.
A Clark Kent story without super power should be about how he is pretty terrible at his job now that he can't easy drop on everyone, can't fly at super speed to get scoops, and is late typing up his story at regular speed. Lois would certainly be kicking his butt for stories, until she gets stepped on by a robot or marries a really handsome statue.
I always assumed he was just naturally a good reporter even without his powers.
9:38 "As I can't fly now..." You have Cosmic Boy's magnetism powers, Clark.
Let's just see what Static has to say about this from over in the Dakotaverse:
"Flying on a trashcan lid or a manhole cover too good for you, big man?"
Yeah, that checks.
Also Magneto flies on an electric/magnetic bubble (depending on the writer) looking dapper AF, just another proof of Supes being too lazy to put the effort
Am i the only one who sees a similarity with how Superman gets his powers back in Superman II the Donne Cut?
As in a mechanism from Jor-El that transfers his life essence to Clark.
Wonder if this one of the inspirations for that even if it handles way better in the film.
This was one of the first comics I read using my own money to buy it. At the time I thought it was a great story with no flaws (of course I was in second grade then and very uncritical). Thank you very much for taking me back to my childhood and the beginnings of my love of comics!
9:12 Say what you will, Blondie there has a decent justification for getting the City to pass that law even if he's really doing it to screw with Clark. Having Superman imposters walking around is a legit concern for everyone involved, and it's already happened more than a few times by this point. Heck, there was a whole Fleischman cartoon built around that as a plot.
You do not just hint at the Red Bee without following up!
Suggestion for a future video: the amazing weird and cool comics "Uncanny X-Men at the State Fair of Texas". It includes a centaur/angel hybrid kicking Magneto 's butt, puzzle on professor x's head and much much more!
Today's Green Lantern Cosplay is very cool.
Thanks for yet another great Silver Age episode.
Thanks for exposing me and other viewers to this fun new story. I like that even the Silver Age has attempted to deconstruct Superman in his own title. Unlike current deconstructions which emphasize the pathology of a tyrant who is corrupted by the excess of power to become violent, this story focused more on the pettiness and vainglorious aspects of the character. These distinct depictions may be due to being regulated by the comics code, but I feel it also reflects the changing mindsets of people at different periods of time and what they needed to feel powerful and validated as well as what readers from different times seek out in order to be stimulated.
"It has to be chained person energy or it doesn't work. Also it's my kink, don't judge me."
How did Jor-el know that comet would take away people's super powers? Kryptonians didn't have powers on Krypton, or did he already know they could have had powers under a different sun?
A previous video "Superman Is Discount Flash, Batman & More!!" shows when Jor-El used future predicting television sets to learn of the many possible lives his son would live depending on what planet he was sent to.
Jor-El and Lara were dying from Anti-Kryptonite poisoning before the planet blew up. Logic in the Silver Age was a fluid concept.
@@Awestefeld6612 continuity was fluid as well.
@@d-manthecaptain1382 I love the idea that depending on the planet that superman could literally become another JL hero.
That machine. It just gets you so stoned. You stay stoned for the rest of eternity. AR-Val. Mad stoned
That powerless Clark Kent story was kinda done in the book "52". By the the time he gets his powers back after a year without them, he becomes the Daily Planets top reporter, wins a Pulitzer, and single handedly takes down Intergang.
F S could really stand for something much different. But it was the silver age, so former Superman it is.
That’s exactly what I was thinking for Former Superman!! What were they thinking???🤣
Fuck Superman
Clark “ Bruce you haven’t always made the best selection when it came to who could substitute for you as Batman…need I remind you of Jean Paul Valley ?” Bruce “ Need I remind you of the six foot four Ar-Val stone man in your fortress “ lol …did anyone else notice how little Superman of FS looked like he was dying or even hurt when Ar-Val chained him to the power converter 🤨 …Anyway Luv the Kryptonite green wig & outfit …Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
JPV did nothing wrong! He never killed anyone, he didn't save a serial killer from himself, but he didn't kill him. Wayne on the other hand, beat up a bunch of martial artist and gave them to Lady Shiva, knowing she was killing them. He didn't know she'd kill the first one, but he knew what he was doing after that. Bruce is more responsible for their deaths than JPV was for any.
Although I did mean it as a joke, JPV wasn’t quite Dick Grayson as The Batman was he 🖖🏾
The Greem Lantern ring can do many things...except prevent trips and falls
Homelander is looking real different lately 😬😬😬
Homelander: "I'm Superman... and I can do whatever thw f××k I want"
All I can think is Some poor planet is about have a night of the comet situation 2:49
To be honest, Ar-val is a story ripe to be retold with modern writers. The idea that Superman named a successor from Kandor should he ever permanently lose his superpowers? Maybe give it more of a slow burn and have it where Ar-val is given the mantle but it actually takes awhile for Superman to utilize him, and as he is brought back, have the power and responsibility go to his head. Actually play up how people are comparing him to the old Superman, maybe have him get angry how people want to give him a different name and that upsets him, so he starts creating his own disasters and fixing them, that is what triggers him to want to be the one and only Superman. And yeah, have some big name villains who normally wouldn't be so forward realize a green Superman is the perfect time to strike. Plus, having Superman having to call in favors to cobble together a superhero identity that can fight on par with Ar-val Superman, maybe a mesh of machine and magic. I think that could be a great modern Superman story!
11:48
LOL,😂 I had my left eye covered at this moment and thought he was saying,
"You Mother@#$%ers !!"
in the same way that Homelander would...😅
It was an interesting story. I liked your mentioning Beeboy again. I remember hearing the story/song "Eric the Half a Bee" by the Monty Python Players.
"Where's Hal, Clark?"
He just slipped on a banana peel and knocked himself out. He'll be fine...
Love your Clark's voice over!
Jimmy sounds a bit like Peter Parker...lol
And here I was thinking you would be talking about one of my all-time favorite Superman stories - the one in Action Comics 311 and 312 in April and May 1964.
Once you see Anthony Starr with his glasses and natural hair, Superman's secret identity thing seems a lot more feasible.
Could you do a video on Secret Hero Society? It was a graphic novel series where all the DC characters are middle schoolers, written by Derek Fidolfs and art by Dustin Nguyen. It's really easy to find, but for some reason it seems to have completely fallen through the cracks when it comes to DC themselves. It's not on the wiki, the official DC website, or any pirating site I've ever heard of, despite being an official DC publication. I've always wondered why that is, and it'd be amazing if you talked about it, cause it was such a significant part of my comic book childhood.
Something you said at the beginning made me think of a hypothetical teaser cover, of Clark/Supes in a jam somehow, thinking, "I know you always wanted to marry Superman, Lois, and now you can! When I'm gone, the man you wed will be granted my powers and abilities!"
Girl, how do you find time to keep putting out all this fun content? You're spoiling us. If you ever take a real vacation a lot of us are going to get Sasha withdrawals.
Tarnished Silver Age is the greatest age.
Homelander before homelander
Homelander: "I'm Superman... and I can do whatever thw f××k I want"
A litigious villain? Nothing is more terrifying. But seriously did Superman just jack Hal's ring for what was essentially a joyride?
Superman would suffer less if he'd just shut his window once in a while.
This story could easily be continued into today's era. Bring him back via the Lazerus volcano. Make a new Reign of Superman starting with him. The other 3? Off hand I have no idea.
Just have ar-val become the new superman and have the eradicator try eradicating him, steel uncovering his crimes and true motives, and superboy be jealous that he didn't get to become superman.
@@ProjektTaku To be honest, that sounds nice. That is something that could run amongst multiple Superman titles for 3 or 4 months.
Watching these SA Superman videos makes me anxious for the Superman Silver Age Omnibus this year!!!
If anything, the blond haired Superman reminds me of the blond Jean-Paul Valley, the evil replacement for Batman...Speaking of hair color, nice Doc Samson wig, Sasha!
"How can you do this to him? He gave you Jimmy!"
...can't...breath...🤣
Loving the silver age analysis! But looking at all these panels from the comic makes me realize Swan drew every male face exactly the same. Only the hair changes. Probably the women too.
Maybe de-powered Superman should have opened a fashion boutique and studied Kung fu under a blind master...
And 90s Batman was also bad at picking replacements. Though, Jean-Paul Valley gets a bad wrap. He didn't actually kill anyone, he just didn't save a serial killer from himself. AND, Bruce was training under Lady Shiva and bring her people he knew she was killing. Bit hypocritical of him if you ask me to say JPV was not worthy and went too far.
8:00 Well hell, if anyone ought to be able to tell Clark how to get super-powers it's Jimmy. He's almost overqualified.
"I've got some of that six-arms alien fruit left if you want a bite."
5:08 Obviously Krypton and Kandor technology hasn't advanced to the point where Mirror Mate Adhesive exists.
Superman Classic sounds like the strangest sodapop ever. 🤣
Jimmy Olsen: Who's the best blonde Superman
Homelander: I'm stronger, I'm smarter, I'm better, I am better
Ar-Val: Excuse me
Now every time i am seeing Fortress of Solitude i am searching for this Ar-Val statue. Some artist had to include him among other memorabilia
The Formerly Known As Superman didn’t get to become a symbol like Prince.
A little late, but luckily UA-cam compensates for the lack of a proper time-machine being handy! I was 9 when first read this then-new story. It had so much drama, friendship, heroism, hint of romance plus the ingenious plot device of borrowing the powers of allies -- all the big-world elements done so well it remains worth rereading -- or discovering as a gold nugget from a bag of gems as Sasha has shrewdly done here. This story exemplifies why Silver Age is so enduring -- writing, art, editing, and timing. BTW why turn him into stone? Maybe because editor Weisinger often recognized that Curt Swan's talent was well displayed by statues and monuments.
5:20 It's even worse than that, he was Super-Baby as well. No waiting for puberty for this guy. It's a miracle the Kents didn't die in a tantrum at some point.
10:30 LMAO. I like how Jimmy is just a measure of value here.
A green comet, aw man, I was hoping it would be the comet from Maximum Overdrive and Clark would fight a sentient truck with the Green Goblins face on it lol
_"Lex's on sabbatical honey!"_
Another mention of Bee Boy, the famed ward of,
Doctor Bees!
In regards to green lantern ring Ihave a suggestion. Maybe it was a copy of his ring. I recall a story from the silver age where Hal made a ring for his pal
Pie. Please check it out and do a video.
14:18 Mr freeze and Clark can now bond over finding cures for inanimate people
The cw crisis on infinite earths part where we find out that Tom welling’s Superman gave up his powers makes sense (especially the part where kryptonite doesn’t affect him). I wonder if this and/or any other Superman loses is powers stories are the inspiration for Tom welling’s Superman’s fate.
For a sec I thought that was a wig on Superman
So I'm going out on a limb and speculating most people received their first look at "evil Superman" through the DCAU's Justice Lords arc. And I mean tyrant evil, not Superman III super-jackass evil.
Even before that, Superman: TAS had an ep where an alternate Superman went dark and took over Metropolis...At least the Justice Lords didn't give him the excuse of Lois dying, which is what it usually is. Lois sure must have *something* "super" about her if Superman totally goes evil the instant he loses access to it...!
@@HandofOmega she's super _"nimble"_
Any new Superman gets their own costume, fortress and standard issue jimmy
Why, oh why can't I receive "All Notifications" for this channel?
Batman swiped the ring. He's done it before😂
It didn’t take long for Ar-Val to learn the American monetary system.
If Jimmy and Clark are calling the future, why can’t the Legion just wait for everyone to get back and then call back to the same moment in time?
😂😂😂😂...." the hero formerly known as ...."😂😂😂
5:43 if it's any consolation, i once joked that the Fantastic Four's origin story should be called "Fantastic _Fourigin"_ XDDDD
I think Hal slipped in the Justice League Break Room and Clark just casually borrowed it while Hal is in the hospital
Superman vs Homelander would be such a great story.
I need Clark awkwardly laughing whenever Azrael gets brought up, because sure, only *Bruce* makes poor replacement choices-
Totally.
“I Love You Superman replacement from Kandor!”
Wow I really never of heard of this story before myself?😯
Great video Sasha. Love the Silver age. And how would you say that your coffee tastes?
Wow! I somehow missed this video a year ago-what a story!
13:42 love the laugh