@@CrossingMinute It's not like EA will listen and they are the ones that need to hear it. I'm just really frustrated with the whole mess and have trouble seeing this as a positive. TBH I have attitude problems when it comes to EA these days anyway. And yet I'm still going to buy the new Dragon Age because I have no sense and apparently am too old to learn new tricks. 😂
@standingout34 Dang imagine being able to play the sims and it not almost completely break your computer beyond repair just opening up the EA app before you even get to the game. And I have no expansions, no mods no nothing, and I got it on laptop when it became free.
@@CrossingMinute it won’t be fixed so it’s rather the death of a franchise vs a possible reincarnation in the form of the sims 5. One is dead end, another is hope. Also, they had 10 years!!!
I love The Sims, I grew up on it. But I can say with full heart that it needs to die. Every game series has an ending point and 4 needs to be that ending point.
Sims 3 in my opinion was their best version: open worlds, color wheels, great expansion packs. I was really hoping that the Sims 5 would be a wonderful combination of Sims 4 graphics and Sims 3 gameplay style
Naw I think that sims 2 was better just look at the details in sims 2 compared to those in sims 3 and 4. I hoped that sims 5 would have had sims 4 graphics and 2/3 gameplay style
Well, that's just great. A never-ending expansion of a 10 year old game. I started losing interest in Sims 3 and for Sims 4, I probably played a month and dropped it. Like you said, they just keep coming out with new versions you have to start over with. Was hoping that Sims 5 would actually be better, not just more of the same. And now that's done.
I would love if Animal Crossing did this. But have some tweaks. 1. make it similar to My Sims (I know, not the best game to play, but it had good ideas) where you can fully design homes and furniture for you villagers based on their personality types. 2. make it where if we want to make several different areas we can take our character and "move" to another area to start over without having to buy a whole new system (while also allowing us to keep our old areas in case we want to go back). 3. allow us to tailor make/move the items to our liking (i.e. if I have a trash can item and I'm doing an abandoned themed whatever, allow me to take that upright trash can and turn it on its side as if the wind knocked it over). 4. give us unlimited custom designs to use (when we are done using the custom design on something give us an option to "store it" for later use and get another design to use). That's a lot there. Sorry.
Crusader kings 3 is already basically the Sims of Paradox. you have 3d characters and a big pile of clothes and now you can even play with a landless character. you can start a family etc + murder etc... and more. but still sad, it's always a shame when a game is canceled that could have been a contender for sims.
With my little sisters we bought all of the Sims 2 DLC and we were really happy. But when we realized we'd have to do it all over again with the Sims 3 we just stopped playing the game. I watch people play it on Twitch and UA-cam but that's about it. I'm not willing to invest that much for one game
SIMS 4 needs to be over and instead doing expansion be over and just fix it for the next year... The 5 if ever happens in the future needs to be an open world....
If anyone thinks they care about the consumers and their save files or purchasing a new game to start over again... I've got a bridge in Manhatten for sale. They could make the Sims 2 + 3 = Sims 5 game that the MAJORITY of the fanbase has been begging for, for 10 long years. The way I see it is... they are killing off the pc/console part of the franchise (if not the entire thing). I think Grant knew it when he left. They don't want the expense of creating a pc/console simulation game as it's way to involved and expensive. They are going to use the assets already created for TS4 for their new marketing avenues of money grabbing online.. which they have been dying to do for decades now. I have every game and every expansion of every iteration of Sims game for 24 yrs. This is a sad day.
I don't think you're being unfair or anything, but it feels like you're making a lot of assumptions here. Justified ones for sure! My read on this is that they want to pour more resources into whatever Project Rene is and potentially let Sims 4 coast. IMO this COULD be a good move when you look at how games like Minecraft have had indefinite road maps, but I also respect that this is EA we're talking about and I may be a bit too hopeful that they'll do the right thing. I'm willing to see what happens though!
Eeh, I feel like the new generations of the Sims games brought something new and fresh to game play, that couldn't exist in the previous versions, and that's what made investing in the new games worth it. I can't remember the gap between Sims 1 and 2, but Sims 3 had a bigger more open world than Sims 2 and Sims 4 had a more robust emotion system than Sims 3... at the cost of the open world from Sims 3 haha... Anyway I was excited to see the new take that Sims 5 would have -- honestly, I was hoping that they would have a more logical emotion system and an open world. But continuing with the Sims 4 is a disappointment to me. I'm getting whiplash at the number of expansions and packs and kits and creator DLC. There's rearranging of the menus to try to organize the bloat. Maybe I'm just old, but I don't like fishing through the slight changes to the UI to find the right dialogue. It makes me feel like playing the game is literally wasting my life. I wonder how long before they start injecting "locked" objects into the game -- shaded out and when you hover over it, it says "Buy the XYZ expansion to experience this blender" or "Your Neighbor Sim just invited your sim to go bowling. Subscribe to unlock?"
they're just going to switch to a subscription-based service instead so wringing you dry won't be as obvious, just like adobe with their products. they'll find a way to take away what you've already bought through some sorts of restrictions and other paywalls, and if it's an online experience, i can very easily see it becoming a limitation to one house in the game and having to pay to have access to more, like ESO.
I hope they revamp TS4 in that they put the base game and the most important DLC's and make THAT the base game, and in that process, deep clean out as many bugs as they can and update the graphics and enhance interactions. Then I wish Project René comes as both a standalone experience as well as one that can communicate with TS4. Like Happy Home Paradise. I'm ever the optimist though, and the simple fact that we can still rest in the fact that we can keep investing in TS4 is major news to me. But they need to make the existing catalogue more accessible and way more optimized.
the sims 4 is not big no matter what you buy for it, it is pretty shallow and boring cash grab. A mess of bugs and issues that can't be fixed with each new update that literally break your game every time. EA not making the sims 5 is basically killing the whole sims franchise, thanks EA for finally killing the sims. The good thing about it is that someone else will pick up the Sims audience and makes a better game for this audience that used to love the sims 1, 2, 3. something that could have happen for the sims 5 but now will never happen. honestly I don't feel bad about it, the sims franchise needs to die. It's about time to end it and move on to new life simulator games that will do a better job.
They could've at least made a robust game before they stop, TS4 looks bad, plays bad and handles bad... To think this is literally the last game we'll be stuck with is just beyond tilting. But EA killed the original studio so i guess we should've seen this coming.
Sims 4 left me cold and I ditched it early on; cartoony looking Sims, not an open world, among other things. If EA is just going to continue on with Sims 5, then that's the end of the Sims for me. I will focus on Inzoi.
I mean I guess they *could* be? I get the feeling EA could have announced "free kittens for everyone" though and nobody would be happy because it's EA and they've burned us so many times. 😅
Sims 4 base game has been broken since launch, though, and so many expansion and game packs have been released so broken they are almost unplayable. I haven't bought a thing for Sims 4 since 2022, and that is because it's just unplayable, and I feel like I'm wasting my money. And that makes me sad, because I've been into the franchise since Sims 2. So, I was actually looking forward to Sims 5, because I was hoping that if they rebuilt the game from the ground up, it might actually be enjoyable again. But sadly, it seems like they've opted, instead, to do a landlord special, where they just keep slapping layer after layer of white paint over a myriad of structural problems, and hoping no one will notice, while they keep raking in the money. Also, co-op or multiplayer is the last thing I want in the Sims. Maybe I'm the odd one out, here, but it has always been a single-player, solo type enterprise. I'm an introvert. I don't want it.
I just don't think a modern Sims 5 game is going to solve these issue. Sure maybe the bugs that existed in Sims 4 won't be there, but that doesn't mean it's somehow going to be bug-free, you know what I mean? It's the same teams and leadership running the org over there.
(Sims 3 and all its DLC cost 399.8€ ) VS (Sims 4 and all its DLC cost 1,324.17€ ) how much more do you want to pay for one game and its "Additional Content"?.
With The Sims 5 cancelled EA needs to hire EA Creators to overhaul all the townies and renovate all the lots in Willow Creek and Oasis Springs and many of the household/lots from the older expansion/game packs. Build mode has gone through way too many updates (pools, advanced terrain, platforms, curved wall/pools) for all of the older worlds to not be updated.
They cannot fix which is ultimately broken in fundamentals. They should remake the whole game and try to use a different business model to not milk players and actually respect your time when you purchase a game and expansios.
My only fear there is that if people don't like the sims 4, I'm not sure how a Sims 5 fixes the problem? It'll be coming from the same company and the same leadership. I do hope Sims 4 can see some solid fixes now that we understand the direction EA is heading. 🤞
@@CrossingMinute As far as i understand it, most people just want a Sims 3 like experience but with better graphics and Sims 4 is way too buggy and just coded badly enough for the open world nature of the game to be extremely hard (if not impossible) to realise.
@@CrossingMinute A new game only could make it better if they are using new techs and actually focusing on making a game what many people liked about the franchise as a whole. I personally not like the Sims 4 because it is a downgrade from the Sims 3 and they cut a lot of ideas and went back to the early times of Sims with limited lot and stuff. I can however say they have innovations in the game but the pros are less than the cons and the very best would have been they are making a feature and simulation free game with new physics based engine for the Sims 5. This alone could be a good move but the focus on this franchise was always the reusability and resellability. EA will make millions of expansions to actually have a whole complete game and this business model is disgusting. For the Sims 4 they should remake the whole code of the game to be less broken. This game is fundamentally broken and with the added expansions the signs shows more often and they are going to patch patch patch with no effort. The problem is during the time 10 year since this game was released a lot of people who contributed to the game left, new people came but they do no have talent or passion to make something real changes. This is the worst scenario but in my opinion they have enough talent to work but they are not able to do because of orders.
@@thepool5783 More or less as you said. The Sims 3 was semi open world, have a nice "world builder" also you can create themes, styles and overall improve your experience without purchasing items to the game. The only issue is the interactions, high performance needs due optimization (that time the pcs were weaker), needs a real physics based engine and better moddability. The Sims 2-3 were the best in the franchise with the improvements they added.
This is in no ways good news, sorry. They're choosing to shelve the future of their mainline single-player series for something that's going to see nothing but microtransactions. Project Rene is nothing but red flags. Another instance of game devs forgoing one-time purchase model for something that will effectively be a subscription-model (even more than they were doing it with expansions). I fear the Sims players will give it a chance and fall for it because it has a lot of casual gamers that don't have experience with what it means to move a game from a one-time purchase into a subscription/microtransaction model. Long and short of it: You spend 100x times what you would have paid if you don't want your experience to be completely neutered. I commend the optimism of people who think Sims 4 will keep releasing expansion packs if Rene does even moderately well. They'll shove it to the side as soon as they can, because they'll want to reel more players into Rene.
Yeah it would be interesting to see if they just straight ended support for Sims 4 after a bit. No matter, two hopefully strong competitors about to enter the arena
Knowing EA, the current studio will be shut down by the end of the week. XD Wasn't Sims 4 meant to be an online game before it was forced to be like previous instalments? I'd argue a Sims 5 would've give them the breathing room to design a Sims game that's future proofed for this current plan they've got, that isn't built on spaghetti code (Probably why half the packs they add have bugs/glitches or just straight up don't work). And this is EA we're talking about, they'll find many, many other ways to monetize it and I doubt it'll be player friendly. And I will be honest and say I only own one or two packs that were discounted at the time, I can't justify the price of the packs when the base game is bare bones. And needing DLC for already established DLC is just ridiculous. At least with the older games when you bought the expansion pack, that was yours forever. You could reinstall it as many times as needed, even share with it friends. I'd sooner recommend people hunt down the older games and their expansion packs, then burning all their money on the Sims 4.
Tbh this game needs to die off. It shouldn’t have lasted this long. Fans overlook the very basic things in gaming now a days. I stopped playing this game after 3 months in and majority of the packs and expansions purchased. The problems were too obvious to overlook. The joke is no longer on EA if you’re still supporting this game…
I think if inZOI and Paralives release and are hits, then Sims can and will die off. Sims 5 though IMO was never going to be the solution to the problems Sims 4 has had.
the Greed of EA is never ending. now they are going to milk the Sims 4 to completion and then go back on their word. The Sims 5 is still coming, that's for sure. but only after they've milked Sims 4 to the end.
They've made it clear that they're going to monetize Rene with packs as it's a free to play game. If you watch the behind the Sims videos where they're talking about Rene it also sounds like they're going to take themes and split them up even more then the Sims 4 currently does now. So rain in the base game, snow in one pack, fall in another. So for players who dislike the Sims 4 and choose to move onto Rene will have to start again anyway. EA does not care about the players so don't be fooled by this now. The excuse being used to not make the Sims 5 is literally complete rubbish. It's about making even more money.
Please EA, fix the damn gardening issue. Tired of growing plants to Perfect status and then having them revert to dirt piles. I don't play with any mods. This has been a bug forever.
They need to FIX the Sims 4. I love the Sims but most of their packs have bugs. They’ve started addressing some of them but can’t they just make them work before they take our money?
It looks like they are just in really really tiny bits. They have gradually been adding swatches and very minute bugfixes/QOL updates but they really need to take a long break from making packs and fully fixing the bugs in the game and packs that already exist. We dont need 70 new packs we want our existing packs that we paid for TO WORK
@@emmer0exactly. When everyone says ‘what bugs will be in this one’ at every new release, at some point you think they’d go ‘ohhh, maybe we should fix it first’
Actually, that's not a bad thing that The Sims 5 got canned. I have no trust in EA whatsoever. They never fixed The Sims 4, so I like to consider that as comeuppance for EA.
I regret not hitting this point in my video, but Sims 4 has issues and my hope is that they're addressed properly. If the plan was to never fix Sims 4, then why would I want to reward them by buying Sims 5, which will likely also end up being its own broken mess?
I don't know if it is fixable at this point, they ignored bugs for 10 years, it all has to be fixed in order to keep the game stable and they also have to test, test and test any future updates to the game. I have heard that they are rebuilding the entire framework so if they're going to do that, why not just make the next installment and include all of the content we have now in the next base game. E.g. pets and seasons. I don't understand it at all. I really miss the old Sims games 😭
You may be dead right but I still don't think Sims 5 would have been bug free given their track record lately. End of the day, I'm way more hopeful about the potential competition coming out within the life sim space than I am about any Sims news if I'm being honest.
The only thing I'd like to see is Sims 2 remake. Sims 2 was the best. Sims 3 was also great, just the graphics were ugly. But Sims 4 have been a disaster. I somehow don't have fun playing this game at all. If they made Sims 5, I dont think they should add new stuff - they should take what was best in the previous games and put it together to finally make a good product.
i understand people being frustrated but a lot of people still play the sims and mods make it super fun demanding they end it cause yall dont play anymore is wild let those that enjoy it still have fun and play yall can just play something else
Wow I would of LOVED THIS when I bought the game long ago before I knew it was free on steam. The small DLC packs are not worth 100+ with how little there is when half the time the MODDING community has been keeping this game alive. If this means me having the old sims 3 disks from the past for sims 4 (but have lost them from time.) I'd be meh about it. Once they fix the crazy small 100$ plus for such TINY packs and instead maybe put packs with LOTS of content to be WORTH their price. I can ignore my wishes for the ghosts to be the same too even if I wish they where more creepier/interestingly designed.
I started playing the Sims way back when Sims 3 was still the big new thing. I’ve followed Sims 4 since release, too. It’s been incredibly disappointing watching the steep decline into overpriced, buggy DLC, and a huge lack of care and effort from EA. I can only hope that this news comes with new hope, a potential release with heart poured into it, ironed of all the bugs and cheapskate nonsense. I grew up with the Sims and have loved the IP for years, I can only wish EA goes with the good ending and bounces back from the current state of things
Lets be honest here. The people who dislike the sims 4 aren't going to be happy with a new iteration of the series. With the release of inzoi and Paralives, they can finally get something else in the genre and I'm happy for them. For the love of god, please move on please. Yet, if there was a sims 5 that was made - I'm pretty sure it won't fix anything. Like we know we are going to get the same DLC for the sims 5 at the same price tag of the sims 4 DLC. I'm pretty sure that if a sims 5 was made that the base game would probably be lackluster and EA would want to monetize DLC. Again, we will literally have the same problems reappear like in the sims 4 so why does it matter if we get a new sims game or not?
Just tried to get my friend into the sims and having her play Sims 4 made me realize just how congested the game is now with all the packs and updates. Like every five seconds I would say “ignore that pop up.” “Don’t worry about that”. “Not important” Not to say I want less of an experience, but I think the let’s add more and more and more can at some point just become a cluster cluck. Like oh there is a festival and also a neighborhood action plan, oh and prom, also here is a follow your sim to work, and a holiday, someone coming to stay, and even though you got married 5 days ago would you like to ask your neighbor that you just met to be your ring bearer.
I can’t be the only one that thinks Inzoi is way too ambitious and will never happen. And honestly, I don’t really care because I think the character models are creepy.
Honestly? I’m here for any and all kinds of videos you make! You’re one of very few creators I can actually focus on listening to, so anything you wanna talk about - I’m here for it lol
My issue with this is that I do not, for one second, trust EA to actually have the interest of their customers at heart, and that makes me deeply cynical of the direction of the Sims. Project Renee reeks of forcing always-online play onto the players. They’ve already carved the game up so much and charge so much for the DLC that it’s already exhausting to try keep up with them. It’s about what I’d expect for a company like EA who have done such atrocious things to their workers and bleeding their customers dry. Oh well. Yo ho ho for me.
This is great news to be sure, a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Now if EA could go the extra step further and realized that this is also a 10 year old game, and make drastic heavy cuts to the cost of almost equally aged DLC because after 10 years there is no reason why a full sims experience should cost you Base game+$1,235. looking at some of the costs of certain DLC's EA could easily make hand over foot more income from this game than they are currently making even if they were to cut the total cost by 3/4, especially considering they're intending to add new DLC to sims 4 indefinitely, which is now going to drive veteran players and new player alike back to the sims 4 franchise.
So... today is my birthday and I'm spending it so far literally arguing with my husband about this. First of all, I've never played any of these mentioned games. He has. He's saying this video is a lie. I said you're very clearly not dishonest and your speaking on what you see and what's been brought to your attention. He says, the page for Paralives is still there. "You can even still donate money to their Patreon". That there are still videos and his search with sims shows nothing has been taken down. He's driving me bonkers so I said I would say something here. I went to the Paralives page also, it's fulla stuff but I didn't click on anything because I've not played any of it but will say on my end, it's not a blank page. So none of us understands what is going on but I didn't like him saying this is a lying video.
Not sure if I misspoke in a moment of this video, but it's LIFE BY YOU that removed their videos and *Life by You* was the game that was canceled. NOT Paralives. Paralives was announced several years ago and I only expressed skepticism that it's actually releasing in 2025. I was ribbing them for how long development was taking, basically. Anyway, it's possible when I was recording I slipped up and *said* "Paralives" when I meant "Life by You" (too lazy to check right now) but I know I had the UA-cam channel of Life by You pulled up in that section of the video soooo. 🤷♂️
Some companies are run by dum people paradox could have pushed through and actually became competion but humd are too stupid to invest in the future they can only see short term gaijs or loses. If inzoi can get it together the sims is done
the difference between Paradox players and EA players is that pradox players don't Praise DLC they don't like, on the contrary, they often complain when pareadox has made a mistake or released something bad. when EA releases a new addon for sims4 its players celebrate even if it breaks the game or even if it just adds a few things to the game.
Honestly in terms of the generative ai tool in inzoi it’s a COMPLETELY optional tool that you can simply opt out of using and use the image upload tool instead. And it’s not the main focus of the game. Other than that the game looks truly promising. I think EA is giving excuses at this point and just wanna milk sims 4 dry. Changing between sims games has NEVER been an issue but EA SUDDENLY cares about the time and money we put into it? I sincerely would just prefer to move on to games like paralives and inzoi at this point. Where the foundations of the games have features that EA would through in game packs.
Interesting takes here for sure, thanks for sharing! I'm still heavily interested in both Paralives and InZOI, to be clear. I am trying to remain hopeful about the future of the Sims though. 😁
Not super sure what you're saying here, but to basically sum up my thoughts... I'd rather EA fix and then improve Sims 4, rather than starting back from 0 and trying to re-sell everyone the same exact expansion packs they've been re-hashing for years.
I didn't hit this point hard enough, but Sims 4 needs more attention now that it's not going to get a proper sequel. IF they invest in fixing and upgrading Sims 4, then this is great news. If they're just going to release more garbage and never address player concerns, then we need Paralives and inZOI to swoop in and correct the market. Honestly Paralives and inZOI will do that either way haha. But yeah, that's my big regret with this video. I had a lot to say and missed a point I wanted to make, which was Sims 4 is currently pretty broken. I certainly don't want to reward EA by buying a Sims 5 when they've not even given players the respect of fixing Sims 4.
This is bad sims 4 is a boring game it’s two easy all you have to do is paint to get rich and it needs to have a bigger world and open world and needs to be rebuilt from scratch and needs a economy redesign
Paradox tried to combine Life By You and City Skylines2. I think it was just them trying to cut corners in City Skylines while also hitting new market areas. It make City Skylines2 super buggy from the start :(
I have been thinking about getting the Sims 4 on my steamdeck but have been reluctant cause I hear it has terrible bugs. What do you think. Worth it for me to try? And...I liked this "news" video :)
Thanks for the feedback! I know someone who tried to play Sims 4 on their Steam Deck but the controls made it challenging. If you're able to use a keyboard and mouse, that'll probably feel better. Can't speak to bugs though, personally.
Yes, I tried playing the Sims 4 on my Steam Deck, but the controls are definitely challenging. That reminds me: I really have to get back to playing it on my Mac again.
This sounds like they just want to keep doing broken expansions forever. I don't even care about EA anything anymore.
Quality control is certainly lacking and a point I regret not hitting harder in this video
@@CrossingMinute It's not like EA will listen and they are the ones that need to hear it. I'm just really frustrated with the whole mess and have trouble seeing this as a positive. TBH I have attitude problems when it comes to EA these days anyway. And yet I'm still going to buy the new Dragon Age because I have no sense and apparently am too old to learn new tricks. 😂
@@aeli999 I never experienced a broken expansion, what yall be buying 😅
@standingout34 Dang imagine being able to play the sims and it not almost completely break your computer beyond repair just opening up the EA app before you even get to the game. And I have no expansions, no mods no nothing, and I got it on laptop when it became free.
What is positive about this? The Sims 4 is a glitching and outdated mess, the game is outdated even by 2014 standards.
I guess I'm of the mind that Sims 4 can be fixed, but also that if it can't, Sims 5 won't magically be better.
@@CrossingMinute it won’t be fixed so it’s rather the death of a franchise vs a possible reincarnation in the form of the sims 5. One is dead end, another is hope. Also, they had 10 years!!!
I love The Sims, I grew up on it. But I can say with full heart that it needs to die. Every game series has an ending point and 4 needs to be that ending point.
Sounds like, in a way, you're getting your wish here 😅
Nope it will never die!
They picked the worst installment to do this with
Sims 3 in my opinion was their best version: open worlds, color wheels, great expansion packs. I was really hoping that the Sims 5 would be a wonderful combination of Sims 4 graphics and Sims 3 gameplay style
Naw I think that sims 2 was better just look at the details in sims 2 compared to those in sims 3 and 4. I hoped that sims 5 would have had sims 4 graphics and 2/3 gameplay style
@@pumkin547that’s totally fair! Sims 2 was a great game 😄
@@pumkin547 Nah Sims 3 is way better!!
Sims 2 only have great details but many great features in the Sims 3. Sims 3 is way better. @@pumkin547
Well, that's just great. A never-ending expansion of a 10 year old game. I started losing interest in Sims 3 and for Sims 4, I probably played a month and dropped it. Like you said, they just keep coming out with new versions you have to start over with. Was hoping that Sims 5 would actually be better, not just more of the same. And now that's done.
I would love if Animal Crossing did this. But have some tweaks. 1. make it similar to My Sims (I know, not the best game to play, but it had good ideas) where you can fully design homes and furniture for you villagers based on their personality types. 2. make it where if we want to make several different areas we can take our character and "move" to another area to start over without having to buy a whole new system (while also allowing us to keep our old areas in case we want to go back). 3. allow us to tailor make/move the items to our liking (i.e. if I have a trash can item and I'm doing an abandoned themed whatever, allow me to take that upright trash can and turn it on its side as if the wind knocked it over). 4. give us unlimited custom designs to use (when we are done using the custom design on something give us an option to "store it" for later use and get another design to use). That's a lot there. Sorry.
Crusader kings 3 is already basically the Sims of Paradox. you have 3d characters and a big pile of clothes and now you can even play with a landless character. you can start a family etc + murder etc... and more. but still sad, it's always a shame when a game is canceled that could have been a contender for sims.
With my little sisters we bought all of the Sims 2 DLC and we were really happy. But when we realized we'd have to do it all over again with the Sims 3 we just stopped playing the game. I watch people play it on Twitch and UA-cam but that's about it. I'm not willing to invest that much for one game
SIMS 4 needs to be over and instead doing expansion be over and just fix it for the next year... The 5 if ever happens in the future needs to be an open world....
If anyone thinks they care about the consumers and their save files or purchasing a new game to start over again... I've got a bridge in Manhatten for sale.
They could make the Sims 2 + 3 = Sims 5 game that the MAJORITY of the fanbase has been begging for, for 10 long years. The way I see it is... they are killing off the pc/console part of the franchise (if not the entire thing). I think Grant knew it when he left. They don't want the expense of creating a pc/console simulation game as it's way to involved and expensive. They are going to use the assets already created for TS4 for their new marketing avenues of money grabbing online.. which they have been dying to do for decades now. I have every game and every expansion of every iteration of Sims game for 24 yrs. This is a sad day.
I don't think you're being unfair or anything, but it feels like you're making a lot of assumptions here. Justified ones for sure!
My read on this is that they want to pour more resources into whatever Project Rene is and potentially let Sims 4 coast. IMO this COULD be a good move when you look at how games like Minecraft have had indefinite road maps, but I also respect that this is EA we're talking about and I may be a bit too hopeful that they'll do the right thing. I'm willing to see what happens though!
i'm beyond disappointed...
Eeh, I feel like the new generations of the Sims games brought something new and fresh to game play, that couldn't exist in the previous versions, and that's what made investing in the new games worth it. I can't remember the gap between Sims 1 and 2, but Sims 3 had a bigger more open world than Sims 2 and Sims 4 had a more robust emotion system than Sims 3... at the cost of the open world from Sims 3 haha...
Anyway I was excited to see the new take that Sims 5 would have -- honestly, I was hoping that they would have a more logical emotion system and an open world. But continuing with the Sims 4 is a disappointment to me. I'm getting whiplash at the number of expansions and packs and kits and creator DLC. There's rearranging of the menus to try to organize the bloat. Maybe I'm just old, but I don't like fishing through the slight changes to the UI to find the right dialogue. It makes me feel like playing the game is literally wasting my life.
I wonder how long before they start injecting "locked" objects into the game -- shaded out and when you hover over it, it says "Buy the XYZ expansion to experience this blender" or "Your Neighbor Sim just invited your sim to go bowling. Subscribe to unlock?"
After seeing how good inZOI looks graphically, I can't even look at the Sims anymore.
they're just going to switch to a subscription-based service instead so wringing you dry won't be as obvious, just like adobe with their products. they'll find a way to take away what you've already bought through some sorts of restrictions and other paywalls, and if it's an online experience, i can very easily see it becoming a limitation to one house in the game and having to pay to have access to more, like ESO.
Certainly not an unfair assumption given their track record
I hope they revamp TS4 in that they put the base game and the most important DLC's and make THAT the base game, and in that process, deep clean out as many bugs as they can and update the graphics and enhance interactions. Then I wish Project René comes as both a standalone experience as well as one that can communicate with TS4. Like Happy Home Paradise. I'm ever the optimist though, and the simple fact that we can still rest in the fact that we can keep investing in TS4 is major news to me. But they need to make the existing catalogue more accessible and way more optimized.
I wanted a sims 5 because I need that terrible broken emotion system GONE!!!
real
the sims 4 is not big no matter what you buy for it, it is pretty shallow and boring cash grab. A mess of bugs and issues that can't be fixed with each new update that literally break your game every time.
EA not making the sims 5 is basically killing the whole sims franchise, thanks EA for finally killing the sims. The good thing about it is that someone else will pick up the Sims audience and makes a better game for this audience that used to love the sims 1, 2, 3.
something that could have happen for the sims 5 but now will never happen.
honestly I don't feel bad about it, the sims franchise needs to die. It's about time to end it and move on to new life simulator games that will do a better job.
They could've at least made a robust game before they stop, TS4 looks bad, plays bad and handles bad... To think this is literally the last game we'll be stuck with is just beyond tilting. But EA killed the original studio so i guess we should've seen this coming.
Projet renée looks liké an hd sims version of Habbo hôtel ahah
Sims 4 left me cold and I ditched it early on; cartoony looking Sims, not an open world, among other things. If EA is just going to continue on with Sims 5, then that's the end of the Sims for me. I will focus on Inzoi.
They save money and time with that, once inZOI comes out all other games of this genre will become obsolete anyway.
They're just digging their own grave.
I mean I guess they *could* be? I get the feeling EA could have announced "free kittens for everyone" though and nobody would be happy because it's EA and they've burned us so many times. 😅
Maybe thats why they have a Death pack coming out next month 💀
Sims 4 base game has been broken since launch, though, and so many expansion and game packs have been released so broken they are almost unplayable. I haven't bought a thing for Sims 4 since 2022, and that is because it's just unplayable, and I feel like I'm wasting my money. And that makes me sad, because I've been into the franchise since Sims 2. So, I was actually looking forward to Sims 5, because I was hoping that if they rebuilt the game from the ground up, it might actually be enjoyable again. But sadly, it seems like they've opted, instead, to do a landlord special, where they just keep slapping layer after layer of white paint over a myriad of structural problems, and hoping no one will notice, while they keep raking in the money.
Also, co-op or multiplayer is the last thing I want in the Sims. Maybe I'm the odd one out, here, but it has always been a single-player, solo type enterprise. I'm an introvert. I don't want it.
I just don't think a modern Sims 5 game is going to solve these issue. Sure maybe the bugs that existed in Sims 4 won't be there, but that doesn't mean it's somehow going to be bug-free, you know what I mean? It's the same teams and leadership running the org over there.
@@CrossingMinute yeah. You’re probably right. They should just throw in the towel on the whole franchise at this point. I’m just sad about it.
(Sims 3 and all its DLC cost 399.8€ ) VS (Sims 4 and all its DLC cost 1,324.17€ ) how much more do you want to pay for one game and its "Additional Content"?.
i need a graphics update
With The Sims 5 cancelled EA needs to hire EA Creators to overhaul all the townies and renovate all the lots in Willow Creek and Oasis Springs and many of the household/lots from the older expansion/game packs. Build mode has gone through way too many updates (pools, advanced terrain, platforms, curved wall/pools) for all of the older worlds to not be updated.
They need to hire the modders to fix their broken mess too. lol
They cannot fix which is ultimately broken in fundamentals. They should remake the whole game and try to use a different business model to not milk players and actually respect your time when you purchase a game and expansios.
This game just needs to expire already. It’s cooked.
@@JazzyJeff910 It's rotten, burnt and taste like plastic.
+1
I’m not mad by this, however, I would appreciate them fixing the game if they are going to keep expanding it.
That needs to happen 1000%
Paralives is my only hope
The Sims 4 is so bad that I don't even have a desire to play the game with every dlc that I pirated
Lol well this is part of the reason I want the competition to thrive
it's good news if you like the sims 4, but I know many people really dislike sims 4 and would rather just have a new game
My only fear there is that if people don't like the sims 4, I'm not sure how a Sims 5 fixes the problem? It'll be coming from the same company and the same leadership. I do hope Sims 4 can see some solid fixes now that we understand the direction EA is heading. 🤞
@@CrossingMinute As far as i understand it, most people just want a Sims 3 like experience but with better graphics and Sims 4 is way too buggy and just coded badly enough for the open world nature of the game to be extremely hard (if not impossible) to realise.
@@CrossingMinute A new game only could make it better if they are using new techs and actually focusing on making a game what many people liked about the franchise as a whole. I personally not like the Sims 4 because it is a downgrade from the Sims 3 and they cut a lot of ideas and went back to the early times of Sims with limited lot and stuff. I can however say they have innovations in the game but the pros are less than the cons and the very best would have been they are making a feature and simulation free game with new physics based engine for the Sims 5. This alone could be a good move but the focus on this franchise was always the reusability and resellability. EA will make millions of expansions to actually have a whole complete game and this business model is disgusting.
For the Sims 4 they should remake the whole code of the game to be less broken. This game is fundamentally broken and with the added expansions the signs shows more often and they are going to patch patch patch with no effort. The problem is during the time 10 year since this game was released a lot of people who contributed to the game left, new people came but they do no have talent or passion to make something real changes. This is the worst scenario but in my opinion they have enough talent to work but they are not able to do because of orders.
@@thepool5783 More or less as you said. The Sims 3 was semi open world, have a nice "world builder" also you can create themes, styles and overall improve your experience without purchasing items to the game. The only issue is the interactions, high performance needs due optimization (that time the pcs were weaker), needs a real physics based engine and better moddability. The Sims 2-3 were the best in the franchise with the improvements they added.
This is in no ways good news, sorry. They're choosing to shelve the future of their mainline single-player series for something that's going to see nothing but microtransactions. Project Rene is nothing but red flags. Another instance of game devs forgoing one-time purchase model for something that will effectively be a subscription-model (even more than they were doing it with expansions). I fear the Sims players will give it a chance and fall for it because it has a lot of casual gamers that don't have experience with what it means to move a game from a one-time purchase into a subscription/microtransaction model. Long and short of it: You spend 100x times what you would have paid if you don't want your experience to be completely neutered.
I commend the optimism of people who think Sims 4 will keep releasing expansion packs if Rene does even moderately well. They'll shove it to the side as soon as they can, because they'll want to reel more players into Rene.
Yeah it would be interesting to see if they just straight ended support for Sims 4 after a bit. No matter, two hopefully strong competitors about to enter the arena
Sims 3 was a massive disappointment to me. I was beyond excited. The peak was Sims 2. I loved that game
This hurts
Hopefully you made it all the way through the video because I honestly see this as good news rather than bad 😅
@@CrossingMinute yeah but I wanted it to be available like yesterday 😂
Knowing EA, the current studio will be shut down by the end of the week. XD
Wasn't Sims 4 meant to be an online game before it was forced to be like previous instalments? I'd argue a Sims 5 would've give them the breathing room to design a Sims game that's future proofed for this current plan they've got, that isn't built on spaghetti code (Probably why half the packs they add have bugs/glitches or just straight up don't work).
And this is EA we're talking about, they'll find many, many other ways to monetize it and I doubt it'll be player friendly. And I will be honest and say I only own one or two packs that were discounted at the time, I can't justify the price of the packs when the base game is bare bones. And needing DLC for already established DLC is just ridiculous.
At least with the older games when you bought the expansion pack, that was yours forever. You could reinstall it as many times as needed, even share with it friends. I'd sooner recommend people hunt down the older games and their expansion packs, then burning all their money on the Sims 4.
Tbh this game needs to die off. It shouldn’t have lasted this long. Fans overlook the very basic things in gaming now a days. I stopped playing this game after 3 months in and majority of the packs and expansions purchased. The problems were too obvious to overlook. The joke is no longer on EA if you’re still supporting this game…
I think if inZOI and Paralives release and are hits, then Sims can and will die off. Sims 5 though IMO was never going to be the solution to the problems Sims 4 has had.
the Greed of EA is never ending. now they are going to milk the Sims 4 to completion and then go back on their word. The Sims 5 is still coming, that's for sure. but only after they've milked Sims 4 to the end.
Honestly I can see them doing this
They've made it clear that they're going to monetize Rene with packs as it's a free to play game. If you watch the behind the Sims videos where they're talking about Rene it also sounds like they're going to take themes and split them up even more then the Sims 4 currently does now. So rain in the base game, snow in one pack, fall in another. So for players who dislike the Sims 4 and choose to move onto Rene will have to start again anyway. EA does not care about the players so don't be fooled by this now. The excuse being used to not make the Sims 5 is literally complete rubbish. It's about making even more money.
Well this is why I'm hopeful these competing games can come in and correct the market for life sim fans
So, in a nutshell, inzoi happened
Please EA, fix the damn gardening issue. Tired of growing plants to Perfect status and then having them revert to dirt piles. I don't play with any mods. This has been a bug forever.
They need to FIX the Sims 4. I love the Sims but most of their packs have bugs. They’ve started addressing some of them but can’t they just make them work before they take our money?
It looks like they are just in really really tiny bits. They have gradually been adding swatches and very minute bugfixes/QOL updates but they really need to take a long break from making packs and fully fixing the bugs in the game and packs that already exist. We dont need 70 new packs we want our existing packs that we paid for TO WORK
@@emmer0exactly. When everyone says ‘what bugs will be in this one’ at every new release, at some point you think they’d go ‘ohhh, maybe we should fix it first’
Actually, that's not a bad thing that The Sims 5 got canned. I have no trust in EA whatsoever. They never fixed The Sims 4, so I like to consider that as comeuppance for EA.
Sorry I disagree. The foundation of 4 is so damaged - shaky at best. Every update breaks the game down, how much longer can that feasibly continue?
I regret not hitting this point in my video, but Sims 4 has issues and my hope is that they're addressed properly. If the plan was to never fix Sims 4, then why would I want to reward them by buying Sims 5, which will likely also end up being its own broken mess?
I don't know if it is fixable at this point, they ignored bugs for 10 years, it all has to be fixed in order to keep the game stable and they also have to test, test and test any future updates to the game. I have heard that they are rebuilding the entire framework so if they're going to do that, why not just make the next installment and include all of the content we have now in the next base game. E.g. pets and seasons. I don't understand it at all. I really miss the old Sims games 😭
You may be dead right but I still don't think Sims 5 would have been bug free given their track record lately.
End of the day, I'm way more hopeful about the potential competition coming out within the life sim space than I am about any Sims news if I'm being honest.
The only thing I'd like to see is Sims 2 remake. Sims 2 was the best. Sims 3 was also great, just the graphics were ugly. But Sims 4 have been a disaster. I somehow don't have fun playing this game at all. If they made Sims 5, I dont think they should add new stuff - they should take what was best in the previous games and put it together to finally make a good product.
Oh well. I’m waiting for inZOI anyway, so I’m not hurt by this news.
i understand people being frustrated but a lot of people still play the sims and mods make it super fun demanding they end it cause yall dont play anymore is wild let those that enjoy it still have fun and play yall can just play something else
Wow I would of LOVED THIS when I bought the game long ago before I knew it was free on steam. The small DLC packs are not worth 100+ with how little there is when half the time the MODDING community has been keeping this game alive. If this means me having the old sims 3 disks from the past for sims 4 (but have lost them from time.) I'd be meh about it. Once they fix the crazy small 100$ plus for such TINY packs and instead maybe put packs with LOTS of content to be WORTH their price. I can ignore my wishes for the ghosts to be the same too even if I wish they where more creepier/interestingly designed.
I started playing the Sims way back when Sims 3 was still the big new thing. I’ve followed Sims 4 since release, too. It’s been incredibly disappointing watching the steep decline into overpriced, buggy DLC, and a huge lack of care and effort from EA. I can only hope that this news comes with new hope, a potential release with heart poured into it, ironed of all the bugs and cheapskate nonsense. I grew up with the Sims and have loved the IP for years, I can only wish EA goes with the good ending and bounces back from the current state of things
Lets be honest here. The people who dislike the sims 4 aren't going to be happy with a new iteration of the series. With the release of inzoi and Paralives, they can finally get something else in the genre and I'm happy for them. For the love of god, please move on please. Yet, if there was a sims 5 that was made - I'm pretty sure it won't fix anything. Like we know we are going to get the same DLC for the sims 5 at the same price tag of the sims 4 DLC. I'm pretty sure that if a sims 5 was made that the base game would probably be lackluster and EA would want to monetize DLC. Again, we will literally have the same problems reappear like in the sims 4 so why does it matter if we get a new sims game or not?
I’m still looking forward to Paralives! That could be good.
Nah LBY was far from done, they were still using free Unity assets for the characters until their cancellation
Just tried to get my friend into the sims and having her play Sims 4 made me realize just how congested the game is now with all the packs and updates. Like every five seconds I would say “ignore that pop up.” “Don’t worry about that”. “Not important”
Not to say I want less of an experience, but I think the let’s add more and more and more can at some point just become a cluster cluck.
Like oh there is a festival and also a neighborhood action plan, oh and prom, also here is a follow your sim to work, and a holiday, someone coming to stay, and even though you got married 5 days ago would you like to ask your neighbor that you just met to be your ring bearer.
I feel this actually. It can be very overwhelming even as someone who's played a good bit of the game.
I can’t be the only one that thinks Inzoi is way too ambitious and will never happen. And honestly, I don’t really care because I think the character models are creepy.
I've had this thought as well
. All I want is for them to give me on the switch sims busting out and urbz . That’s all I want.
I don’t really think this is positive news, I want new stuff not the same old sims 4
More quick takes please! Love your perspective. I pretty much completely agree.
Honestly? I’m here for any and all kinds of videos you make! You’re one of very few creators I can actually focus on listening to, so anything you wanna talk about - I’m here for it lol
I appreciate that!
You kinda dont have to buy all the dlc again if they make sims 5. Toooo tha seas you go
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@@CrossingMinute ☠️
I love these informative videos.. I am a new gamer who appreciates when these type of videos go out explaining how things are/were done. Thanks Dan!
My issue with this is that I do not, for one second, trust EA to actually have the interest of their customers at heart, and that makes me deeply cynical of the direction of the Sims. Project Renee reeks of forcing always-online play onto the players. They’ve already carved the game up so much and charge so much for the DLC that it’s already exhausting to try keep up with them. It’s about what I’d expect for a company like EA who have done such atrocious things to their workers and bleeding their customers dry.
Oh well. Yo ho ho for me.
This is great news to be sure, a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Now if EA could go the extra step further and realized that this is also a 10 year old game, and make drastic heavy cuts to the cost of almost equally aged DLC because after 10 years there is no reason why a full sims experience should cost you Base game+$1,235. looking at some of the costs of certain DLC's EA could easily make hand over foot more income from this game than they are currently making even if they were to cut the total cost by 3/4, especially considering they're intending to add new DLC to sims 4 indefinitely, which is now going to drive veteran players and new player alike back to the sims 4 franchise.
I like these video’s! 👍🏻 Would love to see you play The Sims 4 as well.
So... today is my birthday and I'm spending it so far literally arguing with my husband about this. First of all, I've never played any of these mentioned games. He has. He's saying this video is a lie. I said you're very clearly not dishonest and your speaking on what you see and what's been brought to your attention. He says, the page for Paralives is still there. "You can even still donate money to their Patreon". That there are still videos and his search with sims shows nothing has been taken down. He's driving me bonkers so I said I would say something here. I went to the Paralives page also, it's fulla stuff but I didn't click on anything because I've not played any of it but will say on my end, it's not a blank page. So none of us understands what is going on but I didn't like him saying this is a lying video.
Not sure if I misspoke in a moment of this video, but it's LIFE BY YOU that removed their videos and *Life by You* was the game that was canceled. NOT Paralives. Paralives was announced several years ago and I only expressed skepticism that it's actually releasing in 2025. I was ribbing them for how long development was taking, basically.
Anyway, it's possible when I was recording I slipped up and *said* "Paralives" when I meant "Life by You" (too lazy to check right now) but I know I had the UA-cam channel of Life by You pulled up in that section of the video soooo. 🤷♂️
Some companies are run by dum people paradox could have pushed through and actually became competion but humd are too stupid to invest in the future they can only see short term gaijs or loses. If inzoi can get it together the sims is done
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@@CrossingMinute lol yup
the difference between Paradox players and EA players is that pradox players don't Praise DLC they don't like, on the contrary, they often complain when pareadox has made a mistake or released something bad. when EA releases a new addon for sims4 its players celebrate even if it breaks the game or even if it just adds a few things to the game.
Honestly in terms of the generative ai tool in inzoi it’s a COMPLETELY optional tool that you can simply opt out of using and use the image upload tool instead. And it’s not the main focus of the game. Other than that the game looks truly promising. I think EA is giving excuses at this point and just wanna milk sims 4 dry. Changing between sims games has NEVER been an issue but EA SUDDENLY cares about the time and money we put into it? I sincerely would just prefer to move on to games like paralives and inzoi at this point. Where the foundations of the games have features that EA would through in game packs.
Interesting takes here for sure, thanks for sharing!
I'm still heavily interested in both Paralives and InZOI, to be clear. I am trying to remain hopeful about the future of the Sims though. 😁
So you're the victim of kama? You say that you don't want something and then when you don't get it that's a problem?
Not super sure what you're saying here, but to basically sum up my thoughts... I'd rather EA fix and then improve Sims 4, rather than starting back from 0 and trying to re-sell everyone the same exact expansion packs they've been re-hashing for years.
I might actually get back into playing Sims 4 knowing that I can keep my progress.
I always like hearing your take on gaming. Keep'em coming!
I still feel like they’ll find a way to try and nickel and dime us again BUT I’m excited we don’t have to start over. 😅
It's really cancelled??
It's more like they're just diverting their attention to different Sims projects
Wow!! I may actually try Sims now. Good job EA!
yes! more of this content
You are talking in 2 tongues, which is it? Its like you are trying to cover up for them, but at the same time you are complaining?
I didn't hit this point hard enough, but Sims 4 needs more attention now that it's not going to get a proper sequel. IF they invest in fixing and upgrading Sims 4, then this is great news. If they're just going to release more garbage and never address player concerns, then we need Paralives and inZOI to swoop in and correct the market.
Honestly Paralives and inZOI will do that either way haha. But yeah, that's my big regret with this video. I had a lot to say and missed a point I wanted to make, which was Sims 4 is currently pretty broken. I certainly don't want to reward EA by buying a Sims 5 when they've not even given players the respect of fixing Sims 4.
This is bad sims 4 is a boring game it’s two easy all you have to do is paint to get rich and it needs to have a bigger world and open world and needs to be rebuilt from scratch and needs a economy redesign
I'll give you that... Painting pays better than any early game job
Paradox tried to combine Life By You and City Skylines2. I think it was just them trying to cut corners in City Skylines while also hitting new market areas. It make City Skylines2 super buggy from the start :(
Thanks for the news and insight! :)
I have been thinking about getting the Sims 4 on my steamdeck but have been reluctant cause I hear it has terrible bugs. What do you think. Worth it for me to try? And...I liked this "news" video :)
Thanks for the feedback!
I know someone who tried to play Sims 4 on their Steam Deck but the controls made it challenging. If you're able to use a keyboard and mouse, that'll probably feel better. Can't speak to bugs though, personally.
@@CrossingMinute Thanks. I do have a laptop so could try it on that.
Yes, I tried playing the Sims 4 on my Steam Deck, but the controls are definitely challenging. That reminds me: I really have to get back to playing it on my Mac again.
Ugh..how about open worlds and a functional foundation. Sims 4 is a broken product and inferior to previous releases.
Fair point!