The Most Controversial Mr. Olympia ever

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    The Most Controversial Olympia Ever.

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  • @sanatpai1086
    @sanatpai1086 Рік тому +407

    Wish Mike Mentzer lived longer to share the ton of knowledge he had.

    • @tomkruze2749
      @tomkruze2749 Рік тому +8

      There is a Ton of articles written by Mentzer. His knowledge was shared. He coached clients for like 20+ years
      “Heavy Duty” is his training principles

    • @whofookncares2149
      @whofookncares2149 Рік тому

      Knowledge of fucking what exactly? Picking something up and putting it down in the same fucking place?

    • @franbelta1533
      @franbelta1533 Рік тому

      @@whofookncares2149neck beard

    • @brandonwalker6781
      @brandonwalker6781 11 місяців тому +5

      Literally all he did after bodybuilding was write books and give lectures about his training methods. It's not hard to find literature on his methods

  • @eliasujashvili7113
    @eliasujashvili7113 Рік тому +67

    Uncrowned MR Olympia Mike Mentzer

  • @cubencis
    @cubencis Рік тому +1069

    Mike Mentzer was for sure robbed

    • @jimmysapien9961
      @jimmysapien9961 Рік тому +7

      That’s why he Quit Competition 🤔

    • @themalaailaanaa1347
      @themalaailaanaa1347 Рік тому +7

      Mike had zero back

    • @mywingsareyours
      @mywingsareyours Рік тому +9

      He wouldn't have won even if Schwarzenegger wasn't there lmao

    • @guadrencho
      @guadrencho Рік тому +3

      ​@@mywingsareyoursliterally look the footage, the only real cometitor he had was zane, and his condition was spectacular, he was super lean and striations in all his body

    • @PaulMichaelLevesque69
      @PaulMichaelLevesque69 Рік тому

      Nope...
      Without Arnold he was still place out of top 3.

  • @stormcloud3009
    @stormcloud3009 Рік тому +101

    Mike mentzer is the classic physique, he’s so full looking I prefer him way more than Arnold

    • @Andremetheartist
      @Andremetheartist Рік тому +2

      Haha if you're into a bubble gut 😂😂

    • @stormcloud3009
      @stormcloud3009 11 місяців тому +4

      @@Andremetheartist keep your delusion bro, mentzer didnt have one, arnold made that up to mess with him

    • @Andremetheartist
      @Andremetheartist 11 місяців тому +1

      @@stormcloud3009 The dude placed where in 1980? Delusion is thinking that he was in the argument to challenge the actual top 3, and straight up fantasy is thinking he was supposed to win 🤣🤣
      Edit: We won't talk about how he cited a grossly manipulated study and had to retract it later on realizing how he was relying on sad attempts to support his training methods 🤣

    • @punnygod6287
      @punnygod6287 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Andremetheartistdon't talk if you don't know what you're talking about

    • @Andremetheartist
      @Andremetheartist 10 місяців тому

      @@punnygod6287 So your logic is that instead of Mentzer just not being good enough, the entire Mr Olympia was rigged against him specifically... and I dont know what Im talking about? If you have a brain, you'll know that no company would dare risk such controversy. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th place were also better than Mentzer, and its been proven, Mentzer literally had an distended gut that year in the era where bubble guts weren't even a trend. So maybe take your own advice and go educate yourself on bodybuilding before you reply on things you clearly know nothing about.

  • @mateoclaure6237
    @mateoclaure6237 Рік тому +41

    Mike Mentzer is probably the most deserving uncrowned Mr. Olympia

  • @OkieAllDay
    @OkieAllDay Рік тому +165

    “Some guys have all the luck” - Rod Stewart

    • @juancorona3893
      @juancorona3893 3 місяці тому

      - that one fish from SpongeBob born with glsss bones and paper skin

  • @nipunpalav6974
    @nipunpalav6974 Рік тому +10

    Mike just the best bodybuilder. of all time

  • @ronaldmccutcheon1329
    @ronaldmccutcheon1329 Рік тому +12

    The year Arnold came back and was GIVEN the title.

  • @danzilmack9325
    @danzilmack9325 Рік тому +373

    Arnold's genetics got him through,because he looks wider and taller,and bigger. His legs were lagging, and a few parts,but people love his overall physique. I don't know.

    • @kyanblevins3431
      @kyanblevins3431 Рік тому +12

      Tbh his chest was to which is bad considering his chest is literally what made him

    • @josephohrablo4866
      @josephohrablo4866 Рік тому +28

      Legs lagging ? That’s extremely nice way to put it . He looked like he just started to walk again after being in a wheelchair for 10 years

    • @Fabian-jg2lc
      @Fabian-jg2lc Рік тому +5

      His back was also not nearly so good like the other.

    • @svc2461
      @svc2461 Рік тому +3

      Genetics? oh you mean the injections?

    • @danzilmack9325
      @danzilmack9325 Рік тому +3

      @@svc2461 Ok the genetics and injections😅 I must say his genetics are what got him through too. You gotta have the genes first

  • @man-qz8ki
    @man-qz8ki Рік тому +22

    Mike, GOAT.

  • @AurensYT
    @AurensYT Рік тому +68

    Mike Mentzer>>>>>>>>>

  • @zingger896
    @zingger896 Рік тому +8

    It's a shame mentzer let them ruin him.

    • @MikeJohnMentzer
      @MikeJohnMentzer Рік тому +1

      Nope, he just left them and didn't come back to a contest that's judged by Arnold's friends

  • @shaneilogo2100
    @shaneilogo2100 Рік тому +5

    1981 was very controversial too. They let Arnold's best friend win.

  • @Hambone3773
    @Hambone3773 Рік тому +264

    Arnold still had a massive chest, peaky biceps, wider than most lats and monster calves. Those things automatically put him in the top 3.

    • @erikberry6408
      @erikberry6408 Рік тому +37

      Legs and shoulders sucked

    • @BurgundySorcerer
      @BurgundySorcerer Рік тому +28

      His conditioning was crap in comparison to many other competitors

    • @aylencadavieco8322
      @aylencadavieco8322 Рік тому +1

      Keep in mind he came back after 5 years and obtained that physique in a short amount of time.

    • @raindoset5408
      @raindoset5408 Рік тому +7

      @@erikberry6408 and the abs too. Mike had 6pack while arnold only had 4

    • @raindoset5408
      @raindoset5408 Рік тому +5

      @@aylencadavieco8322 that doesn't matter,in competition they want to judge who are bigger, conditioned and how they look not the time it take to get that look. You can have someone who worked for so long around 10 years and he looked phenomenal, and then you have someone who worked in a short period of time(like 5 years) to get 3/4 of what the guy who did 10 years got,but that doesn't make the guy that got it in shorter time the winner. Of course,if the guy worked as long as the first guy,he could be better,but he didnt.

  • @TorontoFighter
    @TorontoFighter Рік тому +6

    Conflict of interest for sure.

  • @doddood5516
    @doddood5516 Рік тому +4

    Mike looks like he has waaaay more definition in this show

  • @henrycarter9095
    @henrycarter9095 Рік тому +11

    1981 may have been more controversial

  • @josephohrablo4866
    @josephohrablo4866 Рік тому +68

    Arnold’s legs were mind boggling skinny in 1980. Just pathetically thin and tiny . During prejudging he was holding tons of water too . He should have been 4th or 5th

    • @henriquegarcia6734
      @henriquegarcia6734 Рік тому +1

      Discordo. Arnold tinha ótimas panturrilhas, umas das maiores da era.

    • @nooftaheri3502
      @nooftaheri3502 Рік тому

      @@henriquegarcia6734 not in 80'

    • @eliezerramosjr1017
      @eliezerramosjr1017 Рік тому

      Not that’s a fair judgement and his calf were the best that’s a joke along with his acting. Now legs and body should’ve definitely been Lou Ferrigno.

  • @JayasuryaYadavOfficial
    @JayasuryaYadavOfficial Рік тому +8

    People would shut their mouth, if Arnold didn't quit after 1975, excluding 1980, he could have been 10x Mr Olympia....

  • @england8331
    @england8331 Рік тому +66

    Yates beating Sonbaty in 1997 was also brutal

    • @yourstruly2337
      @yourstruly2337 Рік тому +11

      Sonbaty couldve eaten Yates for breakfast that year. Thats how good he looked. But it's all about politics. Comes down to - who will promote us better and make us more money vs who truly deserves to win. All about money.

    • @robertprince2651
      @robertprince2651 Рік тому +6

      Nasser was complete that year, and Dorian was run-down physically.

    • @jessem_i31
      @jessem_i31 Рік тому +6

      One of the biggest, if not the biggest robbery in Mr. Olympia history. Nasser looked so much better than Dorian that year...it wasn't even close.

    • @jimmysapien9961
      @jimmysapien9961 Рік тому +2

      @@jessem_i31 I Remember . Robbed and Pissed
      Same as Mike was about Arnold Winning

    • @mattuw82
      @mattuw82 Рік тому +2

      Sonbaty is my all time favorite bodybuilder. I think Sonbaty at the Olympia in 1997 might be the best any bodybuilder has ever looked on stage in history. That could easily beat any modern Olympia winner.

  • @TheChamb
    @TheChamb Рік тому +3

    Mike Mentzer deserved the tittle

  • @luizfigobr
    @luizfigobr Рік тому +6

    Zane had definition, but Arnold was bigger. I still believe Arnold deserved it. He had a better package.

    • @MikeJohnMentzer
      @MikeJohnMentzer Рік тому

      You don't win Mr.O by being Bigger if you didn't know

  • @BrimsHL
    @BrimsHL Рік тому +72

    I've seen all comparison photos between Arnold and the rest of the competitors and Arnold definitely deserved to win. Arnold was not at his best but even at his worst he's better than those other guys. Some of them are legends don't get me wrong, but against Arnold...

    • @jeffkrantz9916
      @jeffkrantz9916 Рік тому +7

      Very well stated!!! 👏 👍🤠💯🔥
      I was just getting ready to post basically this same sentiment.

    • @BrimsHL
      @BrimsHL Рік тому +8

      @@jeffkrantz9916 Thanks. There is no controversy because even though Arnold jumped into the competition the last minute. He still deserved to win.

    • @jeffkrantz9916
      @jeffkrantz9916 Рік тому +1

      @@BrimsHL 👍🤠💯

    • @bulltrack2843
      @bulltrack2843 Рік тому +4

      On the uper body arnold was the clear winner but his legs were crap, that is why people say it is one of the most controversial olympias

    • @misterman6369
      @misterman6369 Рік тому

      nah. his back was flat

  • @leccy9901
    @leccy9901 Рік тому +3

    I'd say 81 was even worse. Franco had gyno, and was no where near good enough for the Win, but they gave it to him anyway.

    • @retrobilly1719
      @retrobilly1719 Рік тому +1

      Plus badly injured leg from his World Strongest Man accident,He did not look Good

  • @hermeshaustin6982
    @hermeshaustin6982 Рік тому +2

    Arnold's win was absolutely rigged & embarrassing for the sport!

  • @Biohackthefat
    @Biohackthefat Рік тому +4

    Mentzer 100 percent owned Arnold and should of got the Title easily! RIP Mike

  • @stackupbreachclear4679
    @stackupbreachclear4679 Рік тому +14

    If he had been the reigning champ, I’d say you’d have to seriously prove you have the superior aesthetic to overthrow. But Zane won it in 79 & Arnold didn’t quite stack up to his competition

  • @awakeningtovacuity8372
    @awakeningtovacuity8372 Рік тому +248

    Arnold absolutely looked at his worst, but he still looked better than everyone else.

    • @DonaldSeymourjr
      @DonaldSeymourjr Рік тому +30

      Nope, Frank out did him.

    • @josephohrablo4866
      @josephohrablo4866 Рік тому +64

      Arnold will go down in history as the Mr Olympia with the smallest out of proportion legs of all time because of 1980. Him winning was a joke

    • @krackerwithac375
      @krackerwithac375 Рік тому +15

      @@josephohrablo4866 I don't think he will. He's known as an absolute legend. I doubt that's gonna change any time soon because of a show he won

    • @eliezerramosjr1017
      @eliezerramosjr1017 Рік тому +1

      @@josephohrablo4866 I agree he was good but not great so then praising him as he was was definitely a joke.

    • @awakeningtovacuity8372
      @awakeningtovacuity8372 Рік тому +1

      @@DonaldSeymourjr I have to concede that Frank looked great, and he's actually one of my all time favorites, but he wasn't good enough to beat Arnold.

  • @ritzviews4113
    @ritzviews4113 Рік тому +3

    Looking at them line up, he automatically looked the most awesome, easily for the eye, without looking at their faces also

  • @tomchishko62
    @tomchishko62 Рік тому +8

    Mentzer looked like massive perfection,

  • @randomprojectsusa5196
    @randomprojectsusa5196 Рік тому +3

    I agree with the one guy who mentions Arnie’s genetics

  • @VarunKumar-en5js
    @VarunKumar-en5js Рік тому +2

    100% not deserve

  • @amarkshirsagar2509
    @amarkshirsagar2509 11 місяців тому +1

    Mike deserves the first Rank.

  • @codefuntime3129
    @codefuntime3129 Рік тому +1

    arnold should be ashame of himself doing it

  • @BobB-zy6vi
    @BobB-zy6vi 11 місяців тому +2

    Arnold should have placed 5th....at best

  • @chadchadiel2344
    @chadchadiel2344 Рік тому +24

    Even in when he was off, Arnold is still winning in most of these photos so you can definitely argue it was a deserved win. For me, 1981 was a much more blatant example of favoritism by the judges.

  • @jimbojones6169
    @jimbojones6169 Рік тому +2

    Yes, he did enough to win. No, not at his best. 71, 73 and 74 Arnold’s my fav.

  • @imitatorofJesusChrist
    @imitatorofJesusChrist 9 місяців тому +3

    Arnold looked like crap compared to Mike.

  • @tomkruze2749
    @tomkruze2749 Рік тому +1

    Arnold was the biggest name in BB. His victory was good for and even Needed for the benefit of the Spot. If Mentzer kept his mouth shut the title was his in 1981….

  • @Wakeup-ff2qs
    @Wakeup-ff2qs 10 місяців тому +1

    Arnold had judges in his pocket, and because of this, people who deserved Mr. Olympia didn't got it. L Arnold

  • @Ticonderous1
    @Ticonderous1 Рік тому +2

    I live in Australia , and once about 15 yrs ago saw Roger walker and was lucky enough to speak to him about the 80 Olympia.. He was still salty about it then, But would not say too much , he just said what do you think about it ...

  • @triggerwarning9725
    @triggerwarning9725 Рік тому +1

    Wouldn't anyone be mad in this situation, Mentzer had him beat in every category as did a few other guys..

  • @canotajman
    @canotajman Рік тому +2

    Mentzer looked way better all around. Arnold had some strong points. Mainly chest and biceps but that's it. He looked strangely skinny from the back. 5th place is what he deserved.

  • @matthewstewart5008
    @matthewstewart5008 Рік тому +3

    Sad that Metzner never really recovered from the loss… mentally I think he was forever bitter

  • @codefuntime3129
    @codefuntime3129 Рік тому +13

    bro mike got the perfect score card but politics said nahh

  • @peterwroberts4379
    @peterwroberts4379 Рік тому +15

    Arnold set back bodybuilding 10 years with this and Franco’s win that’s why mike was pissed off it ruined the sport when it was going mainstream

  • @laurieboy3353
    @laurieboy3353 Рік тому +1

    Mike should have won it's not even up for discussion.

  • @f13killerhocks94
    @f13killerhocks94 Рік тому +13

    I thought he looked great! His delts made the difference for me. His side delts were always lacking my opinion. But in 1980 his shoulders were finally standing out. I think that’s what helped him win.

  • @Jesus-iz2my
    @Jesus-iz2my Рік тому +1

    This was Arnold's worth shape ever.

  • @Karlsberg8888
    @Karlsberg8888 Рік тому +1

    Mike Mentzer is a hero as is Zane and whilst many will be bitter at the outcome, Mike and Frank mostly, I’d say Arnold looked great in 1980 and had it all even if he was only 90% his best. He deserved it. Huge, delts, chest , back and arms. His calfs were excellent too. May not have been quite as ripped as Mentzer but Mike had one weaker delt which was obvious and also had a bloated stomach, not a good look. There is no way Mike Mentzer looked better, no way.

  • @angelureta9152
    @angelureta9152 Рік тому +2

    Mentzer deserved it arnold came in with no legs

  • @bobjohnson5557
    @bobjohnson5557 Рік тому +26

    Arnold definitely had the least impressive physique from all his appearances.

  • @jasondouglas152
    @jasondouglas152 Рік тому

    even if it wasn't fixed, every judge was going to give Arnold a perfect score.

  • @michealgreforcyk3095
    @michealgreforcyk3095 Рік тому +1

    Arnold should have been in 3rd place but I'm happy he came in first place

  • @ivanriverajr5012
    @ivanriverajr5012 Рік тому +1

    Actually the most controversial Mr.O was 1981! Padilla should have won. Over franco gyno, no separation in leg department.

  • @JohnSmith-zw6tr
    @JohnSmith-zw6tr 6 місяців тому +2

    Nope, it was obviously rigged. Almost everyone looked better in every way than he did.
    Arnold knew everyone, and was personal friends with ALL the judges and the owner, Joe Weider.
    It’s no accident the fundamentally revamped the scoring and judging process by 81.
    By 81 standards, Arnold wouldn’t have been in the top 5.
    Arnold had the best Physique OF ALL TIME in 1975 , though.

  • @freedomfinalfrontier5878
    @freedomfinalfrontier5878 Рік тому +1

    Arnold had the name Mentzer had the physique definitely robbed

  • @scottmills4164
    @scottmills4164 Рік тому +14

    Looks like a beast to me. idk that much about all this, but he looks a lot bigger in a lot if areas.

  • @pujaram6151
    @pujaram6151 18 днів тому +1

    Arnold with Arnold mo Arnold

  • @mendagy
    @mendagy Рік тому +1

    Arnold's genetics were absolutely incredible - he could beat almost anyone even on a bad day.
    But it certainly seems like the powers that be arranged the win.

  • @jpmixtape7803
    @jpmixtape7803 Рік тому +1

    He is Arnold and nothing else.

  • @shanepettit6872
    @shanepettit6872 Рік тому +1

    Did you see Mentzers back? Arnold couldn’t have stood a chance!

  • @The_Honcho
    @The_Honcho Рік тому +1

    Mentzer should have been 1st or 2nd easy, it’s not like it’s unnoticeable either

  • @planecobra5007
    @planecobra5007 Рік тому +17

    Arnold was good yes...but I agree he did look off and he probably wasn't honored by this win

  • @VC10899
    @VC10899 Рік тому +1

    I dunno. I think Zane was the only one who truly looked better

  • @ckgoh
    @ckgoh Рік тому +5

    Clearly Mike was robbed😢

  • @Email.comGiovannibramblia26889

    The golden Era of bodybuilding:

  • @edwinmeza4085
    @edwinmeza4085 Рік тому +1

    No, Mike should’ve won I saw a highlight of the Olympia 80’ and Arnold should’ve been humbled imo

  • @baxia6254
    @baxia6254 10 місяців тому +1

    Rest in peace Mike...Arnold may have robbed Mr Olympia title from you but rest assure because even if you've gone we all know you are the true winner instead of Arnold

  • @giovanniciccone1323
    @giovanniciccone1323 Рік тому +1

    Mike really did look better imo

  • @wayneh1562
    @wayneh1562 Рік тому

    Arnold for me when I see old pictures.

  • @thor23xxl
    @thor23xxl Рік тому +1

    Looking at the pics I think other guys look better like Mike Menster. You can see even on those times there were politics also.

  • @LiverAndOnions69
    @LiverAndOnions69 Рік тому

    Depends on what they are judging on. Width , cut , height, style, look or whatever. Arnold looks like Hercules.

  • @scalywing1
    @scalywing1 Рік тому +1

    There is a documentary of this competition available on UA-cam. It is called The Comeback.
    It is worth noting that Arnold had been training for a film, I believe “Conan The Barbarian,” when he decided to enter this competition. So it isn’t like he just dropped in out of nowhere.

    • @ZedzDed311
      @ZedzDed311 Рік тому

      Hollyweird strikes again

    • @AveSicarius
      @AveSicarius Рік тому

      It's more that he didn't announce he was competing and basically just turned up out of the blue in the eyes of the other competitor's. He clearly did that intentionally because he loved mind games, but it was still an extremely douchy move and it was not ok for the organization itself to allow it.
      Also his training for the film would have been quite different than it was for actual competition. For filming days he'd have to he functional and capable of doing the action choreography etc, if he went all in on training and cutting like the other competitor's, he'd absolutely not have been capable of shooting that film during the period preparing for the contest. That's why his legs and overall proportion were lagging behind the competition.

  • @davidmcgregor9024
    @davidmcgregor9024 Рік тому

    After winning it he told Mentzer to, Stick around lol

  • @aquagenesph173
    @aquagenesph173 Рік тому +2

    he knows how to pose compared to other competitors you should watch the documentary

  • @CaptainSaveHoe
    @CaptainSaveHoe Рік тому

    charisma won that show, character is in a way also pay of your body.
    so bodybuilding is also character building.

  • @thetruthsodealwithit2803
    @thetruthsodealwithit2803 Рік тому +6

    Mike
    Member loooked
    Amazing but Arnold’s arms
    So it for him

  • @rkidlat
    @rkidlat 5 місяців тому +1

    Mentzer!

  • @renegadeace1735
    @renegadeace1735 Рік тому +4

    Even at his worst he's still the best!

  • @texashistorian7966
    @texashistorian7966 Рік тому

    Arnold had the best upper body and calves to win 4 out of seven mandatory poses plus he won points on the other poses that he lost so it was a very technical contest.

  • @tonyandvikiaskew2469
    @tonyandvikiaskew2469 Рік тому +1

    Not Arnold’s show to win.
    Mentzer or Dickerson

  • @presto111man
    @presto111man Рік тому +11

    Lou Ferrigno is the man.

    • @eliezerramosjr1017
      @eliezerramosjr1017 Рік тому

      Now you’re talking that should’ve been the man in charge.

  • @user-uz4pr8xh3z
    @user-uz4pr8xh3z Рік тому +1

    And 1972 Sergio Oliva got robbed

  • @andrewquinn630
    @andrewquinn630 11 місяців тому

    It was close and it could have gone either way tbh but what gave Arnold the win was his charisma and outstanding posing. Everyone has their own opinions but I believe this to be true

  • @russelchesshir5758
    @russelchesshir5758 Рік тому +1

    You can't mess with Conan bro..

  • @chrisyunge8569
    @chrisyunge8569 Рік тому

    Ab-solutely, no despairing Mike Mentzer tho but Arnold stands out.😎❤🇺🇸

  • @farabjamal1344
    @farabjamal1344 8 місяців тому

    respect for Mike Mentzer

  • @davemaraj2566
    @davemaraj2566 Рік тому

    Mike had been told that he had a perfect 100% chance of winning,yet his argument stems also with Frank Zane who had a private issue falling on said area having made comments at Arnold..this caused alot but the magazine will show Arnold physique to be par dispite the controversy he is a legend and bodybuilding is recognized by his efforts

  • @septemberquest6393
    @septemberquest6393 Рік тому +1

    Mike Mentzer all the way...Dickerson and Coe looked good...could be rigged be a of his name and fame...my theory.

  • @user-rj8uy4ik5v
    @user-rj8uy4ik5v 5 місяців тому +1

    Mike menzar robbed for sure

  • @piercemaciain4847
    @piercemaciain4847 Рік тому

    I can understand why Mentzer had a problem with it but I don’t think there was any chicanery. I think part of it was base Arnold is impressive and that his aura of presence overpowered the judges. There are a lot of intangibles that can factor into a judges decision and Arnold had them all.

  • @bluesteel8586
    @bluesteel8586 Рік тому

    I think it was unfair to show up unannounced also because Arnie has the best look in muscle formation so he is impossible to beat. His muscles are the perfect shape

  • @ishwaryaishwarya8306
    @ishwaryaishwarya8306 8 місяців тому

    Definetly Arnold derserve the title

  • @user-ty6tu1in4l
    @user-ty6tu1in4l Рік тому

    My top three would have been Mentzer,Coe,Dickerson.Would have put Arnold 5th or 6th.

  • @scotthumphrey9904
    @scotthumphrey9904 7 місяців тому

    All things said, Arnold seems to be bigger than everyone on stage.

  • @IdealistINFP
    @IdealistINFP Рік тому

    Love me some classic Arnold. But he had no business winning.

  • @anilhettiarachchi3090
    @anilhettiarachchi3090 Рік тому +6

    no one even close to him living legend

  • @arifsevimli4324
    @arifsevimli4324 Рік тому

    Mentzer over Arnold for sure but Zane's proportion and aesthetic overall.

  • @jacobhembree3454
    @jacobhembree3454 Рік тому

    yes because the overall aesthetic and of what Arnold and everything he had he still had I would give him 50% of the winner of the entire event when you looked at each area individually he wanted with 50% of first place