Well There's Your Problem | Episode 40: Urban Freight Rail & Industrial Sprawl
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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Elon Musk is making freight rail obsolete. His self driving Semis are cheaper and more energy efficient than rail. And them Semi is 100% environmentally friendly
@Joe Average thank you for beating me to the explanation of why that doesn't work. There's another problem we already figured out how to do electric trains a long time ago. The electric train doesn't have the annoying problem of massive amounts of lithium ion batteries. Not to mention all of the inherent inefficiencies involved in battery systems which are not insignificant.
What if we had many many Tesla Semis attached to one another? And they had a similar technology used in the Loop, with some sort of physical guiding system to help move those semi's without worrying about lanes, entrance/exit ramps, etc. And like, they also are the only ones that use it. No dumbos who got their license out of a cereal box (sorry Roz) and pretty much no traffic to speak of apart from the trucks themselves. That sounds efficient, and I like that idea, we should ask governments for money to do more of it.
Now that you have been crushed into a cube by logic, how does it feel, Joe Cummings?
If we moved all the freight that trains move and put it on surface roads and highways the highways would be a crumbled mess after a couple of months.
its all fun and games until there's a fire engine within five miles
The woman who popularized gender reveal parties (through dyed cake, not high explosives) is now very much against them, and has a gender non-conforming child who she seems very supportive of.
Got to love inventing something that's terrible and then realizing they're terrible once the cost becomes clear.
@@distaffpope2603 "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
-That woman immediately after unveiling a cake dyed some color or other.
@@distaffpope2603 To be fair the woman had previously had a number of miscarriages, and the gender-reveal party was a celebration of the foetus surviving to the point where they could identify it's sex.
I guess “sex reveal” parties don’t have the same ring to it. Please, don’t drop your keys in the bowl.
dang she just can't win for losing 😄
Roz: Yes
Alice: That rules
Old Man: Yells At Comment Section
The Savar/Rana building collapse didnt kill 90 people, it killed 1100 workers. It is the deadliest building collapse in modern history and is the deadliest garment-factory disaster ever.
Matt Yglesias is a reprehensible human being and I will never forgive him for this take dancing on the graves of some of the most dis-empowered people on earth.
He didn't just dance on their graves, he contemptuously did a tap dance routine on them while Cee-Lo Green's "Fuck You" played in the background.
Racism is one hell of a drug.
I wanna find this guy and introduce him to some fucking risk-reward calculus. jfc
It's so easy to solve housing policy:
(1) Build fucktons of public housing
(2) Take fucktons of existing rental housing into public ownership
(3) Rent control
(4) Give tenants security of tenure
Everything else is just an attempt to cloud the issue.
(5) Take Matt Yglesias' house, Using his logic its some people are homeless and thats ok(it should be Matt Yglesias)
I think the biggest issue facing housing is air bnb. People have houses listed that sit dormant for most of the year meanwhile people could be renting them to live in. Public housing however is a debacle I have no idea how to fix. Seems every government royally fucks that one up.
@@JustJezBeingJez except the ones that just gives people houses
My hometown has a gravel pit 12 miles out of town, and a cement plant 15 miles out in the opposite direction. Before either industry opened, there was a local freight line that operated between both areas up until it shut down in the 1940s because the railroad that operated both branches heavily relied on street running freight operations. When industry ceded orders to trucks, the railroad lost its main source of revenue and died out. Twenty years later, the gravel pit and cement plant opened on either end of town with no way to haul the bulk aggregate.
So what do they do now? They have convoys of gravel and cement trucks barreling through town and down two lane highways - easily 80-100 a day - with at least 1 major deadly crash a month. I constantly think about how fucking easy it would be to just have a couple local trains running the old route everyday instead of the clusterfuck that plagues the community.
Trains can make better accidents?....
@@NuclearSavety trains are safer than anything on a road.
@@NuclearSavety eh, it's more like trains can haul a bunch of cars behind them in a manner that's simply not going to be tolerated when you've got to stop for traffic lights.
@@russianbear0027 whoever finds irony can keep it ;-) -- cars bad -- train good -- plane bad --
my home town has a gravel pit, and cement mixers at the same facility, we have....idk 40 ton+ trucks running through all the time, not too many crashes. These trucks travel all over the local region to support building projects and roads. Trains would only add a layer of unnecessary bullshit rather than just driving straight to the job site. We send them north, south, east, west, probably servicing anything in a 60 mile area maybe a bit further for large projects. Anything further away, we just open a new gravel pit. Imagine just making your cement factory next to your gravel pit instead of building a railroad.
I love the idea of a 1¢ Bike Tax that you have to physically mail to the government. At that point it's not financing bike lane maintainance, it's just a subsidy to the post office.
GOD I AM HERE FOR THE ROZRANTS
Those cheez-whiz colors don't run.
Im here for the "right"s...
Can someone fill me in on the context a little? I don't twitter
never would I think my favourite podcart would host the guy I found through that train youtuber who went to every station in the country (I'm bad with remembering names)
Shut up Twitter Brain.
Oh, Tacoma Narrows bridge next week! Very much looking forward to watch that, at last!
I though they did it last episode?
that's right
Just as I thought. Well I'm looking forward to the next episode, which is going to be about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
The Tacoma narrows bridge is every other episode. But if course this isn't any other episode, it's this episode. Bridge tomorrow, bridge yesterday, but never bridge today.
Every episode so far has been about the Tacoma Narrows bridge.
You know about elf on a shelf, now there is a whale on a rail.
Rail the whale?
Goddamn it.
No there isnt, that was the point
The start of this podcast seems to be along the lines of "In order to derail, you need to be on the tracks in the first place". Never change, guys
isn't a derailed train basically a really bad car?
This is the comment I was looking for!
@@justinokraski3796 Trains are really bad cars, and cars make really bad trains. Clearly the answer for last-mile transport is the most morally and materially neutral, the goat. Lasership, no. Lasergoat, yes!
@@trashrabbit69 goats have the added advantage of preferentially eating invasive weeds
Yes!
The idea of loads stressing roads and bridges to the fourth power of their relative weight gets seriously mind-boggling in a hurry. Assuming that I've solidly grasped the concept and crunched the numbers correctly, and 250 pounds is decently (if overly) representative of the average Philadelphian with a bike, you could have all 1.5 million Philly-area residents bicycle race in a giant Freddie Mercury tribute down Market Street, say, and they collectively could cause less stress and damage to the roadway than a single 5-ton bread truck. Boggles my fuckin' mind
Comment necromancy here but I would support the all-philly bike race idea
@@IDOLA149 All tied to a massive float carrying Queen's current lineup playing a full concert
In my hometown the paper factory sits right in the middle of the city centre, and up until around 2012 they made good use of their railway access (the factory even has a turntable for railway cars). This meant at least three long trains a day going straight across the city's biggest junction.
In order to improve traffic flow, considering that the junction featured the ends of four main roads (one of which leads to the main bus terminal and railway station), as well as the end of the main pedestrian zone and access to a parking garage, it was decided to remodel it to a roundabout, which was eventually opened in 2010. Of course the train line was still there, so now we have a roundabout with a train line going straight through. Because its Germany, the crossing had to be secured properly, so we ended up with about 25 lights and 20 barriers. This cost about 350,000 dollars. There are videos on UA-cam of the junction in action, it takes two entire minutes to close.
Now, because of the unique way capitalism has made our paper factory function, it is regularly sold to a new owner (generally investment fonds), where nothing will be invested, the factory will make a massive loss, and once the purchase price has been accumulated in losses, the factory gets sold to the next bidder, who does the same (for the uninitiated, this means that any profits you made can be compensated by the losses this factory makes, and to make a long story short, it means that they won't have to pay taxes on their massive profits from other ventures).
The factory was last sold in 2012, and that owner decided to do the novel thing of investing and trying to make the factory profitable. As there hadn't been any investment since about the 1960s, the on-site power production consisted of a coal power plant with steam turbines, all original from the 1910s. Of course this was quite expensive, so the new owner decided to build a gas power plant. This meant that there weren't any coal trains going to the factory anymore. Then they decided that making normal paper in large volumes is less profitable than making specialised paper in low volumes. This meant that using trucks was more profitable than the ten-car train a day they had before, and it conveniently also meant that they could lay off most of the workforce.
So we had a factory making good use of their rail access, the train company made an investment of 300,000 Euros and built an absolutely ridiculous junction, only for capitalism to do its work and rendering the line unused two years later.
Fun fact: nearby is the last fully operational mechanical signal box in Germany, with original equipment from 1913. This is on a line with modern rapid transit, so you have modern(ish) EMUs traveling in a line where the switches and semaphore signals are operated by a man with a lever, and the crossing barriers are operated with a hand crank. This line will get an additional track in the near future, and sadly it's still not decided whether that signal box will remain in operation.
Links to the videos?
@@Cincinnatus358
ua-cam.com/video/0aPjY0klSko/v-deo.html Is a good one. And in case you're wondering about the locomotive, its from the 50s and wearing its original livery.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 why is this a thing? 😆😆😆 Fantastic share. Hope they keep the signal or memorialize it. Sounds cool
That honestly sounds like it was a delightful little rail operation, slightly insane just as it should be. As an old electrical and steam nerd, I hope at least some equipment from the 1910 power plant was preserved.
There are a bunch of fully operational mechanical signal boxes in Germany, with the oldest ones being a handful of mech Kra kurb installations on Munich - Mühldorf.
hey hey hey, _Edison_ electrocuted the elephant. George Westinghouse was like one of the only 19th century dudes who was actually entirely chill
With all that Laudenum around, not to mention what was basically cannabis oil diluted with 96% grain spirits as well as cocktails at breakfast you'd think it would have been less uptight. Maybe the time was so brutal because of the cocaine. And l guess the cocktails for breakfast though it'll never stop me damnit hic.
Westinghouse also made a freaky dieselpunk robot.
Entirely chill? Right... That's why he also effectively robbed his workers of their inventions and the value of their labor... Super chill dude...
Seriously though he kinda fucked Tesla just as hard as Edison did, and as far as harm to other people goes Tesla was the chillest dude... Like, he wasn't at all interested in exploitation and genuinely wanted nothing more than to help advance the human race as a whole while his contemporaries were only interested in profit and profit alone
@@William-Morey-Baker Tesla was a bit too insane to be chill imo, but yeah he's definitely the least problematic
@@William-Morey-Baker Tesla was only uninterested in profit because he was never in a position to make any. If he had achieved an Edison/Westinghouse level of success and notoriety, I'm certain he would be remembered as just another industrial tyrant. Something about money just screws people up.
Two trains enter, one train leaves. - That's just the description of a small rail yard.
*Then, slightly later, a second train leaves*
The trifecta of WTYP enemies:
(1) Matt Yglesias
(2) Fish
(3) Elon Musk
Don't forget the Dutch.
Don't forget the French.
Don’t forget Andrew Cuomo
I do not respect fish.
What about Robert Moses
1:18:00 The ponds are for water retention, because the distribution center and the parking lots are both massive impervious surfaces which prevent stormwater from being absorbed directly into the ground. By retaining the water, it gives it time to soak into the ground, instead of causing floods of runoff every time it rains.
57:48 Alice is correct. I winced my face inside-out.
saying "Alice is correct" is a really good way to get your comment ❤'d by the WTYP account
Most of Chicago's 'L' didn't handle freight service, with the services Justin describes being mostly handled by either the Chicago Tunnel Company or the Chicago Surface Lines. The only one of the four 'L' companies to handle freight extensively was the Northwestern Elevated as they were the only company with a 4 track mainline, and they originally ordered the S-104 locomotive seen on the slide. There were a number of on-line customers between the Northwestern's Buena yard, where they interchanged with the Milwaukee Road, and Linden station in Wilmette, with gauntlet tracks used to clear the 3rd rail and station platforms
This included a team track at South Blvd station for less than carload freight to various customers in Evanston, which is the surviving spur mentioned on the podcast. But the destination of the coal hoppers would be Lill Coal at Berwyn, which was the last freight customer on the 'L', closing in 1973. The Northwestern also interchanged with the North Shore Line and the CNW's skokie branch in Skokie, and the CNW's now defunct Weber subdivision at a yard adjacent to the 'L's Skokie Shops.
Aside from that, the Chicago, Aurora, and Elgin had trackage rights over the Garfield Park Line, and ran freight trains over the ground level portion of the line, and the South Side Elevated also had a connection with the Nickel Plate at 63rd St for some deliveries, which the CTA still maintains today to receive ballast hoppers from NS. The rest of the 'L' never really saw freight service.
And to address Alice's comment about the appearance of the locomotive at around 37:50, the freight trains were normally run at night, due to the high traffic volume on the 'L' during the day, so the appearence of the locomotives wasn't of much concern. For the last ever freight service, however, the CTA opted to keep the locomotives in their weathered state, but run the train during the day, and invited several photographers from the Chicago Electric Railfans' Association to document the final run, which is why there are color photographs of the event. After the locomotives were officially retired from freight service, they received a cosmetic restoration and ran on a commemorative train on the following Memorial Day weekend, before being officially placed into MOW service. So they did dress up the locomotive, just after they had been retired.
episode 40
news
11:57 dumbkirk
16:18 wildfire
urban freight rail
21:01 freight rail overview
early urban rail freight
27:45 london, freight on the subway
32:00 nyc, death avenue
35:01 shipping a whale
36:26 chicago l
38:00 sacramento northern, freight on the streets
40:57 pn trolley gauge, freight off the streets
pinnacle of rail freight
41:50 nyc highline
44:42 tripping over chains
46:17 pinnacle of urban rail freight
46:52 less than car load freight
50:57 brooklyn army terminal
54:30 nj bronx terminal
1:00:37 njnyc freight
1:02:21 penn station freight test
1:04:45 baltimore switcher trucks
1:05:33 scammel scarab
1:07:04 baltimore switcher tractors
1:07:51 philadelphia frankford grocery co & prank crash
1:09:09 specialized delivery systems
1:09:41 london mail rail
1:11:36 chicago tunnel company
decline of rail (and unions)
1:14:25 rise of trucking
1:21:45 trucking problems
1:25:37 suburbanization of industry, atomization of the workforce
1:37:00 containerization
1:41:45 abandoned urban rail
freight nowadays
1:45:29 eu sensible freight
1:49:45 us garbage trains
1:51:32 rail barges
1:53:05 return of multistory industry?
safety third
1:59:19 global safety standards (lack of)
thx
ty!
You don't duck on the mail rail to avoid scraping your head. You duck to avoid getting modified to mail rail loading gauge.
Old man Roczniak heard “we gotta transport this-“ and immediately went “train.”
Honk if Roczniak is based
dragonslaya16 *honks train horn*
Rocz for Transportation Secretary. He'd be much better than Mayor Guaido.
"Motorsport? Banned! Why? No reason!"
I hope this doesn't mean there won't be a Le Mans 1955 episode. For whatever reason I kinda want to hear WTYP talk about former Nazis building racing cars out of magnesium for entry to an event where a hay bale was seen as adequate crash protection for spectators.
Turns out you were in luck!
It was a berm!
WTYPP: Discussing air quality during wildfires
Me, no longer getting sunburn because the sun is obscured by the smoke: I see this as an absolute win!
Everyone in CA last week: god it's hot as fuck, I wish it were cooler
Everyone in CA this week: not like this!
Lung cancer over skin cancer ftw
"What are children but emergency rations with legs."
More like free labor ammiright?
Dusting off my planning degrees for a moment, like everyone said you were technically wrong, but you were really only wrong because of your choice of examples, in broad concept you were right. Federal rules override local zoning all the time. There are rules protecting telcos, group homes, and churches that all show how it could work.
Yea, the problem is that those are special cases of essential other federal powers happening to intersect with zoning rather than stand alone land use powers. Also RFRA got struck down
Matt Yglesias sounds like a Jim Crow era medical school textbook. "Different races have different pain tolerances."
sirloinofice ‘and thats ok’
You say Jim Crow textbook, you unfortunately mean like 10 year old textbook
At 1:33:00, you have to distinguish between unions and the "Betriebsrat" (workplace council, roughly). The former can go on strikes and fun stuff like that. The latter represents the employees, has some very narrow but very useful formal powers (e. g. they have to sign off on every hiring and firing, but they can't block them willy-nilly, they need valid reasons and can be overruled through a court order), but generally has a lot more of soft power. They need to be informed and consulted on changes into how the workplace is run (e. g. ours had to sign off on our COVID-19 safety rules) and that's basically it. Anyway, they are very useful and can often get things moving in ways that the union can't.
"info(rmation)hazard" and "cognitohazard" are both SCP terms. A cognitohazard is dangerous to observe, whereas an infohazard is dangerous to even know about.
Based on the etymology, a cognitohazard should be something that is dangerous to think about or be aware of.
@@upthorn cognition
[ kog-nish-uhn ]
noun
the act or process of knowing; perception.
It does mean something that is dangerous to be aware of, just in the sense of directly perceiving it
@@ProjectThunderclaw"the act or process of knowing" includes learning by any means, not just direct perception.
@@upthorn it says "perception" right there.
Besides, words can and often do have more narrow definitions than a strict etymogical reading would imply. "Transubstantiation" just means "to turn from one thing into another", but it refers specifically and exclusively to the Christian belief that the eucharist becomes the body and blood of Christ.
“Go commit voter fraud.”
Feeling presidential today, are we?
The5lacker I see communist doggo. Communist doggo good.
voter fraud is based, as long as it's communist voter fraud
I work in a chemical factory thats part of the electronics supply chain. It also makes solvents. Theres a rail spur across the street next to a scrap yard.
We send out thousands of kgs of chemicals daily by truck. Lots of them are highly toxic, corrosive, and flammable. God help whoever gets caught in the fire when one inevitably crashes. Most of them are going to the same customer. Using a train would be hella nice for this. Moreover the building fucking leaks and we were gonna build additional infrastructure but apparently more buildings means more taxes and roofs are expensive to replace so we gotta hope nothing water sensitive gets touched and no truck ever crashes. Fucking hell. Theres a bunch of industry around the area making hazmats and almost none of it uses the goddamn train thats right there
@Joe Average capitalism at its best
Guys help, I've got a public policy teacher who doesn't believe in global warming, and thinks that neither wealth inequality or colonialism exist.
They think that wealth inequality doesn't exist? Huh? So they think Jeff Bezos is a figment of our collective imagination?
I have no idea how that's even possible. How can someone not believe that people have different amounts of money, or that someone with more money has more influence?
Pure ideology
Drop the class and take it with a different professor next quarter.
"Just because you work in a school doesn't mean you're a teacher"
Public Sanitation Departments in cities primary job was to hire people to sweep up horse dung. Chaplin played a street sweeper in "Modern Times".
Edit: In rural American cities that have a grain elevator, large field tractors can be outfitted with AAR couplers so they can spot grain cars under the proper elevator.
Ah yes the trains full of racism. Missouri's finest export.
Don't think the North East is slacking.
Missouri claiming credit for Virginian innovation smh
I am early so I rule. And I am here for any Rozrant™️®️©️ that includes Matt Inglesias, housing policy, and the" wine-dark sea" in the first minute and a half.
seriously, an all-timer
I am a civil engineer at the PWD and that One Red Lion development is a project we are reviewing (not mine specifically). Those pond looking areas are "potential stormwater management practice locations" if you really wanted to know
Motorsport in Switzerland was banned after the Le mans disaster(which the podcast should do) where a lot of people died because they never bothered with safety at the time.
Funnily enough though they recently made an exception for electric cars so Formula E is able to do races in Switzerland
omg... Theme Hospital for Evah.
I love that when framing an argument, Liam had to interupt his own hypotherical character to tell them to shut up.
the chicago river, finding one tiny hole in a basement wall: my city now
"His constituents aren't exactly going to have an opinion on that. 'Cause they're dead."
Truer words have never been spoken.
"Rail as a church..." Oh you mean the Corbettite Railway from the "Girl Genius" webcomic? It's run by the Corbettite Monks, where "the schedule is gospel".
"Did you know that episode was only 44 minutes?"
I glance down at the runtime. Two hours remain.
Hey, something I can confidently talk about. In the VW plant in Chattanooga the company and the UAW were all for unionizing. (In fact VW tried to bring German style industrial co-ops) the state republican party was having none of that. So in the most recent vote it was the UAW for, VW saying okay, locals and democrats sitting on the sidelines with thumbs up their asses. VS the republicans. The workers sided with the republicans.
Oh, and that GM plant in Spring Hill you showed is Unionized I think.
VAG (that's the company that owns Volkswagen, Audi and a bunch of other car brands) is very much used to unions in Germany... or rather *the* union.
Almost every person who works at any car plant in Germany is a member of IG Metall, one of the largest unions in Germany, and indeed the main metalworking unions. IGM does have links to the UAW, but I'm not too sure about the relationship, but it's predominantly because all the German car manufacturers, VAG, Daimler, BMW, have IGM representing the work force.
Unions in Germany are actually a really fascinating thing.
"The president of the Humane Society of the United States stated: 'This is a merciful end to a colossally stupid idea.'"
The last time I was in Tampa FL, my birth home, I witnessed a freight train rolling down the middle of E Polk Street very slowly at about 5 mph. This was about 5 years ago.
42:08 Complains about games having warehouses in which trains just disappear into not being realistic, shows a warehouse in which trains disappear into.
"I like trains, I tweet about them." That's all we needed to hear, Uday.
It's really interesting to hear you talk about factories being built in rural America. I work with farmers in southeastern PA and the ever developing warehouses, factories, and cookie-cutter houses has been very disruptive for their operations.
Which, you know, is another negative about moving industry to the middle of nowhere.
Also, I'm playing Factorio as I listen to this. Goddamn it.
1:24:40 - iirc, bicycles are also the most energy efficient mode of transport by far; the combination of muscles as power, efficient drivetrains, low rolling resistance and very little added weight vs someone walking is very potent.
35:21 It was Edison who was was shocking Elephants, Westinghouse was his competitor using A/C.
Thank you Alice! Listening to this podcast has accidentally helped me feeling way less dysphoria over my way to male voice. I still hate my voice, but I'm less troubled by letting others hear it. Making me actually able to talk to people.
Dear "Well There's your Problem" podcast,
This is Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft. Several weeks ago, your podcast popped into my UA-cam feed since I watch a lot of engineering videos. I've come to really enjoy your work and up to now have watched all of your videos. However, I've noticed you haven't activated your copy of Windows. In earlier podcasts you mentioned you were having some issues with your computer, which caused you to revert activation. I noticed in some videos Windows is activated, in some videos, it's not.
Look, even we at Microsoft encounter technical issues with our product sometimes. However, I would respectfully ask that you activate your copy of windows. It would mean a lot to me personally and shouldn't take much time.
Thank you very much.
hey, satya?
no.
In edinburgh,Scotland, they still have a old trash line that's used to get rid of some of the rubbish out of the city and away to..... somewhere?
Twice a year it is used as storage for the car dealerships in the city, train loads of new cars either being delivered or parked up for a few days until they are needed. That's the only time anyone even notices the track, when there are a big long lines of cars in areas that that are usually hidden by bushes and the city thats grown around the track
I mean, they do fly gas/heating oil in Alaska. Everts Air Cargo has a few planes that fly out to villages in the middle of nowhere and give them the drink of God and it’s sick as hell.
My personal favorite is when the impromptu party that starts when the water truck rolls in two days late.
Fisher here. Can confirm, fishing rarely pays as much of a premium as it’s worth considering we don’t have a full union or benefits.
1:23:58 so in the Netherlands road taxes are actually deternined by empty vehicle weight. My car weighs about as much as a Smart car (less even) and I pay €20 a month (actually, most months it's €19 but every third month it's €20 because reasons) so with that wildly inflated tax rate in mind, a fat guy on an extremely heavy bicycle does the equivalent of €0.03 per month on a basis of equivalent damage per mile.
I worked in Bangaldesh for 9 months of 2017 building and commissioning their first LNG import terminal, met some of the loveliest people I've had the pleasure of, but living in conditions of abject poverty. From what I saw, it's not that there is a 'lower' safety culture there, it is that there is 'no' safety culture there. However, what must be said is that the current government, at least in the energy sector that I was dealing with, are working extremely hard to change that, and were hoovering up all the information that we, as the successful Western company, would/could provide about risk/safety/etc.
Very strange part of my life, but one I am genuinely glad I got to experience. Incredible place.
Urban? Freight? Rail? Industrial Sprawl? Two hours long? It's perfect!
The brits might call that a goods train, but here in 'straya it's a "shit puller"
As someone whose job it is to negotiate intermodal rates, this will give me a contemplative and troubling end to my week. Looking forward to it.
True story... when I was a kid, around 11-12 I think, I got my first true experience of abject repulsion and dread when I witnessed another kid play chicken with a speeding Amtrak train. The most unnerving part was that the kid jumped onto the opposite side off the tracks at the last second, making it seem like they got hit. I may be making this up, but I "remember" that it made the train come to a stop (it may be from another time, but I do remember a train dead on the tracks at that location)
this podcast is gonna turn me into a train person if i'm not careful...
Yes... Embrace the Trains.
One of us...One of us...One of us...
Become one with the SD40-2
@Duxn wait, it's all trains? always has been
Part of the train, part of the crew.
*Part of the train, part of the crew.*
Geez, Roz really let his inner Tankie out
*good for him*
Can you please make longer episodes with multiple toilet breaks and constant interruption and banter as you have 5 guests in a single podcast episode
Like a relay race?
UnIronically tho
a charity stream. 4 chairs. toilet break means your seat is open for someone to tap in.
lots of beer to ensure regular turnover
@@GilTheDragon could add a race to the empty chair, sucks if you are stuck in Glasgow and trying to get to Philly but rules are rules.
A charity podcast stream would be a good idea
Hear me out:
Dedicated truck lanes right... electrify them and automate the semis so they can drive for hours... days even. Right? 1 truck good. Ten trucks even better... 100 trucks the best. To maximize efficiency link em all together and have the lead truck pull em all. Build them all on rail right of ways and we still got the highways. Let’s fund it.
51:02 oh my word that is a seriously awesome aesthetic
So it wasn't just me about those loose chains!!
Vivid childhood flashback suddenly... walking home ahead of my parents, aged about... 5, 6? The street had a big lawn with those little interlocking-hoops border fence, a few inches high, so I was going along hopping over it back and forth.
Get to the end of the street, there's a big church with a sequence of those hanging chains as a fence delineating the property from the pavement, and a few feet of slabs between them and the building.
I continue my back-and-forth hopping over them... and eat shit on every. single. one.
Scuff up my shins and cry a bit, and never ever try to jump over a hanging chain ever again. I thought I was just dumb somehow, as it seems such an easy thing to jump over, which is why I kept trying after the first, second, third fall.
Thank you Alice and Justin and Roz for validating my childhood trauma as not necessarily just me, but an insidious feature of hanging chains.
IIRC Tokyo still use a branch of the Yamanote Line to run freight today, because, well, Tokyo just doesn't have too much space left for another dedicated freight rail.
There's a Scania engine-forward lorry I see going past my flat once or twice a week, hauling lumber.
Colorado is like a giant half-microwaved hot pocket, with cold spots.
I have seen pick up trucks that have special little wheels that roll on the tracks and then they have regular tires too so they can drive on the road. I've only ever seen one of them but they definitely did have them and it was some kind of maintenance truck for BNSF, if memory serves, but this was a couple of decades ago.
I nearly pissed myself with excitement seeing a Sacramento Northern locomotive as the thumbnail for this
Thank you for mentioning Colorado... My parents home almost burned down by one of those fires and was saved by snow
1:17:00 I love how the conversation passes entirely by the fact that the FedEx truck is performing unnatural acts with someone's pickup.
I'm kind of freaked out right now. I had just the phrase "whale by rail" stuck in my head for a whole day like three weeks before I listened to this for the first time.
We need communism now so I can watch the train video now instead of needing to go to work.
That's not home communism works. In communism you go to work now, if you want to or not, and you may or may not get the video within the next 10 years.
@@Yora21 Clearly the workers haven't seized the means of production if they still have to deal with HR to get vacation time.
Work must still be done in a communist society. You have a duty to the rest of society to do your share of the collective labor.
@@chancekahle2214 You must be fun at parties, especially Communist ones. Also, as a post-scarcity society, with proper wealth redistribution, everyone would have what they need while, especially as automation continues to become more prevalent, the workforce shrinks.
@@chancekahle2214 in a worker owned economy free of large, stagnant capital holders, automation and available labor allows for the same output with less effort from each laborer.
Yes of course you still have responsibilities to society, but you don't have to grind out 40+ hours a week to keep a leaky roof over your head.
"Railways are no good, pull 'em up, toin 'em inta roads!"
- George Carlin
We need more ”east is red” for the God damn news
Shoutout to the Scammell Scarab (a.k.a Mechanical Horse).
Basically designed to turn in the same arc as a horse and cart so it could fit in British Railways aging goods sheds!
About bikes and damage to pavement. The only damage I have encountered from them is some little ruts at the traffic light push button.
In Utah we had wildfires, snow, AND windstorm so strong it knocked out a bunch of people's power (and also felled a lot of trees). Very exciting times in the American West right now.
freight doesn't run on the London Underground anymore, but it still runs very often on the Overground's North London Line and the GOBLIN. and those are pretty high use lines, up to 8tph on the NLL.
Can I just say I am in fucking love with the first image, it looks like an alternate history world where the IC engine was never invented and all non-foot transport was moved to steam power, and 75% of cities is just factories. And that locomotive is fucking adorable, I want it.
1:47:00 only round courses are banned (exceptions may be granted) because one swiss driver died (we dont care about foreigners) and the national reaction to the horrific crash in LeMans.
1:47:30 Thats a fine. Prison is a joke since all the "justice" system wants is money.
1:48:24 Gee i wish.
I noticed the video thumbnail was a image of Sacramento Northern 654 in the 1950s hauling some freight. Now I have 2 hours left to watch.
Grilling with coal got me thinking..
Instead of "taste the meat, not the heat"
"Taste the heat , now you're more meat"
BEST PODCAST EVER! Knew I found a home when both at once Alice and I said (to myself) "It's Jerico's raft of the Medusa!" Keep 'em rollin' kids!!!
25:20 I didn't know the Jersey Special went through Philadelphia.
On the pavement damage chart the top of the chart (9 ton truck) was less heavy than any of my semi cabs were (9.5 to 10.5 tons). An average empty tractor-trailer in the USA is 17 tons, loaded can be up to 40 tons in most states without special permits.
And Alice is right, Nevada is unique in that they allow turnpike doubles (double 45' or 48' trailers) and triple pups (three 27' to 28'6" trailers) on the two lane blacktop highways that crisscross the state, where most other states that allow them don't allow pike doubles or pup triples to leave the freeway network. Most western USA states do allow B-doubles (two semitrailers directly connected without a converter dolly with a combined length of 60 to 65 feet) and Rocky Mountain Doubles (a 40' to 48' trailer pulling a 20' to 28'6" pup) to travel on non-freeways.
(For reference, the nationwide standard is either a single 48' or 53' trailer or double 28' pups.)
2:33 now the line "A Hunky Boy is General Sherman" from The Fall of Charleston constantly playing in my head now.
Mr President, I’m trying to sneak through the south but my army is dummy thicc and the sound of us burning down slave plantations is alerting the rebels.
as someone from winchester tn where theres a nissan plant as the biggest industry, its cheap and theres nothing here. the plant literally has forest and fields on its grounds
First four minutes of the podcast without alice: I sleep
Alice appears: 😎
It was weird having to listen to Justin talk for four minutes without an interruption and no one being there to stop that madness!
I recommend Derail Valley for all of your sorting and shunting cars of mixed freight in yards needs, you don't even have to play it in VR
This episode could have also been titled: "Factorio IRL". Or not. I'm only 22 minutes in.
I love trains in Factorio so much; I'm not very good at them, but they are so much fun for some reason.
I find it amazing that at no point have you guys mentioned the prime reason for moving to truck freight
Just in time delivery
This is bananas, I want my single banana!!!
What am I supposed to care about the externalities and consequences involved to _others_ ?! This is me we're talking about! FREEDOMMMM (tm)
To move train cars, my work uses a large CAT front load loader, just shoves them with the bucket and goes past it to catch it.
I want full episodes of the goddamn news and safety third
Safety 3rd as a set of 5 minute animated shorts would be gold
depressing, stressful gold
Regarding labor safety...perhaps having employers pay for all health costs for their employees and anyone else injured by them on the job as well as extra for deaths might be effective at encouraging them to find it in their self interest to make safe working conditions.
I appreciate the entirety of the first 5 minutes. I love me some Banter Podcasts [insert picture of satisfied Tina Belcher here]