You can really tell that Mohnke and Weilding are the only two Front-line Generals in the room because of how dirty their Uniform and they have combat belts strapped on compared to General Krebs and Burgdolf.
@@adamhashi9673Especially after the coup against hitler in 1944 he appreciated the Waffen-SS way more then the Wehrmacht. Wenk was Waffen-SS, the others are Wehrmacht members
I got to talk to Wilhelm Mohnke’s grandson this year and he said this film’s depiction of him was spot on. When Mohnke first comes into the bunker, he meets with Goebbels and Hitler and they just totally didn’t grasp the situation. They were completely prepared to lead Germany to annihilation to win a war that was long over.
@@janikender5942 I’m from Texas but it was online on a WWII Facebook page for photos. He posted up his grandfather’s portrait and some went to calling him a war criminal and others were respectful. I had long been researching the battle of Berlin just out of curiosity and remembered seeing his grandfather portrayed in the film downfall. I took a chance and messaged him, introduced myself and we got right to talking. He was cordial, polite and matter of fact as well as knowledgeable. He even filled in some of the gaps and various questions I had. After the exchange I chose to leave him in peace.
@@bcarreon6409 It is unfortunate that the movie made Mohnke seem like such a lantern-jawed hero. They even have him expressing concern for civilians. It's not at all like the portrait of the real Mohnke in "Conduct Unbecoming" by Margolian. The real Mohnke murdered British prisoners of war at Wormhoudt in 1940, and by Normandy was a drooling morphine addict. In a pain and drug induced rage he ordered the murders of Canadian prisoners of war in June 1944, as a field commander in the 12th SS Panzer Division. He was not a *convicted* war criminal as he was never held to account for his alleged crimes. The handsome actor they got to play him didn't look much like the real Mohnke, who was a chinless, droopy-eyed schlub.
@@HandGrenadeDivision Yes and I asked his grandson about this very thing. Truth be told, Mohnke vehemently denied ever ordering the execution of British troops. Yet he was the ranking field officer for that incident and there were 81 British soldiers murdered in that single instance. Yet he never faced a trial. I do wonder if there is yet still a veneer of adoration for Wilhelm Mohnke in this film. But we may never know the true details of his involvement with that incident. Never the less, those British soldiers were murdered and many of them already having been wounded. War is an ugly business. :/ thanks for commenting. 👍
They have used this trick also for city names. Like a small village named 'Prag' in bavaria. Best example for this shadow gaming is hidden in Rammstein lyric 🎉
@@edelanovic4713 Hitler doch bestimmt. Stalin ließ über den Korea Krieg einen ähnlichen Spruch los ich zitiere "Er (der Krieg) wird uns viele Menschen kosten aber davon haben wir ja genug
@@patrickneumann1245 Als wenn es heute anders aussehen würde.Warum gab es wohl eine BW Wehrpflicht, genau deshalb. Selbst die Verweigern wollten wurden trotzdem gezogen. Und aktuell geht wieder alles in diese Richtung. Im Ernstfall kann man sogar bis 65J wieder eingezogen werden.
@@patrickneumann1245da merkt man halt, das die Menschen nur "Material" für ihren Sieg waren, welche skrupellos geopfert wurden, selbst wenn klar war, dass man nicht mehr gewinnen kann... man wollte es nicht wahrhaben, auch wenn man dadurch viele Leben hätte retten können 😢😢 Das waren einfach egoistische und skrupellose Schweine ! 😢🤮
@@patrickneumann1245 Nein! Garantiert nicht! Ganz im Gegenteil. Nach Aussage seines Kammerdieners sagte er, dass so viel junges Blut sinnlos gefallen ist. Statt ein Großdeutsches Reich aufzubauen, mussten Generationen für diese Idee sterben. Ich glaube da eher der Aussage des Kammerdieners, der immer an Hitlers Seite war, als einer Aussage im Film deren Quelle nicht sichtbar und daher nicht glaubwürdig ist
Wenck tenía aproximadamente 18mil tropas atravesó Berlín para que los civiles pudieran escapar, al reunirse con el 9no ejército tenían 40mil soldados pero decidieron contactar a el ejercicio estadounidense para rendirse.
entre todos los soldados alemanes al final de la guerra no sumaban 100000 los que podian defender Berlín y Hitler queria que rodearan a 1.5 millones de rusos, totalmente loco y delirante estaba
@@jackprescott9652 no solo eso si no que stalin mando a zhukov a flanquearlos por el norte y el sur, que se esperaba que intentaran un ataque asi, mientras konev tomaba berlin
The way Weidling and Krebs just look at each other while Hitler is talking about Wenck. Wenck will come, he says. It'll be fine he said. Steiner will attack, he said. Crazy.
Kesalahan terbesar Hitler : 1. terlalu terburu-buru menyerang uni-soviet disaat britania raya belum berhasil dikuasai, bahkan menguasi pertempuran udara pun tidak 2. buruknya persiapan Sea Lion dimana Jerman tidak memiliki kapasitas angkutan laut yang memadai, bahkan tidak memiliki pasukan pendarat khusus semisal marinir atau SNLF sebagaimana yang dimiliki oleh Nippon Yang paling fatal dari semua itu adalah Lack of Natural resources
el 12vo creo que ayudo al 9no y a los civiles a llevar a los heridos a escapar con los estadounidenses, mientras que zukhov les intentaba flanquear por el norte y el sur
Es que la logística es lo último que un ejército debe perder en una guerra... de hecho en el momento que tu logística se va al caño perdiste irremediablemente
Here you really can experience the silly overacting of Bruno Ganz. He speaks like Hitler did in his public speeches when he was in a rage but in normal conversation Hitlers voice was much softer (there are recordings). This way Ganz makes it look like a bad caricature of Hitler. Very bad acting actually and got praised for it all over. The Goebbels actor is superb, he should have gotten all the glory.
I'm guessing you're not that versed into the background of the movie, or don't speak german, but that point of how Hitler should be portrayed was heavily discussed and debated during the film's conception. If you watch the making-of the movie, you'll hear Bruno Ganz talk about that aspect a great deal. He and the team took into account various records, from written to actual witness testimonies, that shed some light on how he acted like in those final days. Plus they considered the public outlook on such a character as well (it's a fine line to tread if you're going to portray him). Plus this scene you're judging the actor's perfomance over was the pinnacle revelation that all counter-measures from the German army was truly exhausted and that Germany will certainly fall at that point. I can imagine the real life Hitler acting the way Ganz portrayed him. Also, not sure if you've seen the rest of the film, but there are quieter scenes with Hitler in them and he's quite soft spoken there, so it's natural that he'd be out of himself with rage at this scene and not as soft spoken as you'd like him to be. I feel your description would fit Inglorious Basterd's characterisation of Hitler better. But I do agree that Goebbels, as well as the rest of the cast was phenomenal. It's just that Hitler is the titular character of the film and the driving force behind the entire movie, so it's natural that people would be focused on how he was portrayed.
@@kiwaminski I am German native speaker. Ganz was totally overrated for his performance. But I agree, I was exagerrating when i wrote "bad acting". It is not bad, but just not that good.
Hitler was completely stripped of energy by 1945, I think the movie strikes a healthy balance between the subtle loss of thought and responsive anger, we're only one step closer towards seeing a true portrayal of Hitler.
![Hitler declares war on the USA - Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941 [german/ english subtitles]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uJlHbAy222o/mqdefault.jpg)
You can really tell that Mohnke and Weilding are the only two Front-line Generals in the room because of how dirty their Uniform and they have combat belts strapped on compared to General Krebs and Burgdolf.
And only Mohnke was allowed to carry a sidearm as Hitler did not trust the other generals...
Krebs and Burgdorf were staff generals, they didn’t command troops in the front
@@samuelattas3864really?
@@adamhashi9673Especially after the coup against hitler in 1944 he appreciated the Waffen-SS way more then the Wehrmacht.
Wenk was Waffen-SS, the others are Wehrmacht members
@@samuelattas3864 krebs was also allowed to carry. How did you think he shot himself in his office in the bunker?
Me and bois explaining to the teacher why project couldn't be done
😂
I got to talk to Wilhelm Mohnke’s grandson this year and he said this film’s depiction of him was spot on. When Mohnke first comes into the bunker, he meets with Goebbels and Hitler and they just totally didn’t grasp the situation. They were completely prepared to lead Germany to annihilation to win a war that was long over.
This movie is so depressing. Most wars don't end in a suicide pact. It was effectively lost long before the two fronts were on Germany's borders.
Where do you talk to Mohnkes grandson, in Germany or the US? Where are you from?
@@janikender5942 I’m from Texas but it was online on a WWII Facebook page for photos. He posted up his grandfather’s portrait and some went to calling him a war criminal and others were respectful. I had long been researching the battle of Berlin just out of curiosity and remembered seeing his grandfather portrayed in the film downfall. I took a chance and messaged him, introduced myself and we got right to talking. He was cordial, polite and matter of fact as well as knowledgeable. He even filled in some of the gaps and various questions I had. After the exchange I chose to leave him in peace.
@@bcarreon6409 It is unfortunate that the movie made Mohnke seem like such a lantern-jawed hero. They even have him expressing concern for civilians. It's not at all like the portrait of the real Mohnke in "Conduct Unbecoming" by Margolian. The real Mohnke murdered British prisoners of war at Wormhoudt in 1940, and by Normandy was a drooling morphine addict. In a pain and drug induced rage he ordered the murders of Canadian prisoners of war in June 1944, as a field commander in the 12th SS Panzer Division. He was not a *convicted* war criminal as he was never held to account for his alleged crimes. The handsome actor they got to play him didn't look much like the real Mohnke, who was a chinless, droopy-eyed schlub.
@@HandGrenadeDivision Yes and I asked his grandson about this very thing. Truth be told, Mohnke vehemently denied ever ordering the execution of British troops. Yet he was the ranking field officer for that incident and there were 81 British soldiers murdered in that single instance. Yet he never faced a trial. I do wonder if there is yet still a veneer of adoration for Wilhelm Mohnke in this film. But we may never know the true details of his involvement with that incident. Never the less, those British soldiers were murdered and many of them already having been wounded. War is an ugly business. :/ thanks for commenting. 👍
"Wie lange können sie noch halten?"
And he will probably keep asking that question even beyond his carbonized grave.
Yeah. One of the last things he said to Mohnke in private as well.
1:41 that look of krebs lol, like whatever bro
He had a fishy look
1:30 "Anmarsch" is not a place but rather 'advancement', meaning "they are on the march"
They have used this trick also for city names. Like a small village named 'Prag' in bavaria. Best example for this shadow gaming is hidden in Rammstein lyric 🎉
Aber dafür sind die jungen Leute doch da da könnte ich das kalte kotzen Bekommen.
Glaube kaum das er dies gesagt haben wird...
@@edelanovic4713 Hitler doch bestimmt. Stalin ließ über den Korea Krieg einen ähnlichen Spruch los ich zitiere "Er (der Krieg) wird uns viele Menschen kosten aber davon haben wir ja genug
@@patrickneumann1245 Als wenn es heute anders aussehen würde.Warum gab es wohl eine BW Wehrpflicht, genau deshalb.
Selbst die Verweigern wollten wurden trotzdem gezogen. Und aktuell geht wieder alles in diese Richtung.
Im Ernstfall kann man sogar bis 65J wieder eingezogen werden.
@@patrickneumann1245da merkt man halt, das die Menschen nur "Material" für ihren Sieg waren, welche skrupellos geopfert wurden, selbst wenn klar war, dass man nicht mehr gewinnen kann... man wollte es nicht wahrhaben, auch wenn man dadurch viele Leben hätte retten können 😢😢 Das waren einfach egoistische und skrupellose Schweine ! 😢🤮
@@patrickneumann1245 Nein! Garantiert nicht! Ganz im Gegenteil. Nach Aussage seines Kammerdieners sagte er, dass so viel junges Blut sinnlos gefallen ist. Statt ein Großdeutsches Reich aufzubauen, mussten Generationen für diese Idee sterben.
Ich glaube da eher der Aussage des Kammerdieners, der immer an Hitlers Seite war, als einer Aussage im Film deren Quelle nicht sichtbar und daher nicht glaubwürdig ist
All because no one liked his little paintings….
Wenck tenía aproximadamente 18mil tropas atravesó Berlín para que los civiles pudieran escapar, al reunirse con el 9no ejército tenían 40mil soldados pero decidieron contactar a el ejercicio estadounidense para rendirse.
entre todos los soldados alemanes al final de la guerra no sumaban 100000 los que podian defender Berlín y Hitler queria que rodearan a 1.5 millones de rusos, totalmente loco y delirante estaba
Asi es, yo hubiera hecho exactamente lo mismo. Ya no tenia caso mas inútil derramamiento de sangre.
@@jackprescott9652 no solo eso si no que stalin mando a zhukov a flanquearlos por el norte y el sur, que se esperaba que intentaran un ataque asi, mientras konev tomaba berlin
@oskr152 not true. You had about 1 million in Italy, 100k in Norway, 100k in between Holland and Denmark and you had about 250k trapped in Latvia
@@starwarsraul13damn that's still a shit ton. Wonder why they didn't pull them all back for the defence of germany itself
2:26 onwards - I was expecting to hear a rusty hinge sound. 😜😂
same
like the way they rotated was so smooth XD
The way Weidling and Krebs just look at each other while Hitler is talking about Wenck.
Wenck will come, he says. It'll be fine he said. Steiner will attack, he said. Crazy.
Wenck will kommen
*wird nicht will
@@JohnKobaRuddy Das war ironisch gemeint von Satirical Gamer.
@@Stefan1978 an guten tagen kommt wenck sogar zweimal
@@suqmadique9762 😂
Translated: "Wenck wants to come" 🤣
cualquier cosa que se plantearan parecía un suicidio🤷🏻♂️
Kesalahan terbesar Hitler :
1. terlalu terburu-buru menyerang uni-soviet disaat britania raya belum berhasil dikuasai, bahkan menguasi pertempuran udara pun tidak
2. buruknya persiapan Sea Lion dimana Jerman tidak memiliki kapasitas angkutan laut yang memadai, bahkan tidak memiliki pasukan pendarat khusus semisal marinir atau SNLF sebagaimana yang dimiliki oleh Nippon
Yang paling fatal dari semua itu adalah Lack of Natural resources
or being a fascist and relying on made up racial politics to run an already shattered country
And we are all still waiting for Wenck to come.
1:46 "Hello, it's me" - Adolf Hitler, April 1945
el 12vo creo que ayudo al 9no y a los civiles a llevar a los heridos a escapar con los estadounidenses, mientras que zukhov les intentaba flanquear por el norte y el sur
0:53
Y eso pasa cuando dejas a un cabo de segundo clase jugar a ser el general.
thats what happens when you let a Nazi play at being a Leader of a Nation.
Weidling: Maximal ein bis zwei Tagen.
Hitler: wfwfwfwfwfwfw
Mohnke: Jawoll mein Führer
Der mit dem Bart hat mir Fentanyl verkauft
We ate the last chocolate donuts 😮😮😮
Pese a estar en la mierda, me sorprende que su logística haya sido decente en ese punto
Es que la logística es lo último que un ejército debe perder en una guerra... de hecho en el momento que tu logística se va al caño perdiste irremediablemente
Wenck gelemedi
wo ist Wenck🥸😒🤩😏?
Wo ist Wenck?
Er kommt noch
Der Mensch war verrückt.
Was wurde eigentlich aus diesem Wenck oder Weckewerk oder wie er hieß.
0:48 Gay Nigga Fine
@M. E. It just sounds like it. Someone made a 5 minute loop of it, but I think it was taken down.
🤣🤣
00:06
The translations are not good
Wäre ein grandioser Film, wäre Goebbels nicht so ne lächerliche Comicfigur. Schade eigentlich.
cela vojna a vyhra nemala trvať viac než 3 mesiace
Supper Soaker! What is that never heard of it
Erinner mich an dem Parlament von 2024
Übertriebener Akzent von Hitler. Sorry, aber zumindest in dieser Szene nicht gur gespielt.
Here you really can experience the silly overacting of Bruno Ganz. He speaks like Hitler did in his public speeches when he was in a rage but in normal conversation Hitlers voice was much softer (there are recordings). This way Ganz makes it look like a bad caricature of Hitler. Very bad acting actually and got praised for it all over. The Goebbels actor is superb, he should have gotten all the glory.
Hitler in his last 10 days wasnt his usual self
I'm guessing you're not that versed into the background of the movie, or don't speak german, but that point of how Hitler should be portrayed was heavily discussed and debated during the film's conception. If you watch the making-of the movie, you'll hear Bruno Ganz talk about that aspect a great deal. He and the team took into account various records, from written to actual witness testimonies, that shed some light on how he acted like in those final days. Plus they considered the public outlook on such a character as well (it's a fine line to tread if you're going to portray him). Plus this scene you're judging the actor's perfomance over was the pinnacle revelation that all counter-measures from the German army was truly exhausted and that Germany will certainly fall at that point. I can imagine the real life Hitler acting the way Ganz portrayed him. Also, not sure if you've seen the rest of the film, but there are quieter scenes with Hitler in them and he's quite soft spoken there, so it's natural that he'd be out of himself with rage at this scene and not as soft spoken as you'd like him to be. I feel your description would fit Inglorious Basterd's characterisation of Hitler better.
But I do agree that Goebbels, as well as the rest of the cast was phenomenal. It's just that Hitler is the titular character of the film and the driving force behind the entire movie, so it's natural that people would be focused on how he was portrayed.
@@kiwaminski I am German native speaker. Ganz was totally overrated for his performance. But I agree, I was exagerrating when i wrote "bad acting". It is not bad, but just not that good.
More like a director's mistake rather than the actor's
Hitler was completely stripped of energy by 1945, I think the movie strikes a healthy balance between the subtle loss of thought and responsive anger, we're only one step closer towards seeing a true portrayal of Hitler.