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Beechcraft Bonanza VS. Piper Lance - Which Is The Better 5 Seater?
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We are doing a new comparison for two of the best 5 seater airplanes in the industry. If you have about $100,000 budget to spend on your next airplane and you need to carry more passengers, The Beechcraft Bonanza and Piper Lance should be on your shortlist of airplanes.
Mission - Both aircraft are capable cross country machines with similar performance characteristics. The Bonanza will take you up to 700 miles while the Piper lance will take you up to 800 miles
Design - Which aircraft looks the best? well this really will depend on pilot and owner. Both airplanes are low wings with retractable landing hears. The piper lance will carry more load and it's got multiple doors for easy entry compared to the Beeachcraft Bonanza
Comfort - Which aircraft can carry all five people in best comfort and relaxation? This is a bit tough because the cabin space for both airplanes are quite roomy and spacious. Piper lance does have more seats (1 to 2 more seats than the bonanza). Although those back seats in the Lance are facing each other so you would have to share leg room. The Bonanza, has great features to provide ore leg room in the front. You are able to tuck away the rudder pedals on the right side. Also the Bonanza has standard front facing seats.
Performance - which is the best performing airplane? Beechraft Bonanza airplane has A Continental engine which has a power output of 280HP and allows the plane to cruise at 180 miles per hour. Whereas the Piper Lance uses a Lycoming engine with a power output of 300 horse power. This allows the aircraft to cruise at 165 miles per hour.
Purchase Price - Both aircraft in good condition will cost anywhere between $100,000 - $150,000
![Beechcraft Bonanza [what's with the V Tail? Is it Safe, is it really a Doctor Killer?]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/H-9hI2aDCkk/mqdefault.jpg)
Love my Bonanza and wouldn’t trade it for anything else! 😁
Mojo, Iove your videos! I have 15k+ hours in 50+ planes and I flew the Lance for LAB out of Juneau and Haines Alaska in the 1980s. Absolutely loved it! One time we shoved a full sized refrigerator into it and flew into the back country!
son of a gunski!.. I love Alaska... amazing how people adapt
This is such a Lance/Cherokee 6 story haha, awesome
Love the video, but some of the information is incorrect. At 58% power burning 11 gallons an hour, the BE 35 S model with an IO-520 travels at 175 mph. Turn the screw up and it cruses 200+ mph all day. The overhaul cost of the engine for both is off as well. It is $40K to $65K for either engine. Depending on rebuild or new. There is also aftermarket air conditioning available for the BE35. Most of the Lance planes I have seen do not have air conditioning to reduce cost and weight. Both are comfortable. Both are dangerous if the pilot is not trained properly. The Lance is a great hauling machine and handles like a truck. The Bonanza is nimbler by comparison. If hauling is important, like the family truck, get the Lance. If moving faster is important with a more sporty feel, Bonanza. Both are fantastic platforms and either is a great choice. And PLEASE keep the videos coming. I like it!!!
Need to consider A36 or B36 Bonanza comparison to Piper Lance. The A36, B36 carries 6 people. Also consider F33 with conventional tail
Agree. Lance is more comparable to 36 series. I own an A36 but never fly Lance. Might give it a try.
I like these comparison videos! Keep cranking them out!
Always rented the lance about 30 years ago. Great plane.
Bought a 77 Lance as my first, and unless I win the lottery my last airplane, and couldn’t be happier. A stable, long hauler with great useful load. The extra speed isn the Bonanza is negligible with average legs and the useful load and space is far better. It’s a Lance for me all day long
The V35 is more comparable to an Arrow... Gonna compare the lance you need to use the 36. Literally all of your Lance positives are done better in the comparable Bonanza
Ok, except the 36 is way more expensive. So that's not realistic
@@cpy They aren't though. Many 36's are just more built out than a Lance, its generally a much more capable airplane. An older 70's 36 will be priced right with the lance and would be a fair comparison
@@cpy there is a reason for that. If someone offered 50k and an exact same quality lance for my A36 it would be an immediate no.
Best tool for the job. I watched a guy stuff TWO snowmobiles in a Lance!
Excellent decomposition and comparison. I would compare differently with weights on the various factors you considered because performance is more important to me than the other things you considered. You are perfectly correct in your analysis, I just view things with a different lens.
Im so happy I found this channel! I'm no pilot, I've flown in a Piper Cherokee once, and a Hughes 500 helicopter twice. That's all, but I love airplanes and helicopters! I would love to get my pilot license, but I've always had eye problems so I don't think it would be safe.
talk to an ame (aviation medical examiner) and see what they have to say. you can even get a basic med.
The Bonanza is compared to a Piper very rigid build and the C version is also aerobatic and used by a lot countries as trainers both civil and military flight schools.
Hey Mike hope u and family are well. I think I'd have to stick to the beechcraft bonanza 🤜🤛
You are a true inspiration my Man! I'm a Pilot in training and am striving to do a lot of the same things you are!
Thank you for your videos. Very informative!
I would add some perspective having flown both and many others, fully loaded passengers and fuel for touring. Firstly the lance is just a Cherokee six with retracts!. The lance carries around 230 pounds more has way more room in the back and way more passenger friendly, around 10 to 15 knot slower than the bonanza, the bonanza which is really very cramped and a nightmare for passenger ingress and egress , you load it to the max with favourable winds and your just on 500 miles with VFR fuel reserves, the lance about 200 miles more, so around 700 miles, they really are anything but evenly matched for touring missions!. Best bang for the buck in my view for such missions is what I have now a Trinidad TB 20 gen two, 5 seats , 1,230 pounds useful load, roomy seats, and very passenger friendly, with air cond standard, 165 knot 75% power, cruise at 8000ft and in the flight levels 185 knot cruise, around 1100 mile range from a far more fuel efficient 250 horse power engine and the best IFR equipped platform out of any of them straight out of the box, far cheaper on maintenance and parts too. Finally I have no idea where you think you can get a performance six cylinder complete overhaul for around 25000 bucks, more realistically you are 40000 to 50000 bucks.
Like comparing white bread and corn bread. They are both bread (aircraft) but that is where the similarities end.
The comparison between these two aircraft ENDS when weight and balance comes into the picture. It isn't how many seats are in the aircraft, or what weight limits the baggage/cargo compartments are placarded for. It comes down to the combination of people, fuel, and baggage. What determines range? Fuel on board. How much FUEL can I take with six adults? How about six adults and 25lbs of baggage each (150lbs)? Is the best you're gonna realize an hour's worth of flight time? Does the aircraft even fall within the weight and balance envelope for takeoff? How about for landing? Fuel is the variable - therefore, fuel determines range. NOT the manufacturer's MARKETING numbers.
The Saratoga would have been a better comparison imho as the newer version of the PA32 Lance. I have a bunch of time flying the Lance/Saratoga, and will take the additional 6" of cabin width for elbow room any day over the Bo's 10kt advantage.
That's what I came here for, as the Saratoga's cabin width alone is what's selling it for me. Those rear seats look comfy as... 😮
Hi Mike 👋. I haven't see a video in a while. For once someone isn't trashing the Piper! I watched a guy stuff 2 snowmobiles into one! For simply carrying an enormous amount of stuff and staying within the CG envelope, you simply can't beat it! While I have not been able to fly a Bonanza it's for most,, the better flying airplane but again it depends on your mission. You forgot to mention the forward baggage area on the Piper. It's awesome!
Nice video, thanks again 👍.
Bonanza still my dream
Great comparison. I am looking at an Arrow 2 vs older Bonanza 470. Fuel a concern. Bonanza is faster but burns 12. Arrow 2 140 knots at 8gph. Fuel prices has thrown a wrench into everything.
MAGA 2024. Remember $3.50 Fuel. Democrats will kill GA. Vote like your love of flying depends on it. It does.
$8 a gal is killing GA
V-Tail Bonanzas are extremely difficult to fix if there is an issue with the ruddervators due to the magnesium skin that is used. There is no STC or PMA for a replacement skin and the material is nearly impossible to find. If a V-Tail Bonanza has its tails damaged, the aircraft is grounded unless the owner is lucky enough to locate a tail from a salvaged airplane.
C210 faster ,safer ,bigger ,longer range ,more all up weight, why would you consider a five seater?
V-tail Bonanza handling characteristics: you comments are not correct. I have operated as revenue earners, nearly all GA types including the two you focus on.
The only distinctive (non dangerous) feature inherent in the larger surface area* V tail surfaces, is fishtailing, predominantly in approach configuration. Bonanza series are 10-15 Kt faster in crz config on less power. The Piper exhibits dangerous characteristics at high alpha exacerbated by above~ISA operating environment.
It would have been fairer to use the Bonanza A36 model as closer in extended cabin volume and similar double rear door facility.
(*early series V tail had rear surface area 1/3 less.)
RANGE: range for fuel/payload will need examination - noting ZFW limitation of Lance.
Lance: with A/C - unfair point. Noting, under normal seat occupancy, air con unit scrapes tarmac surface in ground- operation extended position. Weight of the unit detracts from fuel/payload. Seating: club seating not universal, some had all facing forward with better leg room for all.
Engine: Lycoming = bulletproof. Continental IO-520 crack barrels frequently and descent planning ref engine CHT cooling rate is a constant consideration. Continental also require top overhaul @ approx 1,200 hr.
Check also, TBO both engine types AND SB ref wings falling off Piper types - multi-facted fracture points of front, rear spars and multiple gear bay points.
Great video but it would've been more akin to compare the F33 to an Arrow II or III. The lance/saratoga would've been more appropriate to compare to a A36 beechcraft. You also forgot to mention the fit and finish of a beehcraft is by far better than a lance as-well as it's flight characteristics. Beechcraft also tend to have a higher maintenance costs than the lance would.
He's comparing the same price point, which the A36 is not
good week to you bro
Why is this not a lance vs A36? I also do not see range as a big deal in slow planes. Most will never go 800 miles at 150 kt without a stop anyway.
Price
Good video! I never really thought about the Lance until you mentioned how it compares to a Bonanza. Nice comparison. Keep up the good work!
I love these comparison videos Mike. Keep'em coming.
That was like comparing an apple to a banana. A36 would have been more appropriate. Good advice on getting a prebuy prior. On V35, you are probably looking closer to $40K for an engine overhaul, not $25K. Further, the operating cost is going to be much higher on the V35 just because it's a Beechcraft.
Great Mike n I am Kishore!
Well done video, my friend. However, I was wondering: Are there any PA-32Rs out there for sale anymore? I see at least one of them completely destroyed in every monthly issue of NTSB Reports - usually two per issue. And as far as that goes, Bonanzas rank right up there also in total aircraft lost per month. Of course, I'm being facetious, but there does seem to be an alarming trend in PA32R crashes over the last two decades.
You forget that straight tail Bonanzas also have interconnected rudder and elevators - it's not unique to the V-tail.
A better comparison would be between the lance and the bonanza a36, not the bonanza 35 series. (both 6 pax with large cargo doors and club seating).
Bonanzas are more reliable but more expensive to fix/maintain-Pipers are cheaper + more comfortable.
The Lance has surprisingly poor glide ratio, some say 7:1, bonanza seems to be around 11:1. That probably accounts for the difference in speed and fuel burn. Might well be because the Lance cabin is more boxy, doesn't taper down immediately like the Bonanza does. Aero is soups important. Both are chunky old birds at about a ton. Not good for fuel. Why the Sling outperforms them. It weighs half although not retractable gear. Interestingly a Cirrus SR22 burns more fuel and weighs more than those old birds. That's actually a fail.
A Cadillac vs a Yugo. The bonanza being the Cadillac.
Very Nice!
Can't afford either of them anyway lol.
But if I could, I could hardly pick, both have their own pro's and cons and look good in their own way (the V tail looks soo classic tho)
What are their general differences in Take off?
Should be comparing the 36 and the Lance
Mike, love your videos. I'm a recently retired Army vet and hope to take up flight training next year. Your videos are very informative and you seem to be a pretty cool dude.
Any chance on covering an AN-2, and/or a YAK? IMHO there's something amazing about those planes. I think they can only be flown as "Exhibition" in US.
Can you do a "Split S" in your Sling? If I am fortunate enough to own a plane someday I would absolutely love to be able to do a Split S, I think:)
Keep up the great working Mike. You are much appreciated.
The Bo is faster: Beechcraft for the win!
50 years old maybe to a museum?
@@SKYLIMI Just because it's a bit faster, doesn't make it better. Speed is just one factor in deciding what aircraft is better suited for the individual.
Faster by a few knots. You’ll be shutting down and the Lance be on the downwind over a 500 mile flight
Oh! Forgot to ask, how's the TSI?
Missed the Comanche 400 ;)
V Tails are a vanity purchase, and a negative lottery ticket. If you can’t afford a 200k Bo, you can’t afford a 100k vtail.
Six seat pipers are decent planes for 4 adults. Just be realistic on whether you need more than 2 seats. I find the back seat gets used once every couple of years. Most people would be better off with a four seater. Buy for the mission you will use, not the one you want to use.
@Galileo7of9 No, but I see what you mean. In case you were not joking, my meaning was with a v tail, you are waiting to see if you spend big money rather than receive it.
I'd rather buy the Piper, it has A/C. I hate the heat!
Both planes are relatively difficult to fly. The Lance shown here has a conventional tail, which handles better than the t-tail. But overall the Lance doesn't handle very well, and it requires a lot of runway for takeoff/landing. The v-tail Bonanza is sporty and handles well in good weather, when the pilot can make corrections based on visual cues. A lot of v-tail accidents happen in IMC. Neither of these planes inspires confidence in turbulence. The turbo-powered Lance has overheating problems. I would pass on both of these planes and buy a 5 seat Navion Rangemaster, if you can find one.
The a36 is the comparable plane. The v35 is completely different
100%.
I guess if you can remove price....which in the real world you cannot
Show of hands: who would swap their Bonanza for a Lance even trade? I thought so…
ROFL..:))
🇯🇲 I dnt know much about planes but I'm thinking about getting into flying someday....how often should a plane overhaul their engine?
Most piston airplane engines recommend overhaul at 2000hrs, but some are as low as 1200. Also, the cost to overhaul the engines back to zero time in this video are now running about $50k plus accessories and propeller.
@@pierredoyon9283 really, so is it better to just buy an engine ?
@@nevilleg-baby9241 Yes, you could replace a worn out engine with a mid-time engine, but there is the cost of swapping them out and do you really know what you are getting? Look in Trade-a-Plane for engine prices and add for accessories, prop, and labor. Personally, I would go with the factory overhauled to zero-time engine.
@@pierredoyon9283 ok I see, nuff respect
@Widdy I think flying is a personal freedom
How much is the salary for a private pilot license?
About 6k-7k
Cost to get your private pilot certificate? Around $6k-$15k, tons of factors
that Lance looks like its a 200k airplane in todays market
Piper is the better choice. Piper has the conventional rudder and elevator, big side door, AC, and 100 miles additional range.
The V Tail is not five or six seater period. Great plane but you have to know the limitations. The Lance like its daddy the Cherokee Six is a load hauler but not very fast.
Fuel burn really depends on your engine turbo vs normal aspired. Lean vs rich of peak. I flew my A36 at 11-13.
What in a power off glide!!, no way do you load that thing up and burn less than 15 gals an hour north of a 160 knots, the figures you quote you would expect from a fully loaded 4 cylinder Cherokee or 172 cruising at 120 to 130 knots. 300 horsepower is the giveaway!!. and no, turbo normalizers do not have the fuel burn impact you allude too. Lean of peak/ rich of peak who cares, you lean for best performance and balanced egt,s everything else is smoke and mirrors.
Modern pistons do come with aircon
Love to see c172Rg vs piper arrow 28
a cessna wing is this high, a piper wing is this high, a mailbox on a country road is this high
Correction, Doctors are Bonanza Killers. Bonanza all the way, better built, faster, more efficient, and flies like a dream. Lance/Saratoga/Cherokee 6 is a truck.
Which is perfect for a family and their baggage 🧳
Your truck insult is a compliment to its design purpose.
@@Optimus-Prime-Rib I never said it as an insult, thats the way you took it. The below, however, is an insult. Please note the difference in statements.
Considering the Lance has roughly the same useful load as an A36 for a given trip , has more room, is faster, and Piper built quality is famously horrid, I'll remain firmly in the Bonanza camp.
Commanche 250 vs mooney
Lance for me. I like the extra room, and payload.
Mike
No comparison. The Piper Lance is a PIG. With even a modest load it will eat up energy inch of a 2500 ft runway on takeoff.
why compare two 50 yr old aeroplanes? there are a number of more modern planes out there however for $100K id buy a legend cub
piper cheaper marriage, banana is faster
Mike what is your email address
Beech model 35 - designed in 1945 and unchanged for 35 years! It isn’t called a Bonanza for nothing
👍☑️
No legroom, only people that would be comfortable are those with pipe cleaners for legs or amputees, I wouldn't own either one of them.
neither... ?... I am thinking Beech 18 Mike... family... hot rod.. no worries
450hp.. × 2... that's pretty good on a small airframe like that... it's got boosted pressure for high altitudes.. and I can fly around the World 🌎🎶.. still working on recovering from my long illness.. any day now... Mike... thanks for sharing your adventures 😊.. sell a few bro... it's good for you
A/C in a airplane like this is useless.
Most would probably agree
If you are in a hot climate and a busy airport it might be comfortable on the ground and low levels
@@rafiqsaid4297 i'm in south america, and we got used to it. As long as the engine is running and feel a light breeze from the prop it's good.
@@jeantsaiaviation My father had a Fuji Fa200-160 and on hot days you can slide the canopy open. Even during flight and gives a nice breeze .A/C is also lot of weight and exist out lot of parts so lot of extra costs too. But I'm from the steamclock age comfort was not so much important. Its a plane and not a car LOL today a plane must be like a luxery car
He knows so much of nothing actual. You can tell he's not an actual owner. He just searched retail sites and knows nothing at all. He should never purchase an aircraft.