these kind of videos, you on prison or phil on jeskai or storm are super educational, sometimes even better than the ones where you guys play the decks where you are more proficient at
Or maybe a funny video where he "inadvertently" matches into all of his friends. Like Phil r1, briant 2, Tony 3, etc... and just gets more and more exasperated as time goes
What I've learned from playing various red aggro/prison decks is that its usually not correct to play scared especially when your answer is narrow. Id think statistically you would have a much better chance of winning the last game of round 3 if you jammed the rabble as soon as the option was available. If you found a chalice on zero I think then its correct to hold up the counter because you have both of their main options in check
I know I had a joke comment before about your coming nuts, but I did want to say that I really appreciate you posting videos like this. I had a similar run with GW Maverick/Depths where it just felt as if all the decisions and gambles I made did not pay off in my favor and my opponents just drew the stone-cold nuts and I felt really bad about myself. Sometimes as Magic lovers we can become enamored with the results we see on Reddit, Twitter and Discord and try to use those results to draw comparisons about our own play. Of course, it's not beneficial for Magic content creators to post their underperforming leagues but as someone who is in their late 30's with two young children, I don't get the luxury to grind MTGO and a result I can get into some funks where it feels like even if I stacked the deck I couldn't win. It's nice to see that sometimes bad luck happens, and our decisions don't pan out. All this to say, thank you for showing that Magic is hard, and Legacy is also really hard. I appreciate the content as usual Brian.
Hard agree. Maybe not 4 like in this deck, but a few hearse in the main feels good because it's low isn't that bad. It's worst is usually a faerie macabre that can then be used as a disposable attacker, which avoids direct damage until crewed. It can be so much more too tho. It can be the stalemate breaker as it climbs in power, it can be the pseudo haste to push a harder aggro, it can be the stone cold nuts against a reanimate style deck, all with a no pip cost. I'd say I'm quite high on the card at the moment. It really feels decent in tempo, prison, and probably control too. Even in aggro you could do worse, though it's probably a better sideboard than main.
I play red prison from time to time (no other city deck) and honestly it's very hard to know when to send it and when to be wary. When I asked veterans of the deck, they operate mostly on feeling because it's hard to explain how do you know you gotta slam or hold a pyro. In Round 3 I think you made a perfectly fine choice, although I would keep the mountain because I value steady mana a lot. Then again, I sometimes lose exactly because your protected line turn 1 would have been better. My gut tells me you should tap 1 turn 1 and hope for the best, the same as you do with reanimator or other combo (you taught me that!) where you don't try to beat their nuts, just a normal game. I think not having thoughtseize or counters made you a bit too scared (I know it happens to me at least). Lovely league as always.
I think that at the end of the day, this deck is a risk taking deck. You can't play scared when you don't have a clock and don't have a prison piece that interacts favorably. You're on a clock against storm, you don't have the full sets of 3 balls, and you don't have any null rods, so you're put on a timer of them finding enough material to play around your blood moon. Sometimes, you need to go shields down to try and end the game, because you simply don't have the time to wait against storm or other fast decks that your lock pieces don't interact favorably with.
I agree with your assessment and I think you hit the head on why magic is such an awesome game. So much complexity in just one deck. This is often why deck specialists can really shine in certain meta games because they know these situations like the back of their hand.
48:37 this is a classic example on the big difference between mono red and control, you need to be willing to elbow tap and not play with the tempo mindset
Thoughts on the Hearse decision from a stompy player: I think the hearse is my choice against scalding tarn every time. Chances are it’s a tempo deck and hearse lines up incredibly well against all of them especially in game one right now. The power to hold off DRC and Murktide even if they are not Scamming is stronger than the moon. I haven’t seen many control lists running tarn so I’d always assume tempo. Hearse feels so good as a beater too. Just great to have in play forever. Not an expert.
The marches ive seen recently are kinda interesting. An uptick in storm, and between you and phil, ive seen more death and taxes in the past week than ive in months. As much as bowmasters kinda irks me as a viewer since it feels annoyingly centralizing, it definitely seems that the metagame its a part of is quite healthy. Did not think id be seeing D+T without some more innovations or something
I've been playing a lot of Red Prison as of late - really love the deck. I deviate slightly from the xJCloud 'stock' 75, but only by a couple of cards. Blood moon is so fun to cast hahah
Aye-Aye Captain! 😮ooooooooooooooo ....who lives in a 3-ball in Hammer Pass; Bosh and Roll does that.. who's sings fables of red moons and moxen does he; Bosh and Roll does that. If pirates, and goblin monkeys be something you wish; Bosh and Roll does that. Then chalice em out, watch em drown like a fish! Bosh and Roll does that, Bosh and Roll does that, Bosh and Rooooollllll doooes thaaaattt! (Nose whistle)
@@BoshNRoll the mana base is similar. im thesting the ring and i admit most of the times its the card u want. Works when run out of gas, typical in red prison, and works when opp wants to kill you next turn... then you draw bombardiers and kill opp with 2 + 6dmg XD
I don’t have strong opinions about that because neither are in my wheelhouse. Red Prison is more customizable if you know what’s going on in the meta, goblins is pretty set on doing one thing.
trinisphere is too good in red prison to only include one copy. also i think magus of the moon is worth the risk of being removed easier simply because it increases the clock. however, that is more matchup dependent.
Nobody can convince me 4 Hearse is better 3Ball in a format with an average CMC of 1.6. Hearse on t1 (which seems to be the point of 4) is a HORRIBLE play unless you are certain it matters vs 3Ball on t1 is always good and would have been way better than Hearse this entire league
You noob! You forgot the most important ingredient to having success with this deck, having ThrabenU's luck. No wonder you went 0-5 without having covered such a basic component!
While you did successfully get mismatched Blood Moons, you forgot to include white-border basics.
That was my mistake
for easy fetching
In paper I recommend foreign white border. Preferably a mix of languages
Lol! I will admit, I occasionally use my ‘4 season revised forests’ mismatch AND white border incoming!
@@aribdis portal3kingdom in japanese baby! all the way
these kind of videos, you on prison or phil on jeskai or storm are super educational, sometimes even better than the ones where you guys play the decks where you are more proficient at
"Let's keep the nuts coming." Best line I have ever heard. Audible chuckle for sure.
Classic to only run 1 trinisphere in the 75 and matchup against storm twice.
Omg, I just thought of a great april fools prank for BoshNRoll. He should upload a standard video and pretend he’s all a out standard content.
That would be really funny.
Or maybe a funny video where he "inadvertently" matches into all of his friends. Like Phil r1, briant 2, Tony 3, etc... and just gets more and more exasperated as time goes
What I've learned from playing various red aggro/prison decks is that its usually not correct to play scared especially when your answer is narrow. Id think statistically you would have a much better chance of winning the last game of round 3 if you jammed the rabble as soon as the option was available. If you found a chalice on zero I think then its correct to hold up the counter because you have both of their main options in check
I know I had a joke comment before about your coming nuts, but I did want to say that I really appreciate you posting videos like this. I had a similar run with GW Maverick/Depths where it just felt as if all the decisions and gambles I made did not pay off in my favor and my opponents just drew the stone-cold nuts and I felt really bad about myself. Sometimes as Magic lovers we can become enamored with the results we see on Reddit, Twitter and Discord and try to use those results to draw comparisons about our own play. Of course, it's not beneficial for Magic content creators to post their underperforming leagues but as someone who is in their late 30's with two young children, I don't get the luxury to grind MTGO and a result I can get into some funks where it feels like even if I stacked the deck I couldn't win. It's nice to see that sometimes bad luck happens, and our decisions don't pan out. All this to say, thank you for showing that Magic is hard, and Legacy is also really hard. I appreciate the content as usual Brian.
OMG…did I just hear a Chowder reference of “Rabble rabble rabble rabble” in this one. Dang…respect!
2 hearse main has been amazing in my ancient tomb decks! Happy to see the tech is getting out there
Hard agree. Maybe not 4 like in this deck, but a few hearse in the main feels good because it's low isn't that bad. It's worst is usually a faerie macabre that can then be used as a disposable attacker, which avoids direct damage until crewed. It can be so much more too tho. It can be the stalemate breaker as it climbs in power, it can be the pseudo haste to push a harder aggro, it can be the stone cold nuts against a reanimate style deck, all with a no pip cost.
I'd say I'm quite high on the card at the moment. It really feels decent in tempo, prison, and probably control too. Even in aggro you could do worse, though it's probably a better sideboard than main.
Going Back a few years with this one! Refreshing to see no sticker gobbo lol
Yea. I honestly like mtgo version of sticker goblin better tbh, but I'm also glad there isn't one in this deck.
Thanks for playing the deck! It did give me some things to think about.
I play red prison from time to time (no other city deck) and honestly it's very hard to know when to send it and when to be wary. When I asked veterans of the deck, they operate mostly on feeling because it's hard to explain how do you know you gotta slam or hold a pyro.
In Round 3 I think you made a perfectly fine choice, although I would keep the mountain because I value steady mana a lot. Then again, I sometimes lose exactly because your protected line turn 1 would have been better. My gut tells me you should tap 1 turn 1 and hope for the best, the same as you do with reanimator or other combo (you taught me that!) where you don't try to beat their nuts, just a normal game.
I think not having thoughtseize or counters made you a bit too scared (I know it happens to me at least).
Lovely league as always.
I think that at the end of the day, this deck is a risk taking deck.
You can't play scared when you don't have a clock and don't have a prison piece that interacts favorably.
You're on a clock against storm, you don't have the full sets of 3 balls, and you don't have any null rods, so you're put on a timer of them finding enough material to play around your blood moon.
Sometimes, you need to go shields down to try and end the game, because you simply don't have the time to wait against storm or other fast decks that your lock pieces don't interact favorably with.
I agree with your assessment and I think you hit the head on why magic is such an awesome game. So much complexity in just one deck. This is often why deck specialists can really shine in certain meta games because they know these situations like the back of their hand.
48:37 this is a classic example on the big difference between mono red and control, you need to be willing to elbow tap and not play with the tempo mindset
Can you expand on what you mean by this? I think you are on to something profound here but I don't know what you are saying.
1:05:48 to keep the Boshisms coming.
bosh pack bosh pack smoke the pack its loaded up with beans and blood moons too anything opponents play we smoke em out even without blue
Thoughts on the Hearse decision from a stompy player: I think the hearse is my choice against scalding tarn every time. Chances are it’s a tempo deck and hearse lines up incredibly well against all of them especially in game one right now. The power to hold off DRC and Murktide even if they are not Scamming is stronger than the moon. I haven’t seen many control lists running tarn so I’d always assume tempo. Hearse feels so good as a beater too. Just great to have in play forever.
Not an expert.
Not the r4 existential crisis
exactly half aggro and half control monoR prison really is one pure-blood tempo strategy
4 unlicensed hearse in the main deck is WILD. I love it though cuz i think that card is super good
The marches ive seen recently are kinda interesting. An uptick in storm, and between you and phil, ive seen more death and taxes in the past week than ive in months. As much as bowmasters kinda irks me as a viewer since it feels annoyingly centralizing, it definitely seems that the metagame its a part of is quite healthy. Did not think id be seeing D+T without some more innovations or something
I heard KoRn in my head. I forget what song starts with those words.
I've been playing a lot of Red Prison as of late - really love the deck. I deviate slightly from the xJCloud 'stock' 75, but only by a couple of cards.
Blood moon is so fun to cast hahah
mountain, blood moon, keep doesn't have the same ring to it
I think your keep vs Storm was fine, though I would have more Trinisphere in the seventy five.
The second match I probably would have kept your last seven card hand with chalice on zero and one mana source away from the lock of blood moon.
I would have tapped out of the red blast to play the threat, though I may then have died.
Let's keep the nuts coming 😂😂
GOOD MORNING NEEEEEEERDS
Aye-Aye Captain!
😮ooooooooooooooo ....who lives in a 3-ball in Hammer Pass; Bosh and Roll does that..
who's sings fables of red moons and moxen does he; Bosh and Roll does that.
If pirates, and goblin monkeys be something you wish; Bosh and Roll does that.
Then chalice em out, watch em drown like a fish!
Bosh and Roll does that, Bosh and Roll does that, Bosh and Rooooollllll doooes thaaaattt!
(Nose whistle)
ppl should play the one ring in red prison lists... im testing it and its SO strong!
I’ve seen it in a lot of goblins lists!
@@BoshNRoll the mana base is similar. im thesting the ring and i admit most of the times its the card u want. Works when run out of gas, typical in red prison, and works when opp wants to kill you next turn... then you draw bombardiers and kill opp with 2 + 6dmg XD
So is red prison stompy worse than goblins in your opinion?
I don’t have strong opinions about that because neither are in my wheelhouse. Red Prison is more customizable if you know what’s going on in the meta, goblins is pretty set on doing one thing.
trinisphere is too good in red prison to only include one copy. also i think magus of the moon is worth the risk of being removed easier simply because it increases the clock. however, that is more matchup dependent.
yup!
IMO, Goblins > Initiative > Prison in the current metagame
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The deck megumin would play
F&%K YAH I'M REDY!
Zero views lets fix that
First
Nobody can convince me 4 Hearse is better 3Ball in a format with an average CMC of 1.6. Hearse on t1 (which seems to be the point of 4) is a HORRIBLE play unless you are certain it matters vs 3Ball on t1 is always good and would have been way better than Hearse this entire league
You noob! You forgot the most important ingredient to having success with this deck, having ThrabenU's luck. No wonder you went 0-5 without having covered such a basic component!
Pls dont get back to Legacy It u own tombs
Bosh I have done no work on red prison I want do work on red prison. I hate playing aginist this deck