Hi a little recommendation, at the start of the video you state that the planet does not exist. This is kind of misleading to people who might have clicked off the video very quickly. Saying something such as "does not exist as is shown by pictures in other videos" gives people a more clear and better understanding. Sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but it's probably best to clarify such stuff especially in an age where the internet is filled with click bait instead of full statements giving the full idea
I'd say the idea of "planet with enormous rings" is what provided the initial hook to J1407b. Saturn's rings are beautiful, imagine a planet with rings many times larger than Saturn's. And the problem only grew from there
Yeah It's cool that J1407b may be forming planets But goddamnit the "Lord of the Rings" myth is way to cool for me not to believe it even if It's been disproven
yeah, the idea that a planet that has rings as wide as distance from sun to earth would make imagination run wild and a good source for sci-fi stories.
@@Dreidelium”Maybe the real [treasure] was the friends we made along the way” is a meme. The “friends” part of the phrase is not referring to the “[treasure]” noun (here J1407b), but the supposed connection people have made surrounding it.
In my opinion, the fact that j1047b is actually just a rogue brown dwarf that just so happened to pass by a star for us to see, is such an absurdly miniscule occurance for us to even see, and I will ALWAYS find that cooler than the weird science fiction belief of it having comicallly large rings.
@@tessabakker662 it is an event which is over quick. yeah its cool but the celestial bodies involved arent that special its just a constellation. a planet with such rings on the other hand is there much longer and also extremely rare if not impossible
A lie gets halfway around the world, starts families, and becomes intergrated into multiple societies while the truth is twitching on the ground and foaming at the mouth.
@@chistinelaneYou know who i think would have ALSO said that after hearing Churchill? May be fictional, but Cave Johnson would have DEFINITELY said that
I’m honestly getting tired of people saying “J1407b doesn’t exist at all” and I once got somewhat irritated because of it and I just wanna go with J1407b being a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk which is just as fucking cool as a planet with giant rings imo bc I don’t give a shit what j1407b is
J1407b does indeed exist, and is either a large rogue gas giant or an unbound brown dwarf, which has either a large ring system or a circumplanetary disk. The rings were never debunked, but it’s debatable whether it’s a proper ring system a la Saturn, or whether it’s a disk where planetary formation occurs. Either way, the title of this video is misleading to say the least. Much of the object’s original description remains unchanged or at least not falsified, besides it being thought to orbit the star V1400 Centauri
@@tf2scoutpunch175 It's funny, when I google it with chrome I get "J1407b is an exoplanet with a ring system 200x bigger than the rings of Saturn.." as the wikipiedia preview. When I search it with Brave, I get "In 2007, J1407 was observed to be eclipsed and possibly orbited by at least one major body, 1SWASP J1407b (shortened as J1407b). J1407b is thought to be either a large gas giant planet or a brown dwarf with an immense ring system. Subsequent observations have not successfully detected J1407b, suggesting that it may be on a highly eccentric orbit around the star, or that it is a rogue object that coincidentally transited V1400 Centauri."
@@tf2scoutpunch175 yes, which is not saying "it does not exist", or "it does not have rings" etc. Especially when NASA themself says the wrong info, and there's hundreds of results backing up what most people have already heard and flooding out the truth, of course people will still believe the myth. That was the point of the video. But shortened. Which was the point of OP's comment :p
I think you're right, I was confused after hearing about J1407b for the first time, because a collision of moons is not enough to form such a huge ring
J1407b is 433.8 light-years away from earth, and if you look hard look at the direction its star is and you might just see the thin ring blocking the light. Edit: Also, J1407b has a ring system with a radius of 120 million kilometers (200x bigger than Saturn's rings)
@AmongUs_TordVids you can’t see j1407b or it’s star without a very powerful telescope, and you for sure wouldn’t be able to see the rings it also doesn’t orbit its star because it’s not a planet
@mostkurdishkurd2 probably a bunch of goons who didn't even bother to have little good time in their lives by watching the video if they wanna get smarter lol
@rikk319 Secure Contain Protect It's a pretty interesting Fandom but I don't really know how to explain the media itself, just a fictional agency protecting the world from seeing anomalies
@@rikk319 ***Special Containment Procedures (my bad) The acronym means "Secure. Contain. Protect." It's associated with the SCP Foundation, a fictional secret organization that captures fictional monsters/anomalous objects to protect humanity. The anomalies are also called SCP.
Kyplanet, you should really edit the Wikipedia page related to J1407b! It's the primary way that I know about it, and usually the editors fix errors pretty quickly, so I expect it to be fairly accurate. If it's refuted, Wikipedia should be clear about the current information!
Give this guy a medal for telling us that this "planet" was not a planet, i thought it has the biggest rings, i respect this guy with my most distinguished respect, very good
When it comes to things that have less of an impact in the regular person's life, such as astronomy, this issue is really not much of a problem. Sure there are flat-enthusiasts and most likely always will be some small number of them, and the extreme casual "I-F*CKING-LOVE-SCIENCE" Facebook page types, but the real issue is in the scientific fields that do have a larger impact on everyday lives - like medical science. And the larger issue isn't just misinformation, it's the insane anti-scientific-process view held by people in high and mighty positions that say you cannot have any questions about what they're telling you, and any attempt to push against that being labeled as "anti-science" when science is the process of asking questions and making observations, putting it overly simply. That is what has driven a mistrust between the average people and institutions. The misinformation online about exoplanets and AI generated nonsense about faraway systems is annoying, but not really the root of the problem of mistrust in the lab coats so to speak.
@@trashjash Nope, all scientific misinformation is bad, as it casts doubt on scientific authority as a whole And your second point is pure pseudoscientific talking point. No, you cannot "push" against established science - that's the role of scientists, if something doesn't stand up against scrutiny it will be relaced by a better alternative. If you're not a scientist in a given field, listen to the consensus and don't question it - you have no right to put your ideas on the same level as established knowledge. Science is not dogma
@@trashjash If a famous scientist/engineer/whatever says climate change is false or that vaccines don't work and that pushing against what they said is "anti-science" due to their position then that is quite simply a fallacy. However, that doesn't mean that you can go directly against the scientific consensus for something purely because you feel like it, asking questions due to your ignorance on the subject and thinking you are doing "real science" by doing so is what makes people become anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and a bunch of other conspiracy groups. I'm just saying this due to the fact that someone acting like the previous paragraph described can quite easily end up believing themselves to be doing "science" with such things, your comment maybe even reassuring them.
6:47 The Nasa communication issue part reminded be that if you search for Uranus and go to pictures, one of the first images is Neptune because that's the main image for the article.
Another problem is that people misunderstand what science is truly all about. A lot of it isn't supposed to be established and irrefutable information. It is subject to change based on further discoveries. The more people catch on to this, the better.
I'm so glad you debunked this myth. I even included J1407b in my new MIBU space facts video that I made. Thank goodness you came out to debunk this myth.
HD100546b had a yt short recently where it was all flashy and said 752x the mass of Jupiter.. all the comments pointed out how this would be a star. Its interesting you revive this conversation on exoplanet misinformation now and will be on the lookout
Of course, I also had a doubt that such exoplanet having 752 Jovian masses exist, because the upper limit of a brown dwarf is about 75 or 80 Jovian masses...
Easy. It's cool. The universe is vast, horrifying and fascinating. It's fun to think about something so completely bizarre and nonsensical but still theoretically possible. Even if it's not scientific, it's still fun to imagine concepts like J1407b. I don'k really believe it exists, in fact I was always doubtful. But even I can appreciate how it would have fit into the strange beauty of our universe.
@@Sigma_skibidi100 They are an online mental health provider that has sold customer data. Any creator pushing them at a minimum doesn’t do due diligence and at worst they know and do not care. I found this channel after leaving Astrum
I remember hearing about J1407 when I was like nine or ten and still wanted to be an astronomer (Mind you, I was born in 2007, so the information wasn’t outdated back then). I’m 17 now and it’s really cool hearing an update on this, even if I have given up on any scientific career. Thanks for reminding me of an old childhood passion, Kyplanet. I know you said you felt like you weren’t making a dent, but you are. Grains of sand are just hard to see.💛💛💛
I'm glad videos like this exist, I was here on the very first video and saw everything go down and I can only imagine how hard it must've been to handle the amount of misinformation and people misinterpreting the video in the comments. As someone majoring in Astrophysics I see so much clickbait about exoplanets and interstellar objects and it sucks. Thank you dude ur a rlly great channel I look forward to what you'll do Also imo a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk transiting a star is a rlly cool event (and incredibly rare) and is so much cooler than a planet with big rings
I ran simulations on J1407b and its ring system in Universe Sandbox. Even considering a retrograde motion of the rings, there is no way it's ring system remains stable at all after several years, let alone 16 million years
I haven't known this even since it was unconfirmed... Now i know! This is a very informative video, and your channel is very underrated! It's great that you talk about all the misinformation, for the greater good of the public, and sharing the truth. You're not afraid to speak about controversial topics, and thats great!
Occam’s razor. 1: “J1407b is not a planet, and its rings are a protoplanetary disk. We were wrong.” 2: “ERM ITS ACTUALLY A PLANET WITH RINGS OUTSIDE OF THE ROCHE LIMIT AND OUR THEORY SURROUNDING THE ROCHE LIMIT IS FLAWED AND WE WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT BUT ITS STILL A GAS GIANT WITH RINGS EVEN THOUGH NOTHING WE HAVE PROVES THAT AND AND AND-“
On the topic of disproven exoplanets I recommend you make a video on Kepler 70b and c, since some believe theyre some of the hottest exoplanets known, while the data used to explain their existence could instead be caused by stellar activity
Man, you're telling me the vinyl disc planet isn't real? Bummer. I was looking forward to hooking up a record player to it and playing the heaviest metal of the universe.
I mean, J1407b is technically real, but isn't as to what many people were expecting. (I say technically, because we've only seen it once and that was it. It hasn't been observed since 2007.)
Considering how massive the universe is (potentially infinite for all we know), there is a good chance that there is a planet exactly like it somewhere in the cosmos.
@@TrueSavage555impossibly infinite* The universe is confirmed to be expanding and if its really infinite (infinite is a concept that means endlessity) then something endless cant extend as its already endless
That's a good call. All of the spherical objects that don't quite qualify for planet status would be an interesting subject to explore. An upload exploring Ceres,Pluto,Charon and Eris among others would definitely be a fascinating watch.
@@T11235 Definitely! I think that the objects that don't have enough mass to become spherical would be worth devoting a separate episode to so as to fully do them justice. There's so much going on in the Asteroid Belt and the Kuiper Belt. An in depth look at some of these smaller objects would definitely be something I'd be interested in watching. Good shout mate.
@@Nightmarionne-FNaF such planet also might not exist at all because such big rings will form moons sense its not in the roche limit and how would rings get into orbit so far away. its just like the green star, people think it exist because of how big the universe is, but it doesnt exist and never will (unless its in our dreams ofc)
Another thing is when scientists are wrong about something, people will blame them for getting it wrong. But that’s how science works, NASA will get tons of things wrong, and much of the time they’re the ones calling themselves out for it. A bad scientist isn’t one that gets things wrong after observation, but one that refuses to admit they were wrong.
Your commentary on the dismal state of science communication today is absolutely spot on. Another reason which I think also explains the amount of garbage floating around on the internet these days is that the institutions that sponsor these studies sometimes do exaggerate their findings, not in the papers themselves but, for example, press conferences, because they need to sound like they made a breakthrough for the grant money.
I've been a fan of astronomy all of my life and have obviously followed a lot of space channels. I've only recently found your channel but I subscribed instantly because I like to see counter-arguments for just about everything.
Huh, that video on the front page at 9:01 looks a bit similar to another video I’ve seen before. What was the name of the person who first made it? It was like Kyplanet or something…
A while ago, I saw one of the videos from 8:48 pop up in the recommended feed. It was saying that "NASA says that Mt. Saint Helens suddenly went to a 300% chance of eruption; we're all going to die." I had to laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of such a statement.
It’s great to see the spread awareness on the fake science communication channels. I used to be a semi regular viewer did a couple of them until ridiculous claims were being pushed that I knew were not true from watching Cool Worlds. Props getting the real knowledge out there!
it’s basically impossible to have a planet have ring almost as long as 1 AU unless it’s mass is absolutely so massive that the roche limit extends farther than 50x the planet’s size which is practically impossible
I've been spreading the truth about J1407b for about 2 years in the Russian side of the internet, and I hope I've made a little difference. I'm still doing it, thank you for your video!
There is a LOT of what I call “Fake astronomy UA-cam” out there that perpetuate that kind of stuff. Thank you for debunking it too. Stuff like this is only good for actual astronomy.
great video! what made me really notice how prevalent this theatrics is was how we kept getting people in the SE community joining and then learning that J1407b is not gravitationally bound to J1407
This video explains some issues with the internet at large very well. There are many examples of things like J1207b, myths against which obvious proof is held, yet the general population continues to believe in the myth. In English phonetics (the study of language) the vowel in "moon" is frequently regarded as [u(ː)] in major dialects like SSB (Standard Southern British) or General American, though it's much more commonly pronounced more like [ʉu̯]. The fact that the vowels in "see" and "moon" are frequently regarded as monophthongs (a vowel that doesn't glide in the vowel space during pronunciation) despite their identity as diphthongs (a vowel that glides significantly to another position) having been known for CENTURIES, is a testament to the phenomenon of people blindly regurgitating what others have told them, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and the general public blindly believing such falsehoods.
Very late comment so I doubt you’ll see it but I just wanted to say that this is an excellent video, I hadn't seen any of your content before so clicking on it I expected it to be just a quick “fun fact: this popular depiction of a planet is inaccurate, bye” but you really used this example perfectly as an avatar for the main problems with modern science communication. Very direct, clearly explained and easy to follow points. I also really appreciate the whole level-headedness of the video, such a good contrast to precisely the kind of attitude you talked about. In regards to the planet I use to spent hours marveling at it in space engine but to save a little bit of my ego I was always suspicious that it’s rings were probably way to large to be gravitationally stable and the whole planet was probably based purely on speculation, I’m a bit proud to see my instincts were right. Anyways, great video all around, I’m glad to have found it.
Thank you for this. I also despise AI generated trash, but I can't seem to make people realize they're being fed nonsense while incentivizing those channels to produce more disinformation. Great video!
Did you not watch the video? He literally explains exactly why you don’t find anything online. Because people exaggerate and perpetuate false information to captivate each other.
Great video. I can agree with a lot of things about news-websites, people on the internet and sometimes creators spreading misinformation (some by mistake). I am a wikipedia editor from time to time. I mainly do update outdated astronomy-related articles and sometimes create articles about objects that did not make the news, but that I still find interesting. I hope that helps to reduce some of the misinformation.
I like this channel because it gives facts about planets and doesn’t just say that a planet is habitable because it’s earth sized and in the habitable zone.
I kinda called it I mean, what kind of a planet has rings so wide comoared to its size? That tiny planet relative to ring size must be some dense objects to have such a string gravity to have wide ringa
Commenting to boost engagement 🙏 Thank you so much for delving into this misunderstood brown dwarf and the misinformation surrounding science communication in astronomy in general. Some people might be disappointed, but the truth is more important than any fiction, and we cannot let what we _want_ to see cloud what is right in front of our eyes.
10:00- isn't telling the creators of fake information to stop a form of Engagement? And if it's making them money, it's highly unlikely that they will stop. Milo (from the Miniminuteman channel) did a similar expose of a Tik Tok Channel churning out easily debunkable pseudoarchaeology, and said pretty much the same thing.
Why do we even bother looking at red stars? Shouldnt we be focusing on orange stars and yellow stars like ours? I think we should do that and then find actual plausible candidates for habitable worlds
@@ejosjek52.87 yea but if theyre always going to have dead worlds why even bother looking at them if we want to find worlds like earth? Orange stars are way better.
@@lv1543 M-star planets could potentially harbor life, they don't have to be dead. 90% of stars are M-type and planets orbit them very closely which makes them easier to observe afaik
Hello, I am a creator who has made videos on the J1407b myth before, heres my story I never knew it was false until 2 days after i made my initial video. I was looking for tons of ideas because Space Engine content was new on my channel instead of planetary collisions and I made a video on J1407b, I eventually made a video where its the most famous space objects, and I debunk some myths. Most of us do not mean to cause any harm.
Alien conspiracy theories are already forming about voyager 1, one vocal minority is saying that the government is trying to start a war by making up a fake species that launched a probe
i absolutely cannot believe that people call google a source of information. it’s like taking a book that you did research on and putting it into a backpack, then when asked where you got the research from you say that it came from your backpack.
The weirdest thing about this is that rings are usually formed by an object falling into the Roche limit of a planet, but how big does J1407b’s Roche limit have to be?
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Hi a little recommendation, at the start of the video you state that the planet does not exist. This is kind of misleading to people who might have clicked off the video very quickly. Saying something such as "does not exist as is shown by pictures in other videos" gives people a more clear and better understanding. Sorry if this sounds a bit stupid but it's probably best to clarify such stuff especially in an age where the internet is filled with click bait instead of full statements giving the full idea
@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164 you’ve commented this several times on this video alone, and on pretty much all my other videos
give it a rest man
If you have an opinion then stay with it don’t listen to the hate comments they just can’t accept the truth
@@Kyplanet893 He needs psychiatric help, a quick view of his channel shows a lot of signs of schizophrenia or rather pure delusion
It would be great if there was an add on like a blocker to stop the fake A.I. generated videos coming into my feed.
I'd say the idea of "planet with enormous rings" is what provided the initial hook to J1407b. Saturn's rings are beautiful, imagine a planet with rings many times larger than Saturn's. And the problem only grew from there
Yeah It's cool that J1407b may be forming planets
But goddamnit the "Lord of the Rings" myth is way to cool for me not to believe it even if It's been disproven
To be completely honest "J1407b" and its rings look kinda goofy
yeah, the idea that a planet that has rings as wide as distance from sun to earth would make imagination run wild and a good source for sci-fi stories.
Maybe the real J1407b was the friends we made along the way
why is there an "s" to friend? you are talking about one thing bro
*you specifically said one thing, not many
@@Dreidelium the scientist team that discovered it wasn't just a single person tho
@@Dreidelium”Maybe the real [treasure] was the friends we made along the way” is a meme. The “friends” part of the phrase is not referring to the “[treasure]” noun (here J1407b), but the supposed connection people have made surrounding it.
@@DreideliumThat doesnt make sense
Cackled
J1407b just got the biggest nerf in history💀
not really, it's probably a fucking star
@@tygical a fucking brown dwarf*
Bro was promoted from planet to star, how was that a nerf?
@@chombus2602 Lore nerf
And people are complaining about pluto
In my opinion, the fact that j1047b is actually just a rogue brown dwarf that just so happened to pass by a star for us to see, is such an absurdly miniscule occurance for us to even see, and I will ALWAYS find that cooler than the weird science fiction belief of it having comicallly large rings.
na rings go brrr
@@extazy9944ok
but the chances of a *rogue* brown dwarf *transiting* a star are crazy low.
@@cheesenuggets. sure i just dont think its as cool
@@extazy9944 With the amount of empty space that exists between unrelated stars? I think that's pretty amazing.
@@tessabakker662 it is an event which is over quick. yeah its cool but the celestial bodies involved arent that special its just a constellation. a planet with such rings on the other hand is there much longer and also extremely rare if not impossible
excellent "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." Churchill
A lie gets halfway around the world, starts families, and becomes intergrated into multiple societies while the truth is twitching on the ground and foaming at the mouth.
ironically invented by Jonathan Swift.
@@chistinelane why did you describe the truth like that💀
Lmaoo@@win18512
@@chistinelaneYou know who i think would have ALSO said that after hearing Churchill?
May be fictional, but Cave Johnson would have DEFINITELY said that
so from my understanding, J1407b exists but it doesn't have rings and it isn't a planet, it's a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk
Correct
from a planet like an angel to a star looks like shit is insane
I’m honestly getting tired of people saying “J1407b doesn’t exist at all” and I once got somewhat irritated because of it and I just wanna go with J1407b being a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk which is just as fucking cool as a planet with giant rings imo bc I don’t give a shit what j1407b is
J1407b does indeed exist, and is either a large rogue gas giant or an unbound brown dwarf, which has either a large ring system or a circumplanetary disk. The rings were never debunked, but it’s debatable whether it’s a proper ring system a la Saturn, or whether it’s a disk where planetary formation occurs.
Either way, the title of this video is misleading to say the least. Much of the object’s original description remains unchanged or at least not falsified, besides it being thought to orbit the star V1400 Centauri
It's _possibly_ a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk.
I feel like I just learned Santa isn’t real
Santa isnt real?
@@GoofySniperCameraman he is, that's why op said "like" to showcase the hypothetical.
Someone's innocence was saved in this reply section
@@GoofySniperCameramanhe is real
@@GoofySniperCameramanhe is real,i saw him. Some researchers also discovered his hideout at north pole.
Short answer is because googling j1407b doesn't give any results that it doesn't exist.
It does? Literally the first wikipedia preview from it says its a brown giant.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922😐
@@tf2scoutpunch175 It's funny, when I google it with chrome I get "J1407b is an exoplanet with a ring system 200x bigger than the rings of Saturn.." as the wikipiedia preview.
When I search it with Brave, I get "In 2007, J1407 was observed to be eclipsed and possibly orbited by at least one major body, 1SWASP J1407b (shortened as J1407b). J1407b is thought to be either a large gas giant planet or a brown dwarf with an immense ring system. Subsequent observations have not successfully detected J1407b, suggesting that it may be on a highly eccentric orbit around the star, or that it is a rogue object that coincidentally transited V1400 Centauri."
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 what?
@@tf2scoutpunch175 yes, which is not saying "it does not exist", or "it does not have rings" etc.
Especially when NASA themself says the wrong info, and there's hundreds of results backing up what most people have already heard and flooding out the truth, of course people will still believe the myth.
That was the point of the video. But shortened. Which was the point of OP's comment :p
This actually makes a lot more sense than what you see when you look up “how does j1407b have such big rings.”
I think you're right, I was confused after hearing about J1407b for the first time, because a collision of moons is not enough to form such a huge ring
@@Countryballsandstuff999its rlly dense more than jupiter when it was forming it proball took all the gas and the remaining became rings
J1407b is 433.8 light-years away from earth, and if you look hard look at the direction its star is and you might just see the thin ring blocking the light.
Edit: Also, J1407b has a ring system with a radius of 120 million kilometers (200x bigger than Saturn's rings)
@AmongUs_TordVids you can’t see j1407b or it’s star without a very powerful telescope, and you for sure wouldn’t be able to see the rings
it also doesn’t orbit its star because it’s not a planet
@@TawananyashaMukanhairi once again, it's most likely not a planet, and it doesn't have rings
So it is actually a brown dwarf with rings that will eventually form planets.
How is that not way cooler than before?
i think that's really cool
Cool is subjective but I appreciate it.
@@Arvinax-29 ?
@@PseudoShork Read it again.
@@Arvinax-29 still confused
J1407bians copyright strike this video
shut up
@mostkurdishkurd2 probably a bunch of goons who didn't even bother to have little good time in their lives by watching the video if they wanna get smarter lol
@mostkurdishkurd2WOAAAAAHH
@mostkurdishkurd2Woah calm down buddy we can’t use the J1407B word here
LOL
"J1407B doesn't exist"
Sounds like some SCP article lmao
"It is a memetic agent implemented to make you not investigate the foundation."
The whole assurance in this whole video that it isnt a planet makes it sound like an scp
It would help if you didn't use an acronym, I have no idea what SCP means.
@rikk319 Secure Contain Protect
It's a pretty interesting Fandom but I don't really know how to explain the media itself, just a fictional agency protecting the world from seeing anomalies
@@rikk319 ***Special Containment Procedures (my bad)
The acronym means "Secure. Contain. Protect."
It's associated with the SCP Foundation, a fictional secret organization that captures fictional monsters/anomalous objects to protect humanity. The anomalies are also called SCP.
Kyplanet, you should really edit the Wikipedia page related to J1407b! It's the primary way that I know about it, and usually the editors fix errors pretty quickly, so I expect it to be fairly accurate. If it's refuted, Wikipedia should be clear about the current information!
The Wikipedia article for the star even says that the planet may not even exist
@@grumpydixie1645 or may be unbound to the star, in which I think it is.
@@YnossZaperator I think so too, If the planet or brown dwarf did orbit the star I think we would've detected it's gravitational pull on it by now
@@grumpydixie1645 ORR the orbit is very elliptical
Wikipedia cannot be trusted for anything. No one should even use the website anymore
Give this guy a medal for telling us that this "planet" was not a planet, i thought it has the biggest rings, i respect this guy with my most distinguished respect, very good
I'm bouta explode
@@WorkingLightBulbambatubass!!!
@@sialmeckerjr buss
Well this certainly sucks, I had no idea there was a misinformation problem of such proportions in the scientific community.
When it comes to things that have less of an impact in the regular person's life, such as astronomy, this issue is really not much of a problem. Sure there are flat-enthusiasts and most likely always will be some small number of them, and the extreme casual "I-F*CKING-LOVE-SCIENCE" Facebook page types, but the real issue is in the scientific fields that do have a larger impact on everyday lives - like medical science.
And the larger issue isn't just misinformation, it's the insane anti-scientific-process view held by people in high and mighty positions that say you cannot have any questions about what they're telling you, and any attempt to push against that being labeled as "anti-science" when science is the process of asking questions and making observations, putting it overly simply. That is what has driven a mistrust between the average people and institutions. The misinformation online about exoplanets and AI generated nonsense about faraway systems is annoying, but not really the root of the problem of mistrust in the lab coats so to speak.
Kyle Hill has been trying to spearhead the fight against this
@@trashjash Nope, all scientific misinformation is bad, as it casts doubt on scientific authority as a whole
And your second point is pure pseudoscientific talking point. No, you cannot "push" against established science - that's the role of scientists, if something doesn't stand up against scrutiny it will be relaced by a better alternative. If you're not a scientist in a given field, listen to the consensus and don't question it - you have no right to put your ideas on the same level as established knowledge. Science is not dogma
@@OpticTeadrop people need to stop shoving their conspiracy theories in other people's faces. It's so weird they think it's okay.
@@trashjash If a famous scientist/engineer/whatever says climate change is false or that vaccines don't work and that pushing against what they said is "anti-science" due to their position then that is quite simply a fallacy.
However, that doesn't mean that you can go directly against the scientific consensus for something purely because you feel like it, asking questions due to your ignorance on the subject and thinking you are doing "real science" by doing so is what makes people become anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and a bunch of other conspiracy groups.
I'm just saying this due to the fact that someone acting like the previous paragraph described can quite easily end up believing themselves to be doing "science" with such things, your comment maybe even reassuring them.
8:30 I appreciate the "in case you are just listening" as someone who listens to alot of videos in the background
6:47 The Nasa communication issue part reminded be that if you search for
Uranus and go to pictures, one of the first images is Neptune because that's the main image for the article.
"uanus"💀💀💀
@@michaelchance6125 that wasn't the only typo :)
I went looking for Uranus with safe search turned off and it showed me actual gyatt smh
That is actually hilarious
Another problem is that people misunderstand what science is truly all about. A lot of it isn't supposed to be established and irrefutable information. It is subject to change based on further discoveries.
The more people catch on to this, the better.
and who the hell are you lmao?
@@dylanwalter-gb7kqwhat?
Sadly, many people misunderstand many things and it may not change, including the knowledge and understanding of science
@@dylanwalter-gb7kq u r not kewl n00b rofl
I'm so glad you debunked this myth. I even included J1407b in my new MIBU space facts video that I made. Thank goodness you came out to debunk this myth.
HD100546b had a yt short recently where it was all flashy and said 752x the mass of Jupiter.. all the comments pointed out how this would be a star. Its interesting you revive this conversation on exoplanet misinformation now and will be on the lookout
Of course, I also had a doubt that such exoplanet having 752 Jovian masses exist, because the upper limit of a brown dwarf is about 75 or 80 Jovian masses...
it's 8.5x jupiter mass
@Quaoar2002MS4.Enceladus HD 100546 b doesn’t have a defined mass
@@Kyplanet893 I know, its mass is from its size, which isn't accurate. But I'm still using that mass, since it's the only mass they got
im also sure jupiter is a failed star that wasnt big enough to ignite
Easy. It's cool. The universe is vast, horrifying and fascinating. It's fun to think about something so completely bizarre and nonsensical but still theoretically possible. Even if it's not scientific, it's still fun to imagine concepts like J1407b. I don'k really believe it exists, in fact I was always doubtful. But even I can appreciate how it would have fit into the strange beauty of our universe.
Avoid ANY creator pushing BetterHelp, ESPECIALLY if they start removing comments that go against them as a sponsor.
what is beterhelp?
@@Sigma_skibidi100 They are an online mental health provider that has sold customer data. Any creator pushing them at a minimum doesn’t do due diligence and at worst they know and do not care.
I found this channel after leaving Astrum
@@Sigma_skibidi100satan
@@Sigma_skibidi100 Dunno besides how they allegedly have therapists that aren't actually certified in their positions
@@PeruvianPotato so fake therapists
I remember hearing about J1407 when I was like nine or ten and still wanted to be an astronomer (Mind you, I was born in 2007, so the information wasn’t outdated back then). I’m 17 now and it’s really cool hearing an update on this, even if I have given up on any scientific career. Thanks for reminding me of an old childhood passion, Kyplanet. I know you said you felt like you weren’t making a dent, but you are. Grains of sand are just hard to see.💛💛💛
I feel obligated to change my desktop wallpaper from an image of the supposed J1407b to a cool image of Jupiter.
Do it
Why not Saturn, its rings is still beautiful.
you’ll resent your desktop until you do
i disagree, fuck saturn! The only thing it has going for it is my GOAT Titan
Good call. I have a picture of Saturn saved somewhere. My collection of space pictures is huge.
Alright boys hes a real science youtube channel now, hes posted the sources.
Amazing that he did that rather than just ripping them off like so many channels
@@zimrielyea lol
I'm glad videos like this exist, I was here on the very first video and saw everything go down and I can only imagine how hard it must've been to handle the amount of misinformation and people misinterpreting the video in the comments. As someone majoring in Astrophysics I see so much clickbait about exoplanets and interstellar objects and it sucks. Thank you dude ur a rlly great channel I look forward to what you'll do
Also imo a brown dwarf with a protoplanetary disk transiting a star is a rlly cool event (and incredibly rare) and is so much cooler than a planet with big rings
Imagine if a planet with comically large ring actually existed and we just dont know it yet and it isnt j1407e
J1407B*
The universe is huge, and the space even more so, so it's not unlikely imo
@@ninjakiwigames5418you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist, but that’s not even peanuts to space.
@@lyokianhitchhiker Distance is relative, as written in the Quran, the length of the Eye of God is not the length of the Eye of Man
@@SaladofStones wrong reference
The king hath returned
@israeldiegoriveragenius2th164how does that make him a hypocrite? he's giving his own scientific view on the subject matter.
@user-nk5tc9rq5t that guy has been commenting on every single one of my videos saying stuff like that lol
he’s just a troll, ignore him
@@Kyplanet893 cant you just block him from commenting
@user-og7tm4me2n i can but i want the engagement lmao
more comments only help me in the long run
i will delete conspiracy theorists and such though
Average flat earth believer:
your channel deserves far more attention than what is given...
I ran simulations on J1407b and its ring system in Universe Sandbox. Even considering a retrograde motion of the rings, there is no way it's ring system remains stable at all after several years, let alone 16 million years
Universe Sandbox, while being really cool is not a scientific tool for cosmic simulation
I haven't known this even since it was unconfirmed... Now i know!
This is a very informative video, and your channel is very underrated!
It's great that you talk about all the misinformation, for the greater good of the public, and sharing the truth.
You're not afraid to speak about controversial topics, and thats great!
Occam’s razor.
1: “J1407b is not a planet, and its rings are a protoplanetary disk. We were wrong.”
2: “ERM ITS ACTUALLY A PLANET WITH RINGS OUTSIDE OF THE ROCHE LIMIT AND OUR THEORY SURROUNDING THE ROCHE LIMIT IS FLAWED AND WE WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT BUT ITS STILL A GAS GIANT WITH RINGS EVEN THOUGH NOTHING WE HAVE PROVES THAT AND AND AND-“
Can I animate this
@@LittleSkepticalButStillSmartim not the Guy of the comment but Go on
@@LittleSkepticalButStillSmartPLEASE
@@LittleSkepticalButStillSmartOf course, why do you need to ask?
@@LittleSkepticalButStillSmartanimate, go go go!
J1407b got Pluto treatment
quite the contrary, it got promoted to star
One of the best comments in the year 💀
@@matheussanthiago9685it got promoted to a FAILED star! That's what brown dwarves are
@@matheussanthiago9685 no it didn't, it got promoted to early brown dwarf.
I'd say it got the Ceres treatment
On the topic of disproven exoplanets
I recommend you make a video on Kepler 70b and c, since some believe theyre some of the hottest exoplanets known, while the data used to explain their existence could instead be caused by stellar activity
This dude has a personal vendetta against this “planet” 💀
Dude it doesn’t exist
I'm pretty sure that it's been proven to not be a planet.
@@dosomestuff1949 umm.. ackshually.. it exists... are u dumb?!
Brown Dwarf*
@@dosomestuff1949 it does exist its just not a planet
You may not have millions of subscribers, but you're content is still far better than any of these other channels
Man, you're telling me the vinyl disc planet isn't real? Bummer. I was looking forward to hooking up a record player to it and playing the heaviest metal of the universe.
Megadeth heard that tornado of souls didnt make it on there so they personally went and blew it up.
as a humongous space nerd, I am very happy someone is finally covering how this planet is very different than what most people think it is
I Am Representing Almost All Of The Space Community, And I Have To Say, I’m Surprised.
First, neptune real color. Second, nebula isn't visible to our eyes. And now j1407b isn't real. I hope this wouldn't get worse
I mean, J1407b is technically real, but isn't as to what many people were expecting.
(I say technically, because we've only seen it once and that was it. It hasn't been observed since 2007.)
@@titan-1802even if you see it once it’s real bro
@@titan-1802 well, yeah you are right
HD 100546b likely isn't that large, and just has a massive dust cloud around it
@@cesarrobledo2583 Even still, that still isn't enough to confirm its existence.
If j1407b doesnt exist then im afraid i cannot continue living
Don’t worry. I’m pretty sure the brown dwarf is still called j1407b, it’s just not an exoplanet with huge rings.
Considering how massive the universe is (potentially infinite for all we know), there is a good chance that there is a planet exactly like it somewhere in the cosmos.
@@TrueSavage555impossibly infinite*
The universe is confirmed to be expanding and if its really infinite (infinite is a concept that means endlessity) then something endless cant extend as its already endless
@@calinmik429 It can as there is no limits to the mathematical universe.
Even limitless stuff can become even more limitless.
@@SealandIsBestCountry its still very unlikely its infinite
Have you considered making a video on the minor planets of the solar system? Its a very intresting topic
You are a really good space informator so far
That's a good call. All of the spherical objects that don't quite qualify for planet status would be an interesting subject to explore. An upload exploring Ceres,Pluto,Charon and Eris among others would definitely be a fascinating watch.
@@Wulfyr and not only those! Even the smaller objects hold really interesting details
@@T11235 Definitely! I think that the objects that don't have enough mass to become spherical would be worth devoting a separate episode to so as to fully do them justice. There's so much going on in the Asteroid Belt and the Kuiper Belt. An in depth look at some of these smaller objects would definitely be something I'd be interested in watching. Good shout mate.
Why does this conversation
in the replies feel AI generated?
@@Random_Nobody_Official 🤖- Dunno bruv.
The amount of shorts I’ve seen about that planet being our moon is crazy 💀
It exists
In our hearts...
or our dreams and imaginations.
Such planet probably does exist, we just haven’t found it yet
@@Nightmarionne-FNaF such planet also might not exist at all because such big rings will form moons sense its not in the roche limit and how would rings get into orbit so far away. its just like the green star, people think it exist because of how big the universe is, but it doesnt exist and never will (unless its in our dreams ofc)
just found your channel, what a gold mine.
for real bro
Another thing is when scientists are wrong about something, people will blame them for getting it wrong. But that’s how science works, NASA will get tons of things wrong, and much of the time they’re the ones calling themselves out for it. A bad scientist isn’t one that gets things wrong after observation, but one that refuses to admit they were wrong.
Your commentary on the dismal state of science communication today is absolutely spot on. Another reason which I think also explains the amount of garbage floating around on the internet these days is that the institutions that sponsor these studies sometimes do exaggerate their findings, not in the papers themselves but, for example, press conferences, because they need to sound like they made a breakthrough for the grant money.
Nice seeing SEA get mentioned here. I love these videos man keep it up!
I've been a fan of astronomy all of my life and have obviously followed a lot of space channels. I've only recently found your channel but I subscribed instantly because I like to see counter-arguments for just about everything.
Huh, that video on the front page at 9:01 looks a bit similar to another video I’ve seen before. What was the name of the person who first made it? It was like Kyplanet or something…
Yup, these guys are literally stealing content.
A while ago, I saw one of the videos from 8:48 pop up in the recommended feed. It was saying that "NASA says that Mt. Saint Helens suddenly went to a 300% chance of eruption; we're all going to die." I had to laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of such a statement.
This is like finding out santa isn't real all over again
No this didn’t hurt anywhere near as much as
@@ezrabanksthethirdYea true
But Santa is real :(
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
No planet is going to fix this atrocity
@@Oobja21 Hope it does
It’s great to see the spread awareness on the fake science communication channels. I used to be a semi regular viewer did a couple of them until ridiculous claims were being pushed that I knew were not true from watching Cool Worlds. Props getting the real knowledge out there!
“So my life has been lied too…”
I don't exist.
I don’t exist.
I don't exist.
Neither do I
I don’t exist.
So do I.
it’s basically impossible to have a planet have ring almost as long as 1 AU unless it’s mass is absolutely so massive that the roche limit extends farther than 50x the planet’s size which is practically impossible
I've been spreading the truth about J1407b for about 2 years in the Russian side of the internet, and I hope I've made a little difference. I'm still doing it, thank you for your video!
Ты не сделаешь из Большого Джея ещё одного Плутона 😡 Я низвергну тебя в недра чёрной дыры
Wow, your contact is really reliable and makes sense! Thank you for your videos!
There is a LOT of what I call “Fake astronomy UA-cam” out there that perpetuate that kind of stuff. Thank you for debunking it too. Stuff like this is only good for actual astronomy.
It being a rogue brown dwarf makes it really cool, even cooler than what we thought
I honestly doubt AI will ever be 100% trustworthy in regards to providing accurate information.
Real and true
This video was made by Saturn 100%
😂
Why is saturn hating j1407b
Cope and seethe
@@seraex8209 Bot or dumb?
great video! what made me really notice how prevalent this theatrics is was how we kept getting people in the SE community joining and then learning that J1407b is not gravitationally bound to J1407
I'm glad you pointed out some of the AI misinformation channels; I was really tricked by some of them.
because planet with unreasonably bigass rings is really funny
genuinely didn’t know that, thanks
great video btw!
This video explains some issues with the internet at large very well. There are many examples of things like J1207b, myths against which obvious proof is held, yet the general population continues to believe in the myth. In English phonetics (the study of language) the vowel in "moon" is frequently regarded as [u(ː)] in major dialects like SSB (Standard Southern British) or General American, though it's much more commonly pronounced more like [ʉu̯]. The fact that the vowels in "see" and "moon" are frequently regarded as monophthongs (a vowel that doesn't glide in the vowel space during pronunciation) despite their identity as diphthongs (a vowel that glides significantly to another position) having been known for CENTURIES, is a testament to the phenomenon of people blindly regurgitating what others have told them, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and the general public blindly believing such falsehoods.
Very late comment so I doubt you’ll see it but I just wanted to say that this is an excellent video, I hadn't seen any of your content before so clicking on it I expected it to be just a quick “fun fact: this popular depiction of a planet is inaccurate, bye” but you really used this example perfectly as an avatar for the main problems with modern science communication. Very direct, clearly explained and easy to follow points. I also really appreciate the whole level-headedness of the video, such a good contrast to precisely the kind of attitude you talked about. In regards to the planet I use to spent hours marveling at it in space engine but to save a little bit of my ego I was always suspicious that it’s rings were probably way to large to be gravitationally stable and the whole planet was probably based purely on speculation, I’m a bit proud to see my instincts were right. Anyways, great video all around, I’m glad to have found it.
I would like to see a video about more planets that people think are real but arent
Thank you for this. I also despise AI generated trash, but I can't seem to make people realize they're being fed nonsense while incentivizing those channels to produce more disinformation.
Great video!
crazy how searching online shows nothing about it being fake
Did you not watch the video? He literally explains exactly why you don’t find anything online. Because people exaggerate and perpetuate false information to captivate each other.
@@williamsutton6738the evidence its a dwarf star would be nice
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V1400_Centauri@@IDoABitOfTrollin
Its not really evidence evidence, but it says j1407b might be a brown dwarf
@@williamsutton6738 brother, even NASA isnt claiming it to be fake or real, its all a hypothesis
Great video. I can agree with a lot of things about news-websites, people on the internet and sometimes creators spreading misinformation (some by mistake).
I am a wikipedia editor from time to time. I mainly do update outdated astronomy-related articles and sometimes create articles about objects that did not make the news, but that I still find interesting.
I hope that helps to reduce some of the misinformation.
awesome video! it can feel like an uphill battle combating misinformation, so i appreciate the work you’ve done here
bro fooled us for so long thinking he had a huge ring gyatt but he didnt even have rings 😭😭😭😭😭
I like this channel because it gives facts about planets and doesn’t just say that a planet is habitable because it’s earth sized and in the habitable zone.
I kinda called it
I mean, what kind of a planet has rings so wide comoared to its size? That tiny planet relative to ring size must be some dense objects to have such a string gravity to have wide ringa
Commenting to boost engagement 🙏 Thank you so much for delving into this misunderstood brown dwarf and the misinformation surrounding science communication in astronomy in general. Some people might be disappointed, but the truth is more important than any fiction, and we cannot let what we _want_ to see cloud what is right in front of our eyes.
i feel like a good way to spread the word would be to post a summarized version on tiktok
the ring boi doesnt exist :(
The rogue brown dwarf boi with protoplanetary disk most likely does though
@@ExtremaduraBall207 Lame tbh
@@PeruvianPotato Not at all, brown dwarfs are extremely interesting
10:00- isn't telling the creators of fake information to stop a form of Engagement? And if it's making them money, it's highly unlikely that they will stop. Milo (from the Miniminuteman channel) did a similar expose of a Tik Tok Channel churning out easily debunkable pseudoarchaeology, and said pretty much the same thing.
You seem like the type of dude that will scientifically prove that santa clause isnt real.
dont be mean, hes trying to spread the truth
Lil bro has AI as an profile picture lmao, pip down.
I did used to think that J1407b was a planet with large rings but considering I'm not an astronomer, I haven't heard much about it since
Bravo! Great content, I hope more start sharing the word on all the misinfo (mis-information) out there.
Here from my good pal space chip!
I mean technically a planet like this does exist we just haven’t discovered it yet
>A Planet like this exists but we don't have any evidence yet.
Do you see the issue?
Why do we even bother looking at red stars? Shouldnt we be focusing on orange stars and yellow stars like ours? I think we should do that and then find actual plausible candidates for habitable worlds
Red stars are like the default, mfs are littered everywhere its hard not to look at them.
@@ejosjek52.87 yea but if theyre always going to have dead worlds why even bother looking at them if we want to find worlds like earth? Orange stars are way better.
@@lv1543 M-star planets could potentially harbor life, they don't have to be dead. 90% of stars are M-type and planets orbit them very closely which makes them easier to observe afaik
@@left9096 too many negatives. Lets look at things that all but garuntee habitability
insane video. great work man!!! cant stress enough how important your work is
i appreciate all the content you make and how you bring attention to information outside of what pop science puts out
so, it does exist, it was just classified incorrectly.
Yes.
the only way i wouldve known about j1407b being a brown dwarf is from you. you definitely did make a difference, even if you dont see it.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined, at least I know the truth now
Hello, I am a creator who has made videos on the J1407b myth before, heres my story
I never knew it was false until 2 days after i made my initial video. I was looking for tons of ideas because Space Engine content was new on my channel instead of planetary collisions and I made a video on J1407b, I eventually made a video where its the most famous space objects, and I debunk some myths. Most of us do not mean to cause any harm.
I will never financially and emotionally recover from this loss, my life has been ruined.
Imagine some alien youtuber saying earth doesnt exist
Alien conspiracy theories are already forming about voyager 1, one vocal minority is saying that the government is trying to start a war by making up a fake species that launched a probe
Sol-19c actually just a smudge on the camera! The whole of Sol-19 is fake! Sol-19a through Sol-19h are not real!
-Alien's wearing tinfoil hats
*falls to the ground crying in despair*
In WHAT
@@ecatskid despair
You are not alone 😔😔
i absolutely cannot believe that people call google a source of information. it’s like taking a book that you did research on and putting it into a backpack, then when asked where you got the research from you say that it came from your backpack.
I'm heartbroken... J1407b was starting to grow on me a lot bc its so cool and fascinating... :,(((
The weirdest thing about this is that rings are usually formed by an object falling into the Roche limit of a planet, but how big does J1407b’s Roche limit have to be?
What planet actually has the most rings?
there are potential rings around HIP 41378 f, KOI-8007.02, and Proxima c, but none are confirmed
if confirmed Proxima c’s would be the biggest
@@Kyplanet893 cool thanks for the reply