every time I see one of these type videos it just makes me appreciate my cheap ass Savage Axis II rifle that does sub MOA with PMC Bronze in .308. Eventually I'll put some match ammo through it but I want to get a good camera system to prove it to the world....
Have to say it .. if you can't tell which one is "the flier", then it ain't one... Looked like the factory stock was more consistent across ammo types. To me, looked like personal bias towards the chassis because it's COOL!
I really like your videos. You keep it simple and to the point. I usually watch these types of videos to get an idea of what upgrades are worth doing and what upgrades are not. I like how you present the information.
Great video! I would say the overall comfort and options of the upgraded stock are way more of an improvement than the accuracy…. I’ve seen many “deer rifles” shoot groups as good as both of the setups in this video. Not saying it isn’t worth upgrading the stock! Just don’t think you’ll see a huge difference in accuracy
I love how you automatically go to admitting you threw the shot off while other UA-camrs would immediately go to “a bad load” or any other factor that doesn’t result too them as a shooter shanking it
I'm not impressed. I can agree that the,chassis is nicer to shoot than the factory stock, but your test doesn't reflect anything. A .03 moa increase on the Hornady ammo is not even worth mentioning. A .23 moa increase on the Federal GMM is fair, but the 1.17 moa loss of accuracy in the Fusion is terrible. I assume you are a decent shooter, so you would know when you shank a round. You were dumbfounded by that one shot which means you felt good about it. One three round group does not reflect the accuracy of a rifle. You should have used the whole box, at minimum, three 3 round groups of each to get an average, then you can tell if there is really an improvement.
Great video, helps a lot with a purchase I will be making soon. Would like to see again with 5 shot grouping. 3 shots never add the 4th or 5th flyer you can guarantee will happen every single time. I don’t like 3 shots to be the standard and I hate that companies say it. It’s not a good denominator
We use the federal fusion for all our hunting trips across all different caliber of rifles and they have proven themselves reliable in accuracy and terminal performance. Luckily we bought a very nice supply to last many years for 5 of us before the I sanity began and ammo makers and powder primer manufacturers began selling mainly to Europe and Africa . Thanks Hogdon Thanks ammo makers
Great video. I have the same REM 700. I actually love the stock, not withstanding the flex issues but it doesn’t really bother me as it’s still a very accurate rifle.. I use the Federal Fusion in 180 grain. My understanding is that with the 20” barrel, the 1 in 10 twist stabilises the heavier round much more than the lighter ones so the heavier rounds outperform with this configuration. It’s also designed to be used with a suppressor, without losing accuracy 👍
Great information bud! I’m torn on what to get here. I’m in the market for a 308 threaded barrel hunting rifle. I’m trying to stay under 1K. Do you think the Remington 700 is still the best option out there? I’d really appreciate your feedback
It is very apparent that you took more time in between each shot of the group with the chassis, so I’m not sure we can rule out user bias here. But showing the different loads was definitley informational. I’ve found mine like the federal fusion the best too if all the different factory loads I’ve gone thru.
I own a REM 700P and opted to just get my stock professionally bedded. With match grade factory loads It’s a 0.3 MOA rifle. I think it ran me about $300 to get it done and another 150 to add DBM. I think the smith added the single stage Timney trigger at cost and set it to 2.0lbs. It’s running an older US Optics SN3 scope with an IPHY reticle.
Rem 700 Police series rifles have a MUCH more rigid Plastic stock than the SPS tac does, Bedding them would help. But that is NOT the case on the SPS tac as the Hogue overmolded stock has a very "floppy" forend, its not rigid. its more stiff rubber than solid plastic so it WILL bend more easily when force is applied from below as a Bipod would do.
I think the biggest advantage the chassis provides is the ability to have consistency of your comfort and attachments. But if you suck at shooting, you will still suck at shooting with a chassis too.
If I'm not mistaken twist rate is less about bullet weight and more about bullet length. Longer bullets just tend to be heavier. But in the case of round nose soft point hunting bullets you get higher weights with the same bullet length. So I wouldn't assume that your 1 in 10 twist barrel likes heavier AND longer projectiles. If you go to a 180gr hollow point boat tail I doubt you'll have the same result.
Both my Remington 700 (.308) and my custom build LR-308 that I built love the 168gr and 175gr rounds you shot, but also do have good groupings with 180gr rounds.
my fcp-sr does great with 178gr hornady precision hunter, minus 150 gr core lokt this gun hasnt been happy with anything else I have tried. As far as target ammo the federall GMM 168 shoot very good in my gun, want to try the heavier version as well whenever 308 ammo is available again :(
I have the ess chassie also with a rem700 in 6.5x55 swede in it. I hunt with it alot, it is my favorite rifle. But i have the forend with the partly picatinny so the scope can sit low without touching.
awesome video, ive found that using moly graph grease on all of my bolt guns makes the cycling of the bolt much smoother and doesnt require as much torque. it also helps prevent wear much more than standard gun lube does. also 175 grain smk is what ive found to do the best out of my 24" r700 and my 16" daniel defense ar10, roughly 4" groups at 500 yards compared to 5.5" groups from 168 grain smk
I wouldnt necessarily consider that Hogue rubber overmolded full pillar bed stock "factory". Its an option from the manufacturer yes, but far from a basic synthetic stock
Thanks for doing a real world comparison...this is just the video and review I was wanting to see on the MTD Chasis system!!! The only thing that could have made this better was 10 round groups. Excellent video though!
I have that rifle with the factory stock. I filled the fore-end of the stock with carbon fiber tubing and JB well while a ten pound weight hung from the front stub. She no long flexes at all, and is still fully floated. Plus it looks a lot less mall ninja at the range.
Awesome way to do some great experiments and involve as many shooters as you can so we all can learn a little more! Thank you for your time “and ammo” lol great video!
My favorite budget bonded bullet is federal fusion or speer gold dot. Funny the law enforcement load is 15 cents cheaper right now. I have do all load with is 168 gold dot bought few thousand when they were 29 cents a bullet. My 20inch version of same gun loves 175 tmk and 175 smk. Using 43.1 grains of varget
Great stuff. Was hitting about moa with m118 with a ruger predator . After mdt lss, brought it closer to .65". Was 500 bucks worth it... Hell ya, especially when you're at 500 yds or further It makes an ordinary rifle into something that you can get competitive at.
@@buildhuntxplore When I was new to precision shooting, my scope bell was touching my barrel, gave me fits sometimes it was on then others it was so far off. I really enjoyed your comparison
The federal 180s have might have a different powder type which could throw the very first shot of the new type off. I read that in my reloading manual and seems to have some merit for me
I’ve got a Bergara chambered in 300PRC with a Nightforce ATACR. I put 4 rounds thru the same hole more or less from 200 yards with factory match ammo (Hornady Precision Hunter 212gr ELD-X) during the break in process. Now I know 200 yards isn’t anything for 300PRC. I was just getting a good zero. Really good rifles in my opinion.
You can’t pick and choose what you wanna use on your shooting. Just admit you are wrong and the cheap factory stock shot just as well or better. The evidence doesn’t lie.
But you can choose... most precision chasis i come across are free floating where cheap stock one are not most of the time.. but either way, you can always choose
Shoot one good chassis, and I can absolutely promise you will never be satisfied with a factory stock again. It is infinitely more comfortable and practical. It's like night and day. The difference in comfort and ergonomics makes me a much more accurate shooter on any platform.
I wouldn’t say he was wrong it definitely does make the gun more accurate especially something like a savage axis where the stock has a shit load of play but not sure $2000 is worth it for a few thousandth’s of an inch
I wish I would have bought before they changed over.. I wanted a 5R! I have the exact one pictured here however it does shoot pretty well so I won't complain.
@@Version135 Yeah she was a tack, leaving behind many envious high dollar rigs. I wanted to do some other things to her, but with her shooting like that, I didn't want to risk upsetting her. Got lucky to get her early on in their initial run because an ex marine sniper friend I shot with knew someone at Remington and gave me the heads up. He was amazed, and bragging her off more than me, he had a nice PSS shooting half inch all day as well, modded tho.
My perspective - is this - that I started shooting some 44 yrs ago. Before 23 - I fired 10,000 rnds a year for 5 yrs. I knew when I pulled and when I shot clean. I saw in my mind - the call - and I called my shots for 2 more years. It was a way - to make my brain confirm when I did it all right. And If I called wrong - I did pull it. I kept trying to see the sights at the instant it broke. It got so I could not trick my brain. Some believe - calling shots on camera - is calling shots. It is not - it is making the story fit your story and deceiving yourself. The mind game - used in shooting will give you a rock solid advantage - over those who just pull a trigger and wish they shot better - after the fact. You have the added benefit - of know you are better - and can apply it to your whole life. Those who call good groups - their talent - and bad groups - blaming the firearm, will not serve you well.. It you doubt the mind body - ask those who use it - how many points they get from just the mind. Its 30% in double blind studies. I have challenged and bested anschutz rifles with a Winchester 52. They shot 1 inch groups. I had 2 bullets in one hole - 6 times. in a row. My sighters were single holes. Why comment - I never blamed the rifle or stock for my shooting. My shooting was mine to own. If I pull 1 inch at 100 yds - what bad shot can I mess up - at more distance. Be well!
Some thing you might be interested in looking into. Look at the Hornady Match 168gr vs the Federal Match 168gr. I have the same rifle and moved to a MDT XRS chasses. I would be interested to see your results with your rifle.
1 in 10 Twist wants longer ogive... try some 200 grain handloads as well. Or Match king 195 HPBT. If you wanna keep weight down for speed use monolithic ammo since its a longer bullet for similar weight to lead core ammo.
How come you don't address what the biggest attribute is to the accuracy gains going from a stock like the houge to the chassis is? You only talk about the forend being flexible. There is more to it than that.
Guess I got lucky, my SPS is my best shooting rifle. Consistently. I would love a chasis, wouldn't hurt my feelings to change it. Chasis systems are typically out of my price range. Guess I will just have to make due. Mine loves the 178 A-Max/ELD bullets over Varget or RE-15. You should try them with this rifle.
I don't see you making that mistake. Unless you called a pulled shot, at the instant of ignition; don't expect human error. Some rounds might not shoot all that consistent in some guns.
So is that a different bolt on your stock rifle or did you just saw off and put on an oversized bolt handle? I have this rifle in a 308 and it does flex like hell but shoots great. I use 165 gr Sierra gameking at 42.5 grains of 4064. Shoots like a dream, but I'm definitely changing the stock
I'd like to see this done again but with the factory stock bedded properly and maybe 2-3 different shooters behind it. A good bedding job can really help a factory stock, is pretty simple to do and a very cheap accuracy fix vs a chassis. But lets be honest most guys go with the chassis cus they look cool and are easy to install. I gotta admit that 16.5 barrel looks money in that MDT despite being a traditional stock type of guy myself.
Bedding wouldnt help with the Hogue chassis as they are soft in the forend and bend when loaded up. On a wood or lamintae stock sure but not the hogue overmoulds.
good video, thanks. I know the factory stock of that Remington 700 has flex when preloading on a bipod, but I couldn't help notice that your average time between shots on the factory stock were about 4 sec (+/- .) and your avg on the ESS was about 8 sec (+/- .) Sub MOA on a factory stock is nice, but do you think the groups could have been better on the factory stock if you gave it equal time in between shots as you did on the ESS? im sure the added seconds wouldn't make a whole lot of difference because an aftermarket chassis is still superior.
@@mrzombiesawesome in one of the shots it does appear that he edited. but for the rest its not. it was an average anyway. but im sure you can agree that his shots in between on the ess were longer...anyway, like i said, an after market chassis is superior.
Really need to redo the test with out useing the check rest on the chassis as you have very bad check weld on fatory stock... Have done this test and check weld will make more difference than a chassis if stock is half-decent..
Three shot group is not a group, if you really want to see what is the accuracy and consistency is you need to shoot something like 5x5 groups and take the average. Or same POI and shoot 10x10 and take a background group using one second target behind the every group. There’s your mean accuracy and repeatability.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of factory stock against one that has been bedded and fore end stiffening, I epoxied an aluminum strut into mine. Mine are 2 Howa 308s; 1st was the Knoxx Axiom, 2nd was Hogue. I can't justify a chassis.
I glass bed factory stocks. It has done well for my standards and saved me $ so I can buy powder and projectiles. My Savage 93v in 17 HMR came with a beer can plastic stock, glass bedded it. Bought a factory Ruger Precision Rimfire that I did NOT glass bed. I can't see a difference. Glass bedding costs me about $4 per rifle. A $600+ chassis can pay for a lot of components. And that's just for 1 rifle. Until a chassis can improve my shots by at least 60%, guaranteed, I'll spend my money on other things. Don't get me wrong, chassis' look way better than my factory stocks, so I lose on that every time. :D
Sorry, totally disagree with your opening comments. The bipod 'flexing' has nothing to do with accuracy. The Rem 700 is set up with a floating barrel. The accuracy between the factory stock and the aftermarket is the mounting of the receiver. Most of the modern stocks utilize a 'V' shaped well, utilizing a solid platform and reducing the (micro) movements when firing. The typical factory stock utilizes a crecent concave design which was great in its day, but with the V design, accuracy has been improved.
I was having some issues with my R700 SPS .223 couldn’t get the groups to close I was shooting around 1MOA at 100 yards that was it I bought a HS precision stock well I ended up selling it and Gor myself an M24 SWS end of my problems
I think a 5 shot group might tell more... But in all honesty, not really sure tree stock or chassis really made as much difference as did you're thinking the chassis would help...
@@jeremys8360 I used the word "group" incorrectly on purpose for the sake of clarity of my main point. It doesn't matter how many shots are in the group if you know the error came from the shooter and not the rifle.
Me shooting groups: Alright, breathe. Relax. Nice and smooth on the trigger. Straight back in a line. Don't grip the stock too tight. Make sure clear sight picture. Ok, slow down the heart rate. Relax. Get set up... You: *BANG BANG BANG!* Eh, not bad. Next ammo.
I hate that Hogue factory stock. I hate it even more when upgrading stock/chassis cost more than the rifle itself!
Boyds exists
Hogue is perfectly fine.
@@N3wbMa5t3r For knocking around in the woods? Yep. For anything resembling precision? Hell no.
Looked like your scope was touching the chassis too. Almost seemed like you shoot the factory stock more consistently.
Yes, the scope was mounted too low, will definately touch.
Same rifle minus the brake and with 168 smk I'm shooting .5 in the hogue stock and cheap blackhawk pod. Good test.
Good video I would like to see what happened with 9 or 10 round groups
Thanks! We will revisit or sure and do more with it. We are stretching the range back so we can work in more distance as well.
Exactly! 3 shots are not a reliable group.
yes would def like to see this same test on different popular firearms. more rounds are necessary to get a more acurate grouping average. good video
I've been subbed for 1 year and this dude doesn't bs with stupid kid intros.
Keeps this channel for adults. Very very impressed
Thank you! I try my best to keep it to the point because I know time is valuable 👍
every time I see one of these type videos it just makes me appreciate my cheap ass Savage Axis II rifle that does sub MOA with PMC Bronze in .308. Eventually I'll put some match ammo through it but I want to get a good camera system to prove it to the world....
What I j7st saw was an extremely consistent shooting stock... and a chassis that made you say "wow" at how inconsistent it was.
Have to say it .. if you can't tell which one is "the flier", then it ain't one... Looked like the factory stock was more consistent across ammo types. To me, looked like personal bias towards the chassis because it's COOL!
I really like your videos. You keep it simple and to the point. I usually watch these types of videos to get an idea of what upgrades are worth doing and what upgrades are not. I like how you present the information.
Thanks so much! We try to be simple and to the point. No need for a bunch of fluff with these types of videos.
Save your money will make no diffrence
Great video! I would say the overall comfort and options of the upgraded stock are way more of an improvement than the accuracy…. I’ve seen many “deer rifles” shoot groups as good as both of the setups in this video. Not saying it isn’t worth upgrading the stock! Just don’t think you’ll see a huge difference in accuracy
I love how you automatically go to admitting you threw the shot off while other UA-camrs would immediately go to “a bad load” or any other factor that doesn’t result too them as a shooter shanking it
i feel it was more about ergonomics rather than the stock flexing.
I'm not impressed. I can agree that the,chassis is nicer to shoot than the factory stock, but your test doesn't reflect anything.
A .03 moa increase on the Hornady ammo is not even worth mentioning.
A .23 moa increase on the Federal GMM is fair, but the 1.17 moa loss of accuracy in the Fusion is terrible. I assume you are a decent shooter, so you would know when you shank a round. You were dumbfounded by that one shot which means you felt good about it.
One three round group does not reflect the accuracy of a rifle. You should have used the whole box, at minimum, three 3 round groups of each to get an average, then you can tell if there is really an improvement.
Great video, helps a lot with a purchase I will be making soon. Would like to see again with 5 shot grouping. 3 shots never add the 4th or 5th flyer you can guarantee will happen every single time. I don’t like 3 shots to be the standard and I hate that companies say it. It’s not a good denominator
We use the federal fusion for all our hunting trips across all different caliber of rifles and they have proven themselves reliable in accuracy and terminal performance.
Luckily we bought a very nice supply to last many years for 5 of us before the I sanity began and ammo makers and powder primer manufacturers began selling mainly to Europe and Africa .
Thanks Hogdon
Thanks ammo makers
Great video. I have the same REM 700. I actually love the stock, not withstanding the flex issues but it doesn’t really bother me as it’s still a very accurate rifle.. I use the Federal Fusion in 180 grain. My understanding is that with the 20” barrel, the 1 in 10 twist stabilises the heavier round much more than the lighter ones so the heavier rounds outperform with this configuration. It’s also designed to be used with a suppressor, without losing accuracy 👍
Cool and good info, thanks!
@@buildhuntxplore 😂😂
Put it in a chassis and you’ll love it a lot more.
Great information bud! I’m torn on what to get here. I’m in the market for a 308 threaded barrel hunting rifle. I’m trying to stay under 1K. Do you think the Remington 700 is still the best option out there? I’d really appreciate your feedback
@@palumbo78 ruger american predator
Love your honesty. The chassis changed what the rifle liked. Those who shoot get it. So much more flexibility and comfort on the better chassis too.
Definitely sold me on keeping the hogue!
It is very apparent that you took more time in between each shot of the group with the chassis, so I’m not sure we can rule out user bias here. But showing the different loads was definitley informational. I’ve found mine like the federal fusion the best too if all the different factory loads I’ve gone thru.
No I cut the time out between shots so you guys wouldn’t have to wait on me lol
I own a REM 700P and opted to just get my stock professionally bedded. With match grade factory loads It’s a 0.3 MOA rifle. I think it ran me about $300 to get it done and another 150 to add DBM. I think the smith added the single stage Timney trigger at cost and set it to 2.0lbs. It’s running an older US Optics SN3 scope with an IPHY reticle.
Rem 700 Police series rifles have a MUCH more rigid Plastic stock than the SPS tac does, Bedding them would help. But that is NOT the case on the SPS tac as the Hogue overmolded stock has a very "floppy" forend, its not rigid. its more stiff rubber than solid plastic so it WILL bend more easily when force is applied from below as a Bipod would do.
Thank you for the honest review.
I think the biggest advantage the chassis provides is the ability to have consistency of your comfort and attachments. But if you suck at shooting, you will still suck at shooting with a chassis too.
First shot of last group was probably a shooter induced flyer. Redo with 10 round groups. Allowing proper cooling between
Damn you’re a great shot, you can tell just by the way your shoot the regular stock
Thanks for watching!
If I'm not mistaken twist rate is less about bullet weight and more about bullet length. Longer bullets just tend to be heavier. But in the case of round nose soft point hunting bullets you get higher weights with the same bullet length. So I wouldn't assume that your 1 in 10 twist barrel likes heavier AND longer projectiles. If you go to a 180gr hollow point boat tail I doubt you'll have the same result.
There is a benefit to using a chassis over a stock.
My 5 shot groups @ 100 yds improved on average by 1/8" using a MDT Chassis
Both my Remington 700 (.308) and my custom build LR-308 that I built love the 168gr and 175gr rounds you shot, but also do have good groupings with 180gr rounds.
Great video. Since you’re using factory ammo, I wonder if variance in FPS caused fliers. A chrono would be awesome to have in the future
Love it man, I need to try some heavier loads in my savage- it also has a shorter barrel and might do well.
Thanks! Yeah it might like them. Good luck!
my fcp-sr does great with 178gr hornady precision hunter, minus 150 gr core lokt this gun hasnt been happy with anything else I have tried. As far as target ammo the federall GMM 168 shoot very good in my gun, want to try the heavier version as well whenever 308 ammo is available again :(
That chassis looks amazing mate, love it👌
Thanks! MDT definitely creates some awesome products 👍😁
Finally, a good shot to test a rifle !! Thank you !!
Have to take these results with a good amount of salt.
Statistically significant testing is gonna cost you some ammo.
Yeah, probably accurate results, but "three round groups aren't"
MDT has the Sexiest chassis on the market, and Triggertech makes AMAZING triggers.
I use both on all my bolt actions
Very nice rig, may I suggest that the rear ring should be as far back as possible as to provide a broader support of the scope tube. Dave & The Girls
Thanks and thanks!
Put some good bedding between the stock and the barrel on the stock, stock if that makes sense
Great Video! Aluminum bedding block, or complete aluminum chassis, Mcree Precision, AICS. Makes a differences.
I have the ess chassie also with a rem700 in 6.5x55 swede in it. I hunt with it alot, it is my favorite rifle. But i have the forend with the partly picatinny so the scope can sit low without touching.
awesome video, ive found that using moly graph grease on all of my bolt guns makes the cycling of the bolt much smoother and doesnt require as much torque. it also helps prevent wear much more than standard gun lube does. also 175 grain smk is what ive found to do the best out of my 24" r700 and my 16" daniel defense ar10, roughly 4" groups at 500 yards compared to 5.5" groups from 168 grain smk
Does it have a strong smell? also how much do you apply. thanks
Buy a savage 10/110 and don’t worry about a gritty bolt or grease
@@reddawng43x91 why not add a grease to aid in the longevity of your gun? I ain't fighting in some dust bowl, just range and hunting
Man that’s gotta be stupid loud. I’ve got a 700 308 24” varmint barrel with no muzzle break and it’s got some blast to it
LOL It's pretty intense.
Seeing the 3rd attempt going through the same hole was 😙 👌
I wouldnt necessarily consider that Hogue rubber overmolded full pillar bed stock "factory". Its an option from the manufacturer yes, but far from a basic synthetic stock
Thanks for doing a real world comparison...this is just the video and review I was wanting to see on the MTD Chasis system!!! The only thing that could have made this better was 10 round groups. Excellent video though!
I have that rifle with the factory stock. I filled the fore-end of the stock with carbon fiber tubing and JB well while a ten pound weight hung from the front stub. She no long flexes at all, and is still fully floated. Plus it looks a lot less mall ninja at the range.
Nice ! what length is that barrel? Also what length is the forend on the ess chassis? 15 “ ?
Awesome way to do some great experiments and involve as many shooters as you can so we all can learn a little more! Thank you for your time “and ammo” lol great video!
Consistently great content. Well done comparison.
Thanks so much!!
"I really shanked that one" 😂 proceeds to put one more right on top of it and another realll close
168 over any other grain 🎉🎉🎉 y opinion. All my builds had the best grouping with 168 grains
My favorite budget bonded bullet is federal fusion or speer gold dot. Funny the law enforcement load is 15 cents cheaper right now. I have do all load with is 168 gold dot bought few thousand when they were 29 cents a bullet. My 20inch version of same gun loves 175 tmk and 175 smk. Using 43.1 grains of varget
Great stuff. Was hitting about moa with m118 with a ruger predator . After mdt lss, brought it closer to .65".
Was 500 bucks worth it...
Hell ya, especially when you're at 500 yds or further
It makes an ordinary rifle into something that you can get competitive at.
Im literally going to copy your build but Im probably going to through a 22 inch barrel and a can on it. I love Riton, and MDT
you should have noted as well that box are tested with 24" barrel so the fps is going to be off from the start
Just sold me on a MDT stock for my Savage SA. Cheers from Raleigh-ish
looks like you took more time between rounds with the precision stock. Speed shooting with the factory stock.
No, I just cut the dead time out so you didn't have to wait
I would use a little bit taller rings on the chassis
Yeah that was hall I had at the time. New ones are a good bit taller 👍
@@buildhuntxplore When I was new to precision shooting, my scope bell was touching my barrel, gave me fits sometimes it was on then others it was so far off. I really enjoyed your comparison
Thank you!
The federal 180s have might have a different powder type which could throw the very first shot of the new type off. I read that in my reloading manual and seems to have some merit for me
I usually aim for the center of the target... it's clear what yr aiming at then
Hey get your scope like half an inch higher it's not quite high enough. Maybe some xxtra tall rings.
Awesome video, I just bought my first bolt gun, a Bergara premier 6.5CM, definitely gonna subscribe to check out more stuff!
Thanks! Nice, I’ve heard great things about Bergara rifles. Thanks for following along!
I’ve got a Bergara chambered in 300PRC with a Nightforce ATACR. I put 4 rounds thru the same hole more or less from 200 yards with factory match ammo (Hornady Precision Hunter 212gr ELD-X) during the break in process. Now I know 200 yards isn’t anything for 300PRC. I was just getting a good zero. Really good rifles in my opinion.
You can’t pick and choose what you wanna use on your shooting. Just admit you are wrong and the cheap factory stock shot just as well or better. The evidence doesn’t lie.
exactly, as long as a barrel is free floated then it will shoot just as good. They precision chassis does not help a gun much, if at all.
But you can choose... most precision chasis i come across are free floating where cheap stock one are not most of the time.. but either way, you can always choose
He could have completely lied about the shanked shot and used a new target
Shoot one good chassis, and I can absolutely promise you will never be satisfied with a factory stock again. It is infinitely more comfortable and practical. It's like night and day. The difference in comfort and ergonomics makes me a much more accurate shooter on any platform.
I wouldn’t say he was wrong it definitely does make the gun more accurate especially something like a savage axis where the stock has a shit load of play but not sure $2000 is worth it for a few thousandth’s of an inch
I cant help but stare at the scope bell and wonder if its touching the fore end
Excellent video. thumbs up
Thank you!!
I may have missed it but what is the barrel length on your rifle?
If its not their HS Precision ones, perhaps. I had one shooting 3/8" totally stock. She was the older 5R though and I added weight to the hollow.
I wish I would have bought before they changed over.. I wanted a 5R! I have the exact one pictured here however it does shoot pretty well so I won't complain.
@@Version135 Yeah she was a tack, leaving behind many envious high dollar rigs. I wanted to do some other things to her, but with her shooting like that, I didn't want to risk upsetting her. Got lucky to get her early on in their initial run because an ex marine sniper friend I shot with knew someone at Remington and gave me the heads up. He was amazed, and bragging her off more than me, he had a nice PSS shooting half inch all day as well, modded tho.
My perspective - is this - that I started shooting some 44 yrs ago. Before 23 - I fired 10,000 rnds a year for 5 yrs. I knew when I pulled and when I shot clean. I saw in my mind - the call - and I called my shots for 2 more years. It was a way - to make my brain confirm when I did it all right. And If I called wrong - I did pull it. I kept trying to see the sights at the instant it broke. It got so I could not trick my brain.
Some believe - calling shots on camera - is calling shots. It is not - it is making the story fit your story and deceiving yourself.
The mind game - used in shooting will give you a rock solid advantage - over those who just pull a trigger and wish they shot better - after the fact. You have the added benefit - of know you are better - and can apply it to your whole life. Those who call good groups - their talent - and bad groups - blaming the firearm, will not serve you well.. It you doubt the mind body - ask those who use it - how many points they get from just the mind. Its 30% in double blind studies.
I have challenged and bested anschutz rifles with a Winchester 52. They shot 1 inch groups. I had 2 bullets in one hole - 6 times. in a row. My sighters were single holes.
Why comment - I never blamed the rifle or stock for my shooting. My shooting was mine to own. If I pull 1 inch at 100 yds - what bad shot can I mess up - at more distance.
Be well!
Some thing you might be interested in looking into. Look at the Hornady Match 168gr vs the Federal Match 168gr. I have the same rifle and moved to a MDT XRS chasses. I would be interested to see your results with your rifle.
1 in 10 Twist wants longer ogive... try some 200 grain handloads as well. Or Match king 195 HPBT. If you wanna keep weight down for speed use monolithic ammo since its a longer bullet for similar weight to lead core ammo.
The precision chassis will always work better than most factory stock.
Will no no difference on a cheap rifle
Setup is fantastic, if you don’t mind me asking what’s the barrel length on your R700? Looks great with the ESS
Looks like he’s using a 16.5 inch barrel.
Thanks so much! Yep this one is 16.5. Definitely loving it!
good video but more importantly an honest video. too many creators mask up the pulls and errors etc.
Thank you! If I screw up, I’ll be the first to tell ya, haha. Thanks for watching!
Just saying you say if you miss a dear my 2in but not sure I’d want to hunt with a 4lb or more chassis
All that work only to shoot 3 round groups... Nonetheless, your video production quality in great.
How come you don't address what the biggest attribute is to the accuracy gains going from a stock like the houge to the chassis is? You only talk about the forend being flexible. There is more to it than that.
Maybe I missed it in the video but was was the barrel length
Guess I got lucky, my SPS is my best shooting rifle. Consistently. I would love a chasis, wouldn't hurt my feelings to change it. Chasis systems are typically out of my price range. Guess I will just have to make due. Mine loves the 178 A-Max/ELD bullets over Varget or RE-15. You should try them with this rifle.
Try a KRG Bravo. $350 and guaranteed to love it.
Scope clearance a problem with this chassis? Im suspecting that you would have to get higher rings?
id say the bigger bonuses of a chassis are the fact that they look sick and they are usually way more ergonomical. good review though
Last magazine you throw it in the box. Locked and Loaded!
I like shooting 5 round groups
I don't see you making that mistake. Unless you called a pulled shot, at the instant of ignition; don't expect human error.
Some rounds might not shoot all that consistent in some guns.
Maybe so
Inconsistency in factory loads also accounts for larger groups !! The 168 grain seirra match king grade bullets are much better and more consistent !!
So is that a different bolt on your stock rifle or did you just saw off and put on an oversized bolt handle? I have this rifle in a 308 and it does flex like hell but shoots great. I use 165 gr Sierra gameking at 42.5 grains of 4064. Shoots like a dream, but I'm definitely changing the stock
I'd like to see this done again but with the factory stock bedded properly and maybe 2-3 different shooters behind it. A good bedding job can really help a factory stock, is pretty simple to do and a very cheap accuracy fix vs a chassis. But lets be honest most guys go with the chassis cus they look cool and are easy to install. I gotta admit that 16.5 barrel looks money in that MDT despite being a traditional stock type of guy myself.
Bedding wouldnt help with the Hogue chassis as they are soft in the forend and bend when loaded up. On a wood or lamintae stock sure but not the hogue overmoulds.
good video, thanks.
I know the factory stock of that Remington 700 has flex when preloading on a bipod, but I couldn't help notice that your average time between shots on the factory stock were about 4 sec (+/- .) and your avg on the ESS was about 8 sec (+/- .) Sub MOA on a factory stock is nice, but do you think the groups could have been better on the factory stock if you gave it equal time in between shots as you did on the ESS? im sure the added seconds wouldn't make a whole lot of difference because an aftermarket chassis is still superior.
just pointing out he edited out the time in between shots. we dont know how long he took on those shots but it is longer than 4 seconds
@@mrzombiesawesome in one of the shots it does appear that he edited. but for the rest its not. it was an average anyway. but im sure you can agree that his shots in between on the ess were longer...anyway, like i said, an after market chassis is superior.
@@ridehi8083 please watch again. It is edited in every single shot he takes
@@mrzombiesawesome upon closer inspection of the video, you are correct. thanks.
Really need to redo the test with out useing the check rest on the chassis as you have very bad check weld on fatory stock... Have done this test and check weld will make more difference than a chassis if stock is half-decent..
That's one aspect we wanted to show, that the better chassis has the available adjustable cheek rest.
@@buildhuntxplore yeah but you can add a check rest for almost nothing....
Well done, but it looks like your scope is resting on your rail ?
Thanks! Yea this was just touching because I didn’t have a higher set of rings. New setup is plenty clear 👍
Looks to me like the scope is super close to the top rail on the MDT chassis. Could possibly affect accuracy
Yeah it was VERY close. I will be doing this again later, more distances, more rounds.
@@buildhuntxplore Looking forward to the video!
Exactly, I feel the outcome on the chassis would have been even better if there was a min of 1/8" clearance on the scope / ring combo
Great video! Your barrel is 20 inches correct? Or longer due to muzzle device. Thank you for showing a great video!
Three shot group is not a group, if you really want to see what is the accuracy and consistency is you need to shoot something like 5x5 groups and take the average. Or same POI and shoot 10x10 and take a background group using one second target behind the every group. There’s your mean accuracy and repeatability.
Great video, I'm doing the exact same upgrade. Just had a question. What's the length of the barrel vs the length of the MDT forend?
It would be interesting to see a comparison of factory stock against one that has been bedded and fore end stiffening, I epoxied an aluminum strut into mine.
Mine are 2 Howa 308s; 1st was the Knoxx Axiom, 2nd was Hogue. I can't justify a chassis.
hen you swapped the stocks, did you have to re-zero the rifle before you shot the tagets?
Yes I did. Any time anything (stock change/removal, scope, muzzle device, etc.) it needs to be re-zeroed.
The chassis can give you more possibilities with all the bells and wesles it has, but accuracy won’t change from the stock stock.
I glass bed factory stocks. It has done well for my standards and saved me $ so I can buy powder and projectiles. My Savage 93v in 17 HMR came with a beer can plastic stock, glass bedded it. Bought a factory Ruger Precision Rimfire that I did NOT glass bed. I can't see a difference. Glass bedding costs me about $4 per rifle. A $600+ chassis can pay for a lot of components. And that's just for 1 rifle. Until a chassis can improve my shots by at least 60%, guaranteed, I'll spend my money on other things.
Don't get me wrong, chassis' look way better than my factory stocks, so I lose on that every time. :D
Operator Error can't be overcome no matter how precise the tool lol
LOL so true
I wish we could have watched you swap the rifle to the new chassis.
Sorry, totally disagree with your opening comments. The bipod 'flexing' has nothing to do with accuracy. The Rem 700 is set up with a floating barrel. The accuracy between the factory stock and the aftermarket is the mounting of the receiver. Most of the modern stocks utilize a 'V' shaped well, utilizing a solid platform and reducing the (micro) movements when firing. The typical factory stock utilizes a crecent concave design which was great in its day, but with the V design, accuracy has been improved.
I was having some issues with my R700 SPS .223 couldn’t get the groups to close I was shooting around 1MOA at 100 yards that was it I bought a HS precision stock well I ended up selling it and Gor myself an M24 SWS end of my problems
I think a 5 shot group might tell more... But in all honesty, not really sure tree stock or chassis really made as much difference as did you're thinking the chassis would help...
Also, you can’t say you get a flier in a 3 shot group. That’s just me
Lol
You can have a flier with a one shot group if you know you pulled it.
Brian you can’t have a 1 shot group. Group implies plurality
@@jeremys8360 I used the word "group" incorrectly on purpose for the sake of clarity of my main point. It doesn't matter how many shots are in the group if you know the error came from the shooter and not the rifle.
Me shooting groups: Alright, breathe. Relax. Nice and smooth on the trigger. Straight back in a line. Don't grip the stock too tight. Make sure clear sight picture. Ok, slow down the heart rate. Relax. Get set up...
You: *BANG BANG BANG!* Eh, not bad. Next ammo.
I bet he's doing the same thing you are. He's just doing it faster.
Sooooo the factory stock is more consistent??