How to fix a slow draining vessel sink - Don't use an AAV
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2017
- Abbreviated version - an Air Admittance Valve (AAV) does not fix a slow draining vessel sink.
The problem occurs because there is positive air pressure stuck in the pipe between the p-trap and the drain cover "pushes" back on the water pooling in the bowl. If you allow that air to escape then the water will drain nice and fast.
You can allow that air to escape by using a Dishwasher Branch Tailpiece, clear plastic tubing, two hose clamps and an "old work gang box".
Tailpiece - www.amazon.com/Keeney-30-8WK-...
old work gang box - www.homedepot.com/p/1-Gang-14-...
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Thanks for video! Was going to put an aav on mine but watched your video. Did exactly what you did and it drains fantastic now!
Jon, you are my new hero. I installed a mini vent after the P-trap and 😢 no good. This is the answer. Thank you so much.
The principles of physics NEVER fail a thoughtful of analysis. This video is spot on. However, common sense also applies. When you use a sink that has this problem, you can actually see the silvery reflection of the air bubbles trying to get up through the drain. They simply can't get up due to the water tension. If you expand the drain hole sizes, the tension is not enough to prevent the air from coming up through the drain. The other approach is to let air out from above the p-trap through another exit hole. The video shows that approach.
I like the ease of drilling holes, but that has an aesthetic cost. Will your holes be uniform? Will you slightly go off-center and remove all of the metal separating two holes? So, this solution avoids that problem.
I don't know plumbing codes but I suspect it is not up to code. Then again, regardless of what snarky people say, nearly all old homes have multiple violations of code in one way or another. So what? No law prevents the sale of such a home. What matters is if the problem violating the code is substantial enough to be a problem for the safety or convenience of those owning or using the home. If you look at the purpose of this side-hose, it is extremely unlikely any problems could arise anyway. Even if the hose behind the wall fell down, you would need the trap to be blocked and the water to back into the hose for the problem to matter. This fellow really secured that hose, so the risk of problems is very slight. Almost any home owner is better off spending time solving other problems than wondering about a 1 in a million year event causing this solution to fail.
I have a basin sink with no overflow port and had the same problem (of course). My solution is a slight variation on your excellent approach. I replaced the straight section of PVC going to the P-trap with an outlet Tee of the type used to connect drains in a double kitchen sink. The kit came with a 16-inch section of PVC with a threaded 90-degree bend at the end that would normally attach to the second drain. I attached that end to a short PVC tailpiece (unthreaded, with compression nuts both ends ) which is then connected to the horizonal port of the Tee. The 16-inch pipe is angled so that the open end just scrapes the underside of the vanity counter. In theory, the P-trap would have to be clogged and the sink near overflowing before any danger of water out of the vent pipe. All done with ordinary 1-1/2-inch PVC compression fittings for under $8.
A side note: The Tee has an internal baffle angled downward toward the P-trap. It would be easy to ream it out if one were concerned about reduced flow rate, but I haven't found it to be a problem.
Thank you for this post! I just finish this mod. Used the garbage disposal down tube like yours. I just ran plastic tubing to the bottom of the sink in the upper back instead of high up into the wall. Water level will overflow in the sink about the same time the tube overflows. Again thank you! Works perfect!
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 @Jacks Plumbing Videos Oh I'm 100% sure it isn't lol. I did my time in construction. But for an easy homeowner mod it's perfect. I just ran a tube higher than the bowl underneath the sink.👍
@@JH-yk5se who said you could do that. whatever construction company you worked for was probably on mars.
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Your misunderstanding of my post is def from mars. Of course it isn't code.
@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 he said he was in construction, as was I, but didn't say he was a plumber. What he did say is it works for him.
Thank you for providing this simple solution to the airlock/suction/vacuum problem between the sink grate and the p-trap for vessel sinks without an overflow vent. I was envisioning a more complicated solution, modifying a "sink drain with overflow" by introducing a modified tall sink base mounting ring then routing an air tube above the sink height. Your approach is much cleaner, simpler, and SOLVES the problem. Thank you again! Others have introduced a Watts automatic float vent p/n 4a821 in the downpipe that also seems to work. Also read Oatey makes a similar float vent.
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Do not do this! This is a rigged way of trying to fix it. This guy has no idea what to do. Just stick to code, there's a reason that it's there.
@jacksplumbingvideos7147 Lol dude are you really going to reply to every comment saying it’s not to code? Get the grammar correct in that case - it’s not TO code. No one is plumbing a new construction that has to pass an inspection here, chill bro
I was skeptical because there are other videos which suggest other solutions (for example, drilling out the holes in drain grate or adding an AAV), but I implemented your solution and it worked perfectly. Now it drains like a sink with an overflow. Thanks for root causing this problem. With COVID19 we're washing our hands much more and for significantly longer so the slow drain became much more noticeable.
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 blah blah blah.
@@karlpatch4146 plumbing can’t be done wrong. If they mess up something it could cause water damage and such.
Interesting solution to a common problem. I have a vessel sink and can confirm that slow drainage is an issue even with proper venting. Sometimes increasing the diameter of the tailpiece, trap, and accessory piping from 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 dia pipe in the cabinet to the wall helps too.
Thanks for the suggestion and gr8 video explaining another possible solution.. Keep up the good work
Thank you soooo much. I was ready to rip out the entire lavatory. A sensible solution- finally.
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Jon is absolutely correct that this problem is independent of the vent system for sewer gases. I found that there can be both positive and negative pressure, depending on how much water is flowing down the drain at any particular time. The water level rises until it is high enough to overcome the positive pressure, and then it drains quickly until it causes a vacuum. I added an AAV between the sink and the P-trap and it helps. Still looking for a solution to positive pressure that allows air to escape, but would close if water backed up in the system. (Modifying the drain is not an option in my situation.)
Omgoodness, that was so helpful. Solved a huge prob for me thank you very much for sharing!!👍🏼
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 So, what do you suggest?
This is what I have been planning to do to my newly installed screen type drains in my bathroom but I cannot find a dishwasher T in 1 1/4 inch pvc.
Interesting problem with interesting solutions proposed by you and others! Thanks for sharing!
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Jon, I believe the issue in your argument is that an AAV after the P-trap is not a solution; however for the purposes of a vessel sink venting the AAV would come before the P-trap. My understanding is that post P-trap AAV is for another venting problem altogether, nothing to do with a vessel sink. AAV's were not invented for vessel sink venting but work just fine as long as before the P-trap.
Therefore I propose that:
1) an AAV can be placed before the P-trap successfully if there is enough room in the piping assembly
2) your solution obviously will work - but I propose that the plastic tube can be run up the faucet assembly as long as there is enough room up there and it goes above the top of the vessel sink. Furthermore, it lets less air in than an AAV so will drain slower.
3) A different drain (pop-up umbrella) will solve the problem as Terry Love demonstrated if that is an aesthetically acceptable solution.
In any event, running it up the wall into a retrofit electrical box is wildly impractical and aesthetically sort of a joke - but I'll give you an "A" for macgyvering skills.
You're absolutely that AAVs were not designed for vessel sinks, and came into use prior to the vessel sink fad. However, an AAV would not work between the p-trap and the sink grate, because they are Air *Admittance* Valves. They let air INTO the system, but to not let escape. As I demonstrated by plugging my McGyver'd vent with my finger, air needs to ESCAPE, not be let in.
I do like your idea regarding running the air escape tube up the faucet assembly, assuming it goes above the top of the vessel, and did give it some consideration. I think a very small tube could do the job, too, so long as it doesn't get kinked/closed. Very little air needs to escape before it'll start draining fast. The biggest question is whether or not the faucet assembly makes that possible. In my particular case, running it up the wall was the easier solution.
The problem with the umbrella pop-up drain is that if someone closes the drain cover and lets the water run, you have a flood. There's no overflow on a vessel sink. A convex strainer is a simpler solution.
Plugging it with your finger doesn't prove which way the air is flowing. Lol.
Nice job man.
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Thanks. I knew it wasn't a restricted pipe because I can fill the sink to the top and then open the drain and it drains very fast but if you start running the water, the water builds up to about 3 inches and just sits there, and drains very slowly till it empties. Then at the last moment it burbles a bit and then finishes draining. I can test to see if a AAV valve will help by running a bit of tube down the sink and see if it still drains slow. Thanks!
Yep, just as I thought. I stuck a small tube down the drain and then turned the water on. That fixes the slow draining sink problem. I'll have to do some kind of fix like this. I don't want to have water blasting out of the wall if the sink stops up and someone uses a plunger on it though. I'll have to think of a way to make the air vent visible to the sink operator, like install it on the side of the sink console.
@@Vention1MGTOW as long as you put the top of the vent above the top of the vessel bowl, you will not have a problem. If you have a clog in your p-trap, you'll see the bowl close to overflowing. If you put the top vent so it was under the sink, then yes, you're going to have a big mess on your hands.
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I just yanked the little cable operated plug out of the sink. Fixed the problem. If I really want to fix the problem though I'll just go buy a new sink that has a vent in it already. They went cheap when they installed the one I have.
We live in a manufactured/mobile home and there us no overflow on our bathroom sinks or bathtubs and we have no problems with water going down. There are AAVs for the sinks and the plumbing to the bathtubs is vented.
I believe the only way an AAV might work for you is if it was mounted higher than the water level of your sink which isn't possible so your solution seems the best.
I knew it! Everyone to me to do the AAV which i did and it did not work! This will my project for tomorrow. Thanks!
You installed it wrong.
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 so why couldn't you just have suggested the aav above the p trap as an expert and not leave us hanging?
as I explained in the video. an AAV allows air IN. not OUT. it will do nothing before the p-trap.
I think it's more okey than putting cheater value, well done sir, thanks.
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 why don't you suggest we visit your channel so you can explain how we can do it properly. Do you have such a video Jack?
I am literally trying to make some sense of this because my kitchen sink is kinda having the same problem but a little bit complicated. I hope I got it right 😥
The problem is the grated drain cover. If you change it to a push-stopper drain it will work just fine.
that is part of the problem. yes. I could use a push stop and that would work. But I like the grate. I have little kids and want it make it harder for them to clog the pipes.
@Bryan D Search Amazon for "push stopper for bath sink"
My issue is my pop up drain hair cather isn't allowing the water to drain fast enough. I don't have that problem when its removed.
So...theoretically, I could buy a dishwasher air gap vent cap, remove the soap dispenser currently installed on my kitchen sink, run the hose to that air gap cap in place of the soap dispenser?
As soon as you wash your hand bubbles will back that line up then you’ll be right back in the same position.
So many plumbers and electricians out there are so smug and condescending. Not all of them of course. But those who would much rather charge you $80 and up per hour than make a helpful suggestion. We are not all rich and over paid out here and therefore appreciate the FREE helpful suggestions, like this video, whether or not they are to your stinking code.
PHEW! I feel much better!
I know I will now get reamed by those greedy plumbers out there. But I also know not ALL plumbers out there are like this. I have many nephews who are plumbers who would buy you a new shirt rather than give you the one on their back. So, to all you kind and generous plumbers out there, I am not taking about you🥵
makes sense. thank you for sharing.
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@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 is this your part time job telling everyone out there its wrong but offering no better suggestions?
@@karlpatch4146 a proper AAV or a vent stack.
Thank you,Just want to ask, is there possiblity for stinking smell?. Do you made any upgrade
if it smells, then it is not the fault of my setup. You may actually need an AAV on the back side of the p-trap as well. Smell = sewer gas. The only way that should be possible is if you get negative pressure on the wall side of the p-trap.
Love u man
So I did this and it worked perfectly. However now I have an issue I just noticed the next day. Anytime I wash my hands in the sink, the soapy suds in the tailpipe push through that exit and up the tube! Any suggestions?? Thanks
What if you move the p-trap up closer to the drain and reduce the volume of air that is trapped?
that is an interesting thought. My *guess* is that it would make a negligible difference, but it's worth experimenting with.
venting always happens after the p trap not before......
have fun with the sewer gas!
Nice brain function. Brilliant
I think I will try your solution. I have an undermount vessel sink that drains very slowly. It was originally installed with a slotted drain very much like yours. We then installed a drain that pops up and down by pushing with your finger. It still drained slowly so I had a plumber install an AAV (on the back side of the P). It made very little difference, if at all. I was going to purchase a new faucet/drain with a pop up drain, but I think I'll try this first. My tube needs only to go to the top of the base cabinet however, because my sink is an undermount. And I don't need to worry about the drain getting clogged because I use my plunger on my sink every month or so to try and alleviate the drain problem. All I ever get is whisker residue from shaving.
It worked! For the first time in 13 years there's a whirlpool in my sink, and the water doesn't come up any higher than the top of the drain button! I'm a 70 year old female and if I can do this so can you!
Thank you for the education. :-)
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I actually think this is a good idea up to a point. Don't think you need to go all the way up the wall, just up to the sink level underneath. I'm going to try this on a sink I installed, will let you know how it goes.
Did you end up trying this?
Well, did you try the sink level?
you're right, you don't need to go so far up the wall. But you do have to have it go above the top of the sink. Will it work at first blush if you have it stopped below that? Yes. But if you get a clog in the p-trap, the water will come out that tube, underneath your sink and you may not realize it.
Yes absolutely correct only above the height of sink is enough.
OMG! I am over 50, and I have never had a bathroom sink where the overflow was not completely blocked, and they all drained just fine, so there goes that theory, plus what about kitchen sinks and laundry sinks that do not have overflow holes? They drain just fine after being filled all the way up.
The problem with these sinks appears to be the little plate that covers the drain. The holes are creating enough surface tension that it stops everything up. Almost like taking a bottle full of water, covering it with your hand, flipping it upside down, and removing your hand -- the water stays in the bottle. But, it has to be the right shaped bottle. Think of the drain cover as the bottle opening.. If you change that out, or even drill the holes differently, the sink should drain properly. It is just one of those things where the shape of the sink, the type of drain cover, and the flow of water from the faucet come together to cause problems.
1. Most kitchen sinks are double basin. The drain in the other basin is what allows the air to exit, that and the drains are rather large.
2. You're totally right about the grate, it is a combination of the grate AND not having an overflow (aka air escape hole). You can widen the holes in the grate. You could also change the type of covering. But I like the look of my grate, drilling holes in it would likely be uneven, and it is oil-rubbed bronze. It would ruin the finish. There are absolutely other ways to deal with this issue. This is the way I chose, and it works well for my constraints and desires.
Good DIY solution, I would just disagree with the comment that most kitchen sinks are doubles. There are a lot fewer double kitchen sinks than single
@@arinpounov369 ,
I agree. I've had 10 kitchen sinks in my life, and only 1 was a double.
Nah, most kitchen sinks are double
Excellent 👌. this vessel sink is too much
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no. I'm sure it isn't code. But if secured and seated properly, I don't see the risk. If a company out there sold an "air escape valve", I would have bought it and used it. Unfortunately I couldn't find such a device.
air admittance valve works if you install it after the trap 6'' above Also the AAV wont allow sewer gas back because they have a one way check valve. Nice idea though.
You quite obviously didn't watch the video, nor understand the physics. There are plenty of people in the comments saying an AAV didn't work for them, but this solution did.
Your mirror ain't going to be flush with the wall now tho gotta recess that electrical box but at least your sink is draining tho
that is a really good point. I had a tilting mirror that kept the mirror about 4" away from the wall.
Isn’t it negative pressure causing the issue. An AAV on the pipes would do the trick
I wondered the same. But I'm a newbie
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Yes, what he did, solved his problem of the sink not having a built-in air vent system hole. But this is completely NOT NECESSARY !!! By installing an air admittance valve (AAV) after the p-trap it allows air into the system to release the air pressure, which prevents an air lock. Also, an (AAV) is a one-way check valve " it allows air in and does not allow air out of the valve. It would take 10 -15 psi to blow the (AVV) top part of the valve off. Your drainage system probably has anywhere between 3 to 5 psi MAX !
I'm not slamming the author of this video, just trying to make it clear, that in this case an (AVV) would have solved that problem.
no. no. no. and air admittance valve is for allowing air INTO the sewer side of a p-trap. If water from an upstairs toilet/bathtub rushes down the sewer pipe it can cause negative pressure on the sewer side and drain the p-trap. My solution allows air OUT on the house side of the p-trap.
@@jonvongillern762 that would only happen if the upstairs waste lines are not vented, however, correct?
@@jameskovac5048 Theoretically, a single vent anywhere on the sewer side anywhere in the house will vent the entire house, unless someone put a p-trap on parts of the vent (imagine two successive p-traps... somewhere). I don't know why anyone would do that, but I imagine it's been done by a layman somewhere. However, in practice, air is compressive (very much so), and therefore even though the system is vented, air can not rush into the vent on the top of the house fast enough to prevent the negative pressure from an upstairs flush from syphoning out a p-trap on a lower level sink. For the most part however, the vast majority sinks do not need an AAV, the real test for needing an AAV is: "does my house sometimes smell like sewer gas". If so, find the sink that smells the most strongly and install an AAV there. This is a completely separate problem from a slow draining vessel sink. I do not see any reason that they would be mutually exclusive. If your sink drains slow AND sometimes smells like sewer gas, then you can totally install my house-side vent AND a sewer-side AAV.
I have the same problem. I’m going to bet all the naysayers think they know the solution based on logic. So to all of you, go buy one of these sinks! Then you will see for yourselves the problem. I put an AAV after the p-trap...did not fix it. AAV Does not work for this problem! I put the old crappy sink back in, the one with the overflow hole. Drains fine.
be careful if you ever have to use a plunger....going to take a dirty shower
You're right. But it is a sink with a grate on it. I don't know what is going to cause a clog that needs a plunger. Regular build up? Sure, maybe. But I'll use draino, not a plunger.
You should definatley not go through all this trouble. Buy a vessel or pop up drain,(no overflow). Change this grid drain out and it will work. He is correct on the analysis but the fix is much more simple
a popup drain will definitely work better. I've got young kids and wanted the grated screen to prevent them from dropping toys down the sink.
Same theory... Air.
He's half right lol
Let’s over think 🤔
I am looking to solve the same problem. I already figured out the drilling-larger-holes solution, but I like an adaption of this better. Until then, I have been using my hand to direct the faucet flow around the basin, creating a whirlpool effect. It reduces height of the water in the center and allows air bubbles to breach through sooner. :-D However, who wants to waste time creating whirlpools (or, trying to aerate the water) to encourage air escape from the drain?
Increasing the size of the holes in the grate is one way to try to alleviate a slow draining vessel sink. Most of them are too small and the surface tension of water prevents it from going through the grate when there is positive pressure underneath.
What is a AAV?
Air admittance Valve
This is fine if you want smells from your sewer / septic system to have access to your house. The trap may stop the smells most of the time but not always. Need a real vent pipe ran to the roof and putting these gases outside.
wrong. the P trap prevents sewer gas from coming into the house. the vent I've created is on the front side of the P trap, not the back side. It is functionally identical from a pneumatic standpoint as the overflow hole found on most counter sinks.
as Jon mentions this is not the problem. at all! it is the pressure in the pipe *before* the p-trap. As Terry Love has demonstrated in a vid somewhere, there are drains that can also solve this problem, but you must be willing to have an umbrella drain which has aesthetic implications. This or an AAV are fine. Not sure I would run this up the wall like Jon though.
and the reason you dont do that is you dont want sewer gases in your bathroom
the air escape that I've added is no different, structurally, from an overflow hole on a traditional sink. it is on the house side of the water/P-trap. there will be no sewer gasses in your house.
You obviously have no understanding that the p trap prevents the gas from passing it by holding standing water as a one way valve in effect
*To small returned*
lesson learned.. do not buy a vessel sink
That sink doesn't have a stopper? Don't change your contact lenses over it. How you supposed to soak your socks?
LOL! Not every bathroom in every house is an all-purpose utility room. My first-floor bathroom is only to be used for voiding, hand-washing (no automotive grease!), and checking one's appearance in the mirror. If you want to wash socks, we have a laundry room. Also, the drain in this sink should be able to stop a soft contact lens.
if you put a valve on the back pipe, you will be smelling sewer ALL DAY LONG..
They are actually a check valve. Air will go in but not out. Work great when you can't get a vent set up probably.
What do you think an AAV does? The AAV only has to be 4" above the tailpiece, so you went way over board of taking it above the sink. Really think what you did is code? No.
Listen, I can explain it to you (and I did in the video), but I can't understand it for you. Good luck with your AAV, especially putting it above the tailpiece. lol.
That looks like trash,
What looks like trash is the vessel sink when it drains slowly because it leaves so much more soap residue. This may look like trash (as if some plumbing is "beautiful"), but it's hidden. Who GAF?
Great idea thanks for the tip
@@edwardlee7491 you mea bad idea. the suggestion in the video was not to code.
@@jacksplumbingvideos7147 seems you have no to-code solution to share... so I guess you just don't know "jack"-all about the problem.
@@nmckinlay yes I do. He should use an aav. So don’t be an ass.
No gusta lol no bueno
Marisa you caught that too hahaha
Very fancy, but completely against code.
Mitchell M , you got a better suggestion?
@@karlpatch4146 Yeah, follow the code instead of a janky hose up the wall or better yet get them to acknowledge the problem and address it in the code. Either way this fix likely won't pass inspection so DIY-ers beware!
@@EagleMitch all you guys keep saying code code code but why don't you take 5 stinking seconds and the us what is the "CODES" suggestion for a problem like this?!?!
Or is it a " secret code" with a special handshake that you plumbers can't tell anyone about unless we pay the fine.
Sorry to disagree. You absolutely can use an AAV. You just have to install the AAV by installing a "Tee" and installing it just before it goes into the wall and prior to the P trap. The way you have done it, were you to have sufficient back pressure from somewhere else in the system, it will siphon all the water out of your "P" trap. This will cause a back up of sewer gas to be released in the room. The only solution you have provided is drainage. You have not solved the possibility of sewer gas back up.
In addition, some of the AAVs are designed like a check valve. If water were to back up to the AAV because of a clogged sink, it would stop the water from escaping through the AAV due to check valve action. Additionally, If the AAV fails, it fails in the closed position, not allowing any water back up to overflow back through the AAV. AAVs are an excellent choice for renovations where installing an actual vent is not practical.
Yes. An AAV will help prevent back pressure from siphoning out the p-trap. That is NOT the problem I have or am trying to fix. An AAV will not allow entrapped air between the P-Trap and the drain. AAV = Air ADMITANCE Valve. It allows air IN, not OUT. 411plumb.com/why-does-my-vessel-sink-drain-slow/
This is why I don’t like giving all design decisions to the wife. Please tell me this is not the way to male the sink operate
This is so hack... people please don't do this. For 80$ and very little drama you can fix this the correct way. Brooooo stop making these videos
How can you correctly fix it?
@@FoxNewsNewYork two most common and easiest fix is either to replace the drain with a pop up style (without over flow) or to drill out the center holes in the drain slightly bigger then the outside holes. Drain is much better idea though
This video gives a better solution for those who want guests to see an unmarred drain, plus the smaller holes will trap a dropped earring back. Your bigger holes will not. This explains the reasons well enough as to what options you have. Your reply incorrectly assumes only your option is wise.
@@perfectedsounds I replaced mine with a pop up and it didn't work. It's slightly better than the previous drain, but not much.
all this is just not necessary. Just buy an air admittance valve. Solve you problem
i spent a lot of time describing exactly how and why an AAV does not solve the problem. I demonstrate how my solution actually works. but if you want to waste your time and money, be my guest
@@jonvongillern762 you're wasting time and money to buy the right fittings to install a dishwasher vent pipe upside down, then installing it and cutting holes in your wall to run a tube up it then buying a junction box to run the tube into. I have an AAV under my kitchen sink after the p-trap above my sanitary tee and it works just fine.
@@smklvr69 What i installed was not upside down, that is how it is supposed to look when you install under a kitchen sink for a dishwasher. There are internal baffles that make it obvious that it is the correct orientation although you can't see them in this video. And, as I made it abundantly clear in the video - AAVs are great - for their built purpose - letting air INTO the system to prevent negative pressure from draining the P-trap. That is a completely different problem than what I was solving. My problem was that POSITIVE pressure was building between the sink grate and the p-trap, causing the water to drain slowly because it was being pushed up by the air under the grate and the surface tension of water further made it difficult to flow down the small holes of the grate. I even show what happens when you plug that tube. It drains slow.
Think before talking. You claim an (unsuitable "solution") works. Prove it. Recreate this exact problem and see how your idea fails. Maybe you don't understand the concepts of pressure and gravity, but an air **admittance** valve after the p-trap does not solve the problem for this **particular** problem of a vessel sink without a means of air escape during use. As the video says, the issue does NOT require air admitted after the p-trap, and if you would THINK you would realize this. The ultimate validation is real world testing. Create the scenario in the video. In fact, put even smaller holes in the drain. Good luck with your AAV "solution".
@@jonvongillern762 still a useless fix as it's not fixing the problem, just putting a band aid on it. And the only reason it's so high in the wall is because you could hide it behind a mirror....smh. fix your piping and venting in the house and you wont have "positive pressure" in your line which means its backed up or not properly venting so when you drain the sink it fills the pipe till the blockage then fills to the AAV then the drain wont drain.
Sewer gas potential in the bathroom. This wouldn't pass inspection. It is a fix, just not the best one.
wrong. The air escape that I've created is on the house side of the P-Trap. It is NOT on on the sewer side. The sewer gas cannot, and does not get around the standard p-trap. Will it pass inspection? I could see some technical issue the building inspector would have with the type of tubing, or clamps that I use not being approved, but functionally from a pneumatic perspective this is the same as a "overflow" outlet on a normal bathroom sink.
@@jonvongillern762 the video suggestion is not code
You are right, it won't pass inspection, but it also won't let sewer gases in, why would you think that? It is part of the sink, in effect, not the p trap.