Bands still exist. They are more local. There are young people who form them. The charts don’t always keep track of what’s happening under the radar. Session musicians are still a thing in the country world. Amusement parks have bands. Cruise ships as well.
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I like this video, but I think that it misses the mark on a couple of things. Bands have been around since cavemen sang and played instruments. Bands were around a long, long time before audio recording was even invented. So, yes, the commercialization of bands, with recordings, was a period of time. That's the business part. Note that you said that young people in particular are willing to accept one person productions, as opposed to bands. Young people, decendents of baby boomers, were spoiled. They were dotted on by their parents and grandparents. Everything is about them. Note the popularity of the selfie with younger generations. That speaks volumes. Technology did rev up the ability for people to self indulge, and focus on themselves. Young people text each other, instead of actually being around each other. They see each other on a screen. This means that young people didn't have to develop as many social skills, as before the invention of the internet and cell phones. The combination of affluence, being dotted on, having communication technology (internet and phone), along with instant gratification (want it now, no more lay-a-way and wait, you have it now with credit cards) made for a couple of generations whose whole orientation is about the "self." This was a cultural shift. Now, being in a band, isn't just about money. It's about an experience, and creating something as a group. Being in a band requires social skills. If everyone is focused on themselves, and getting what they themselves want, of course having a band isn't going to work very well. After all, with a group, it isn't "all about you." Add to this the efficiency and economy (as he pointed to in this video) of hiring only one person, and there is an incentive, business wise, to have only individual creators/workers for entertainment. What this video left out is the "me-ism" component in young people, and how that play out with less bands being created. Everyone, regardless of how medicore their talent, is going to be the star of the show: See.... I can play three chords on my guitar and sing... I'm a star... see I can make a beat with the press of a button and say some poetry. No advanced development of talent required because the "look at me" generation doesn't appreciate it anyway. They want something to shake their a$$es to, or something simple and repetative to either sing along with, or recite the rap poetry with. Don't bother to try to improve yourself on your instrument, or do other talent development because young people can't even recognize when you do that, lots of times (nor would they care, even if you did.) What I'm getting at is a giant cultural shift, it's facilitated by technology, but technology doesn't do something like spoil your kids, or teach them to focus on themselves, only.
@@ministryofguitar Yeah, unfortunately quite inevitable that something like this is gonna happen one by one ever since Windows 95 saw it's public release and while ground breaking is the start of making us being sedentary to the computer A LOT(especially because of something known as the internet) and when DAWs and later probably even AI(which could be used as a stock music, backing track(for hip hop), layer or even just background track to fill up any instruments you record) came a long, musicians especially are becoming further isolated.
Most likely, also a team of songwriters, too. In general, the companies, find a young singer, and market them. Very little creativity is involved anymore, if any. Pre-fabricated, cookie-cutter artists modeled after current, well-selling "artists".
I'm thankful to have experienced the analog, gear hauling, multi member band. The process of creating something, honing it, taking it out live and putting it down in the studio, doubling tracks the old fashioned way lol. Fortunate enough to still be playing music 2 to 6 times a week through worship - with a real amp!! Always enjoy your perspective on things.
You haven’t needed to have a band since the birth of multitrack recording. For example, Mike Oldfield recorded Tubular Bells in 1971, and Jean-Michel Jarre recorded Oxgene in 1976. So the solo artist performing all the parts and also doing the production is not necessarily a recent phenomenon.
theoretically. And some did that. But the technology to achieve sound quality was still very expensive and detailed and home recording was poor quality. Computers, once they became fast in about 2005, changed all of that, clean with clean and bright sounds, and much cheaper than tape,
Complexity is like exercise for the mind. Inconvenience is what leads to innovation and progress; so the mind must be able to “critically think” to even innovate the technology that will in the future make things “easier.” Unfortunately the people who are blessed with the “advanced tech” that provides convenience will suffer from declining “critical thought.” And so we are where we are. From being taught how to think to being taught what to think.
This is the age of the sideman (as limiting as that is) but for me, it’s about making a living. It’s pretty much impossible to make a living as a set member of a band anymore. The work’s just not there. As a hired musician there’s much more work available. It’s pretty much always been that way. You have to make a decision as to what do want to get out of the music industry. I really couldn’t care less if someone knows who I am or how “famous” I become. But I do care greatly if I can pay my bills or not.
Bingo! My band is currently organizing our next gig and after counting our expenses you know who earns the most money at the end of the day? The sound guy we hired. We have to load the car, unload, set up, play, pack up, load in, drive home etc. and of course rehearse on a regular basis. Then you name your price and people are like "that's expensive". Of course it is, I have to pay for my gas and my guitar strings and maintain my gear. Yet the soundtech shows up, mixes us, earns three times the amount of one band member and he's done for the night. And without him, we're screwed 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@GuitarIv69but it always was this way, very few people could earn a living playing in a band full-time compared to number of people who tried playing in a band at some point of their lives
Contemporary popular music is just an extension of global homogenization that requires cultural stagnation. Derivative is the norm and novelty saps the mass appeal needed to be marketable. Bands are outmoded in the goal of developing parasocial relationships with your favorite cultural products that are chosen for you by the algorithm. Tune in and switch your brain off to receive the message and consume the next amazing product. Thought provoking take as usual right honourable guitar minister.
Some impressive language used there! True. Its like cars, all homogenized these days. And as I dont consume radio or mtv or whatever, I actually find the newer catchy songs from those that appear in advertising
Technology also changed the other side of the equation: The audience and the way how interacts with music. 50, 40, 30 years ago, individuals had access to radio stations, and a limited number of physical cassetes and albums. Many people expended 30 minutes, 1 hour or more just listening to their own limited music collection in their rooms. Nowaways, there is not time left for that, people expend most of the time consuming UA-cam and TikTok videos (my self included). Spotify and UA-cam provide instantaneous access to literally millions of songs and videos from the last 50 years. This overload of music supply makes demand irrelevant and therefore music business stalled two decades ago.
Yeah, music-related subcultures became way less important with digital age when music more and more became a background. Back in the day there was an opportunity cost of buying the album because you could buy only one with your 15 bucks or whatever. And you needed to go to a record store and a specific one if you wanted something non-mainstream. Now 15 bucks a month buys you all the music in the world so naturally you are less serious about it
I always hated being in bands, egos and attitudes always got in the way. Modern technology for solo production is a God send, I completely understand its appeal.
Nice edit going to B&W imaging with your ad. As an old school photographer (remember that tech, chemistry, not physics?) I spent too many hours in the dark smelling acetic acid.
Yes - you can make whole arrangement on the computer but it takes serious skill to make it sound good. It's much easier to record real musicians with accoustic instruments.
You don't understand something very important! The world today is all about niches. There won't be the next Michael Jackson or Madonna which will be famous worldwide. Today there are artists famous in a given niche. Many people like bands and will always do. The world is going tribal again and that's good. Playing instruments is cool and many people like to see bands playing. If you don't that's ok.
It's very true that bands are almost nonexistent on the charts compared to individual performers. But I still have hope. Back in 1963 the charts were filled with individual singers and a lot of fluff, Guitar Bands were considered "out", then in February 1964, it all changed thanks to the Beatles and bands ruled the charts for many years to follow. All it takes is that one band to break big and everyone will follow. It happened with Stadium rock, with Hair Bands, with Grunge, with Pop-Punk... It just takes one great band to open the flood gates.
Guitar driven bands are now as relevant as jazz bands. People like them and people will not stop doing it, but ultimately it is an aesthetic from another age.
Having multiple creative people in the same room is both an advantage and a disadvantage. They can produce something larger than sum of the parts or just constantly fight with each other
2:44 In general I find the simpler things to be elegant, and often on the long run more free of hassle, and the problems that might arise easier to fix. That's why I use simple devices to make coffee, such as moka pot, french press, etc.) and don't have a fully automated machine. For similar reasons I don't like it when things like home devices or musical instruments are overly "smart" or versatile, when there is often a few aspects that I use most of the time. And I love it when restaurants just have a handful of (very decent) menu options instead of hundreds of slightly differing variations of ingredients randomly put together 🥲 Although I got the feeling you had the exact opposite in mind when giving the example of making coffee and using words like easy and "complicated", so I guess in the end it's in part a matter of perspective :)
People have always looked to the past for inspiration. Romans were obsessed with Greeks. Brits, during the 60's, were looking back at blues from decades prior.
1:07 Arguably, bands that exemplify the reactionary movement in rock music that champions "looking back to an earlier time" can be found starting from the late 1970s: The Jam were heavily inspired by The Who, The Ramones were basically the Beach Boys with distorted guitars, and the stylistic origins of punk could easily be found in the music of The Kinks Once you strip away the image-based aspects of it and focus on the music itself, it is much easier to view punk as a conservative movement that sought to destroy the sprawling inventiveness associated with 1970s progressive rock; it was about "returning rock to its roots" Some will also argue that protopunk bands like the VU, Stooges, MC5 and New York Dolls had a huge influence on punk; I believe that this influence may be exaggerated and not all of the material by these groups even sounds like punk
So what? I'd rather have places to play music with people out and about than just sit in my glitter cube designing drugs for rubes keyed for popularity and not anything worthwhile. Jam bands still do things. We rarely get paid, but so what? The industry is and always has been cursed.
Interesting but wrong. It’s not tech and tools that has created this perception of no bands or groups having popular hits anymore. Musicians are needed and part of every single ‘artist’ singer’s career. Many artists use the same musicians for years even starting their careers with a particular co writer accompanist. The difference is marketing and advice from labels managers etc. they don’t want their singer artist to disappear into a band line up. They always want solo artists. In the past this pressure would break up bands as the lead singer would be encouraged to go solo. If this was the 70s or 80s Billie Eilish would be a band as her brother is a crucial part of the act. Like Dave Stewart and Annie Lennox were the Eurythmics - today Dave would be pushed into the background and the entire focus would be on Annie. Bands or groups of musicians are still making the music, everyone just focuses on the singers who often don’t write their own lyrics, can’t play instruments and have an image that is created for the sake of marketing and reflects current trends. A lot of musicians don’t care about not being the face of their own work, but when I see people making videos like this it does make me eye roll a bit. Few people understand how records are made, how songs are written and how whole careers are shaped. And don’t get me started on that ‘expert’ Beato - helping to shape the misconceptions of the ignorant across the world - rarse.
Bands aren’t dead. Right now, your new favorite band just released new music. You have to discover them on your own. Instead of being spoonfed new music via the radio, you have to seek them out. Some of my favorite bands right now, I never new existed 3-4 years ago, because I was listening to the same old stuff thinking that “anything new sucks” and “there’s no good bands anymore”.
Just because you can do something doesn’t make it a good idea. While music can be made/consumed, etc., it’s often better and more meaningful when it’s a shared experience. It’s a language that connect us in a way that words cannot.
I get your point about looking back instead of forward (and the relationship between technology and the evolution of popular music) but it should be noted that Roxy Music had retro-futurism and post-modernism way back in 1972! 😮 (To be fair, they were still a mainly forward looking band, even though they took many of their cues from the past.)
I'm seeing a resurgence in live music at grassroots level. Pubs and clubs have been dying on their arses (here in the UK) for a while now and for a whole host of reasons, venues are looking at bringing people back out to buy their £7 pints, and live music is one option. I think the industry is still readjusting, still learning how to make money without record sales. It was only really in the 60s that organic bands gained any type of popularity, before that it was all singers. It's like the industry has pressed the reset button. Bands will rise again.
We have lost our way. Just because you can, pickup trucks became huge with more and more features to 70k, when a basic truck costing 25% could be just fine. A band is like playing dungeons and dragons live with friends its a group creation lost... We will go back to as gestalts idea is correct being the sum is greater than the parts. We forgot synergy and purpose. Part of why music became what it is right now
Jack Antonoff's band Bleachers (formed in 2014) is a band that has had critical and touring success on their own in the US, but more interesting they sit at the intersection of band-world and solo pop artist-world because on many songs they serve as a sort of "house band" (like the old "Wrecking Crew") for artists like Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, Florence and the Machine, Sabrina Carpenter, among others.
Maybe not considered mainstream, but check out Amyl and the Sniffers from Australia. Rock/punk. Brilliant band, lots of energy, and doing it old school. 2 of my favorites are Guided by Angels, and Hertz. Check them out :)
I refuse to believe that the days of having a band are gone. I think it comes down to a matter of choice, both in terms of how you choose to make your music as well as with what music you choose to consume. While it's true that pretty much everything I've recorded so far has been self-made, my preference is to have the music I make be made with a band. But not having that band available at this time is not going to stop me from making the music I want to make (i.e., music by a rock band) the way I way I hear it in my head. Likewise, the stuff I enjoy listening to the most is not influenced by what's popular at the moment, but by what informs my own favored preferences (again, music made by a rock band - although, to be frank, I'm also really heavy into orchestral/symphonic styles as well). I guess I just enjoy my music when it's made by an ensemble. That's not to say I don't love music made by soloists, because I definitely do (and I occasionally write songs intended to be played and sung by just me and my guitar). Anyway, yeah. I'll never believe that the time for music by bands is forever consigned to history. Not when I still find bands playing and I'm still enjoying them (and I'm still making that kind of music and still craving to play that stuff live with a full rock band).
måneskin are awesome. fyi, it's pronounced moh-neskin. it means moonlight in danish. good commentary though. i was a musician in the 1990s and getting people together to play was challenging, nevermind recording something. now, i record in my room and have access to resources i could never have imagined when i was a young guitar player. i've also been lucky to find a group of people who like to get together and play music regularly. we perform at a bar and in a public park almost weekly. the only problem is that i am one of the 'younger' jam band members.
In the old days you played the pubs and clubs and the record company A&R men would see and hear you. All they mostly do now is scout at the stage schools for a star and get a load of session players in behind the 'star' - this means the band doesn't grow and the 'star' usually wanes.
I think that Jason Isabel and the 400 unit are popular in the US. Not likely that is would be on your radar. In fact there are many Country bands. Bands with instruments and multiple people. There is a great deal of momentum there. This is why you see pop acts such as Rihanna riding the wave.
If you talk pop music and charts you are probably right. Who needs a band to follow a template. Blues rock and rock is under the radar and is so much better for it in my opinion. Forget the charts. Go to a club and see live music. Go to a blues club and see Larkin Poe, Ally Venable, Samantha Fish, Marcus King and on and on. Go see The Warning, Lilliac, Band Maid rock out. This argument ruffles my feathers as much as the rock is dead comments. Sure, it’s all dead if you listen to mainstream media and pop music. If that’s your thing then fine. For me I am going to continue to support live bands like Dirty Honey, The Answer, Rival Sons, Dea Matrona etc. Good, creative bands will take advantage of technology and be replaced by it.
If you ask me, bands don't need to exist because at the end of the day the only elements that aren't interchangeble are the songwriter and the vocalist. Everyone else can be replaced.
Hindley Street Country Club band.....arguably the "world's BEST cover band" hailing from Australia.....REALLY love their music and vast cover library on their website. Check it.
Las bandas existen, pero viven una crisis de creatividad. Por ejemplo el reggaeton existe un cantante y un productor que crea la musica, asi que tambien es una banda pero en un nuevo formato..
My favorite new music to liaten to today is, the Dead South, Southern River Band, Die Spits and Starcrawler. All bands. I get that nearly all top 40 streams and the most popular are not bands. . That doesnt mean there isnt a real place for bands still. Maybe just more underground, but F it. . . Thats how rock n roll started anyway.
@@ministryofguitar An act that sells more tickets than albums or singles doesn't have to be "underground." There are several multi millionaire acts that never charted on the pop charts while there are broke acts that have charted.
There’s still plenty of great bands that Rick beato and this guy will never hear about. Because they are heavily gatekept by fans that don’t want them going mainstream. Cause once it’s popular society will ruin it.
Quite a negative piece overall. There are still bands out there. Yes, you have to look harder to find them, and no they're not popular in the charts, but that doesn't detract from their quality, just their popularity. The Struts, Massive Wagons, The Dust Coda, Station, Cats In Space, The New Roses, Care Of Night... look and you will find them. Just don't try looking in the charts.
bands are not extinct - they don't dominate the charts as they once did, but there is still a big presence...like tube amps being surpassed by modeling technology - they too are far from being extinct
Just my 2 cents but no one should be getting into music to be rich and famous per se; they should be making art and being creative for the fun/joy/satisfaction of it (and most things are more fun with friends) and if it turns out they're doing something that turns out to be popular and profitable, great, try it for a few years but accept that you might be back in the 9-5 world in a few years (but with some great stories and life experience). Lead singer from one of my favourite bands, who put out 3 successful albums currently sells kitchens for a living. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
@@Boghopper9999 Yeah, I do feel for bands to last overtime there needs to be some economic return on it. May not pay your all bills but putting an extra couple hundred bucks a month in your pocket definitely helps for longevity
I'm not doom and gloom about this at all. AI is going to be of great use for the home producer. Problem with being one person is, if I want a choir part in the song, how do i do it? I dont have one at my disposal. If I want a rapper, how do I do it? AI is going to fix this lack of available talent, and the best songs ever written, are yet to come.
@@Vroomfondle1066 that’s a bit like the flying car concept that never quite arrives. But if it did, most songs are so bland it’s as if a computer did write it anyway. And it still doesn’t stop you writing a song.
I get the point of this but it is narrow in thought and lacking in full research. Similar to Rick Beato, you are only concentrating on charts. Microcelebrity defines the day. There has always been DIY artists like Les Paul, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Trent Reznor and more. There has always been revivalists like the 50’s rock trend in the 70’s. There are great bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and Ghost to name my favourites. There has always been bands that should have been more popular like the Kinks 70s/80s stuff. It’s better now because I can see great bands in clubs instead of stadiums. Also, there’s more girl rock bands so finally teenage boys can gawk at rock musician and have their poster on their wall. Major label rock got boring in the 2000s because of record executives with a money focus and they all sounded the same. Now it’s time for pure creativity. Being in a rock band as a teenager is like being on a sports team and is amazing for their development. BTW you’re thinking of Buddhist sand mandalas. Thanks for the vid. Listen to Ghost Impera and tell me rock is not relevant.
Bands still exist. They are more local. There are young people who form them. The charts don’t always keep track of what’s happening under the radar. Session musicians are still a thing in the country world. Amusement parks have bands. Cruise ships as well.
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I like this video, but I think that it misses the mark on a couple of things. Bands have been around since cavemen sang and played instruments. Bands were around a long, long time before audio recording was even invented. So, yes, the commercialization of bands, with recordings, was a period of time. That's the business part. Note that you said that young people in particular are willing to accept one person productions, as opposed to bands. Young people, decendents of baby boomers, were spoiled. They were dotted on by their parents and grandparents. Everything is about them. Note the popularity of the selfie with younger generations. That speaks volumes. Technology did rev up the ability for people to self indulge, and focus on themselves. Young people text each other, instead of actually being around each other. They see each other on a screen. This means that young people didn't have to develop as many social skills, as before the invention of the internet and cell phones. The combination of affluence, being dotted on, having communication technology (internet and phone), along with instant gratification (want it now, no more lay-a-way and wait, you have it now with credit cards) made for a couple of generations whose whole orientation is about the "self." This was a cultural shift. Now, being in a band, isn't just about money. It's about an experience, and creating something as a group. Being in a band requires social skills. If everyone is focused on themselves, and getting what they themselves want, of course having a band isn't going to work very well. After all, with a group, it isn't "all about you." Add to this the efficiency and economy (as he pointed to in this video) of hiring only one person, and there is an incentive, business wise, to have only individual creators/workers for entertainment. What this video left out is the "me-ism" component in young people, and how that play out with less bands being created. Everyone, regardless of how medicore their talent, is going to be the star of the show: See.... I can play three chords on my guitar and sing... I'm a star... see I can make a beat with the press of a button and say some poetry. No advanced development of talent required because the "look at me" generation doesn't appreciate it anyway. They want something to shake their a$$es to, or something simple and repetative to either sing along with, or recite the rap poetry with. Don't bother to try to improve yourself on your instrument, or do other talent development because young people can't even recognize when you do that, lots of times (nor would they care, even if you did.) What I'm getting at is a giant cultural shift, it's facilitated by technology, but technology doesn't do something like spoil your kids, or teach them to focus on themselves, only.
So in short, Music is now about just one person performing the entire song.
Unfortunately continuing our isolation
@@ministryofguitar Yeah, unfortunately quite inevitable that something like this is gonna happen one by one ever since Windows 95 saw it's public release and while ground breaking is the start of making us being sedentary to the computer A LOT(especially because of something known as the internet) and when DAWs and later probably even AI(which could be used as a stock music, backing track(for hip hop), layer or even just background track to fill up any instruments you record) came a long, musicians especially are becoming further isolated.
Most likely, also a team of songwriters, too. In general, the companies, find a young singer, and market them. Very little creativity is involved anymore, if any. Pre-fabricated, cookie-cutter artists modeled after current, well-selling "artists".
Usually it's one celebrity just singing. And an army of hired real musicians.
“Performing”
i don't know if they'ed be considered a new band, formed in 2010, but a semi current band i like is king gizzard and the lizard wizard.
Yep, they're awesome
I like their thrash metal albums
I'm thankful to have experienced the analog, gear hauling, multi member band. The process of creating something, honing it, taking it out live and putting it down in the studio, doubling tracks the old fashioned way lol. Fortunate enough to still be playing music 2 to 6 times a week through worship - with a real amp!! Always enjoy your perspective on things.
You haven’t needed to have a band since the birth of multitrack recording. For example, Mike Oldfield recorded Tubular Bells in 1971, and Jean-Michel Jarre recorded Oxgene in 1976. So the solo artist performing all the parts and also doing the production is not necessarily a recent phenomenon.
You are correct. I do think it is much easier now, not requiring multi instrumental virtuosity. Also much more the norm. Btw I love Tubular Bells
theoretically. And some did that. But the technology to achieve sound quality was still very expensive and detailed and home recording was poor quality. Computers, once they became fast in about 2005, changed all of that, clean with clean and bright sounds, and much cheaper than tape,
True but a artist with widespread appeal in one style of music or some phenom new style or marketing. Musicians AGAIN are last.
Speaking of nightclubs, why do women wear evening gowns to nightclubs? Shouldn't they wear nightgowns?
And we should have evening clubs.
Complexity is like exercise for the mind. Inconvenience is what leads to innovation and progress; so the mind must be able to “critically think” to even innovate the technology that will in the future make things “easier.” Unfortunately the people who are blessed with the “advanced tech” that provides convenience will suffer from declining “critical thought.” And so we are where we are. From being taught how to think to being taught what to think.
This is the age of the sideman (as limiting as that is) but for me, it’s about making a living. It’s pretty much impossible to make a living as a set member of a band anymore. The work’s just not there. As a hired musician there’s much more work available. It’s pretty much always been that way. You have to make a decision as to what do want to get out of the music industry. I really couldn’t care less if someone knows who I am or how “famous” I become. But I do care greatly if I can pay my bills or not.
Bingo! My band is currently organizing our next gig and after counting our expenses you know who earns the most money at the end of the day? The sound guy we hired.
We have to load the car, unload, set up, play, pack up, load in, drive home etc. and of course rehearse on a regular basis.
Then you name your price and people are like "that's expensive". Of course it is, I have to pay for my gas and my guitar strings and maintain my gear.
Yet the soundtech shows up, mixes us, earns three times the amount of one band member and he's done for the night. And without him, we're screwed 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@GuitarIv69but it always was this way, very few people could earn a living playing in a band full-time compared to number of people who tried playing in a band at some point of their lives
Contemporary popular music is just an extension of global homogenization that requires cultural stagnation. Derivative is the norm and novelty saps the mass appeal needed to be marketable. Bands are outmoded in the goal of developing parasocial relationships with your favorite cultural products that are chosen for you by the algorithm. Tune in and switch your brain off to receive the message and consume the next amazing product.
Thought provoking take as usual right honourable guitar minister.
Ignorant nonsense, you people are preposterous
Some impressive language used there! True. Its like cars, all homogenized these days. And as I dont consume radio or mtv or whatever, I actually find the newer catchy songs from those that appear in advertising
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Whatever the machine wants to be popular will be popular
Technology also changed the other side of the equation: The audience and the way how interacts with music. 50, 40, 30 years ago, individuals had access to radio stations, and a limited number of physical cassetes and albums. Many people expended 30 minutes, 1 hour or more just listening to their own limited music collection in their rooms. Nowaways, there is not time left for that, people expend most of the time consuming UA-cam and TikTok videos (my self included). Spotify and UA-cam provide instantaneous access to literally millions of songs and videos from the last 50 years. This overload of music supply makes demand irrelevant and therefore music business stalled two decades ago.
Actually some of the oldest songs on Spotify are around 125 yrs old(late 1890's)
Yeah, music-related subcultures became way less important with digital age when music more and more became a background. Back in the day there was an opportunity cost of buying the album because you could buy only one with your 15 bucks or whatever. And you needed to go to a record store and a specific one if you wanted something non-mainstream. Now 15 bucks a month buys you all the music in the world so naturally you are less serious about it
I always hated being in bands, egos and attitudes always got in the way. Modern technology for solo production is a God send, I completely understand its appeal.
Nice edit going to B&W imaging with your ad. As an old school photographer (remember that tech, chemistry, not physics?) I spent too many hours in the dark smelling acetic acid.
Yes - you can make whole arrangement on the computer but it takes serious skill to make it sound good. It's much easier to record real musicians with accoustic instruments.
You don't understand something very important! The world today is all about niches. There won't be the next Michael Jackson or Madonna which will be famous worldwide. Today there are artists famous in a given niche. Many people like bands and will always do. The world is going tribal again and that's good. Playing instruments is cool and many people like to see bands playing. If you don't that's ok.
You will never kill the impact of a band of musicians
It's very true that bands are almost nonexistent on the charts compared to individual performers. But I still have hope. Back in 1963 the charts were filled with individual singers and a lot of fluff, Guitar Bands were considered "out", then in February 1964, it all changed thanks to the Beatles and bands ruled the charts for many years to follow. All it takes is that one band to break big and everyone will follow. It happened with Stadium rock, with Hair Bands, with Grunge, with Pop-Punk... It just takes one great band to open the flood gates.
Guitar driven bands are now as relevant as jazz bands. People like them and people will not stop doing it, but ultimately it is an aesthetic from another age.
People have been saying this since 1963.
Having multiple creative people in the same room is both an advantage and a disadvantage. They can produce something larger than sum of the parts or just constantly fight with each other
2:44 In general I find the simpler things to be elegant, and often on the long run more free of hassle, and the problems that might arise easier to fix. That's why I use simple devices to make coffee, such as moka pot, french press, etc.) and don't have a fully automated machine. For similar reasons I don't like it when things like home devices or musical instruments are overly "smart" or versatile, when there is often a few aspects that I use most of the time. And I love it when restaurants just have a handful of (very decent) menu options instead of hundreds of slightly differing variations of ingredients randomly put together 🥲 Although I got the feeling you had the exact opposite in mind when giving the example of making coffee and using words like easy and "complicated", so I guess in the end it's in part a matter of perspective :)
People have always looked to the past for inspiration. Romans were obsessed with Greeks. Brits, during the 60's, were looking back at blues from decades prior.
True. Technology and western popular culture was remarkable future looking worst WW2 till recently
1:07 Arguably, bands that exemplify the reactionary movement in rock music that champions "looking back to an earlier time" can be found starting from the late 1970s: The Jam were heavily inspired by The Who, The Ramones were basically the Beach Boys with distorted guitars, and the stylistic origins of punk could easily be found in the music of The Kinks
Once you strip away the image-based aspects of it and focus on the music itself, it is much easier to view punk as a conservative movement that sought to destroy the sprawling inventiveness associated with 1970s progressive rock; it was about "returning rock to its roots"
Some will also argue that protopunk bands like the VU, Stooges, MC5 and New York Dolls had a huge influence on punk; I believe that this influence may be exaggerated and not all of the material by these groups even sounds like punk
So what? I'd rather have places to play music with people out and about than just sit in my glitter cube designing drugs for rubes keyed for popularity and not anything worthwhile. Jam bands still do things. We rarely get paid, but so what? The industry is and always has been cursed.
Interesting but wrong. It’s not tech and tools that has created this perception of no bands or groups having popular hits anymore. Musicians are needed and part of every single ‘artist’ singer’s career. Many artists use the same musicians for years even starting their careers with a particular co writer accompanist. The difference is marketing and advice from labels managers etc. they don’t want their singer artist to disappear into a band line up. They always want solo artists. In the past this pressure would break up bands as the lead singer would be encouraged to go solo.
If this was the 70s or 80s Billie Eilish would be a band as her brother is a crucial part of the act. Like Dave Stewart and Annie Lennox were the Eurythmics - today Dave would be pushed into the background and the entire focus would be on Annie.
Bands or groups of musicians are still making the music, everyone just focuses on the singers who often don’t write their own lyrics, can’t play instruments and have an image that is created for the sake of marketing and reflects current trends.
A lot of musicians don’t care about not being the face of their own work, but when I see people making videos like this it does make me eye roll a bit. Few people understand how records are made, how songs are written and how whole careers are shaped.
And don’t get me started on that ‘expert’ Beato - helping to shape the misconceptions of the ignorant across the world - rarse.
Bands aren’t dead. Right now, your new favorite band just released new music. You have to discover them on your own. Instead of being spoonfed new music via the radio, you have to seek them out. Some of my favorite bands right now, I never new existed 3-4 years ago, because I was listening to the same old stuff thinking that “anything new sucks” and “there’s no good bands anymore”.
Just because you can do something doesn’t make it a good idea. While music can be made/consumed, etc., it’s often better and more meaningful when it’s a shared experience. It’s a language that connect us in a way that words cannot.
I get your point about looking back instead of forward (and the relationship between technology and the evolution of popular music) but it should be noted that Roxy Music had retro-futurism and post-modernism way back in 1972! 😮 (To be fair, they were still a mainly forward looking band, even though they took many of their cues from the past.)
I'm seeing a resurgence in live music at grassroots level. Pubs and clubs have been dying on their arses (here in the UK) for a while now and for a whole host of reasons, venues are looking at bringing people back out to buy their £7 pints, and live music is one option. I think the industry is still readjusting, still learning how to make money without record sales. It was only really in the 60s that organic bands gained any type of popularity, before that it was all singers. It's like the industry has pressed the reset button. Bands will rise again.
We have lost our way. Just because you can, pickup trucks became huge with more and more features to 70k, when a basic truck costing 25% could be just fine. A band is like playing dungeons and dragons live with friends its a group creation lost... We will go back to as gestalts idea is correct being the sum is greater than the parts. We forgot synergy and purpose. Part of why music became what it is right now
I thought you said “Look at the Cars.” And I thought, ‘ yeah, The Cars were definitely retro futuristic.’.
Jack Antonoff's band Bleachers (formed in 2014) is a band that has had critical and touring success on their own in the US, but more interesting they sit at the intersection of band-world and solo pop artist-world because on many songs they serve as a sort of "house band" (like the old "Wrecking Crew") for artists like Taylor Swift, Lana Del Rey, Florence and the Machine, Sabrina Carpenter, among others.
Other examples of "retro" automobiles are Chrysler's PT CRUISER & PROWLER.
Correct. Also the Ford Thunderbird and also frankly the entirely of BMWs Mini revival
Maybe not considered mainstream, but check out Amyl and the Sniffers from Australia. Rock/punk. Brilliant band, lots of energy, and doing it old school. 2 of my favorites are Guided by Angels, and Hertz. Check them out :)
I refuse to believe that the days of having a band are gone. I think it comes down to a matter of choice, both in terms of how you choose to make your music as well as with what music you choose to consume.
While it's true that pretty much everything I've recorded so far has been self-made, my preference is to have the music I make be made with a band. But not having that band available at this time is not going to stop me from making the music I want to make (i.e., music by a rock band) the way I way I hear it in my head.
Likewise, the stuff I enjoy listening to the most is not influenced by what's popular at the moment, but by what informs my own favored preferences (again, music made by a rock band - although, to be frank, I'm also really heavy into orchestral/symphonic styles as well). I guess I just enjoy my music when it's made by an ensemble. That's not to say I don't love music made by soloists, because I definitely do (and I occasionally write songs intended to be played and sung by just me and my guitar).
Anyway, yeah. I'll never believe that the time for music by bands is forever consigned to history. Not when I still find bands playing and I'm still enjoying them (and I'm still making that kind of music and still craving to play that stuff live with a full rock band).
I believe the consumer chooses the path of music. People are just as happy with a beat maker and an EDM DJ as they are with a band.
måneskin are awesome. fyi, it's pronounced moh-neskin. it means moonlight in danish.
good commentary though. i was a musician in the 1990s and getting people together to play was challenging, nevermind recording something. now, i record in my room and have access to resources i could never have imagined when i was a young guitar player.
i've also been lucky to find a group of people who like to get together and play music regularly. we perform at a bar and in a public park almost weekly. the only problem is that i am one of the 'younger' jam band members.
In the old days you played the pubs and clubs and the record company A&R men would see and hear you. All they mostly do now is scout at the stage schools for a star and get a load of session players in behind the 'star' - this means the band doesn't grow and the 'star' usually wanes.
I read somewhere that in 1974 Tom Shultz made the entire Boston debut album in his basement!😀
Yup. I read that too
And he achieved the incredible feat of making it sound like he made it in his bathroom.
🤘 The Warning 🤘
Also Starcrawler, Lilac and No Apology.
Not all bands are dead. Not even close. Band-Maid.
*Falling in Reverse
Bands are irrelevant until you go watching live music and realise how bad live music sounds when its a singer, singing to a backing track.
I think that Jason Isabel and the 400 unit are popular in the US. Not likely that is would be on your radar. In fact there are many Country bands. Bands with instruments and multiple people. There is a great deal of momentum there. This is why you see pop acts such as Rihanna riding the wave.
If you talk pop music and charts you are probably right. Who needs a band to follow a template. Blues rock and rock is under the radar and is so much better for it in my opinion. Forget the charts. Go to a club and see live music. Go to a blues club and see Larkin Poe, Ally Venable, Samantha Fish, Marcus King and on and on. Go see The Warning, Lilliac, Band Maid rock out.
This argument ruffles my feathers as much as the rock is dead comments. Sure, it’s all dead if you listen to mainstream media and pop music. If that’s your thing then fine. For me I am going to continue to support live bands like Dirty Honey, The Answer, Rival Sons, Dea Matrona etc.
Good, creative bands will take advantage of technology and be replaced by it.
If you ask me, bands don't need to exist because at the end of the day the only elements that aren't interchangeble are the songwriter and the vocalist. Everyone else can be replaced.
Wrong
Hindley Street Country Club band.....arguably the "world's BEST cover band" hailing from Australia.....REALLY love their music and vast cover library on their website. Check it.
Love them too
Question? The white LP-ish thing over your left shoulder.... Is it a Gretsch Jet?
*Sleep Token
Meanwhile, Slayer makes a comeback with live shows after 5 years.
And now along comes AI to replace us musicians too.
Las bandas existen, pero viven una crisis de creatividad. Por ejemplo el reggaeton existe un cantante y un productor que crea la musica, asi que tambien es una banda pero en un nuevo formato..
My favorite new music to liaten to today is, the Dead South, Southern River Band, Die Spits and Starcrawler. All bands.
I get that nearly all top 40 streams and the most popular are not bands. . That doesnt mean there isnt a real place for bands still. Maybe just more underground, but F it. . . Thats how rock n roll started anyway.
I agree. It’s going to be more niche and underground
@@ministryofguitar An act that sells more tickets than albums or singles doesn't have to be "underground." There are several multi millionaire acts that never charted on the pop charts while there are broke acts that have charted.
There’s still plenty of great bands that Rick beato and this guy will never hear about. Because they are heavily gatekept by fans that don’t want them going mainstream. Cause once it’s popular society will ruin it.
Quite a negative piece overall. There are still bands out there. Yes, you have to look harder to find them, and no they're not popular in the charts, but that doesn't detract from their quality, just their popularity. The Struts, Massive Wagons, The Dust Coda, Station, Cats In Space, The New Roses, Care Of Night... look and you will find them. Just don't try looking in the charts.
bands are not extinct - they don't dominate the charts as they once did, but there is still a big presence...like tube amps being surpassed by modeling technology - they too are far from being extinct
Some bands tend to sell more tickets than albums now, especially the legacy bands.
Dammit Utkarsh I hate it when you make sense.
I’ve been in several bands but just seems difficult now, only thing getting momentum is solonproject geared towards streaming
Just my 2 cents but no one should be getting into music to be rich and famous per se; they should be making art and being creative for the fun/joy/satisfaction of it (and most things are more fun with friends) and if it turns out they're doing something that turns out to be popular and profitable, great, try it for a few years but accept that you might be back in the 9-5 world in a few years (but with some great stories and life experience). Lead singer from one of my favourite bands, who put out 3 successful albums currently sells kitchens for a living. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
@@Boghopper9999 Yeah, I do feel for bands to last overtime there needs to be some economic return on it. May not pay your all bills but putting an extra couple hundred bucks a month in your pocket definitely helps for longevity
I'm not doom and gloom about this at all. AI is going to be of great use for the home producer. Problem with being one person is, if I want a choir part in the song, how do i do it? I dont have one at my disposal. If I want a rapper, how do I do it? AI is going to fix this lack of available talent, and the best songs ever written, are yet to come.
@@Vroomfondle1066 that’s a bit like the flying car concept that never quite arrives. But if it did, most songs are so bland it’s as if a computer did write it anyway. And it still doesn’t stop you writing a song.
Great video until the BetterHelp ad. Had to jump when saw that. Sorry bro, but they hurt vulnerable people
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Very disappointed to see you using this sponsor- I thought you would know better.
Oh why do you say so?
They're a terrible company that rips off vulnerable people.
I noticed
I get the point of this but it is narrow in thought and lacking in full research. Similar to Rick Beato, you are only concentrating on charts. Microcelebrity defines the day. There has always been DIY artists like Les Paul, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Trent Reznor and more. There has always been revivalists like the 50’s rock trend in the 70’s. There are great bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard and Ghost to name my favourites. There has always been bands that should have been more popular like the Kinks 70s/80s stuff. It’s better now because I can see great bands in clubs instead of stadiums. Also, there’s more girl rock bands so finally teenage boys can gawk at rock musician and have their poster on their wall. Major label rock got boring in the 2000s because of record executives with a money focus and they all sounded the same. Now it’s time for pure creativity. Being in a rock band as a teenager is like being on a sports team and is amazing for their development. BTW you’re thinking of Buddhist sand mandalas. Thanks for the vid. Listen to Ghost Impera and tell me rock is not relevant.
In 2002 was the last time I bought an actual physical cd 💿.. at TOWER RECORDS... It was George Harrison Brainwashed cd..
This guy is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of touch. There will AWLAYS be bands. They are fun to be in and collectively, BETTER MUSIC IS GENERATED BY IT.
The worst thing about the music business is dealing with musicians.
Well, that depends on the particular musician you happen to be dealing with....like any other part of humanity.
Format
WTF is that at 7:51-7:55? Ghost?
Pop music is hot garbage. Many, many good new bands still, just turn off the crappy radio and look for music instead of being spoon fed crap.
well-- duh. I can do it all myself so why put up with other peoples bullshit?
I've never heard of Maneskin.