You can just hear it in his voice, how long Greymane has waited to get some satisfaction out of his son's death and the plaguing of his homeland. The future looks bleak for the Forsaken at this stage.
At least the ones who fought her family were killed or actually attacked for it. She attacked Gilnaes twice then played the victim card to get out of it. Unlike her betrayal of garithos, where she murdered him and his men to take Lordearon, this time her victims retaliated and cost her dearly. Genn did what no one else would or could, he punished her for her sins in the only way she knows, by taking something away from her. This is something blizzard needs to do, because Warcraft lore is full of smart people making dumb decisions because "Lore reasons". The fact they killed Varian and Vol'jin, and actually had someone FINALLY retaliate against Sylvanas shows they are moving away from their old ways. Also at least it gave Gilnaes some freaking screen time
I think that was the head Val'kyr, forgot her name... But pretty much she is in control of all Val'kyr that exists... Sylvanas would have her on army of Val'kyr that way if she controlled her.
"I'm on your side Sylvanas but I swear I am not helping you do this... Greymane, how are ya doing buddy, need help?" Was my reaction on my Tauren Druid.
I have to assume they are aiming for some hackneyed redemption of Sylvanas. Probably she will exhaust her supply of val'kyr and be forced to pick between risking her last life and letting something terrible happen to the Forsaken/Horde. Some sort of diabolic temptation from the Burning Legion is likely (after all she could live forever as a powerful demon lieutenant) but she will reject it in favour of sacrificing herself for her people, probably dying in the process. It is all very poetic (or cheesy depending on how jaded you are) and it seems like the only thing which would not piss the Horde fans off into the stratosphere. That said Blizz has pulled some horrible story directions in the recent past so I wouldn't be surprised that they are disastrously repeating the Garrosh fiasco.
Garrosh was blind with rage and hatred for the opposing faction. Genn and Jaina are both choosing to ignore the Legion threat because of their hatred of the Horde. They are the new "Garrosh"
I'm really surprised that there are actually people still defending this undead bitch. After everything she's done and fanboys are still like "she's doing whats best for her people!". If that is your only excuse, please stop. She murdered Genn's son, killed his people and plagued his homeland. She tried enslaving an entire race just so they can make sure she stays immortal. Doing whats best for her people does not at all justify her actions. In Cata she even admits that there's no difference between her and the Lich King. I actually used to like Sylvanas but Blizz has turned her into a god-awful character. Still have no clue how Vol'jin made this genocide-obsessed psychotic bitch into Warchief. But then again, after Thrall made Garrosh Warchief.... I'm not so surprised.
+Sam Osbourne he destroyed her future. She has even less chances of immortality now, and she's pissed off so many people that without it she knows her death is near.
As much as I love the Horde and the people of Lordaeron, this was satisfying to watch. Gilneas is the most sympathetic of the Alliance kingdoms. This was due in full, though I'm not sure I'm happy to know the Forsaken will continue to die out without more val'kyr watching over them.
I think that Genn was well aware what would it mean if he killed Sylvanas. Horde would be shattered with no suitable leader ( maybe Saurfang or Lor'themar, but hell no Green Jesus), it basically means that Horde would be useless against the Legion and that is something Azeroth cannot afford. He wanted vengeance and he did it honorably.
The true horde does not seek power to the detriment of others- aside from enemies such as the Burning Legion. Sylvanas is no warchief of mine- I still believe Vol'jin will return. Until then, I'm rooting for Genn.
1. Troll culture is against cremation, so it's possible that it wasn't Vol'jin's body on the pyre. 2. Vol'jin has helped the loa of death several times and through him prevented a friend from certain death. 3. Vol'jin has faked his death before.
Thrall's new/old/true horde would focus on the real threat and join forces with the Alliance to defeat the Legion - because he knows it only works this way (WC3). But WoW lore, of course, does not allow that. Because the players hate seeing neutral story (mostly those who never played WC3 and never read LotC). Otherwise, we would see Baine talking/negotiating with Anduin now.
You know Greymane could have killed her. But he didn't. He ruined Sylvanas chances of getting more Val'kyr instead. "You took my son's future. Now I take yours." Damn Greymane... xD
yes thats exactly what happened in your dream ....:)... did u wake up later? cause...sylvanas has been around MANY real life years in warraft + wow while this not important character greyman is his name? well who cares he will die pretty much soon i think anyway haha
Daniel Guldberg Sorry, was it Genn who got knocked halfway across the room? I don't think so. Genn in worgen form can tear the empty husk that is Sylvanas to shreds in seconds if allowed. That is why Sylvanas keeps her distance. To fight Genn one on one in melee combat would be suicide.
Rico O' Rourke Meryl isnt forsaken, He was mortally wounded during the troll wars and used his magic to keep himself alive, blizzard too lazy to give him a unique model.
After completing the questline, I actually feel sad for Sylvanas. Varian's death is unfortunate, but the fault is on the wrong intel and lack of communication(btw I still don't understand why Varian said "Victory is ours!" when Gul'dan just summoned tons of notable demons). The invasion of Gilneas was actually Garrosh's idea. Sylvanas was just doing her job. The death of Liam Greymane was a result of the war, but at least Sylvanas didn't raise him as an undead or keep the body to mock Genn. While Genn said "You took my son's future. And now, I've taken yours", he actually took the Forsakens' future as a whole. But I won't blame him as he almost lost everything in the war of Gilneas.
Honestly, sylvanas is evil and all, but genn is just kinda a bitch, he ignores orders not to engage and nearly fails his mission of escorting us to stormheim, he cries about varians death, when for all he knows that was voljinns fault (I find it odd that neither faction have tried to contact the other about what happened) and his son dying, really you shouldn't have had him on the front lines if you couldn't accept the fact he might die. People aren't immortal, you can't be reckless then blame someone else when things go wrong. Greymane is seriously emotionally unstable and unable to rationally think a situation through, even Jaina realized that she can't just go around killing people. (she still hates them of course) Ultimately he might have made the right choice, because who knows what sylvanas would do with immortality, but that doesn't excuse disobeying orders.
"was just doing her job." is not an argument x) Sorry pal, i kill your son, but yunno, just bizness. Same with "was a result of the war" . You cannot blame him, he is a (almost)-human and see fcking undead kill his son, undead man.. Like the same thing you kill in The Walking Dead. Freaks. Just kill those plague's son and don't give them immortality.
MrMlleAnima if genn is so mad about losing his kingdom and his son, he should target at the whole horde, not the forsaken alone. not to mention most of the forsaken are once human, including citizens of gilneas.
Jonah Marx The "factions not talking to each other" is one of the biggest WoW lore problems and it will never get better. If Blizzard could write realistically, they cannot, Baine and Anduin would have talked to each other immediately after the Broken Shore event. Or at least Baine would have sent a letter. Blizzard's writing is cheap in many aspects. I hope the lore fans will one day wake up and see the countless flaws and unnecessary cuts.
Not completely true. I'm not sure about the opinions Horde-side, but in regards to the Alliance only Jaina (who is totes a Dreadlord) and Greymane are upset at the Horde. Anduin - whose father died due in part to the Horde's retreat - isn't even mad at them. One of his first acts of business is to try and get the Horde back into Dalaran - which he does. True, as of yet he's not set up an official meeting with them, but taking on the role of King, leader of the Alliance, etc is a lot of work. At least he's not urging war with them. I agree that a meeting between the two factions would be one of the best things to do, but Anduin can't be blamed for Greymane's actions and Jaina's ragequits. Blizzard's story overall however, does indeed have many flaws - no argument there.
I'm horde and a huge Sylvannas fan, but Greymane definitely deserved revenge for the loss of his city and son, I don't completely agree that Varian's death was her fault since the horde were getting destroyed on the upper platform. I thought that Val'Kyr was about to smash Sylvannas!
It's even worse if you play a Worgen. Liam was a good kid, and Sylvanas kills him in front of Genn, and LAUGHS about it. She probably doesn't even remember *why* Genn is pissed.
dont love her but id wonna see a movie she's in. I hope they make the rise of the lich king movie (basically wc3 lore) and then the fall of the litch king (wotk lore).
I went through this on my Horde character and while we earned passage to the Vault by completing the trials, Sylvanas basically cheated her way in. I may not like Genn, but right here I rooted for him and as for Sylvanas, well she had it coming.
***** Though it would definitely split Alliance and Horde even more, and not to mention risk splitting the Horde. : / She is already out on thin ice with all her ress everyone things. : o
More or less this is one solution to her... afterlife problem that is down the drain. Perhaps we get more closure in that stormheim raid I heard about "what I read it is between emerald nightmare and nighthold... short raid"
She is. The lantern is a soul cage with the power to compel any being. Given to her by Helya. Helya is a twisted and evil val'kyr, who she made a deal with. Now, Sylvanas owes an unknown debt to a very evil deity that runs the underworld of vrykul.
@Lonely Jew Gaming ...Dude do u even read? ... It says Stormheim cinematic... if u want more details about the location go play the game and find out :P
I'll assume people here know the plotline before watching this video... Sylvannas indeed wanted immortality, but it was also partly for the future of the Forsaken, which, during Cataclysm story, she brought back Val'kyr to raise dead so the race would not dwindle (race is a bold word here, of course). Greymane's act of vengeance, while understandable, also doomed the Forsaken from their future. Not that staying alive after death is natural at all, but I'm sure a lot of Forsaken were hoping their queen would bring them salvation. This conflict will fuel further war between Forsaken and Gileas. And I gotta say, Genn Greymane came a long way since the second war era. He was brash, rude, and arrogant, what happened to his nation had obviously changed him quite a bit. In comic, we saw him contemplate a lot more about his actions and the wellbeing of others, perhaps him getting old has something to do with it also. Though, during the Broken Isle invasion, Greymane transformed back to human fully clothed, here he was half naked, interesting.
That make me laughing ... When sylvanas saying : It's seen i overrestimated you old wolf ... and after the cinematic in the Horde side ... Sylvanas : Well hum ... i ... underestimated him after all ... *kof kof* XD
Oh, hey! Sylv!? WTF, SIS!? Didnt ya listen to ol' Vol'jin? Stop medling with dark twisted stuff. You must step OUT of da shadows, not force your becoming of a Lich Queen, you bloody dead elf! LEAD the horde and stop corrupting yourself further. I'm tired of defending my Queen when she is just a vengeful spirit... I want to know what has motivated her to subjugate that Valkyr. Is she trying to control ALL of the Valkyrs to become the Valkyr Queen too?
In short: Sylvanas doesn't want to die. Here's the long answer: Just after Arthas, the Lich King was killed, Sylvanas found herself having no purpose since her only reason for living was to see him dead, so she threw herself off of Icecrown Citadel and basically killed herself. After death, she entered a place simply called "Hell" where all undead go after they've 'died'. I think you can guess what it's like just based on the name. She was then miraculously resurrected by one of her Val'kyr and vowed to never die again, and survive for as long as she can. The Val'kyr are basically the salvation of both herself and the Forsaken people, since they cannot procreate, they need the Val'kyr to resurrect dead soldiers to join the Forsaken, and Sylvanas needs them to resurrect herself. It is also the major reason why Sylvanas keeps pressing into Lordaeron lands for the Forsaken. She NEEDS dead bodies to keep her people alive, so she needs to be in war pretty much all of the time. If Sylvanas cannot let go of her will to survive, she will eventually devour all of Azeroth for the Forsaken, or, more likely, the forces of Azeroth will rise up to stop her. Either way it ends badly for her.
Sylvanas was trying to enslave Eyir, leader of the valkyr using the lantern she got from Helya. Greymane smashed it, meaning she now has a limited number of valkyr left and it is possible to kill her in the near future.
Why Odyn never retaliated against her is beyond me. Genn could have easily killed her if he wanted to but chose not to. He finally showed that he is not just out for revenge and maybe Anduin and Varian have finally gotten to him. Genn's story is the opposite of Jaina. He sought for war and revenge for so long and is not changing towards peace where Jaina sought for peace all her life and is not deciding that it is useless.
I heared that worgen curse gives the cursed - immortality among other benefits, it's is more like an very good argumentated specualtion but anyway if it is true, well that's kinda ironic.
To all the alliance plebes the horde gets a quest after this to talk to slyvannis and she states shes not concerned that she didnt get Elydir right now because she will get her later
Can someone explain what's going on here? I haven't played Legion yet, probably won't anytime soon. I know everything up to the Broken Shore where Varian died.
Oh yeah, about the Lantern. The Lantern is an artifact Sylvanas got from the Queen of Helheim that can contain the power of Vrykul. She was trying to get more power for herself, and Gen just wants to kill all the Forsaken at any cost so he attacks her.
0:49 - the distance between Greymane and Sylvanas is about 4-5 meters. Her bow is on a floor. She is standing up, Greymane is staying immobile (but could move). 0:55 - the distance between Greymane and Sylvanas is 10+ meters, Sylvanas has bow in hands and is laying arrow, Greymane still stands immobile. Blizz, i know your games are 6+ (ever since you "destroyed" Blizzard North and turned into Blizzard Activision. Diablo 1 was much more "mature"), but why are you making "cool cynematics" look that silly?
I mean its hard to tell the perspective from the floor behind greymanes legs, also sylvanas's bow landed like 2 inches away from her, its perfectly rational to assume she picked it up
Whoever wants to say Sylvanas is the bad guy: Odyn killed Helya and turned her into the first Val'kyr, their Queen. Her mind was under his control until she regained her will. Eyedir is to Helya as Nova is to Kerrigan, if you get my analogy
The one thing I found underwhelming is that she didn't shoot him in the head right there that he was already weakened. She nearly killed Arthas by successfully paralysing him and attempting to make it lead with a slow painful death if it wasn't for Kel'Thuzad's interference. It's like Blizz forgot WC3 existed, WC3 Sylvanas would have never let Greymane just walk away.
Anduin is becoming a badass. Did you read the pre-legion comic shorts? One is about Magni and Moira, other is about Anduin, and the last one i cant remember. But yeah, Anduin is starting to finally be the man
+Michael Studený I did read the comic son of the wolf I think it was called, the thing is that I dont like him being a priest if he became a paladin and used his father's sword I would love him, but a priest as leader? we already have Velen and Tyrande.
knowing the horde bitched out because of some "demons" when varian was actually fighting the big bad guy already made me feel uncomfortable with the horde. Just saying…specially them having jesus thrall and others, srsly wtf horde
+Hakudan2 Yeah I got to admit that the horde had to retreat to save themselves but were was the loktar ogar they preach so much about? where was the victory or death? Truth be told the hordes were pussies that day.
Ok, so i blazed through the questlines asap w/o reading a single detail, got to 110 9 hours after release( just cus of food and potty breaks) and didn't really know what happened after this scene but I was under the impression she fired a tranquilizing shot at him because she didnt want to fight him?(because it brought him out of wolf form) As far as who did better, im sure syl wasnt even trying because after he broke her lantern she just let him saunter off. If he really foiled her plans at immortality there don't you think she would've wrecked his face off? idk i guess it didn't really make sense to me.
Sorry i don't understand what happened there,becouse i can't speak english. What happened with Sylvanas,you know Greymane freed that Valk'yr,is that bad? Or what Sylvanas wanted from that valkyr?
Sylvanas is someone one who does care about her people and will do anything to protect them. Now when I say HER people I mean the Undead. She does care about the other member species of the Horde, but honestly she’d wouldnt shed a tear if they all died. Mainly because she could resurrect them as new Undead.... and get her Lor’themar Husbando.
Commenting on this in 2021 to point out how Sylvanas doesn't care about anyone but herself, and threw the Forsaken aside as soon as they stopped being useful to her.
The Forsaken think we're weak. A broken people. They think we'll roll over like a scared dog. How wrong they are. We will fight them in the fields until the last trench collapses and the last cannon is silenced. We will fight them on the streets until the last shot is fired. And when there's no more ammunition, we'll crush their skulls with the stones that pave our city. We will fight them in the alleys, until our knuckles are skinned and bloody and our rapiers lay on the ground shattered. And if we find ourselves surrounded and disarmed... wounded and without hope... we will lift our heads in defiance and spit in their faces. But we will... NEVER SURRENDER!!!!! FOR GILNEAS!!!
If i remember correct, it's even stated in WoW Chronicles Volume 1. that once undead you never go back, and undead envy the living. Then again it can be retconed and/or exceptions. Like why not throw some undead in to somekind of holy light and nature energy nexus and see what happens. +Reywolf2405 That's a bit different.
That's not a holy dreadlord, that's what dreadlords looked like before they were turned demonic, all of the demon races were normal before being turned fel, just like the draenei aren't holy eredar, eredar are corrupted draenei.
Sylvanas is now easily my number 2 most hated character among Azeroth characters (none come b4 Gul'dan). Used to feel for her after what Arthas did in WC3 but not anymore. It started at the Wrath Gate and culminated in the Broken Shore cinematic. She is such a shady bitch (no pun intended). She's also a huge hack who just cant cut it. Cant wait to see her head on a pike. For the Alliance!
Culminated in the Broken Shore cinematic? I take it you have only seen the Alliance point of you on that? If you watch if from the Horde side, she had no choice but to retreat or the entire force would have been decimated. Of course the Alliance assumed she was abandoning them. As for the Wrath Gate, again that wasn't the actions of Sylvanas, but a rogue Forsaken. Your putting a lot of false blame onto her.
I saw both. She cut and ran coz the Horde couldnt hold their part of the deal. The portal wuldve been closed by Varian if they did. As for the excuse that was given by many that Voljin (one shot by a trash mob btw) ordered her, thats a bit of a weak argument. She's hell bent on being immortal, hence serving herself because she got scared about the hell she will end up in. As for the Wrathgate incident, sure she didnt do it, but it was done under her watch. She's a hack who couldnt stop Arthas as an elf and she cant even control the forsaken. What makes ppl on the horde side think she can be a good warchief beats me.
The sad thing is that most likely she'll be a boss in some raid. And I always wanted to play as an evil faction, imagine my happiness when DK were announced and then my surprise when they became good guys. Meh. I hope that someday Forsaken will become a force to be reckoned with and will finally destroy something with their plague. Maybe third faction?
i know right? this sylvanas looks nothing like the sylvanas we saw when vol'jin died… I hope she freaking forgets her personal agenda now, because it really doesn't make her look any good. She is the only horde character i've liked so far so i hope they dont ruin her
Hakudan2 Its like 2 completely persons, I first thought that she might become something better, but then this. : / While I've not been the biggest fan of Sylvanas is it sad to see her getting this 'evil'
This is going to be a long comment. If you hate TL;DR then don't even bother. So if we look back at the Legion Invasion cinematics we can see that the Alliance think that the Horde betrayed them when Sylvanas called for the retreat when really the Horde was getting surrounded and Vol'jin was stabbed and dying. Likewise, in the Alliance fight, their king didn't want to give up so he sacrificed leaving on the gunship to try and take on Gul'dan and the demons and ultimately failed, dying for the Alliance in a heroic and valiant way. So now Greymane has this huge grudge against Sylvanas because he thinks that the horde just ditched him and that it is our fault that the king died. And it's really unfortunate that both of our leaders died, but I wish Greymane knew that we weren't leaving to screw them over, we were all screwed. We all had to leave and Varian could have escaped with them. I don't think the Alliance would have thought him a coward or anything. It's just heartbreaking... all of it. I was so sad. Cut to this now, Sylvanas has some shady stuff going on, not going to lie. When I watched this cutscene all I could think was, Sylvanas what are you doing? All I can imagine is that our new Warchief Sylvanas is going to turn evil or corrupted. I don't think Voljin made a good decision. I love Sylvanas. She's badass and cool looking but I don't think she's Warchief material. Now you have Genn getting his revenge on her which if he knew the truth about what happened on the invasions, I don't think he'd feel the same way... but since he is unaware of our reasoning for retreating, he gets revenge on Sylvanas. I feel bad for her slightly cuz she just became Warchief without even wanting to be and she's probably not even sure what the hell she's supposed to do because she's just used to fighting and zipping around with her little arrows and what not. I think Sylvanas is going to get her ass kicked around a lot this expansion. I just wonder if all of this could have been avoided if Greymane knew why the Horde retreated.
I love Sylvanas, and I think she was trying to become immortal for the horde. She talks about the undead in Stormheim, and how with time they waste away from decomposition. She didnt want that to happen to her, and we tried to help. Im not sure if she is corrupted or not, but I think she has good intentions but may be going at things in the wrong way. Still love her though Cx For the Horde.
Well shit, Not like we had a limited amount of Val'kyrs already, well who knows if these a" pure " Val'kyrs would've a powers to restore the forsaken back to their former self,and put an end to the curse of undead(which of course would not happen a long as the wow goes on) I kinda expected Sylv and Glenn would have 1 v 1 to death and get over with the whole gilneas "incident". Not saying they should but... Of course if that would have happen, thrall would have a probably stole the kill as well, I remember I as a player looked up to him but every since cats, it has felt like everyone needs some a memory medication.
Being undead isn't a curse, you were just raised from the dead through necromancy or some form of magic. Even if they could remove the "curse" they were corpses risen from graves or the battlefield, so really its more then removing a curse, they have to also be made to be whole and complete. Also I don't think people want to really die again
Well it's a curse in that they are damned souls. They don't eat, drink, or sleep despite that being ingrained in them. Most of their positive emotions have been muted while their negative emotions are intact and the Light rejects them to the point it burns them.
+EvilCleric... Yes, they are changed...but they do feel still and have always faced adversity even within the Horde. I don't play undead but I do like their tragic storyline.
Genn laid the smackdown on a fully-geared Sylvanas wearing only a pair of pants.
I bet that's his artifact lmao
Well, he is alive
TELL THAT TO DA HULK,NIGGA.
+Vanoirbeek Tim How did I not see this joke coming!
I'M DEAD
The most honorable revenge I've ever seen.
"The Val'kyr are mine"
Bitch, Odyn is gonna want a word with you.
You can just hear it in his voice, how long Greymane has waited to get some satisfaction out of his son's death and the plaguing of his homeland.
The future looks bleak for the Forsaken at this stage.
Sylvanas's land was attacked by the Scourge and she doesn't know know where her sister is and her brother also died.... They have both suffered losses
At least the ones who fought her family were killed or actually attacked for it. She attacked Gilnaes twice then played the victim card to get out of it. Unlike her betrayal of garithos, where she murdered him and his men to take Lordearon, this time her victims retaliated and cost her dearly. Genn did what no one else would or could, he punished her for her sins in the only way she knows, by taking something away from her. This is something blizzard needs to do, because Warcraft lore is full of smart people making dumb decisions because "Lore reasons". The fact they killed Varian and Vol'jin, and actually had someone FINALLY retaliate against Sylvanas shows they are moving away from their old ways. Also at least it gave Gilnaes some freaking screen time
what was her plan with that valkyre?
I think that was the head Val'kyr, forgot her name... But pretty much she is in control of all Val'kyr that exists... Sylvanas would have her on army of Val'kyr that way if she controlled her.
She isn't in control of all Val'kyr. Let me remind she isn't even the only one can make them, the Lich King can make val'kyr as well
did anyone else beside me find is VERY satisfying that Slyvannis got bested by Gen
"I'm on your side Sylvanas but I swear I am not helping you do this... Greymane, how are ya doing buddy, need help?"
Was my reaction on my Tauren Druid.
Gilneas will rise again!
Justice!
*injustice
Justice!
hahaha Im so glad Grey took her future :D He won the thing.. but again,that black arrow....hope he will be fine
he was
I hope the fucker dies, he's willing to let the whole world burn by picking fights over his petty quest for revenge
he is NOT fine. Horde players kill him in their questline.
HAHAHAHH
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.. ye ye ...sure.
Katy Bee He survives.
Genn is a boss
I like how at the beginning his voice sounds like the Lich King.
I thought that was Sargeras at first, lol.
his pants are his artifact, and its ability is to be able to talk like a bad guy…lol
Hakudan2 BL arriwes (3rd time!), leaders of alliance nad horde forget that they can wear armour, or at least a shirt, Vol'jin, Greymane anyone...
Same lol
The way he says that at the end ... Justice and pure epicness. Also, the wolf growl before he smashes the lantern is a great touch.
"You took my son's future... And now, I've taken yours."
Sylvanas A.K.A. "The next Garrosh"
its how bizzard villains tend to go these days
all their decent writers left to help out / get hired for path of exile, i.e. the REAL diablo III
oLx12o Not until Metzen ruins her entirely.
I have to assume they are aiming for some hackneyed redemption of Sylvanas. Probably she will exhaust her supply of val'kyr and be forced to pick between risking her last life and letting something terrible happen to the Forsaken/Horde. Some sort of diabolic temptation from the Burning Legion is likely (after all she could live forever as a powerful demon lieutenant) but she will reject it in favour of sacrificing herself for her people, probably dying in the process. It is all very poetic (or cheesy depending on how jaded you are) and it seems like the only thing which would not piss the Horde fans off into the stratosphere.
That said Blizz has pulled some horrible story directions in the recent past so I wouldn't be surprised that they are disastrously repeating the Garrosh fiasco.
Garrosh was blind with rage and hatred for the opposing faction. Genn and Jaina are both choosing to ignore the Legion threat because of their hatred of the Horde. They are the new "Garrosh"
That look on Sylvanas' face at 1:21 when she realizes she was just played.
I knew we couldn't trust her!
Now, I may be a Horde loyalist. But I have to give it to teh Alliance. Genn is fucking badass.
Por Gilneas!!
+InoshiKenshi It's in Spanish
+Francisco R Correct
+Espectro I am Spanish
FINALLY some Justice.
I'm really surprised that there are actually people still defending this undead bitch. After everything she's done and fanboys are still like "she's doing whats best for her people!". If that is your only excuse, please stop. She murdered Genn's son, killed his people and plagued his homeland. She tried enslaving an entire race just so they can make sure she stays immortal. Doing whats best for her people does not at all justify her actions. In Cata she even admits that there's no difference between her and the Lich King. I actually used to like Sylvanas but Blizz has turned her into a god-awful character. Still have no clue how Vol'jin made this genocide-obsessed psychotic bitch into Warchief. But then again, after Thrall made Garrosh Warchief.... I'm not so surprised.
I like how he didn't kill her... Instead he took her chance to get the Valkyr.
Greymane is now one of my favorite characters
HAH! get rekt girl
get rekt how? she survived, still has Helya's bargain, and managed to fire off on Gaymane :P
+Sam Osbourne he destroyed her future. She has even less chances of immortality now, and she's pissed off so many people that without it she knows her death is near.
+Sam Osbourne helyas bargain was to get out of there just that once.... She dosnt havnt it anymore
Read the quest logs
Acctually Greymane get rekt he lose the fight vs Sylvanas.
+Windbow Celexi but gen is still immortal. Sylvanas isn't
That's the difference
As much as I love the Horde and the people of Lordaeron, this was satisfying to watch. Gilneas is the most sympathetic of the Alliance kingdoms. This was due in full, though I'm not sure I'm happy to know the Forsaken will continue to die out without more val'kyr watching over them.
I think that Genn was well aware what would it mean if he killed Sylvanas. Horde would be shattered with no suitable leader ( maybe Saurfang or Lor'themar, but hell no Green Jesus), it basically means that Horde would be useless against the Legion and that is something Azeroth cannot afford. He wanted vengeance and he did it honorably.
The true horde does not seek power to the detriment of others- aside from enemies such as the Burning Legion. Sylvanas is no warchief of mine- I still believe Vol'jin will return. Until then, I'm rooting for Genn.
1. Troll culture is against cremation, so it's possible that it wasn't Vol'jin's body on the pyre.
2. Vol'jin has helped the loa of death several times and through him prevented a friend from certain death.
3. Vol'jin has faked his death before.
Thrall's new/old/true horde would focus on the real threat and join forces with the Alliance to defeat the Legion - because he knows it only works this way (WC3). But WoW lore, of course, does not allow that. Because the players hate seeing neutral story (mostly those who never played WC3 and never read LotC).
Otherwise, we would see Baine talking/negotiating with Anduin now.
Any of my fellow worgens happy to see our king getting some recognition?
AAWWWOOOOOOOOOOO! Long live the King of Gilneas and the Worgens!
Genn be my ......KING !
GILNEAS WILL RISE AGAIN!FOR ALLIANCE
You know Greymane could have killed her. But he didn't. He ruined Sylvanas chances of getting more Val'kyr instead. "You took my son's future. Now I take yours." Damn Greymane... xD
He couldn't even kill her., he tried as u saw, but he faild
+Daniel Guldberg He wasn't geared. lol
yes thats exactly what happened in your dream ....:)... did u wake up later? cause...sylvanas has been around MANY real life years in warraft + wow while this not important character greyman is his name? well who cares he will die pretty much soon i think anyway haha
No, he could not have killed her. Let's just say for the sake of argument that he lands a fatal blow here, she would just be rezzed by the Val'kyr...
Daniel Guldberg Sorry, was it Genn who got knocked halfway across the room? I don't think so. Genn in worgen form can tear the empty husk that is Sylvanas to shreds in seconds if allowed. That is why Sylvanas keeps her distance. To fight Genn one on one in melee combat would be suicide.
There are two forsaken i like in WOW,
Tehd Shoemaker
Helcular
They should be leader of forsaken.
I want tehd as a warlock follower.
wut about Alonsus, and Fel storm?
Rico O' Rourke Meryl isnt forsaken, He was mortally wounded during the troll wars and used his magic to keep himself alive, blizzard too lazy to give him a unique model.
Crazylegs677 HOLY CRAP THTS AMAZIN
Does anyone know the name of the music at 1:16 ? =$... I can not find
After completing the questline, I actually feel sad for Sylvanas. Varian's death is unfortunate, but the fault is on the wrong intel and lack of communication(btw I still don't understand why Varian said "Victory is ours!" when Gul'dan just summoned tons of notable demons). The invasion of Gilneas was actually Garrosh's idea. Sylvanas was just doing her job. The death of Liam Greymane was a result of the war, but at least Sylvanas didn't raise him as an undead or keep the body to mock Genn. While Genn said "You took my son's future. And now, I've taken yours", he actually took the Forsakens' future as a whole. But I won't blame him as he almost lost everything in the war of Gilneas.
Honestly, sylvanas is evil and all, but genn is just kinda a bitch, he ignores orders not to engage and nearly fails his mission of escorting us to stormheim, he cries about varians death, when for all he knows that was voljinns fault (I find it odd that neither faction have tried to contact the other about what happened) and his son dying, really you shouldn't have had him on the front lines if you couldn't accept the fact he might die. People aren't immortal, you can't be reckless then blame someone else when things go wrong.
Greymane is seriously emotionally unstable and unable to rationally think a situation through, even Jaina realized that she can't just go around killing people. (she still hates them of course)
Ultimately he might have made the right choice, because who knows what sylvanas would do with immortality, but that doesn't excuse disobeying orders.
"was just doing her job." is not an argument x)
Sorry pal, i kill your son, but yunno, just bizness.
Same with "was a result of the war" .
You cannot blame him, he is a (almost)-human and see fcking undead kill his son, undead man.. Like the same thing you kill in The Walking Dead. Freaks.
Just kill those plague's son and don't give them immortality.
MrMlleAnima
if genn is so mad about losing his kingdom and his son, he should target at the whole horde, not the forsaken alone. not to mention most of the forsaken are once human, including citizens of gilneas.
Jonah Marx
The "factions not talking to each other" is one of the biggest WoW lore problems and it will never get better. If Blizzard could write realistically, they cannot, Baine and Anduin would have talked to each other immediately after the Broken Shore event.
Or at least Baine would have sent a letter. Blizzard's writing is cheap in many aspects. I hope the lore fans will one day wake up and see the countless flaws and unnecessary cuts.
Not completely true. I'm not sure about the opinions Horde-side, but in regards to the Alliance only Jaina (who is totes a Dreadlord) and Greymane are upset at the Horde. Anduin - whose father died due in part to the Horde's retreat - isn't even mad at them. One of his first acts of business is to try and get the Horde back into Dalaran - which he does. True, as of yet he's not set up an official meeting with them, but taking on the role of King, leader of the Alliance, etc is a lot of work. At least he's not urging war with them. I agree that a meeting between the two factions would be one of the best things to do, but Anduin can't be blamed for Greymane's actions and Jaina's ragequits.
Blizzard's story overall however, does indeed have many flaws - no argument there.
Couldnt they just have made Saurfang the new warchief? Its like the Horde choses the worst possible guy for the job every single time.
PLease what is the soundtrack at 1:18 pleaseeee :3
I'm horde and a huge Sylvannas fan, but Greymane definitely deserved revenge for the loss of his city and son, I don't completely agree that Varian's death was her fault since the horde were getting destroyed on the upper platform. I thought that Val'Kyr was about to smash Sylvannas!
Looks like I know in which zone I'll be questing next.
anyone else worried about the small similarity between that arrow wound and vol'jin's wound at the end of the prepatch?
What is the soundtrack when Greymane broken the lantern please ? =$
Greymane > Sylvanas
Sylvanas: I overestimated you, old wolf! HAHAHAHAGenn (holding lantern with smug grin): You sure, Banshee????(about to break it)Sylvanas: OH CRAP
I may play Horde, but who wouldn't support Genn in this moment? "FOR MY SON!"
It's just a pity he didn't manage to kill Sylvanas back then.
That would have pissed off the Sylvanas simps.
It's even worse if you play a Worgen. Liam was a good kid, and Sylvanas kills him in front of Genn, and LAUGHS about it. She probably doesn't even remember *why* Genn is pissed.
Damn I love Sylvana, I wish to see her on a movie, they really need to do it :DD
no
dont love her but id wonna see a movie she's in. I hope they make the rise of the lich king movie (basically wc3 lore) and then the fall of the litch king (wotk lore).
I went through this on my Horde character and while we earned passage to the Vault by completing the trials, Sylvanas basically cheated her way in. I may not like Genn, but right here I rooted for him and as for Sylvanas, well she had it coming.
Genn really needs to focus and remember whats important, y'know, the infinite army of invading demons
Because more Val'Kyr = more Forsaken = More forces against the Legion
***** Though it would definitely split Alliance and Horde even more, and not to mention risk splitting the Horde. : / She is already out on thin ice with all her ress everyone things. : o
tell that to sylvanas, she is the one looking for inmortality
Dení C. What? Makes no sense :I
More Valkyr = More Forsaken + An immortal queen = Despotism.
Don't destroyed a Legion to create an other one pal.
explain please!
+Nitin Shekhar that makes sense, I gotcha.
thanks!
More or less this is one solution to her... afterlife problem that is down the drain. Perhaps we get more closure in that stormheim raid I heard about "what I read it is between emerald nightmare and nighthold... short raid"
She is. The lantern is a soul cage with the power to compel any being. Given to her by Helya. Helya is a twisted and evil val'kyr, who she made a deal with. Now, Sylvanas owes an unknown debt to a very evil deity that runs the underworld of vrykul.
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@Lonely Jew Gaming ...Dude do u even read? ... It says Stormheim cinematic... if u want more details about the location go play the game and find out :P
I'll assume people here know the plotline before watching this video...
Sylvannas indeed wanted immortality, but it was also partly for the future of the Forsaken, which, during Cataclysm story, she brought back Val'kyr to raise dead so the race would not dwindle (race is a bold word here, of course). Greymane's act of vengeance, while understandable, also doomed the Forsaken from their future.
Not that staying alive after death is natural at all, but I'm sure a lot of Forsaken were hoping their queen would bring them salvation. This conflict will fuel further war between Forsaken and Gileas.
And I gotta say, Genn Greymane came a long way since the second war era. He was brash, rude, and arrogant, what happened to his nation had obviously changed him quite a bit. In comic, we saw him contemplate a lot more about his actions and the wellbeing of others, perhaps him getting old has something to do with it also.
Though, during the Broken Isle invasion, Greymane transformed back to human fully clothed, here he was half naked, interesting.
It had nothing to do with the Forsaken.
She was afraid of her own mortality.
For the Horde! For the Foresaken!! Too many pleb alliances in the comment section. :p
really? all i see are horde bitches complaining about having a dumb leader again that has personal agendas lol I still love her anyways tho
Why do you feel the need to state that you love her after every comment even though you clearly....don't?
FOR THE HORDE
I'm Horde all the way, but we don't have to get behind this witch.
Colton Lacy
Ya you do
you know there is gonna be rule 34 of genn over sylvanas saying "you took my sons future, now im gonna take dat ass"... for the alliance.
is there a horde cutscene about this? I really wanna know why sylvanna did that. for the better of the horde? or what? plss tell me
Why is Pharah there?
That make me laughing ... When sylvanas saying : It's seen i overrestimated you old wolf ... and after the cinematic in the Horde side ... Sylvanas : Well hum ... i ... underestimated him after all ... *kof kof* XD
Man, Sylvanas is a cartoon villain through and through.
Oh, hey! Sylv!? WTF, SIS!? Didnt ya listen to ol' Vol'jin? Stop medling with dark twisted stuff. You must step OUT of da shadows, not force your becoming of a Lich Queen, you bloody dead elf! LEAD the horde and stop corrupting yourself further.
I'm tired of defending my Queen when she is just a vengeful spirit... I want to know what has motivated her to subjugate that Valkyr. Is she trying to control ALL of the Valkyrs to become the Valkyr Queen too?
probably next expansion villain…or one of them. And both of her sisters will have to stop her…will be sad…very sad
In short: Sylvanas doesn't want to die.
Here's the long answer: Just after Arthas, the Lich King was killed, Sylvanas found herself having no purpose since her only reason for living was to see him dead, so she threw herself off of Icecrown Citadel and basically killed herself. After death, she entered a place simply called "Hell" where all undead go after they've 'died'. I think you can guess what it's like just based on the name. She was then miraculously resurrected by one of her Val'kyr and vowed to never die again, and survive for as long as she can. The Val'kyr are basically the salvation of both herself and the Forsaken people, since they cannot procreate, they need the Val'kyr to resurrect dead soldiers to join the Forsaken, and Sylvanas needs them to resurrect herself.
It is also the major reason why Sylvanas keeps pressing into Lordaeron lands for the Forsaken. She NEEDS dead bodies to keep her people alive, so she needs to be in war pretty much all of the time. If Sylvanas cannot let go of her will to survive, she will eventually devour all of Azeroth for the Forsaken, or, more likely, the forces of Azeroth will rise up to stop her. Either way it ends badly for her.
She literally is, a vengeful spirit.
@Heron Ottoni ,"I'm tired of defending my Queen" you must be really proud of the fact that drawn pixels are "your queen" hahahahahaha
Could someone fill in the lore here? I simply just didn't understand what sylvanas what trying to do and what graymane now did to her?
Sylvanas was trying to enslave Eyir, leader of the valkyr using the lantern she got from Helya. Greymane smashed it, meaning she now has a limited number of valkyr left and it is possible to kill her in the near future.
Why Odyn never retaliated against her is beyond me. Genn could have easily killed her if he wanted to but chose not to. He finally showed that he is not just out for revenge and maybe Anduin and Varian have finally gotten to him. Genn's story is the opposite of Jaina. He sought for war and revenge for so long and is not changing towards peace where Jaina sought for peace all her life and is not deciding that it is useless.
Short answer, Odyn is an asshole who probably found the whole thing amusing
I heared that worgen curse gives the cursed - immortality among other benefits, it's is more like an very good argumentated specualtion but anyway if it is true, well that's kinda ironic.
So, without Val'kyrs the Forsaken will slowly die out and weaken the Horde forces, making the fight against the Legion harder. Good job, mister wolf.
FOR VARIAN! FOR GILNEAS! FOR LIAM! YOU GET EM GENN MY DUDE! THE SPEAR OF THE ALLIANCE'S VENGEANCE!
To all the alliance plebes the horde gets a quest after this to talk to slyvannis and she states shes not concerned that she didnt get Elydir right now because she will get her later
Can someone explain what's going on here? I haven't played Legion yet, probably won't anytime soon. I know everything up to the Broken Shore where Varian died.
@Sheriff V thanks for the summary
Could somebody explain exactly what happened? Im not a loremaster so i dont fully understand and whats going on with that lantern too
Thanks a lot :)
Oh yeah, about the Lantern.
The Lantern is an artifact Sylvanas got from the Queen of Helheim that can contain the power of Vrykul. She was trying to get more power for herself, and Gen just wants to kill all the Forsaken at any cost so he attacks her.
Literally Figuratively Stalin
Ty bro, i really apprecciate your comment :D
can someone tell me the story of this video and what happens to sylvanas and her life and the forsaken will lost and what is the valkyr mean ?
so in near futur we'll not find undead and sylvanas ? the hord will become weak.....:(
we can see the steal at 1:00 if you slow the video at 0.25
0:49 - the distance between Greymane and Sylvanas is about 4-5 meters. Her bow is on a floor. She is standing up, Greymane is staying immobile (but could move).
0:55 - the distance between Greymane and Sylvanas is 10+ meters, Sylvanas has bow in hands and is laying arrow, Greymane still stands immobile.
Blizz, i know your games are 6+ (ever since you "destroyed" Blizzard North and turned into Blizzard Activision. Diablo 1 was much more "mature"), but why are you making "cool cynematics" look that silly?
I mean its hard to tell the perspective from the floor behind greymanes legs, also sylvanas's bow landed like 2 inches away from her, its perfectly rational to assume she picked it up
Whoever wants to say Sylvanas is the bad guy: Odyn killed Helya and turned her into the first Val'kyr, their Queen. Her mind was under his control until she regained her will. Eyedir is to Helya as Nova is to Kerrigan, if you get my analogy
You know, when you hear the lore about the Val'kyr, Sylvanas doesn't seem that evil.
The one thing I found underwhelming is that she didn't shoot him in the head right there that he was already weakened. She nearly killed Arthas by successfully paralysing him and attempting to make it lead with a slow painful death if it wasn't for Kel'Thuzad's interference. It's like Blizz forgot WC3 existed, WC3 Sylvanas would have never let Greymane just walk away.
Because that would've been just petty revenge.
As a horde warrior I was cheering greymane, thanks for forcing horde players to act like shitheads bliz
Why didn't Eyir do anything after she was freed?
After knowing that Varian was dead I went to the Horde, Anduin won't be my king, but danm this cinematic makes me think about that choice.
Why don't people like Anduin?
Anduin is becoming a badass. Did you read the pre-legion comic shorts? One is about Magni and Moira, other is about Anduin, and the last one i cant remember. But yeah, Anduin is starting to finally be the man
+Michael Studený I did read the comic son of the wolf I think it was called, the thing is that I dont like him being a priest if he became a paladin and used his father's sword I would love him, but a priest as leader? we already have Velen and Tyrande.
knowing the horde bitched out because of some "demons" when varian was actually fighting the big bad guy already made me feel uncomfortable with the horde. Just saying…specially them having jesus thrall and others, srsly wtf horde
+Hakudan2 Yeah I got to admit that the horde had to retreat to save themselves but were was the loktar ogar they preach so much about? where was the victory or death? Truth be told the hordes were pussies that day.
Ok, so i blazed through the questlines asap w/o reading a single detail, got to 110 9 hours after release( just cus of food and potty breaks) and didn't really know what happened after this scene but I was under the impression she fired a tranquilizing shot at him because she didnt want to fight him?(because it brought him out of wolf form)
As far as who did better, im sure syl wasnt even trying because after he broke her lantern she just let him saunter off. If he really foiled her plans at immortality there don't you think she would've wrecked his face off?
idk i guess it didn't really make sense to me.
No, that was a killshot. Genn is just really tough.
Sorry i don't understand what happened there,becouse i can't speak english.
What happened with Sylvanas,you know Greymane freed that Valk'yr,is that bad?
Or what Sylvanas wanted from that valkyr?
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From what I understand, Helya gave Sylvanas that lantern to enslave Eyir for some raisin, then she'd grant Sylvanas immortality? lel
More lives, because she'd lost a lot of Val'kyr dying 22 times due to her own stupidity.
Sylvanas is someone one who does care about her people and will do anything to protect them. Now when I say HER people I mean the Undead. She does care about the other member species of the Horde, but honestly she’d wouldnt shed a tear if they all died. Mainly because she could resurrect them as new Undead.... and get her Lor’themar Husbando.
Commenting on this in 2021 to point out how Sylvanas doesn't care about anyone but herself, and threw the Forsaken aside as soon as they stopped being useful to her.
What happens if valkyr got free ?
FOR GILNEAS!!!
Remember Vol'jin's vision "...you be the one to save us..." Sylvanas is Azeroth's Kerrigan
Long live Greymane!
Vote Helcular for new leader of the Forsaken
Is no one gonna talk about how that shot Sylvanas took was hella badass???
The Forsaken think we're weak. A broken people. They think we'll roll over like a scared dog. How wrong they are. We will fight them in the fields until the last trench collapses and the last cannon is silenced. We will fight them on the streets until the last shot is fired. And when there's no more ammunition, we'll crush their skulls with the stones that pave our city. We will fight them in the alleys, until our knuckles are skinned and bloody and our rapiers lay on the ground shattered. And if we find ourselves surrounded and disarmed... wounded and without hope... we will lift our heads in defiance and spit in their faces. But we will... NEVER SURRENDER!!!!! FOR GILNEAS!!!
Varian must have been like a son to Genn. fkk sucks to be him to lose his real son and his quasi son
"Valhalla", is a 1x, no custom, Legion private server, check it out ;)
Good job Greymane, now undeads will not be cured! You are a genius!! Just like Garrosh -__-
I don't really think there's a cure for rotten shambling corpse disease. I'm pretty sure, once you hit that point, there is no coming back.
Hey, Holy Dreadlords are possible, sky its the limit
If i remember correct, it's even stated in WoW Chronicles Volume 1. that once undead you never go back, and undead envy the living. Then again it can be retconed and/or exceptions.
Like why not throw some undead in to somekind of holy light and nature energy nexus and see what happens.
+Reywolf2405
That's a bit different.
inmortality and undeads being cured are two huge different things, dumbass
That's not a holy dreadlord, that's what dreadlords looked like before they were turned demonic, all of the demon races were normal before being turned fel, just like the draenei aren't holy eredar, eredar are corrupted draenei.
So does she finish him off offscreen or?
He lives
Shots fired! Shots fired!
Why didn't Eyir kill her on the spott?
Eyir wouldn't dare lower herself to that bitch's level.
is this a horde cinematic?
Genn Greymane will probably be saved by the Val'kyr now
Why is Pharah in WoW?
Why did the Loa tell Vol'jin to make her warchief again? Then again, Sylvanas is ultimately a survivor, Scourge invasion not withstanding.
Rob Najjar .....Does not help that Greymane's solution to dealing with the outside world was to build a giant fuckoff wall.
Donald Trump got the 'Build a Wall' idea from Genn Greymane.
We'll see in a month or so.
@@ThallanarRabidtooth And yet Sylvanas is the one who acts like Trump.
Sylvanas is now easily my number 2 most hated character among Azeroth characters (none come b4 Gul'dan). Used to feel for her after what Arthas did in WC3 but not anymore. It started at the Wrath Gate and culminated in the Broken Shore cinematic. She is such a shady bitch (no pun intended). She's also a huge hack who just cant cut it. Cant wait to see her head on a pike. For the Alliance!
Culminated in the Broken Shore cinematic? I take it you have only seen the Alliance point of you on that?
If you watch if from the Horde side, she had no choice but to retreat or the entire force would have been decimated. Of course the Alliance assumed she was abandoning them.
As for the Wrath Gate, again that wasn't the actions of Sylvanas, but a rogue Forsaken.
Your putting a lot of false blame onto her.
I saw both. She cut and ran coz the Horde couldnt hold their part of the deal. The portal wuldve been closed by Varian if they did. As for the excuse that was given by many that Voljin (one shot by a trash mob btw) ordered her, thats a bit of a weak argument. She's hell bent on being immortal, hence serving herself because she got scared about the hell she will end up in.
As for the Wrathgate incident, sure she didnt do it, but it was done under her watch.
She's a hack who couldnt stop Arthas as an elf and she cant even control the forsaken. What makes ppl on the horde side think she can be a good warchief beats me.
Clearly if Sylvannas wanted Greymane dead that arrow would'nt be placed in his chest
Greymane let himself get hit so he could grab the lamp.
Arthur fist clench at 1:45
The sad thing is that most likely she'll be a boss in some raid. And I always wanted to play as an evil faction, imagine my happiness when DK were announced and then my surprise when they became good guys. Meh.
I hope that someday Forsaken will become a force to be reckoned with and will finally destroy something with their plague. Maybe third faction?
who is this angel?
Can anyone tell me what's the point in all this? I stopped playing WoW long time ago but this looks interesting.
Watch nobbels video on stormheim/ sylvanas / gilneas and greymane, cuz there is alot of backstory here.
.... and SHE is the leader of the Horde?
yeah…this doesn't look good for the horde
Hakudan2 I thought she would grow into the role or something, not becoming even worse with her seeking for immortality and power. : I
i know right? this sylvanas looks nothing like the sylvanas we saw when vol'jin died… I hope she freaking forgets her personal agenda now, because it really doesn't make her look any good. She is the only horde character i've liked so far so i hope they dont ruin her
Hakudan2 Its like 2 completely persons, I first thought that she might become something better, but then this. : / While I've not been the biggest fan of Sylvanas is it sad to see her getting this 'evil'
+Hakudan2 acting
This is going to be a long comment. If you hate TL;DR then don't even bother.
So if we look back at the Legion Invasion cinematics we can see that the Alliance think that the Horde betrayed them when Sylvanas called for the retreat when really the Horde was getting surrounded and Vol'jin was stabbed and dying. Likewise, in the Alliance fight, their king didn't want to give up so he sacrificed leaving on the gunship to try and take on Gul'dan and the demons and ultimately failed, dying for the Alliance in a heroic and valiant way. So now Greymane has this huge grudge against Sylvanas because he thinks that the horde just ditched him and that it is our fault that the king died. And it's really unfortunate that both of our leaders died, but I wish Greymane knew that we weren't leaving to screw them over, we were all screwed. We all had to leave and Varian could have escaped with them. I don't think the Alliance would have thought him a coward or anything. It's just heartbreaking... all of it. I was so sad. Cut to this now, Sylvanas has some shady stuff going on, not going to lie. When I watched this cutscene all I could think was, Sylvanas what are you doing? All I can imagine is that our new Warchief Sylvanas is going to turn evil or corrupted. I don't think Voljin made a good decision. I love Sylvanas. She's badass and cool looking but I don't think she's Warchief material. Now you have Genn getting his revenge on her which if he knew the truth about what happened on the invasions, I don't think he'd feel the same way... but since he is unaware of our reasoning for retreating, he gets revenge on Sylvanas. I feel bad for her slightly cuz she just became Warchief without even wanting to be and she's probably not even sure what the hell she's supposed to do because she's just used to fighting and zipping around with her little arrows and what not. I think Sylvanas is going to get her ass kicked around a lot this expansion. I just wonder if all of this could have been avoided if Greymane knew why the Horde retreated.
I love Sylvanas, and I think she was trying to become immortal for the horde. She talks about the undead in Stormheim, and how with time they waste away from decomposition. She didnt want that to happen to her, and we tried to help. Im not sure if she is corrupted or not, but I think she has good intentions but may be going at things in the wrong way. Still love her though Cx For the Horde.
+Sterling Glissman you could be right. is she decaying like the undead? cuz she seems whole in a physical sense
Im not positive, she might be. I just assumed she were because of what she talks about during quests, and that she is undead. I could be wrong though!
Well shit, Not like we had a limited amount of Val'kyrs already, well who knows if these a" pure " Val'kyrs would've a powers to restore the forsaken back to their former self,and put an end to the curse of undead(which of course would not happen a long as the wow goes on) I kinda expected Sylv and Glenn would have 1 v 1 to death and get over with the whole gilneas "incident". Not saying they should but... Of course if that would have happen, thrall would have a probably stole the kill as well, I remember I as a player looked up to him but every since cats, it has felt like everyone needs some a memory medication.
Being undead isn't a curse, you were just raised from the dead through necromancy or some form of magic. Even if they could remove the "curse" they were corpses risen from graves or the battlefield, so really its more then removing a curse, they have to also be made to be whole and complete. Also I don't think people want to really die again
Well it's a curse in that they are damned souls. They don't eat, drink, or sleep despite that being ingrained in them. Most of their positive emotions have been muted while their negative emotions are intact and the Light rejects them to the point it burns them.
+EvilCleric... Yes, they are changed...but they do feel still and have always faced adversity even within the Horde. I don't play undead but I do like their tragic storyline.
SothicLight They still feel but not as much. And their own bodies are rotting around them so there's *that* special little bit of body horror.
@@Najjarboyz3 Yeah, it actually is a curse, and one most Forsaken don't want others to deal with.