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Definitely the best video I've seen on this topic, loved it 👌👌👌👌
The best 24 minutes I spent on this subject well done and thank you mate! Esp at 12:41pm kept me from going to bed. I always wondered how a guy in 4WD action broke his cv by engaging the locker now I know....
Same
Great upload been looking at lockers for a while great info about them
Out in the field...good examples, that was well demonstrated.
Very nice truck. That flex was pretty impressive.
Pinion to spider gears ay! Who needs a crown wheel...... 🤣
That is a very good explanation on how they work
love the sound of the patrol, nice man
Good video mate. MAD RIG is twin E Locked and loves it. 👌🏻🤘🏻
Love the patrol. Y’all get some of the coolest trucks. I used to buy a lot of my fj40 parts from your country. Great video.
Such a great explanation of how lockers work. I have had a few different lockers over the years. A couple of Air-lockers and a couple of detroit EZ lockers. I kind of knew how they worked, but you have explained them so much clearer.
I loved all the locker options. They all have there benefits, depending on the vehicles use.
One Life, One Search,
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Shane
Great vid Sam. And totally agree. Thanks.
Great info & killer Rig! Much appreciated info! Cheers!!
Nice vid. Need a locker for my ranger. Great content as usual 😀
Can you go out 2wding and show us how much a rear locker would help a 2wd vehicle? I'm sure you could turn the idea Into a interesting and funny video as always love your videos!
Ide just weld the diff in a 2wd bump spending the money on a locker
Solid video brother, enjoyed it!
Great Review thank you for sharing 👍 👍🇺🇲
The Vermonter
That interruption …… guy had me roaring 🤣
20:00 regarding electronic traction control. Look at the Jeep sport vs Rubicon. the sport has pretty good traction control but cant compare to lockers.
Read the best description somewhere years ago. Something needs to slip for the traction control to work, that slip could be just enough for you to get stuck
whats your take on your eaton with the roll back and disengage? or have you ever had the diff 'locked' but in reality the locker didn't lock up? what do you think would cause this?
whats the best way to operate the locker in. a way to guarantee engagement
I know this video is about lockers, but that articulation is the truth!
There is something about Funk music and Epic mustache, that makes me hit Subscribe, every time! :)
Good Stuff, Great Tips😃👍🏿
Mint info mate! Should've done downhill open diff aswell to show the speed difference when engaged 👍
Nicest patrol I have ever seen 😍
Would you use a rear locker on snowy hills? Or would the locker just kick the rear end out?
Very informative ty!
Good video, here's a thumbs up👍.
That beast sounds nice
Can u pls make a video about your headlights and how u installed them because I want to do the same thing for my car
Man thanks for this Video and info I am looking at getting a Isuzu MUX and that thing has a Lsd in the rear so I ll just get the front Locker when I get it. Cheers mate
Fun fact: the e locker will disengage when you roll back on a hill and won’t re-engage for almost one whole tire rotation.
Yeah true but a full tyre rotation before re-engagement is a bit of am exaggeration. Half turn at max.
Only on these EATON ramp units and it’s a made up problem.
usually there’s enough bind in the diff that they stay locked
Great video thanks
On the lsd to locker oil comment Sam if your running a Arb or Tjm locker or even a 4wd systems auto locker they recommend ls90 lsd oils for there difflocks. great vid cheers mate,
Thanks for the infor... 😁
Hey Sam can you do a video on snorkels like stainless vs safari? Do you need an airbox ect? Cheers loving the videos 👌🏼
Ben Hurst I’m no expert don’t get me wrong but the snorkels basically do the same, the only thing with snorkels is which direction you would want it facing (snorkel head facing towards the rear to prevent dust from getting into your intake, or facing forward like traditional snorkels, depends how much dusty driving you do) also safari snorkels or other plastic snorkels can become brittle after years of being in rain, hail and shine, where as stainless snorkels won’t have that issue obviously.
I’m pretty sure you would need an air box as the air box houses the air filter before the intake enters the engine. And you should always be running an air filter in case any dust does enter your snorkel or air inlet and it will filter out majority of that dust.
Like I said, I’m no pro so I could be completely wrong, that’s just my understanding of it all
First of all, Safari is a brand and stainless is a construction type.
Generally speaking people make the choice between the steel and plastic styles based on aesthetic and cost.
Some argue that the air ram head on a plastic snorkel has a filtering effect against water and dust because of the drainage holes, however this minimal benefit is countered by the next benefit.
The second and more enticing benefit to a air ram snorkel (used on plastic snorkels) is that they push air into your car as you drive into the wind. Unfortunately this does not hold up from a physics point of view, the car already sucks maximum air in and the forward velocity of the car is far too slow to compress air into the intake.
All air compression benefits of a snorkel come because they are essentially pulling in cooler air (air temps are significantly lower further from the ground). Cooler air is more compressed.
Steel snorkels face backwards, which can slightly reduce dust and water ingress. By facing backward the snorkel is much louder, some people like this and others do not.
There are a lot of local fabricators that can make steel snorkels which create a healthy and competitive price point.
If you do opt for a plastic snorkel, bare in mind that there are only a few producers in the country. Expensive brands like safari come from the same factories and batches as the cheaper ones except for safari's high grade option.
Having a snorkel has nothing to do with your airbox, you can change it if you want but that's your choice. Deleting your airbox is not a 'thing', people change the filters for 'high flow' KN or pod filters but not a straight pipe.
Open diffs are four wheel drive until you need it.
cool video mate i cant wait until i get a patrol
Nice video, very informative! By the way, the background music makes it harder to hear what you are saying.
If you keep the same gear ratio, can you swap in a locker without setting up the gears if everything else is the same?
Live in the mid west with rigged winters. I'm trying to decide between E locker or air locker? I plan to add air ride to the truck at some point. Do air lockers ice up in extreme cold?
yeah nice mate
Nice vid mate I’m interested in buying a locker
What about with a all wheel drive T-Case?
I know I’m kind a late to the game but I just discovered you recently. I don’t think I could afford two lockers so would you suggest a rear locker with a LSD in the front? Or just the rear? I don’t have a LSD in the rear
Thank you. I have a 2017 Tacoma 4x4 off-road. It has the factory rear elocker and crawl control. How does installing the front Eaton elocker work with / effect crawl control? Anyone?? Thx.
Hey interesting video and very informative! I'm located in Texas a recently bought my wife a Subaru ascent...saw they offer a 2" lift but my thing is could I install front and rear lockers in it? Haven't seen any kits for it and wondering if it is possible?
It is not really possible. No one makes lockers for Subaru and they wouldn't work well on an AWD anyway.
I wanted the locker in the front axle but as its not a good idea to lock the steerers i swapped the back axle with the front so it steers from the back and goes everywhere backwards. Problem solved! Hit me up for any advice if you'd like to do it yourself
what about lokka and their auto locker? fansy on paper and in some vids but how would they stack against e and a lockers?
Witch one do you recommend for my 2015 Tacoma
Hello, great video! Watching from California, USA. Working on my first 4wd build, 1979 International Harvester Scout ii, 345 engine, automatic, 4wd. Dana 44 front and back, 3.54 gears. Currently have 31 tires, looking at 33 if I do a tire upgrade. Looking at important upgrades versus fixing the looks of my Frankenstein. Recommendations for lockers? Gear? I'm not looking at extreme rock/snow/mud, just want to keep up with most trails. Won't be driving daily too much. Thanks in advance mate!
I'd love to see your build
I've actually learnt stuff haha
Sam, you didn't mention maintenance servicing, warranty and spare parts, or lack there of from some brands. I got mine after discussion with transmission firm who just do drive line mechanics, and nothing else for a living. I suggest if your serious about buying lockers go talk to a drive line specialist and see what they have to recommend for your need. Agree on the strength and simplicity of the e-locker. For my simple 4wd I am e-happy. PS, I am not sure some of the troll gallery actually watched your demo driving? That was a ing tough incline wasn't it or did you just tilt the camera over? Seriously though, nice to see someone who knows how to use the gear properly do it right.
Most 'drive-line specialists' do not understand 4x4 applications - unless they wheel themselves. Even then, they do not see all of the different lockers out there on the market, so they will favour one brand and push it.
I have a problem with ARB lockers. The twin washers inside the air line ring (seal housing) mounted onto the axle spline gear (bearing journal) is so low quality. They begin to leak after a year and start to pump your diff oil out to the air pump and now you have an oil leak from your air pump. And when the leak increases with more wear, your lockers stop locking. You have to dismantle the whole diff to change those washers. And guess what, those also wear and here we go again. They are constantly subjected to friction when the axles are moving. This is a big big design weakness. I prefer electrically operated lockers now.
in lockers does the "spline" matter, i noticed they have 34 and 37 "spline?", looking at getting a front Elocker for my nissan patrol as it has an LSD rear. Cheers
The spline is for your axle shafts. More splines, bigger diameter shafts.
Are these better than the stock jeep trash lock?😊
Review on Ana’s drawer
I have a WG Jeep....it’s factory stock with lockers..hehe
thank you good expanation
20:10 Traction control takes time to decide which wheel is spinning, I much prefer lockers!
Hello Sam. I'm a follower from Mexico. I will like to ask you to do a single video on: Front auto lockers (like lokka). Specifically on applications like the latest Hilux N80. I want to know more about noise when in 2wd. And the necessity or not of using Manual Hubs or if the standard axle disconnect it is enough. Thanks in advance. Cheers.
i think seano from 4wd action did one in a hilux.. should be to hard to find on youtube
Can you engage/disengage while moving 5mph or less? Or recommend engaging at a complete stop?
It's ok to engage/disengage when moving very slowly but it will only disengage when the load is taken off the driveline.
At least in Finland with snow driving e-lockers and lsd are pretty much useless if you are on the verge of getting stuck.
Hi Sam, really good video.. I got extremely motivated to install a rear difflock on my patrol bagon 3.0L. Do you guys can do the job, if not do you know anyone who could do it in Perth. Thanks and drive safe
I visited a drift/drag shop near Perth back in 2006. I think it was called redline? They could probably do it.
I want to understand your explanation of 4X4 actually 2 wheel drive. I have anti-slip diffs (recently fully serviced) in a Ford PU. Will the anti-slip diffs act like lockers or not. Thanks, Len
Hi Len, you may have found out this info in the meantime but just in case.
We'll start with a standard RWD sedan with an open centre diff to keep it simple. As we know their referred to as 2WD.
But if we jack up one wheel of the ground and try to drive forward it wont go anywhere since all the drive force is following the path of least resistance. So technically the car is only referred to as one wheel drive.
On a normal 4wd if you pick up one front and one rear wheel the same thing happens, your not moving anywhere
Fulltime 4wd like the Perentie in my avatar, if the centre diff lock (3rd diff inside gearbox) is not locked and I pick up only one wheel I dont move anywhere due to all the driving force again following the path of least resistance.
Now another term for your anti-slip diffs is "limited slip" they try to keep both wheels turning when one is lifted or losses traction but ultimately cant. Their still "trying" to provide drive force to the wheel with the traction even though it may not be turning,
So eg in simple terms, if you have enough momentum in a tough section that little extra drive force to the wheel with traction may be enough to pull you though where as the open centre vehicle would stop
the locker like in the Video is literally a physical system forcing each wheel is spinning the exact same speed regardless of traction, so if one is in the air and one on the ground it can still move forward.
should i get a front or a rear for my brumby, i swapped it for an ej engine and modified that a fair bit, also have a 3 inch lift but the thing is when it’s not in 4wd it’s fwd not rwd, can anyone help ?
I dont like the way the E lockers shatter cross shafts in land cruiser rear diffs. Going from the factory size cross shaft of 22mm and reducing them to only 16mm has me confused. The whole E locker center for the rear diff looks like a diff made for a small 4wd that has a big flange fitted to take the large gears. I would stay away from the E locker if your car is heavy , powerful and has big tyres.
Hey Sam, Do you miss your LSD out on the road with all the grunt of a V8?
Cool video
I have Factorie rear locker shooter put a front locker in
GREAT VIDEO I LEARNT MORE HERE THEN SCHOOL LOL
I need to open ad Aromatic Hub for a 2000 Nissan S22
I don't know how to do it. Do You can help me fo it, please
All you needed to say was - the locking ring connects one side gear to the case. The explanation about how that happens is only confusing to people. Technically you have four wheel drive, until one front and one wheel loses grip. You still have drive to all wheels even when the differential is operating - until the traction limit of the tyre is exceeded. And no mention of automatic versions, ie Lokka, where front locking is achieved without effecting steering. Very little comment on the big down side of front verses rear - steering influence.
The other down side to front lock,is the lighter structural components used in front axles, eg smaller diameter axles, constant velocity joints and vulnerable alloy free-wheel-hubs, that are all placed under over-load when reversing up a grade with front locked, where suddenly these components are expected to do 80 percent of the drive load when they are only designed to do 40 percent. Need to be aware so you can adjust your right boot input in those situations. Apart from those little brain farts, a good presentation.
This was a really good video man good shit
If you have open differentials, you can engage the "poor man's traction control" by activating/releasing the emergency (parking) brake over and over again until the power transfers from the no traction wheels to the high traction wheels. 0 - 5 - 0 mph wheel speed is key.
Not efficient enough. Will work off equipped with a plated LSD with pressure rings, but an other diff, out won't work. It'd work if you slow down the wheel that's spinning.
@@FuvNtsimKhaab of course it's not efficient. It's the poor man's limited slip or traction control (depends on how you look at it). The idea behind quickly engaging and disengaging the e-brake is to "trick" the open differential into transfering power from the wheel spinning freely to the wheel with traction. Start by applying just a little power (0 to 5 mph) and then finesse the e-brake (on-off-on-off) until you feel the vehicle grab traction. If you have an LSD installed, there shouldn't be any need to work the e-brake. After all, the "L" and the "S" in LSD stand for limited slip (respectively). If your LSD isn't transfering power under low traction situations, you might have a problem in the differential.
@@cliffcampbell8827 the thing is, when you apply the e-brake, it also applies brake to the wheel that isn't spinning. You cannot spin up the wheel that has traction if you are holding it from spinning. This is why brake assist traction control systems work because they apply brake to individual wheels.
Typical clutch type LSD needs the tires to be on the ground to work. The pressure rings need a force to act upon. If it is set up with strong cone springs it'll grab. Too many times where guys use too much throttle and the sudden grab of the clutch/plated LSD breaks axles. Using the e-brake to initiate an opposing force for the pinion cross pin to ride up the ramps of the pressure rings allow the clutches to grab in situations where a tire is off the ground.
@@cliffcampbell8827 here's a demo I did a long time. The car has a 2way clutch LSD in the rear. The first climb with no use of e-brake. The 2nd climb with 80% e-brake engaged, the 3rd climb with around 40% e-brake engaged. It is also equipped with the DCCD(driver controlled center differential) 6spd with has an electromagnetic locking planetary center diff.
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@@FuvNtsimKhaab how did you get the passenger rear off the ground like that?
Was that picture of a HILUX engine
What obout water does it affect air locker?
Sam on the e locker issue, what would you recommend for a 2019 Jimny; front or rear to start with being a swb?
rear first
sell it,buy a gu or 80..
Always the rear
0:05 with subtitles on 😂
I have a 2001 100 series Land Cruiser equipped with a Center Diff Lock. I'm looking at getting an e-locker and I'm thinking to put it in the rear. What would you recommend?
front,,the front pulls you thru/up. the rear does nothing. go find a decent mechanic,& check the tension on the lsd, you can tighten them,but will shorten life,maybe thats why there crap..the later ones,like yours could be better than the early ones,totally useless..go take 5k out the bank,& get both..it seems some unlock on there own..id possibly go for a detroit rear,lunchbox front. no cables wires to break..go to u.s ebay,toyota 100 lockers..easy install your self..id even get detroit front & rear,the front should unlock when turning..they dont have a problem in u.s.
I have a new badlands bronco with lockers front and rear.
what abut snow or mud? is it better an LSD then?
What about manual locking hubs for the front diff do they kind of do the same job as a locker?
sam beavis No they don’t.
No mate not at all, that just engage the front wheels, without them locked the diff will spin but axels and wheels wont
Is your patrol manual or auto?
would would hapen to the locker if its been enguage and you have to make a tight turn during offroad??
With the rear locker it is no problem, the tyres will just drag a bit across the ground.
With the front locker it will make it harder to steer but you can still do it if you have power steering.
To clarify, third generation Tacomas come with a rear E-locker. It will not engage unless at a full stop in 4wd low in drive if automatic.
Put twin E Lockers in my 80series just before xmas last year. Now have just gotten back from 5 weeks in cape york. Let's just say I walked through all the crossings on both the OTT and Frenchman's Tracks towing a camper.
Best upgrade I've done to the Cruiser ever!
Only bad part about a e locker is the price where I have found arb ones are the cheapest on the market compared to harrop elockers and tjm pro lockers
And the way they lock, weak. And if you roll back the unlock then relock as they run up and down the ramp.
Can be bad
detroit rear,lunchbox front..no leads,no probs..
What about front auto lockers? Whats Your opinion on them?
Do it all ways works . i run Detroit in my jeep and love it.
I have a factory locker in my N80, never had a problem with it (apart from it only being able to engage in low range) is there any advantage in fitting an aftermarket locker?
logan Scottbarnes get an ‘anytime locker’ buddy
Not really mate, waste of $$ unless factory one breaks
it should work in 4 high & low,if not,see a leci,he could fix the wireing..
That’s why I love my Jeep, aftermarket is strong and I have a controller that allows me to engage F/R factory lockers whenever.
Actually love your visual scribbles, #neurodiverse visual learner less acronyms and more to the point .. thankyou
What do you think of lunchbox lockers like the Lokka or Powertrax Lock Right?
Lunchbox lockers are cheap, reliable and give as much traction off-road as any other locker.
The downsides are that they are not as strong as some lockers that replace the entire carrier (this is not a problem with most 4WDs because the axle shafts will break before the locker anyway), and they don't operate as smoothly as selectable lockers. In the front they can cause understeer and heavy steering, also they can only be used with power steering.
In the rear they can make noise when driving on the road and cause oversteer and excessive tyre wear if driven too fast around corners.
@@JeremyPetho bs..lunch box are same as any locker in the front,they disconnect under turning,unless you fit them wrong. if it doesnt clik on bitumen,,its installed wrong..where do you get your info.aus.??..it tells you in the spill when you buy them,what size tire is max..if you want bigger than 35",get a detroit or something else..you need to watch more u.s vids.not this baby stuff..
@@phantomwalker8251
What part exactly are you trying to say is BS?
Lunchbox lockers are not like any other locker in the front since most are turned on and off with a switch. A lunchbox locker disconnects when turning but torque from the engine works to hold it locked. So with a lunchbox or other auto locker in the front under acceleration, it can understeer when on a slippery surface. It also can make it very difficult to steer if you don't have power steering.
Yes you are correct, they do click when on bitumen. How noticeable this is depends on the vehicle.
Like I said, they are not as strong as a carrier replacement locker (like a Detroit).
This stuff works all the same regardless of which country you are in.
Toyota guys should get a rear locker as their lsds suck. Nissans have tight rear lsds so can get away with just a front imo.
Spot on
What about the super select system in the pajeros that have the center diff lock
Yea the centre difflock and pajero 4wd system is good overall but you still want a rear locker in ya paj mate
Thanks man
Front locker and CVs in a ifs ? What should and shouldn’t I do to keep my cvs happy? Cheers!
Dont floor it with ya front wheel in the air. Locker in the front can help. Been there twin locked. Really good
You should do a solid axle conversion, haha.
SAS it!! If u wanna keep ur cvs happy, dont lift above 2 inches, and dont bother locking the front
A locker can help prevent you breaking your CVs but only if you use it right. Don't use it more than needed and use both front and rear together if you are lifting wheels or really need the extra traction.
So if you have an lsd it’s basically having a locker but just full time ???
A locker locks both sides together. An LSD tries to hold both sides together with friction but with enough force it will still end up slipping.
Hey Samantha what do you reckon of the lokka brand diffs
what are your thoughts on auto lockers
modern rubbish,too much to fail,be them air or elec. u.s auto lockers work like a ratchet,one way,forward,just to get you thru,but they also have locking hubs,mine are air auto with locking hubs. manual is best.. something shts out bush,you go no where..as mine did. 2wd only..
Excellent video. What's everybody's thoughts about OX LOCKERS THAT ARE CONTROL BY A CABLE?
opinion on lunchbox lockers? for a front diff
chrispirola had them in 5 differnt cars in fault able would chose again An again in the most extreme conditions aswel
Depends if you can put up with the terrible noises they make, and the sometimes random locking and unlocking on bitumen
Set it up properly an no issue
@@phatdongracing419 even set up properly, they're still annoyingly loud in a daily driver 4x4, fine in a pure off road rig, this is only my opinion tho, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one 🤣
@@tassie4x499 and they stink