Interesting take on the varia VS3. I checked it out in the eight ounce coffee show room and it grinds slowly. I thought it would be a major drawback in comparison to other electric grinders. Would definitely love to try it out given the chance.
@@ropro9817 were talking real coffee grinders here, they can be thousands of dollars. There are sub $100 grinders but you're not likely going to find anything that can do espresso very well. I know some people think a $20 the spinny blade grinders are all they need but those are more choppers than grinders and give you very inconsistently ground coffee since you have very little control over how many times it gets chopped.
I have the Encore and then bought the JX pro a few months after, the difference in grind quality is night and day! I think it's important to mention though that Baratza really stands behind their products, and encourages you to diagnose and repair them yourself which is a really great and eco friendly business practice. Another thing is that the X-pro is mainly geared for filter brewing where the JX-pro has the fine adjustment to do both filter and espresso. Great summary of everything, I wish this video was out when I was searching for my first grinder! Very helpful for beginners.
Which is night? And which is day? I have the jx pro and currently looking for an electric one because my hands are tired after making two lattes 😅 and im scared of getting bad taste from budget electric grinders
@@selj8287 That's a hard guess, as I thought my JXP was a step up from a blade grinder/hario but not by much so I hope the encore isn't worse lol. I upgraded to the KMax and wish I went with that instead as it was much cleaner (now I'd love to trade it in for the ZP6 I've been told it's another step up in clarity). I went to a P100 right after for an electric grinder but that was a titanic leap in price and cup clarity, I wish I could help with recommendations in between those price points. If I were still trying to stay on budget I probably would have tried grinders like the ode, zerno, barazta vario/forte etc.
@@LastAphelion are you talking about the lagom p100? Damn the price difference from the jxp is definitely titanic 😬 like i could drown in debt😂 the zp6 looks awesome! Those grinders were not available yet when i bought my jxp
@@selj8287 I should have asked first, is it more clarity that you're looking for? Cause now would be the time to buy the ZP6 as they are discontinuing them
@@LastAphelion not really. Im just looking for electric grinder that wont dull the flavors. As im writing that maybe im actually looking for clarity 😂 but not really more
For under $100.00, I had a Krupps burr grinder. I has a flat burr grinder all the settings you would need and with the hopper being down in the machine it is compact enough to take in and out of a cupboard after use. I used it constantly for 12 years before the motor finally gave up the ghost, but that machine was the longest lasting appliance I've ever owned.
I've had the breville for a few years now, paired with the flair neo. Honestly, I make a better cup than most coffee shops. Excited to when I have some money to upgrade, but for now, this setup has been amazing!
I've owned the Breville for a couple of years now and despite its flaws, having a machine that can actually do everything from French press to espresso on a budget is very handy. Definitely punches above its weight in my opinion.
I own one as well (as well as a Breville Touch with a similar grinder built in) and I think it does a great job. One thing that may not have been mentioned is that you can also micro-adjust the burrs from 1-10, giving you a much finer control beyond the regular selection wheel. I even use it for Turkish coffee at level 1.
I love that the Baratza Sette 30, for minimal cost, can have the 270 adjustment ring added, making it have the same grinding functionality, minus all the other stuff. Not bad for a tiny grinder :)!!!
I also think that most people interested in both espresso and filter would rather have an "espresso-oriented" grinder because of the prices of espresso machines WRT filer setups, so that could be something to consider
@@KyleRowsell lol, nice! Truthfully, I was at work when you're video came out and I was only 2 minutes in and my boss came in. Lol. But I wanted to let others know that this is possible :-). I'm glad that you also had the 270 adjustment ring :-)! After watching the rest of the video, I am impressed by how wonderful this whole review ended up being :-)! You definitely were objective and laid out situations that would be a little different for different types of people. Impacting which grinder to be recommended :-). Thank you for that :-)!
Nice to see the Varia getting more traction. Mine arrived this week and it's been great so far. The build quality is absolutely top notch, and it fits in really well with my Gaggia.
I have a J-Max and never wanting to buy another grinder because I love it so much 🤠 BUT I can never get enough of these grinder comparisons, so thanks for surprising us with this and putting in the hard work!
lol i feel you. they work so well!! i still kind of want an automatic one, too though. can't help myself. : ) how easy it would be to just pregrind up some filter coffee for a week or two.
Well--finding a new video from Kyle is an unexpected pleasure this afternoon! I love seeing the SD40 in this video. I just got that as I began entering into coffee a month ago, and it's been a real pleasure. I'm buying a flair 58 next month to go with it. Thank you for all of your advice and content as I get more into coffee!
Currently own the Baratza Encore with the upgraded virtuoso burrs. Recently purchased the 1zpresso JX for travel and essentially stopped using the encore because the JX was noticeably better. After watching this video I ordered the Varia Vs3 from eight ounce coffee, looking forward to testing it out once it arrives!
@doctormoobbc I would say the JX and VS3 are quite comparable, actually. In terms of taste, I would place them very closely, with the varia having a slight edge on coarser grounds. I mostly brew aeropress and pour over, and they both do a great job at either. I would say that surprisingly, the JX probably grinds quicker, but I find both plenty fast for my use. I have yet to dip my toes into the espresso world, but I would expect both to do a good job also. In terms of workflow, I'd have to hand it to the vs3 as it's easier to change the grind. The jx grind adjustment is inside the grounds compartment, which isn't a huge deal but an extra step. End of the day, it's really a matter of whether or not you want something portable or not, both are very well built and feel high quality.
Maybe it’s because I’m a newbie but finding an espresso-specific grinder to eliminate variables to pull a good shot seems impossible. What would be the best espresso specific grinder on a budget? (Under $200 USD)
J-Max. I have one that I just connected to a motorized stand that provides the power. At 87 I guess I failed the strength test required to grind mainly for espresso
If I would search a grinder for both filter and espresso, I would also go for the varia vs3. It seems like the niche killerto me. If I was mainly drinking filter coffee, I would go for a hand grinder. I have to say I’m really happy with my Comandante MK4 though and using a dedicated espresso 64mm flat burr grinder (Ceado E5SD).
Thank you Kyle!! Been dying for a good video about the VS3. As a lagom mini (happy) owner I really want to see them side by side, but your note about the cup profile says it all. I think they absolutely nailed it, though it's extremely similar to the mini but it's like they took notes from lagom's first year - the adjustment marks, nicer catch cup and bellows
I have the VS3. No stalling on light roasts and none reported when I researched which is encouraging. They market it as an espresso grinder, with the caveat of 30 mins grinding then 1 hour off. So sort of similar to the lagom mini. Only 1 year warranty which maybe indicates they don't trust the motor long term, time will tell. It's a joy to use though. 40s for 18g espresso dose, which is not too bad, you get used to it and build your workflow around it. I've also found tapping the top works as well as the bellows so I leave mine off most of the time. Makes great coffee, very similar profiles to my k-max.
I'm watching this a year later and just bought the white label SK40 (Itop 40s) on AliExpress for $165. Being true stepless now with an upgraded burr set seems to make it a no-brainer for an entry level or backup grinder
How about a comparison of the Varia and the Lagom Mini in the near future. You know the Lagom Mini and it would be helpful to see how the two grinders are similar but more importantly how they differ. Thanks for putting out an informative and entertaining channel.
I have the Sette and found what you found: better for espresso since even at coarse settings, the amount of fines muddies filter cups. Since I mainly drink filter, I recently picked up a refurbished (by Fellow) Ode and the Gen2 burrs for less than the Gen1 Ode. A significant boost in cup quality.
Hey Kyle! Great videos and I really appreciate the service that you provide all of us. However,I wanted to take a few minutes to help you understand that an electric motor’s “power” is not the important feature of an electric grinder. Ultimately it is Torque (T) that is key, which is also a function of RPM. The formula to calculate this is T = 5250 x HP / RPM, with the resulting units in lb-ft. So, for the 6 grinders in this video: Urbanic 080 - 250W at an assumed 1700rpm = 1.03 Breville Smart Grinder Pro - 165W at 450rpm = 2.58 Baratza Encore - 120W at 550rpm = 1.54 Varia VS3 - 100W at 165rpm = 4.27 Baratza Sette 270 - 200W at 450rpm = 3.13 Turin SD40 - 180W at 750rpm = 1.69 Of course, the size of the burrs will impact how that torque is put to use, but based on the above results, the Varia is significantly better than the rest and your possible concerns about that low “power” is likely erroneous. Needless to say, I am quit eager to see how the Varia handles the lighter roasts at an espresso setting! I hope this helps…
That’s all good in theory. But the varia takes nearly a minute to grind for espresso. Do that 3-5 times a day for the average user and you have significant more use than a niche or sette at 12-15 seconds to grind. There are more variables than you’re listing. Also, I didn’t say it’s not a good espresso grinder. I’m just cautioning that we’re not confident in its long term reliability at this time. And the option o lagom mini had similar claims to the vs3 but after my review there were many claiming stalled motors and even others with burnt out motors. So to your point… sure, in theory. But I don’t want it on my conscious to advise people to purchase this as an espresso daily driver.. yet.
@@KyleRowsell Thanks for the quick reply! Just to be clear, I am a motor and motor control expert, so it bothers me when people focus on "power". Not critical of you at all, I just saw an opportunity to educate you on the science behind motor selection. I suspect the Varia engineers had low RPM as one of their key attributes and optimized accordingly. I am definitely looking forward to your complete review on the Varia! 😁
I was using a SGP for pour over. Pros: 5+ years with mine with zero issues. I grind on the finer end of medium and got some great high notes. It was very customizable with the adjustable burr. The cons: It easily retained 1-2 grams. The grinds were inconsistent, especially if you go coarse. Lacked clarity. After a few other conical grinders, I decided to go with a flat burr grinder for my pour over and was considering the Ode with upgraded burrs but chose against it. Customer service is unquestionably good but... between us, I just didn't trust them past the warranty. Too new of a grinder co for me. So I eventually went with a gently used Forte BG for less than the Ode+upgrades and haven't looked back.
No Eureka Mignons? I've gotta say, my Mignon Filtro (with espresso burrs) is unstoppable at roughly $200, or the Chrono for $250. Built like a tank, great even grind, flat burrs, great design, and easily upgraded to a single dose/zero retention/bellows hopper via Etsy. Always surprised when a company like Urbanic is represented and Eureka isn't (not to disparage Urbanic, I've just seen a lot of vids with their paint chipping or dubious burr alignment). Love the content! Thanks!
I own the Eureka Filtro also! I use it for both espresso and filter coffee and it's great. However I am thinking about upgrading tthe burrs to the espresso burrs and then maybe getting another grinder just for filter. Would be great to have @kyleRowsell opinion on this also. Think he might be doing a future video on the Eurekas.
@@duffyrides My filtro handles espresso and filter equally well. The only struggle is that I grind espresso between 1 and 2 on the nob, and for filter/pourover I do 2 full counterclockwise rotations and land on 3, so i always know which I'm dialed in for: If it's at 1.5ish, I'm set for espresso, if it says 3 I'd set up for filter. Less guess work. Happy brewing!
Great video. I still love watching your comparisons and reviews despite not being in the market for a new grinder at the moment. Currently with a niche and 1z k max
Dark roast espresso is perfect from my Varia, don't mind the slow grind, can grind without waking the household in the mornings. As close to zero retention as you can wish for. RDT with the included spray bottle means very minimal retention . I use this with my Breville Barrista Pro.
Picked up the Ode gen 2 for less than $250. Can’t wait to try. Upgrading from an Encore with M2 burrs. Also picked up a Q2 based on your recommendation for travel with an aeropress. Very impressed with that combo for what it is. Thanks for all the great content!
@@Kwijiboi Love it! Upgraded to the SSP MP burrs. The gen 2 burrs are great but was chasing more clarity. Best grinder for the money unless you were able to get the Timemore Sculptor 078 for the kickstarter price.
@@Kwijiboi Ode gen 2 has the gen 2 burrs (duh), better tolerances, ion generator to reduce static and retention, and a larger/more sloped hopper for less feeding stalls and greater capacity for batch brew. A gen 1 ode with gen 2 burrs is 90% the same otherwise. Better UX, but that’s personal preference whether it’s worth it or not. The gen 2 burrs are more forgiving and give a more balanced cup vs the SSP MP, but less clarity
Been using the Ode Gen 2 for 6 weeks now. Darker (oilier beans).need help down the hopper. 25g + the motor occasionally stops when it shouldn't. Motor sounds and feels like it's underpowered but once finished, grind is consistent. Still trying to evaluate...🤔. Very informative video...nice. Thank you.👍
Great video! I'd love to see a comparison like this of grinders in the next price bracket up (DF64, Ode 2, etc) for those of us looking to upgrade from our first grinder.
Sage smart grinder pro: For espresso I dial down to 7 for a Sage Duo Temp Pro. It is almost automatic as both can be mostly left unattended. Sometimes it does not stop and the timer countdown resets to the dialled in settings and does not stop. Sometimes the button or the portafilter button does not work. When this happens you have to unplug it. It might be fixable but happens so rarely, over the past 5 years, that I have not bothered to enquire. Espresso has more sweetness than filter. The retention is too high but is easy to take of the hopper and brush the partially ground coffee down for the last gram between changing the beans.
Mine had the same problem with the start buttons not working and the timer changing by itself. Eventually it stopped working altogether. A shame as the hardware is all in great shape.
Right now in my country you can buy Fellow Ode 1.1 for 205$, I thinking about this - adding burrs 2.0 for 80$ and its still below 300$ - yes, old model but its more then enough for me
I’ve been waiting for a video on the Varia. I think it’s a goer for me. I only make one espresso a day and maybe occasionally make some for friends, it’ll be perfect for me for my morning v60 and arvo espresso! I think… thanks Kyle!
I have watched dozens of grinder videos, and just end up more confused about the "right one for me". Question, I'm a French press person first and foremost. I hand grind and have long enough! Which grinder would be best if I primarily brew French press but occasionally brew pour over. I've not ventured into espresso, but might in the future. Thanks for the input.
1ZPresso ftw! 😁 The value you get from grinding by hand is unreal, and I couldn't recommend them enough if someone is physically able to do so. I got a K-Max recently, rather than spending another $100 on the Ode 2.0, and I don't regret my choice at all! Buttery smooth to grind with, very quick, and it makes incredible tasting coffee. I've been burning through a bag of Kenyan coffee because it tastes like pure pomegranate juice through that grinder haha!
Bought the MHW-3Bomber equivalent of the Turin / Solo 38 at US$200 since I'm next to China, the X-Pro could be had for US$120 too but I've moved on from hand grinding. I had either choice so there was alot of value for money other than the fact that the Bomber isn't stepless and the usable espresso range is at 0-3 for me, might be that the Turin branded ones are tuned to have a better espresso range but nevertheless a fun little grinder to compliment my DF83.
I appreciate how thoughtful your video content is and how well organized the jump links are as well. You deserve the subscribe and I'd be happy to use your affiliate links bc you have clearly provided valuable insights. Thank you!
Well done. I just released a video comparing the Encore to the SGP, but your breakdowns of those and others in the price range really shine a light on more options and what people should be considering. Thanks for putting this out there!
Re the Breville Pro. Do you know you can pull the Burrs out, then remove the metal handle thing, then you can rotate the black plastic outer, and change the 'base' setting', then replace it, thus giving nearly an infinite number of grind notches. (60 x many more) Mine plastic ring came set to a default setting of 6. Change it to 1 and you'll get a much finer grind
Kyle. How about sharing your girinder settings for pourover, espresso etc. - makes a good baseline for the rest of us in dialing in. AND HEY.. the SGP has an adjustable top burr - you forgot that. That changes the 60 steps to almost 600 when you include the 10 steps in that top burr.
So which one of these is the best espresso centred grinder? Im currently using the SGP and am looking for a bit of an upgrade but cant afford the Niche. Should I rather just save more for the NIche?
Hi Kyle. Now that the Encore is out with their ingenious but simple solution incorporating/ 20 espresso adjustments out of 40 total adjustments…QUESTION IS, does this make the ESP competitive and a best value in this new space for it?😊😊😊
Varia vs3, $299, you're welcome. There were two other picks also, can give him ad views if you want them, it's a hand grinder and something else for value (varia was the winner for most people, but it was still $250 so might as well spend 300 on the varia)
Just one small clarification: even though the DF64 and SD40 share the same brand name (Turin), they were designed and manufactured by two separate companies in China.
To me there's just something satisfying about hand grinding coffee, althoughI can certainly see the advantages of a mechanical grinder especially if you have to pull a lot of shots.
Eureka Mignon Manuella or smiliar grinders belong to Eureka could be a choice i use mignon zero and i am very pleased about it also sptk 38 also cheaper than 300 USD that you showed us
I enjoyed the review, very interesting and informative, but I’d edit out the slurping, once it starts to bother you, it doesn’t go away, it goes from bad to worse through the video.
What would be better for home use. A single dose grinder or a hopper style? And how long can the beans in the hopper stay fresh vs putting them in a vacuum canister?
Being someone who has a fellow ode with the v1.1 burrs, I'm not too bothered by the range, as I usually have some leeway around my preferred grind setting. And in any case I have 4 handgrinders and a Fiorenzato f64 evo for variety
Taurus demoka 0203 m-203 gives you 200w, 700rpm, and 49mm flats around $200 but idk how available it is. My only criticism of it is it's very bare bones and retention can be annoying with the stock chute
oh man, I want to spend $300 just tell me which one to buy. haha. But really, I have an encore grinder and have used it for 5+ years. Recently I realised the finest setting has seemed to get coarser and realised I need a grinder that goes finer for espresso. So I sold espresso machine to buy a better grinder. Now I got 300 to blow on a grinder. Which one should I get?
@@KyleRowsell I would love to support your new “September” initiative, but based on kickstarter, you have tremendous support already. I would be glad to purchase beans/gear as things develop for you. Best! I have the Niche for my espresso needs, and the ODE gen2 for pour over, i will probably get a hand grinder for travel/kicks & giggles
nice! I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the grinders. Even though you recommended many here Ive had my eyes set on a 1zpresso jx pro and ill probably pick one up as soon as its in stock xD
nice video... but if you are going to include the sips, maybe Vol down an bit for those who watch with headphones.... its more than harsh.... and we trust you have tasted the coffee.... thanks
Came across you, because my OXO Barista Brain met an unfortunate end at 8 years. (It got doused with water by accident). We usually just drink drip at home. Usually two 12 cup pots, with the Technivorm Moccamaster (the OXO brewers kept dying on me). The Vario looks beautiful, but I couldn’t deal with that brick, in the coffee corner. I doubt I could talk my wife into hand grinding-she’s not a morning person 😅. I liked the Barista Brain for its scale, and ease of use. But it did have a couple issues. I was going to try the Breville, they make some nice appliances. But after watch a few videos, including yours, I’ve decided against it. Could you suggest some drip (it’s okay if it’s solely drip) coffee grinders that would go well with our situation? I really liked just plugging in the amount, and it came out measured. I’m subscribed, nice video
I use a niche for my espresso maker and a virtuoso for daily French press or aeropress coffee. In the market for a good travel one though. Think I’ll pick up the X Pro when they are back in stock. If I ever want to upgrade my French press / aeropress grinder, which would be a good upgrade. Also, my espresso maker and niche are setup in my basement bar area so it’s not in my kitchen, I haven’t tried it, but I bet it makes a great aeropress grind…
Great video mate! I recently bought the X-Pro and been using daily for both v60 and espresso. It’s a great grinder! Can you let me know which settings did you use for each brew type (v60 and espresso)? Thanks so much
@@KyleRowsell Eight Ounce Coffee out in Cowtown carry a number of their grinders. The K2 is particularly interesting and imo might be comparable with the JX.
From what I understand, Kingrinders are cloned 1Zpresso grinders. Like, literally the same internals from the same factory. Most reviewers I've seen compare them favorably to the 1Z's, but argued that because they were so similarly priced, there was no reason to go with a King over a 1Z. That seems to have changed recently, though, since the K4 and K6, which were comparable to the JX and JX-Pro, are now both under $100 on Amazon US, making them a very attractive value proposition.
I like how the Urbanic looks like a Mini EK43 and also looks like it's got knock off SSP HU burrs well, I guess lots of burrs look like that. Not my favorite look for a grinder (the sewing machine look) but I just think it's amusing looking like a mini Ek43. Interesting it has a auger / feeder in it too, I guess that's kinda needed for that design. The Varia looks nice, very simple / basic but quality look to it. Nice it has Lower RPM, but yeah the downside is the speed. How slow is it exactly? Probably still faster than hand grinding!? :D The Stepless design of the SD40 is basically like the Weber Key or HG2, lol But those grinders adjustments are very very tiny, so basically stepless(ish) not sure how big the jumps are on the SD40. I knew you'd choose the 1zPresso X-Pro for your personal choice. You should mention the ODE isn't really supposed to be used for Espresso, although I know someone who said they've done it for years!
I'm looking to buy a grinder around this price range in the coming weeks, it will be used almost exclusively for filter coffee. How would you say the Varia VS3 compares to the Lagom mini?
Thanks for this great review of budget grinders. Question: I only have a Bialetti moka pot, and V60 brewing systems, at the moment, would that Varia VS3 be good for both, or would you recommend the Baratza Encore ESP instead? Where I live, I don't have all the choices that you have in North America.
What is the cheapest grinder that take the old Ode burr set? I got the new set for free as a kickstarter, I would of like to use the old set as a cold brew set, but don't know if there is a cheap grinder that will accept that set.
Great video Kyle. I have the Eureka Filtro ($200) and have been using it for both espresso and Filter for about 2 years now. However I am thinking about upgrading the burrs to espresso burrs and simply buying another grinder for filter coffee . Reason being, going between grind sizes can cause some waste (like with any grinder) and i think if you can afford to have two grinders that's the ultimate way to go for the best quality overall. Even if it is 2 dedicated budget grinders! One for each purpose. Maybe thats an idea for a future video of yours. Thanks
Enjoyed the video. I am personally on the fence. I've been looking to replace my old Vario and have been leaning towards the Ode. I have been avoiding Conicals because I primarily brew light roasts for filter. Maybe I need to reconsider some of these.
@@KyleRowsell is the new antistatic technology in the Ode 2 really worth it? I'm very happy with my 1Zpresso hand grinder (thanks to your videos) but sometimes an electric grinder would be nice to have.
It seems this review was focused for grinding Coffee for applications other than espresso specific. I have the Sette 270wi and was very interested in what you found, but your review seemed irrelevant. Maybe you needed to state it was for drip or plunger coffee review.
@@KyleRowsell i heard you mentioning this but if the K ultra for instance could perform better than an Ode 2 or other grinder well North of $300, wouldn’t it make it a great value grinder too? Or does it mean you consider the K Ultra only meets expectations set by its price?
I currently have the Baratza Encore, looking to upgrade to the Lagom mini. Could that grinder handle 30g of coffee at a time? That’s my usual brew every morning
I thought the 1zespresso JX was more suitable to espresso. You preferred the x pro for filter in a comparison.of hand held. Did you compare each of these for espresso? Thanks
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When a 'budget grinder' is defined as sub-$300... 😅
@@ropro9817 for an electric grinder? Absolutely it is.
Interesting take on the varia VS3. I checked it out in the eight ounce coffee show room and it grinds slowly. I thought it would be a major drawback in comparison to other electric grinders. Would definitely love to try it out given the chance.
@@ropro9817 were talking real coffee grinders here, they can be thousands of dollars. There are sub $100 grinders but you're not likely going to find anything that can do espresso very well. I know some people think a $20 the spinny blade grinders are all they need but those are more choppers than grinders and give you very inconsistently ground coffee since you have very little control over how many times it gets chopped.
@@ropro9817 How much would a 'budget car' cost? Or a 'budget smartphone'?
At that price point, you should separate out the best grinder for espresso.
I was hoping he would say that at the end
For £300, Mignon Specialita (used on eBay). I would recommend the precision dial which is made by a separate company for about £40
I have the Encore and then bought the JX pro a few months after, the difference in grind quality is night and day! I think it's important to mention though that Baratza really stands behind their products, and encourages you to diagnose and repair them yourself which is a really great and eco friendly business practice. Another thing is that the X-pro is mainly geared for filter brewing where the JX-pro has the fine adjustment to do both filter and espresso. Great summary of everything, I wish this video was out when I was searching for my first grinder! Very helpful for beginners.
Which is night? And which is day? I have the jx pro and currently looking for an electric one because my hands are tired after making two lattes 😅 and im scared of getting bad taste from budget electric grinders
@@selj8287 That's a hard guess, as I thought my JXP was a step up from a blade grinder/hario but not by much so I hope the encore isn't worse lol. I upgraded to the KMax and wish I went with that instead as it was much cleaner (now I'd love to trade it in for the ZP6 I've been told it's another step up in clarity). I went to a P100 right after for an electric grinder but that was a titanic leap in price and cup clarity, I wish I could help with recommendations in between those price points. If I were still trying to stay on budget I probably would have tried grinders like the ode, zerno, barazta vario/forte etc.
@@LastAphelion are you talking about the lagom p100? Damn the price difference from the jxp is definitely titanic 😬 like i could drown in debt😂 the zp6 looks awesome! Those grinders were not available yet when i bought my jxp
@@selj8287 I should have asked first, is it more clarity that you're looking for? Cause now would be the time to buy the ZP6 as they are discontinuing them
@@LastAphelion not really. Im just looking for electric grinder that wont dull the flavors. As im writing that maybe im actually looking for clarity 😂 but not really more
For under $100.00, I had a Krupps burr grinder. I has a flat burr grinder all the settings you would need and with the hopper being down in the machine it is compact enough to take in and out of a cupboard after use. I used it constantly for 12 years before the motor finally gave up the ghost, but that machine was the longest lasting appliance I've ever owned.
I've had the breville for a few years now, paired with the flair neo. Honestly, I make a better cup than most coffee shops. Excited to when I have some money to upgrade, but for now, this setup has been amazing!
I've owned the Breville for a couple of years now and despite its flaws, having a machine that can actually do everything from French press to espresso on a budget is very handy. Definitely punches above its weight in my opinion.
Truth!
I own one as well (as well as a Breville Touch with a similar grinder built in) and I think it does a great job. One thing that may not have been mentioned is that you can also micro-adjust the burrs from 1-10, giving you a much finer control beyond the regular selection wheel. I even use it for Turkish coffee at level 1.
I love that the Baratza Sette 30, for minimal cost, can have the 270 adjustment ring added, making it have the same grinding functionality, minus all the other stuff. Not bad for a tiny grinder :)!!!
Totally agree! If you notice that’s what happening on this sette 30
I also think that most people interested in both espresso and filter would rather have an "espresso-oriented" grinder because of the prices of espresso machines WRT filer setups, so that could be something to consider
@@KyleRowsell lol, nice! Truthfully, I was at work when you're video came out and I was only 2 minutes in and my boss came in. Lol. But I wanted to let others know that this is possible :-). I'm glad that you also had the 270 adjustment ring :-)!
After watching the rest of the video, I am impressed by how wonderful this whole review ended up being :-)! You definitely were objective and laid out situations that would be a little different for different types of people. Impacting which grinder to be recommended :-). Thank you for that :-)!
@@freezingsunbreaka ha love it. My pleasure! All the best
Nice to see the Varia getting more traction. Mine arrived this week and it's been great so far. The build quality is absolutely top notch, and it fits in really well with my Gaggia.
Glad to hear it! And agreed, it’s a little tank.
Yeah just ordered it!
May I ask which Gaggia model you use?
@@sleepygummy7816 The newest Gaggia Classic Pro in matte black. US/NA model.
I have a J-Max and never wanting to buy another grinder because I love it so much 🤠 BUT I can never get enough of these grinder comparisons, so thanks for surprising us with this and putting in the hard work!
Have you had any other grinders in the past? How would you compare the j Max to others if you have tried
lol i feel you. they work so well!! i still kind of want an automatic one, too though. can't help myself. : )
how easy it would be to just pregrind up some filter coffee for a week or two.
Well--finding a new video from Kyle is an unexpected pleasure this afternoon!
I love seeing the SD40 in this video. I just got that as I began entering into coffee a month ago, and it's been a real pleasure. I'm buying a flair 58 next month to go with it. Thank you for all of your advice and content as I get more into coffee!
So happy to hear it. Enjoy my friend!
Currently own the Baratza Encore with the upgraded virtuoso burrs. Recently purchased the 1zpresso JX for travel and essentially stopped using the encore because the JX was noticeably better. After watching this video I ordered the Varia Vs3 from eight ounce coffee, looking forward to testing it out once it arrives!
How are you finding it? Does the Varia beat the JX?
@doctormoobbc I would say the JX and VS3 are quite comparable, actually. In terms of taste, I would place them very closely, with the varia having a slight edge on coarser grounds. I mostly brew aeropress and pour over, and they both do a great job at either. I would say that surprisingly, the JX probably grinds quicker, but I find both plenty fast for my use. I have yet to dip my toes into the espresso world, but I would expect both to do a good job also. In terms of workflow, I'd have to hand it to the vs3 as it's easier to change the grind. The jx grind adjustment is inside the grounds compartment, which isn't a huge deal but an extra step. End of the day, it's really a matter of whether or not you want something portable or not, both are very well built and feel high quality.
Maybe it’s because I’m a newbie but finding an espresso-specific grinder to eliminate variables to pull a good shot seems impossible.
What would be the best espresso specific grinder on a budget? (Under $200 USD)
Did you find one
J-Max. I have one that I just connected to a motorized stand that provides the power. At 87 I guess I failed the strength test required to grind mainly for espresso
If I would search a grinder for both filter and espresso, I would also go for the varia vs3. It seems like the niche killerto me. If I was mainly drinking filter coffee, I would go for a hand grinder. I have to say I’m really happy with my Comandante MK4 though and using a dedicated espresso 64mm flat burr grinder (Ceado E5SD).
I don’t think it’s a niche killer! I don’t think it’s designed to be either. I think it’s a very good grinder though.
Thank you Kyle!!
Been dying for a good video about the VS3. As a lagom mini (happy) owner I really want to see them side by side, but your note about the cup profile says it all.
I think they absolutely nailed it, though it's extremely similar to the mini but it's like they took notes from lagom's first year - the adjustment marks, nicer catch cup and bellows
My pleasure! Thanks for watching
Got the varia for 2 weeks and have been loving it so far!
I have the VS3. No stalling on light roasts and none reported when I researched which is encouraging. They market it as an espresso grinder, with the caveat of 30 mins grinding then 1 hour off. So sort of similar to the lagom mini. Only 1 year warranty which maybe indicates they don't trust the motor long term, time will tell. It's a joy to use though. 40s for 18g espresso dose, which is not too bad, you get used to it and build your workflow around it. I've also found tapping the top works as well as the bellows so I leave mine off most of the time. Makes great coffee, very similar profiles to my k-max.
Glad to hear it!!
I'm watching this a year later and just bought the white label SK40 (Itop 40s) on AliExpress for $165. Being true stepless now with an upgraded burr set seems to make it a no-brainer for an entry level or backup grinder
How about a comparison of the Varia and the Lagom Mini in the near future. You know the Lagom Mini and it would be helpful to see how the two grinders are similar but more importantly how they differ. Thanks for putting out an informative and entertaining channel.
I have the Sette and found what you found: better for espresso since even at coarse settings, the amount of fines muddies filter cups. Since I mainly drink filter, I recently picked up a refurbished (by Fellow) Ode and the Gen2 burrs for less than the Gen1 Ode. A significant boost in cup quality.
Glad to hear this resonates! All the best
Hey Kyle! Great videos and I really appreciate the service that you provide all of us.
However,I wanted to take a few minutes to help you understand that an electric motor’s “power” is not the important feature of an electric grinder. Ultimately it is Torque (T) that is key, which is also a function of RPM. The formula to calculate this is T = 5250 x HP / RPM, with the resulting units in lb-ft. So, for the 6 grinders in this video:
Urbanic 080 - 250W at an assumed 1700rpm = 1.03
Breville Smart Grinder Pro - 165W at 450rpm = 2.58
Baratza Encore - 120W at 550rpm = 1.54
Varia VS3 - 100W at 165rpm = 4.27
Baratza Sette 270 - 200W at 450rpm = 3.13
Turin SD40 - 180W at 750rpm = 1.69
Of course, the size of the burrs will impact how that torque is put to use, but based on the above results, the Varia is significantly better than the rest and your possible concerns about that low “power” is likely erroneous. Needless to say, I am quit eager to see how the Varia handles the lighter roasts at an espresso setting!
I hope this helps…
That’s all good in theory. But the varia takes nearly a minute to grind for espresso. Do that 3-5 times a day for the average user and you have significant more use than a niche or sette at 12-15 seconds to grind. There are more variables than you’re listing.
Also, I didn’t say it’s not a good espresso grinder. I’m just cautioning that we’re not confident in its long term reliability at this time. And the option o lagom mini had similar claims to the vs3 but after my review there were many claiming stalled motors and even others with burnt out motors.
So to your point… sure, in theory. But I don’t want it on my conscious to advise people to purchase this as an espresso daily driver.. yet.
@@KyleRowsell Thanks for the quick reply! Just to be clear, I am a motor and motor control expert, so it bothers me when people focus on "power". Not critical of you at all, I just saw an opportunity to educate you on the science behind motor selection. I suspect the Varia engineers had low RPM as one of their key attributes and optimized accordingly. I am definitely looking forward to your complete review on the Varia! 😁
I was using a SGP for pour over. Pros: 5+ years with mine with zero issues. I grind on the finer end of medium and got some great high notes. It was very customizable with the adjustable burr. The cons: It easily retained 1-2 grams. The grinds were inconsistent, especially if you go coarse. Lacked clarity.
After a few other conical grinders, I decided to go with a flat burr grinder for my pour over and was considering the Ode with upgraded burrs but chose against it. Customer service is unquestionably good but... between us, I just didn't trust them past the warranty. Too new of a grinder co for me. So I eventually went with a gently used Forte BG for less than the Ode+upgrades and haven't looked back.
Right on! The forte is a wonderful grinder!
No Eureka Mignons? I've gotta say, my Mignon Filtro (with espresso burrs) is unstoppable at roughly $200, or the Chrono for $250. Built like a tank, great even grind, flat burrs, great design, and easily upgraded to a single dose/zero retention/bellows hopper via Etsy. Always surprised when a company like Urbanic is represented and Eureka isn't (not to disparage Urbanic, I've just seen a lot of vids with their paint chipping or dubious burr alignment). Love the content! Thanks!
I own the Eureka Filtro also! I use it for both espresso and filter coffee and it's great. However I am thinking about upgrading tthe burrs to the espresso burrs and then maybe getting another grinder just for filter. Would be great to have @kyleRowsell opinion on this also. Think he might be doing a future video on the Eurekas.
@@duffyrides My filtro handles espresso and filter equally well. The only struggle is that I grind espresso between 1 and 2 on the nob, and for filter/pourover I do 2 full counterclockwise rotations and land on 3, so i always know which I'm dialed in for: If it's at 1.5ish, I'm set for espresso, if it says 3 I'd set up for filter. Less guess work. Happy brewing!
Great video. I still love watching your comparisons and reviews despite not being in the market for a new grinder at the moment. Currently with a niche and 1z k max
Thanks for watching!
I know many people (including myself) are wondering how the VS3 compares to the DF64 in terms of body and clarity for espresso.
Dark roast espresso is perfect from my Varia, don't mind the slow grind, can grind without waking the household in the mornings. As close to zero retention as you can wish for. RDT with the included spray bottle means very minimal retention . I use this with my Breville Barrista Pro.
Have you done any filter coffee with it? Also how do you like the lighter roast with it for espresso or filter?
Picked up the Ode gen 2 for less than $250. Can’t wait to try. Upgrading from an Encore with M2 burrs. Also picked up a Q2 based on your recommendation for travel with an aeropress. Very impressed with that combo for what it is. Thanks for all the great content!
How do you like the ode vs encore?
@@Kwijiboi Love it! Upgraded to the SSP MP burrs. The gen 2 burrs are great but was chasing more clarity. Best grinder for the money unless you were able to get the Timemore Sculptor 078 for the kickstarter price.
I'm kind of ignorant on it. Would ode gen 1 with gen 2 burrs be as good, or does the 2nd gen machine offer other benefits as well?
@@Kwijiboi Ode gen 2 has the gen 2 burrs (duh), better tolerances, ion generator to reduce static and retention, and a larger/more sloped hopper for less feeding stalls and greater capacity for batch brew. A gen 1 ode with gen 2 burrs is 90% the same otherwise. Better UX, but that’s personal preference whether it’s worth it or not. The gen 2 burrs are more forgiving and give a more balanced cup vs the SSP MP, but less clarity
Been using the Ode Gen 2 for 6 weeks now. Darker (oilier beans).need help down the hopper. 25g + the motor occasionally stops when it shouldn't. Motor sounds and feels like it's underpowered but once finished, grind is consistent. Still trying to evaluate...🤔. Very informative video...nice. Thank you.👍
The Eureka Mignon Crono at $249 would have been cool to see. 50mm flat burrs and stepless adjustment. Great video though!
I Didn’t forget about it. It’ll be featured in the future
@@KyleRowsell awesome! Looking forward to it.
Great video! I'd love to see a comparison like this of grinders in the next price bracket up (DF64, Ode 2, etc) for those of us looking to upgrade from our first grinder.
I currently have a Virtuoso+ at home and a JX for travel, and would love to get some more clarity and sweetness out of my pour-overs.
Already in the works
Sage smart grinder pro: For espresso I dial down to 7 for a Sage Duo Temp Pro. It is almost automatic as both can be mostly left unattended. Sometimes it does not stop and the timer countdown resets to the dialled in settings and does not stop. Sometimes the button or the portafilter button does not work. When this happens you have to unplug it. It might be fixable but happens so rarely, over the past 5 years, that I have not bothered to enquire.
Espresso has more sweetness than filter. The retention is too high but is easy to take of the hopper and brush the partially ground coffee down for the last gram between changing the beans.
I bought a hopper replacement and bellows from Etsy and my retention is almost zero.
Mine had the same problem with the start buttons not working and the timer changing by itself. Eventually it stopped working altogether. A shame as the hardware is all in great shape.
We need that Varia review with the different burr sets
I want to test them all!
Right now in my country you can buy Fellow Ode 1.1 for 205$, I thinking about this - adding burrs 2.0 for 80$ and its still below 300$ - yes, old model but its more then enough for me
Great option!
I’ve been waiting for a video on the Varia. I think it’s a goer for me. I only make one espresso a day and maybe occasionally make some for friends, it’ll be perfect for me for my morning v60 and arvo espresso! I think… thanks Kyle!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
@@KyleRowsell would you consider occasional espresso as one a day? I’d essentially be turning my C40 and breville SGP into the Varia
I have watched dozens of grinder videos, and just end up more confused about the "right one for me". Question, I'm a French press person first and foremost. I hand grind and have long enough! Which grinder would be best if I primarily brew French press but occasionally brew pour over. I've not ventured into espresso, but might in the future. Thanks for the input.
Hey Kyle. Fantastic video as usual. Could you do a comparison between the Varia and Lagom Mini? Cheers!
Very possible
LMAO Kyle reacting to the Varia's slow rpm got me dead 💀
Patience is not one of my best attributes
The new Kitchenaid burr grinder is well under $300 and is very very good.
Nice!
I’ve had the gears completely strip out in the Breville SGP 2x. They gave me store credit for a smart oven and I bought a Vario. Just my 2 cents!
1ZPresso ftw! 😁 The value you get from grinding by hand is unreal, and I couldn't recommend them enough if someone is physically able to do so.
I got a K-Max recently, rather than spending another $100 on the Ode 2.0, and I don't regret my choice at all! Buttery smooth to grind with, very quick, and it makes incredible tasting coffee. I've been burning through a bag of Kenyan coffee because it tastes like pure pomegranate juice through that grinder haha!
Bought the MHW-3Bomber equivalent of the Turin / Solo 38 at US$200 since I'm next to China, the X-Pro could be had for US$120 too but I've moved on from hand grinding. I had either choice so there was alot of value for money other than the fact that the Bomber isn't stepless and the usable espresso range is at 0-3 for me, might be that the Turin branded ones are tuned to have a better espresso range but nevertheless a fun little grinder to compliment my DF83.
I have a gen 1 ode with stock burrs. No regrets but i will be upgrading to the Gen 2 ode. Would love a video comparing the burr options.
so, which one is best for espresso-focused grinding? or did I miss it?
I appreciate how thoughtful your video content is and how well organized the jump links are as well. You deserve the subscribe and I'd be happy to use your affiliate links bc you have clearly provided valuable insights. Thank you!
Thanks for this. It's from 6 months ago so you probably know now, but the people who support you through patreon are your patrons
Well done. I just released a video comparing the Encore to the SGP, but your breakdowns of those and others in the price range really shine a light on more options and what people should be considering. Thanks for putting this out there!
What a great informative video. Thanks.
Now we want a video of grinders under $500!
It’s coming. Slightly higher than 500 though!
@@KyleRowsell Which will actually give us more options. Thank you for your reply!
Currently using an Eureka Mignon Specialita for espresso and a Commandante for filter.
Re the Breville Pro. Do you know you can pull the Burrs out, then remove the metal handle thing, then you can rotate the black plastic outer, and change the 'base' setting', then replace it, thus giving nearly an infinite number of grind notches. (60 x many more) Mine plastic ring came set to a default setting of 6. Change it to 1 and you'll get a much finer grind
Kyle. How about sharing your girinder settings for pourover, espresso etc. - makes a good baseline for the rest of us in dialing in. AND HEY.. the SGP has an adjustable top burr - you forgot that. That changes the 60 steps to almost 600 when you include the 10 steps in that top burr.
So which one of these is the best espresso centred grinder? Im currently using the SGP and am looking for a bit of an upgrade but cant afford the Niche. Should I rather just save more for the NIche?
Hi Kyle. Now that the Encore is out with their ingenious but simple solution incorporating/ 20 espresso adjustments out of 40 total adjustments…QUESTION IS, does this make the ESP competitive and a best value in this new space for it?😊😊😊
First time buyer, wanting the best cappuccino & latte grinder for my Breville dual boiler. I'm hearing that some grinder don't grind a very fine grind
Varia vs3, $299, you're welcome. There were two other picks also, can give him ad views if you want them, it's a hand grinder and something else for value (varia was the winner for most people, but it was still $250 so might as well spend 300 on the varia)
Just one small clarification: even though the DF64 and SD40 share the same brand name (Turin), they were designed and manufactured by two separate companies in China.
Fair enough. That’s not uncommon within manufacturing.
To me there's just something satisfying about hand grinding coffee, althoughI can certainly see the advantages of a mechanical grinder especially if you have to pull a lot of shots.
Dialing in new coffee is annoying as hell with a hand grinder
Eureka Mignon Manuella or smiliar grinders belong to Eureka could be a choice i use mignon zero and i am very pleased about it also sptk 38 also cheaper than 300 USD that you showed us
❤ the breadth of this comparison
I enjoyed the review, very interesting and informative, but I’d edit out the slurping, once it starts to bother you, it doesn’t go away, it goes from bad to worse through the video.
Welcome to coffee UA-cam. 😊
Great review! Have been looking for review for Varia VS3 but not many out there. Thanks for the suggestion.
More videos on the vs3 soon
What would you suggest for someone primarily doing cold brew and French press?
What would be better for home use. A single dose grinder or a hopper style? And how long can the beans in the hopper stay fresh vs putting them in a vacuum canister?
Being someone who has a fellow ode with the v1.1 burrs, I'm not too bothered by the range, as I usually have some leeway around my preferred grind setting. And in any case I have 4 handgrinders and a Fiorenzato f64 evo for variety
Glad to hear it!
Taurus demoka 0203 m-203 gives you 200w, 700rpm, and 49mm flats around $200 but idk how available it is. My only criticism of it is it's very bare bones and retention can be annoying with the stock chute
Great video Kyle! Would love to see a comparison video of Lagom Mini vs Ode Gen 2 vs Ode Gen 2 SSP Burrs
I’ll consider it!
oh man, I want to spend $300 just tell me which one to buy. haha. But really, I have an encore grinder and have used it for 5+ years. Recently I realised the finest setting has seemed to get coarser and realised I need a grinder that goes finer for espresso. So I sold espresso machine to buy a better grinder. Now I got 300 to blow on a grinder. Which one should I get?
Thank you. I didn’t see the KitchenAid grinder!
I have a Niche, so this isn't really for me, that being said, I'm really eyeing that X-Pro...
It’s pretty nice!!
Kyle, thank you for including hand grinders in this review!!
My pleasure!
@@KyleRowsell I would love to support your new “September” initiative, but based on kickstarter, you have tremendous support already. I would be glad to purchase beans/gear as things develop for you. Best! I have the Niche for my espresso needs, and the ODE gen2 for pour over, i will probably get a hand grinder for travel/kicks & giggles
nice! I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the grinders. Even though you recommended many here Ive had my eyes set on a 1zpresso jx pro and ill probably pick one up as soon as its in stock xD
nice video... but if you are going to include the sips, maybe Vol down an bit for those who watch with headphones.... its more than harsh.... and we trust you have tasted the coffee.... thanks
Came across you, because my OXO Barista Brain met an unfortunate end at 8 years. (It got doused with water by accident).
We usually just drink drip at home. Usually two 12 cup pots, with the Technivorm Moccamaster (the OXO brewers kept dying on me). The Vario looks beautiful, but I couldn’t deal with that brick, in the coffee corner. I doubt I could talk my wife into hand grinding-she’s not a morning person 😅. I liked the Barista Brain for its scale, and ease of use. But it did have a couple issues.
I was going to try the Breville, they make some nice appliances. But after watch a few videos, including yours, I’ve decided against it. Could you suggest some drip (it’s okay if it’s solely drip) coffee grinders that would go well with our situation? I really liked just plugging in the amount, and it came out measured.
I’m subscribed, nice video
I'd like to see a review of the Kitchenaid flat burr grinder. Interesting that it grinds at 450 rpm. I wonder if it makes good espresso.
Great video. I just got the sd40 and have been having trouble dialing in. Good to know its not the grinder
Thanks for watching!
loving my Xpro , thanks for the recommendation
My pleasure!
I use a niche for my espresso maker and a virtuoso for daily French press or aeropress coffee. In the market for a good travel one though. Think I’ll pick up the X Pro when they are back in stock. If I ever want to upgrade my French press / aeropress grinder, which would be a good upgrade. Also, my espresso maker and niche are setup in my basement bar area so it’s not in my kitchen, I haven’t tried it, but I bet it makes a great aeropress grind…
I really like the Timemore Walnut for a hand grinder!
Great video mate! I recently bought the X-Pro and been using daily for both v60 and espresso. It’s a great grinder! Can you let me know which settings did you use for each brew type (v60 and espresso)? Thanks so much
Depends on the coffee! But I’m between 2-2.5 most often for a 20g v60
Finally, THE Video is here 🙌🙌
Alert the people!
Thanks for the video, I assume these are for home use?
i wish you did a best espresso first grinder in the top picks
Really would love your take on KINGrinders. They seem to be pretty good for their price point, but not many people look at them outside of Asia.
If I can get my hands on some I absolutely will!
@@KyleRowsell Eight Ounce Coffee out in Cowtown carry a number of their grinders. The K2 is particularly interesting and imo might be comparable with the JX.
From what I understand, Kingrinders are cloned 1Zpresso grinders. Like, literally the same internals from the same factory. Most reviewers I've seen compare them favorably to the 1Z's, but argued that because they were so similarly priced, there was no reason to go with a King over a 1Z. That seems to have changed recently, though, since the K4 and K6, which were comparable to the JX and JX-Pro, are now both under $100 on Amazon US, making them a very attractive value proposition.
I only care for expresso, the hand grinder wont do a good job for it???? Cause the eletric one you mentioned is really loud. Thanks
I bought the x pro and have used a couple times with good results but now I see the ode 1 on Amazon for 159. Ahhhhh should I return and get the ode ?
I like how the Urbanic looks like a Mini EK43 and also looks like it's got knock off SSP HU burrs well, I guess lots of burrs look like that. Not my favorite look for a grinder (the sewing machine look) but I just think it's amusing looking like a mini Ek43. Interesting it has a auger / feeder in it too, I guess that's kinda needed for that design.
The Varia looks nice, very simple / basic but quality look to it. Nice it has Lower RPM, but yeah the downside is the speed. How slow is it exactly? Probably still faster than hand grinding!? :D
The Stepless design of the SD40 is basically like the Weber Key or HG2, lol But those grinders adjustments are very very tiny, so basically stepless(ish) not sure how big the jumps are on the SD40.
I knew you'd choose the 1zPresso X-Pro for your personal choice.
You should mention the ODE isn't really supposed to be used for Espresso, although I know someone who said they've done it for years!
Thanks for the comment Ben! As always! Yeah I enjoy the x pro. But if the Gen 2 ode was there I’d likely pick that.
Kinda frustrating how everything is always sold out. Encore ESP should be out soon. We'll see what that's priced at.....
I'm looking to buy a grinder around this price range in the coming weeks, it will be used almost exclusively for filter coffee. How would you say the Varia VS3 compares to the Lagom mini?
Will be dropping a video soon to answer this!
Thanks for this great review of budget grinders. Question: I only have a Bialetti moka pot, and V60 brewing systems, at the moment, would that Varia VS3 be good for both, or would you recommend the Baratza Encore ESP instead? Where I live, I don't have all the choices that you have in North America.
What is the cheapest grinder that take the old Ode burr set? I got the new set for free as a kickstarter, I would of like to use the old set as a cold brew set, but don't know if there is a cheap grinder that will accept that set.
What’s the best one for COLD BREW?
Great video Kyle. I have the Eureka Filtro ($200) and have been using it for both espresso and Filter for about 2 years now. However I am thinking about upgrading the burrs to espresso burrs and simply buying another grinder for filter coffee . Reason being, going between grind sizes can cause some waste (like with any grinder) and i think if you can afford to have two grinders that's the ultimate way to go for the best quality overall. Even if it is 2 dedicated budget grinders! One for each purpose. Maybe thats an idea for a future video of yours. Thanks
The filtro and crono seem very competitive at this price point yet doesn't seem to get the traction
I assume Wilfa Uniform was not included because of availability? Unfortunately much of the coffee gear is localized which limits the choice greatly.
Yeah that’s correct
Enjoyed the video. I am personally on the fence. I've been looking to replace my old Vario and have been leaning towards the Ode. I have been avoiding Conicals because I primarily brew light roasts for filter. Maybe I need to reconsider some of these.
Ode Gen 2 is unreal. Highly recommend
@@KyleRowsell is the new antistatic technology in the Ode 2 really worth it? I'm very happy with my 1Zpresso hand grinder (thanks to your videos) but sometimes an electric grinder would be nice to have.
Would still love for you to do a Varia review man! Really considering buying it but a little worried about the motor longevity.
The next video will make you happy then
It seems this review was focused for grinding Coffee for applications other than espresso specific. I have the Sette 270wi and was very interested in what you found, but your review seemed irrelevant. Maybe you needed to state it was for drip or plunger coffee review.
Thanks for taking the time to make such comparison video. I am just a bit confused. Why not considering the 1zpresso K Ultra at $289?
Because I think that the x-pro is better value.
@@KyleRowsell i heard you mentioning this but if the K ultra for instance could perform better than an Ode 2 or other grinder well North of $300, wouldn’t it make it a great value grinder too? Or does it mean you consider the K Ultra only meets expectations set by its price?
Still no OXO. 😔 My experience is it holds its with the baratza but much much cheaper.
I currently have the Baratza Encore, looking to upgrade to the Lagom mini. Could that grinder handle 30g of coffee at a time? That’s my usual brew every morning
Yes it will. It's a great little grinder.
So... what's the best hand and electric grinder for filter? =)
I thought the 1zespresso JX was more suitable to espresso. You preferred the x pro for filter in a comparison.of hand held. Did you compare each of these for espresso? Thanks
The eureka Chronos can be had for $275 surprised it is not on this list.
Interested in your thoughts 💭 on a Sette with the Brew burr and the new Etzinger diamond burr coming out. Could be a fun comparison
That would be fun! I’ll consider it!
if you know this machine can grind coffee to make turkish or greek coffee? means to grind coffee into the finest powder